I think most of the "results" to my original post on this topic are now in, so I thought I'd give a summary. The term is really open to a number of different interpretations. The most popular response was (b); Items (a) and (c) were chosen more infrequently, but each an equal number of times. Several people interjected ideas that I hadn't previously considered. Item (c) was worded improperly - we all, of course, have 4 grandparents. I apologize for that and, hopefully, my error didn't skew the results too much.
Option (a) was a definition used by Stats Canada in a recent Ethnic Diversity Survey. It's kind of tricky, but it's major difference is that it considers the immigrant to constitute the "first-generation." My initial reaction was that I defined "third-generation" differently than
they did and that this would affect how I interpreted the reports based on study of the EDS. This poll, along with discussions on the Rootsweb message boards and elsewhere on the web about "Who's on First?" show that there is a considerable split of opinion on the issue and that there really is no definitive understanding of the term - although we all tend to use it (perhaps somewhat casually).
If anyone wants to keep the discussion going, I won't mind in the least ;0)
Thank you all for responding.
Joyce
"J. Metcalfe" <roots938@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am working on a term paper for university and need a consensus on the specific genealogical
definition of "third-generation" when it is used, for example, to say "I am third-generation _________" (e.g. Canadian, English, French, Ukrainian, etc.).
Does it mean that:
a) both of a person's parents were born in the reference country, or
b) at least one parent and one grandparent were born in the reference country, or
c) both grandparents were born in the reference country, or
d) something else entirely (please elaborate).
I would like to get as many responses as possible, since individual impressions of what the term means are as important to my paper discussion as the formal definition (which I also haven't been able to find in the dictionary - only something about computer technology - go figure ;0)
The next monthly meeting of AFHS will take place on Monday,
February 5, 2007 at First Christian Reformed Church (3818 14A St SW).
For the Basics Session at 6:30 pm, Marion Peterson will
suggest resources available when researching old medical terms and epidemics.
The general meeting will be held at 7:00 pm., followed by a
time for refreshments and visiting. Once again, our Education Committee will be
available to answer your questions at their “Ask Me I Might Know” table.
For the Main Session at 8:00 pm, Diana Mansell and Jill
McWilliams will present a history of nursing.
I followed the links and read these articles. They were very interesting and thought provoking. Managing my computer files and the various internet favourites that include logins and passwords (many websites require registration, not just to sell stuff) takes a lot of my time. If the "bus" hit me, I can imagine that someone would have quite a time getting my on-going e-mail (in my webmail box at Shaw) and cancelling the various e-mail lists that I'm on, and cancelling web site connections. And that's not even counting the computer work needed to preserve my genealogy files!
This is a HUGE topic - which includes what to do with my genealogy that's on the computer in various forms (in Legacy, Word documents, PDFs, and images). Where does this info go to? Should I designate someone to go through it, print it, put in on DVDs? Anyways, you see the big questions here.
I think that this would be a great topic to expand to an article in the Chinook, a speaker (panel?) at an AFHS meeting, a "blog", a speaker (panel?) for a special Saturday or Sunday meeting, a topic at the next FamilyRoots Conference, ongoing e-mail subject on dist-gen, or all-of-the-above.
Since I sometimes lose e-mail links, I created a Word document from the information at the links that Charlie sent us. If you would like me to send you a copy, just e-mail me at lornalaughton@... off list.
Rather than attend the meeting tonight, I am spending the time doing the final draft of the April issue so it can be out before the April meeting. My workday is very hectic with many projects, so at this time I cannot afford the time to attend the meeting. I hope you will fill me in on details necessary or of interest for the next Chinook or for the SIGs I coordinate.
I am happy to report that I already have several stories as well as one column for the July Chinook. This is great because I will be taking vacation in May and, even though May 1st is the deadline for submissions, I would love a headstart for the July issue. Another important date to consider for submissions is that for the October issue as many of you may be taking vacation in August, and August 1 is the deadline for submissions for October.
So it would be great if you could plan ahead of the deadlines for these two issues. Then we can go on vacation, guilt-free (at least as far as the Chinook is concerned)!
Since I will not be at my booth at the meeting, regarding AGE business: for those who are waiting for books, please email me directly to arrange a pickup or delivery. For research or other clients: please contact me via email or phone as noted below.
Computer SIG Meeting
10 Mar 07
Scout
Room of the LDS Calgary Family Centre
17 Ave.
& 19A St. SW
Beginner
Session @ 9:30 AM
Main
Session 10:30 AM
Topic:
"Googling"
Speaker:
Panel
Please
use east entrance of 19A St.
For more
info contact Gord Hulbert @ 669-8384
or
email Gordon@...
For those of you who heard Peggy speak at our March 5th meeting, she will appear on TV with her fascinating genealogy story on W-5 (CTV, Channel 3), Saturday, March 24th 7:00 - 8:00 P.M. It will also be re-run on Sunday, March 25th at 1:00 P.M., same station. Originally this show was to air this Saturday, March 17th.
