The talk of fluency has just given me another thought (second one this year!!!!) I've just been told by my boss that I will be responsible for level testing...
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kellogg
lifang67
Apr 8, 2002 7:06 am
On Saturday, our testing colloquium (yes, one of my many private vices is belonging to a think tank on testing) heard a commercial presentation, on behalf of...
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Apr 8, 2002 7:22 am
Dear DK, For years I was 'in charge' of testing at my college (God, how I hated it). From experience Asian students have great problems passing UCLES exams, ...
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Thomas Topham
tom_topham
Apr 8, 2002 8:04 am
<quote> Viewed from outside the United States, and from outside Europe, tests like TOEFL/TOEIC/TEPS/IELTS are designed to restrict social mobility and not ...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Apr 8, 2002 8:17 am
Reference was made in a recent posting to the importance of differing cultural perceptions - of learning, for example. There is a fascinating Ph.D thesis...
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scott_thornbury
Apr 8, 2002 12:29 pm
Martin has kindly let me re-post this message (originally posted on TT ED SIG site): Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:14:14 +0000 From: Martin Eayrs...
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Apr 8, 2002 4:04 pm
Tom said: I think that universities want foriegn students to take English tests because it is not really feasible to study at an English uni if you aren't...
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James Farmer
jamesnfarmer
Apr 8, 2002 11:06 pm
You'll find the dissertation at: http://my.glasscity.net/~xiong/tic/li.html Cheers, James ... Reference was made in a recent posting to the importance of...
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lifang67
Apr 9, 2002 12:02 am
Tom (T): Let's follow your line of argument and assume that people in the business of selling language tests can be taken at their word. What is their word? ...
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diarmuid_fogarty
diarmuid_fog...
Apr 9, 2002 5:49 am
Anyone else experiencing problems with messages from the list? I'm not getting about 50% of what's being posted. My natural inclination towards conspiracy...
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William Green
willgreen66
Apr 9, 2002 7:29 am
Here's the URL for the PhD that Dennis mentioned: http://my.glasscity.net/~xiong/tic/li.html Cheers Will...
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scott_thornbury
Apr 9, 2002 7:36 am
Not sure why that should be, Diarmuid. Now that you're back on-line, though, what news can you relay from IATEFL? Did any of you dogme- tists meet? Was there...
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Diarmuid
diarmuid_fog...
Apr 9, 2002 6:12 pm
Scott asks: what news can you relay from IATEFL? Did any of you dogme- tists meet? Was there any polite heckling or subversive muttering? Has the global...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Apr 10, 2002 12:42 am
(belated - found I never sent this from before Easter!) dk, as always, your postings are inspirational. and I'm sure to go off on too many tangents, but here...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Apr 10, 2002 12:43 am
seems I'm not the only one who's been having a well-earned break?! (hope I'm not, anyway) I think it was Scott who wrote in passing some time back something...
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scott_thornbury
Apr 10, 2002 7:47 am
For those of you who may have found chunks of Sue's last two postings lopped off in your emails, you can appreciate their full glory on the dogme site...
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Apr 10, 2002 2:14 pm
Sue writes ... 1/ We have roll-on, roll-off and I was asked the same question. Well, why not have a brief discussion with the student in question and then let...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Apr 10, 2002 10:29 pm
Dr Evil, I agree with what you say (and here too we've been using names and avoiding numbers for classes for several years, but the 'level 1/2/3' etc thing...
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Brian Perkins
perkinsfam
Apr 10, 2002 10:41 pm
Ok, here I go again displaying my naïvety/stupidity... So, what DO you do if you stand before a group of adults who speak a language you can't even name and...
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Tom Topham
tom_topham
Apr 11, 2002 4:33 am
I was at a school where we had the the perfect syllabus and the perfect coursebook.... Unfortunately, the wrong bloody students showed up! ...
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Thomas Topham
tom_topham
Apr 11, 2002 6:26 am
1/ We have roll-on, roll-off and I was asked the same question. Dr Evil, does this mean continuous enrollment? Join as you please, leave when you don't want...
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Tom Walton
tomdoliveira
Apr 11, 2002 8:24 am
Hi. Grumpy Tom says, referring to new people (temporarily?) joining a group, that "a constant flow in and out in my experience really buggers team building,...
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Thomas Topham
tom_topham
Apr 11, 2002 10:52 am
YOU SAY: But surely it creates a classic dogme moment. A (genuine) information gap that requires NO PHOTOCOPIES!!!! The Other Tom (aka PC Smasher - PC as in...
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sthornbury@...
scott_thornbury
Apr 11, 2002 1:06 pm
To return to an earlier theme: I checked out the dissertation on Chinese students' attitudes, mentioned in a recent posting. It's called Perceptions of the...
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Bob Gettings
getchan
Apr 11, 2002 1:42 pm
Not knowing anything about China but as a foreign teacher in Japan... There are some places in Japan where dogme just wouldn't work I think. One might be a...
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fshdt
Apr 11, 2002 3:07 pm
Will Dogme go down well in China? I don't want to sound too pessimistic but I guess Scott will be listened to and his message consigned, by some in the...
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lifang67
Apr 12, 2002 1:02 am
Actually, I think Scott (who I assume has yet to set foot in China) reads the situation better than anyone in disposing of the "culture is learning destiny"...
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kellogg
lifang67
Apr 13, 2002 5:06 am
This is not completely irrelevant to what we've been saying about culture, but it's a bit of a tangent. (Sue's not the only kangaroo...!) I'm now listening to...
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Marjorie Wehr
marjifw
Apr 13, 2002 9:08 am
... Yes, I have and it always reminds me of when I was in Treviso, Italy (near Venice)with my son. He had what turned out to be acute appendicitis. It was ...
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scott_thornbury
Apr 13, 2002 3:58 pm
... can ... Thanks (DK, Dick and co) for helping settle my doubts re China - I'm definitely going to go - the occasion is the "1st TEFL International ...