Earlier this year Peggy was interviewed in her home by Victor Malarek, Senior Reporter with W-5 regarding the discovery of a partially decomposed woman's body down a well in Saskatoon. Could this be Peggy's grandmother who mysteriously went missing 100 years ago? Be sure to tune-in!
If you know of others who might like to see this show and do not belong to distgen, please pass along this message.
Next Tuesday (March 20th) the English/Welsh SIG meets at the AFHS library from 7 p.m. for annother in the series Family History for Busy People and there will be information and material available for the Midlands & Wales (i e. Cambridgeshire, Cheshire, Derbyshire, Herefordshire, Huntingdonshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Monmouthshire, Norfolk, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire, Rutland, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Suffolk, Warwickshire, Worcestershire & the Welsh counties).
Some specific material to supplement the holdings of the library will be:
Wales:
· Index to Welsh wills proved at Chester
·The Tithe War (North Wales)
·Clwyd FHS journals & publications list
Northamptsonshire:
·The Northamptonshire Landscape
·Bygone Northamptonshire
·Tales of Old Northamptonshire
·Like Dew Before the Sun (Life and Language in Northamptonshire)
·The Shepherd's Calendar by the Northants poet John Clare
·Tracing Ancestors in Northamptonshire
Suffolk:
·Blaxhall – stories of its inhabitants Ask the Fellows who Cut the Hay by G.E. Evans
Plus: Arthur Mee's "The King's England": Bedfordshire & Huntingdonshire; Leicestershire & Rutland; Northamptonshire; Nottinghamshire; Staffordshire and various maps including one for North Wales using Welsh place names.
Computers, fiche readers and expertise will be available to help in the ancestor hunt.
Everyone welcome - as is additional material relating to the area.
Congratulations Peggy! I caught the story in the media but not that it was you. This is exciting. I would love to have you do an article for the Chinook on this fascinating story. Did you get the DNA results yet?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-dist-gen@... [mailto:owner-dist-gen@...]On Behalf Of Lois Nicholson Sent: March 16, 2007 3:52 PM To: dist-gen Subject: Peggy Franko's Brag
Hello All:
For those of you who heard Peggy speak at our March 5th meeting, she will appear on TV with her fascinating genealogy story on W-5 (CTV, Channel 3), Saturday, March 24th 7:00 - 8:00 P.M. It will also be re-run on Sunday, March 25th at 1:00 P.M., same station. Originally this show was to air this Saturday, March 17th.
Earlier this year Peggy was interviewed in her home by Victor Malarek, Senior Reporter with W-5 regarding the discovery of a partially decomposed woman's body down a well in Saskatoon. Could this be Peggy's grandmother who mysteriously went missing 100 years ago? Be sure to tune-in!
If you know of others who might like to see this show and do not belong to distgen, please pass along this message.
I imagine there were many people who did not understand the
question as it was worded,
and now realize they would rather have answered "yes" to allow
access after
92 years.
Is there any recourse that can be taken to challenge how it was
conducted/worded?
What if people were able to individually go in and change their
answer now,
especially if they were publicly made aware of what really
happened and the
consequences of it. (A large number of people doing this would
certainly
have some effect on it).
Census records has always been a main starting point for
genealogy research,
and without that we are at a huge loss. It will be even more
difficult to
research in the future with different lifestyle patterns being
prevalent.
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/reference/info/change.cfm
This site allows you to change your response to the opt out
clause in the 2006 census. If you want future generations to be
able to find you on the census you can know change your answer.
Carol Lylyk
ANNOUNCEMENT
The Alberta Family Histories Society is pleased to announce that the
winner of the Brian W. Hutchison Genealogical Scholarship for 2006 is:
Ms Catherine Whiteley
of Qualicum Beach BC.
To qualify for the award Ms Whitely submitted a genealogy entitled
"Four generations of descendants of James Davidson of County Down,
Ireland" and an essay entitled "Using Census Data to Fill in the Picture".
The Brian W. Hutchison Genealogical Scholarship was created in 2003
by a generous gift from Calgary born Brian Hutchison, founder and
principal of Gen-Find Research Associates Inc and a past member of
the AFHS Board.
It is Mr Hutchison's wish to encourage Canadians to pursue formal
study of genealogical analysis, research, evaluation and
documentation methodologies and standards.
The Scholarship is awarded annually and pays up to $500 for tuition
fees and books, for the recipient to study the field of genealogy and
family history in a recognized educational or accreditation
program. Details of the requirements can be fond at:
http://www.afhs.ab.ca/scholarship/
Congratulations Catherine.
George Lake, Secretary
Brian W. Hutchison Genealogy Scholarship Committee
Calgary Canada
email: scholarship@...
Website: www.afhs.ab.ca/scholarship
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Tara forwarded a message to dist-gen regarding a Ukraine Tour in June 2007. If that is a little too soon for you or if the tour below is more appealing, I am forwarding a message from another group with a Ukraine Tour in September 2007. See below:
-----Original Message----- From: Lloyd & Gwen Mann [mailto:lgmann@...] Sent: March 21, 2007 2:07 PM To: Xenia Stanford Subject: Ukraine Tour 3 weeks Sept 4-25, 07
Ukraine Tour Sept 4, 2007 - Sept 25, 2007
You are invited to join this specially planned trip to the Ukraine.In 2005, Jennie and some friends and relatives traveled to the Ukraine.They had such a wonderful time that they decided to go again.With the help of their tour guide, Victor, a History graduate from University and a Ukrainian travel company, they have planned a most exciting and thorough tour.This is a limited group that is planned for people to enjoy the beauty of this country, explore their roots and visit the land of their ancestors.Only the best food and hotel service has been chosen.Each city is supplying their own tour guide to ride with the bus and explain the sights and history. With the limited number, there is room on the bus to be comfortable.
(Preliminary information, subject to change.)
Be welcome in the land of your ancestors. Experience the cradle of Ukrainian Civilization. Immerse yourself in the timeless, enduring culture from which your people came. Ukraine is a country of great natural beauty, and one in which a new vista of a long panorama of history unfolds around every corner. You will come to know buildings and traditions rooted in the rich soil of this ancient "Land of Milk & Honey." Churches, Monasteries, Castles, Towns and Cities, all are revealed as the trip proceeds through the lush Ukrainian countryside. Everything is expertly explained (in English) under the direction of our native born tour Director, Victor.
Tour Includes:
Superior Hotel Rooms (their best)
3 meals per day while in Ukraine
Transfers in Ukraine
Motor Coach (air cond. w/ washroom)
Bottled water each day on bus
Fully escorted sightseeing
Tours in English & Ukrainian
Baggage Handling
All excursions, tours, entertainment
KyivDay 1 &2
Pereyoslav - Khmelnytskyy Day 3
Zaporizhya Day 4
Yalta Day 5, 6& 7
Kherson Day 8
Odessa Day 9
Vinnytsya Day 10
Ternopil Day 11 & 12
YaremchaDay 13 & 14
LvivDay 15, 16, 17, 18 & 19
Leave for Canada Day 20
Land travel - $3,500.00 based on double occupancy.
Book early to get the best air prices.
If you wish more information about this tour, please press reply (lgmann@...)on this email to receive the daily details of the tour.Color map available.
Or call
Jennie Zacharuk
7666 – 11th Ave SW, Calgary, AB, T3H 4B4
Phone 249-3417
Please forward this information to anyone that you think will be interested.
Can anyone help this person?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tammy from Hotmail <ktheck@...>
Date: 21-Mar-2007 14:10
Subject: Research
To: chairman@...
I am looking for a grave in Sasketwan, do you know of a web site like
this but for Sasketwan?
Tammy Heck
780-479-7496
ktheck@...
________________________________
This March Break, Have An Indoor Fun-For-All!
--
Tara Shymanski
Chairperson
Alberta Family Histories Society
712-16th Ave NW,
Calgary, AB, T2W 0J8
chairman@...
www.afhs.ab.ca
(403)214-1447
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For anyone interested in Ukrainian genealogy, there is a new book out. Author John D. Pihach, Chairperson of the East European Genealogical Society in Winnipeg, Book Title: Ukrainian Genealogy: A Beginner's Guide. It has 272 pages.
The book is selling for $54.95 (cloth) and $34.95 (paper), usually with shipping & handling/GST added. I have a source where you can purchase the paperback book for $30 plus $5.00 shipping & handling with no GST added. The source is http://ukrainiangenealogist.tripod.com/ (I am not fond of tripod because of the pop-ups but some pages are worth the inconvenience). I personally do not gain anything by notifying you of this book or source, other than the satisfaction that you are receiving the best value. I have not ordered my copy yet, but the reviews are very positive.
I have blindcopied all those who ever asked to join the Ukrainian SIG (44 people) or who emailed me about interest in Ukrainian information, because some are not members of Alberta Family Histories Society. I hope you will join and also join the SIG. It doesn't matter where you are and the benefits of belonging to AFHS is you will receive Chinook, our quarterly publication. In this journal, there is a SIG corner where often Ukrainian SIG information will be covered, which you would not otherwise receive. As well, you can place two free queries per member per publication year. So it is well worth the price. Ask me for details and I will send you the form.
For those not on dist-gen and who missed the information about the two tours to the Ukraine - one in June and the other in September 2007, I have posted the messages at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ukrainiangenealogy
Currently this group is open to everyone to read without signing up with yahoo.
For those on the Ukrainian SIG list that I am blindcopying, please let me know if you wish your name removed. If you are reading this and did not receive a version that had UkrainianSIG beside your name, email me and I will add you. Please do not email dist-gen. Email me at age@...
Serendipity articles for the next issue of Chinook
are needed as soon as possible. Take a few moments to write up something
for us about your unique genealogy experiences while doing family history
research.
Once again our AFHS has been invited to participate in the annual
Heritage Fair.
The
Calgary
and
District Heritage Fair provides a forum for young people in Grades 4 to
9 to
learn about their Canadian heritage. Students choose a subject, do
research and
present a display or program at the Heritage Fair. Over 300 students
from Calgary
and district
schools participated in last year’s Fair.
Originated
and supported in part by the Historica Foundation, heritage fairs take
place in
cities and communities all over Canada
on the same day. Museums Alberta
and the ATA Social Studies Council have organized the program for
eleven
years.
This year the Calgary
and District Fair will once again be held at City Hall on Saturday, May
5th, from 9 am. to 1 pm.
We have
been asked if we might provide a few adjudicators who would be required
to examine (in pairs) a number of exhibits and score them on their
quality.
If you would be interested in making this contribution of your time and
talent for this significant community venture with Calgary's young
students please call Annette Parte (work 271-5522 or
home 873-1911).
AFHS will
be presenting a book award to the best family history exhibit.
Congratulations to Peggy Franko, who did such a great interview on the
W-5 program this evening. The forensic work that has gone into this
project is phenomenal! Not sure which answer would be best, Peggy, but
as you said, better to know one way or the other. Good luck.
Marlene Knott
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=cemetery
+saskatchewan&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
If you narrowed down where in Saskatchewan, the Saskatchewan
Genealogical Society should be able to provide more help: http://
www.saskgenealogy.com/
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My children know me as one who regularly reads the obituaries and my sister says if you want to find me, look for the nearest cemetery. So they would not question that these pulled at my heartstrings. I thought you might be interested as well.
Children's Cemetery Memorial
Minnesota State Public Schoolfor Dependent and Neglected Children Owatonna, Minnesota
View photographs of the Children's Cemetery Memorial and graves at the Minnesota State Public School for Dependent and Neglected Children. There are 151 named crosses of the 198 children who rest in the cemetery.
The regular monthly meeting of the Ontario SIG will be tomorrow, Monday March 26th, at the AFHS Library at 712 - 16 Avenue NW.
Charlie Hansen will be providing a presentation on "Mailing Lists, Message Boards, Newsletters, Blogs and More Useful for Ontario Research". Please come prepared to share your experiences, do's and don'ts, and other helpful hints about any of the above.
Just a reminder that the Family History Coaching session for March is on this Saturday, March 31, between 10:00 and noon on the 4th Floor of the Central Library. This program is staffed by volunteers from the Alberta Family Histories Society and offers one-on-one assistance with your family history questions. So, bring your questions, bring your friends. Coffee is provided and we're very friendly.
The next monthly meeting of AFHS will take place on Monday, April
2, 2007 at First Christian Reformed Church (3818 14A St SW).
For the Basics Session at 6:30 pm, Linda Holdaway will give
hints and tips for finding cemetery records and obituaries.
The general meeting will be held at 7:00 pm.
For the Main Program at 8:00 pm, Jacqueline Alford will do a
presentation about Funerary Art.
It has come to my attention that some advertising regarding
our meetings had a mistake. The monthly meeting in May will be held as usual on
the first Monday of the month, May 7 (not May 2).
The Annual General Meeting will take place at the May
meeting.
The next monthly meeting of AFHS will take place on Monday, April
2, 2007 at First Christian Reformed Church (3818 14A St SW).
For the Basics Session at 6:30 pm, Linda Holdaway will give
hints and tips for finding cemetery records and obituaries.
The general meeting will be held at 7:00 pm.
For the Main Program at 8:00 pm, Jacqueline Alford will do a
presentation about Funerary Art.
It has come to my attention that some advertising regarding
our meetings had a mistake. The monthly meeting in May will be held as usual on
the first Monday of the month, May 7 (not May 2).
The Annual General Meeting will take place at the May
meeting.
The next monthly meeting of AFHS will take place on Monday, April
2, 2007 at First Christian Reformed Church (3818 14A St SW).
For the Basics Session at 6:30 pm, Linda Holdaway will give
hints and tips for finding cemetery records and obituaries.
The general meeting will be held at 7:00 pm.
For the Main Program at 8:00 pm, Jacqueline Alford will do a
presentation about Funerary Art.
It has come to my attention that some advertising regarding
our meetings had a mistake. The monthly meeting in May will be held as usual on
the first Monday of the month, May 7 (not May 2).
The Annual General Meeting will take place at the May
meeting.
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