Welcome to new members. So here goes:<br>The
rainbow- I'm not going to try to summarize it, but I do
have a little bit to say about it. I love this book
and Lawrence's work so much for the way the people
think, strongly, ambiguously, unsupported by real facts-
just the inner workings of their mind. The use of the
omnicient narrator in all his works (that I've read, at
least) lets us hear the generalizations and terms of
grandeur that our thoughts are often subjected to. <br>The
same is true for _Sons and Lovers_ and I thought the
characterwho exemplified this perhaps the most was Miriam. She
comes up with interesting ideas- oh you all know what I
mean.<br>-ms_thinkpink

my first DH Lawrence book, and i loved it. the Oedipus relationship and the
dilemma he had between Miriam and Clara is just superbly written.

my first dh lawrence book...<br>sure there are
emphasis on sex and all, but what relationship story is
without it?<br>this book is about relationships and deep
emotions involved in relationships. These stories can be
so truthfully related to our own
relationships....<br>This book has to be put in schools to tell students
what's coming in their personal lives. And in my
opinion, the personal life makes up everything in a
person......and our personal lives is basically the main part of
our lives...<br>okok, i'm just blabbing on all of a
sudden in this club.....but i'm a new member and
hopefully this will serve as a catylist to start up a busy
message board...<br>well, it's been a long time since i
read the rainbow, i'll appreciate it if anyone can
post up a summary of the novel...i would love to
refresh my mind, and a summary will probably start other
interesting things in this young club....

I posted a link to a poetry site... Actually
looking at it was my first time ever seeing DHL's poetry.
Kind of slack of me never to look it up at the
library.<br>-ms_thinkpink<br>ps. Happy New Year, everyone

actually I have just picked up this novel to read and am starting it tonight.

Hello! and a question to everyone- have any of
you read _Sons and Lovers_ (I know I have more than
likely asked this question at least once before but) and
if so please let me know- I've been rereading it and
there are so many things that I could
discuss-<br>-ms_thinkpink

I recently read this because I have had to for
quite some time and just recently finished it. I was
amazed at how he caputered the inner struggle that
connie had to contend with and given the time frame that
this was suppose to take place he did very well in
detailing her fears and ambitions. I say bravo to this,
this book will definitly become one of my favorites

I picked up a great biog of Lawrence today at a
clearance sale (hey, my last cheque bounced, so). It's by a
Mrs. Mannox I think, and it focusses on his
tempestuous marriage to Frieda. Will keep you guys posted.

I have the Penguin 20th century classics edition
of this novel- these copies always seem to have a ve
ry good introduction. This one is by Anne Fernihough
and there's a lot about feminism in there and how
DHL's views changed. If you want to just pick it up do
so but I'd be okay with relaying some of her main
points.<br>ms_thinkpink

In hindsight, I was perhaps a little too hasty in
dismissing Lawrence as a misogynist! At the time, I was
thinking squarely on a very good essay on him and LCL in
particular, which apparently displays Lawrence's disdain for
the female most urgently. I think you certainly can
apply feminist theory to this novel, and come up with
some interesting results. However, I still believe the
most important "message" of this novel, the most
powerful and uplifting element, is one of transitional
redemption. A "resurrection of the body" (as Lawrence would
say) that transcends societal notions of gender,
gender relations, rules and norms and sexuality.
<br><br>I am reminded of Virginia Woolf time and time
again; a marriage to nature/nature as my bride!

...thank you...apology accepted, and I understand what you said about
clarity...it is most important on the web...misunderstandings happen so easily.

...which I did not. By saying that you did not
know much I meant only in refrence to DHL's life and
not anything else, which I believe you said yourself.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear- I figured everyone would
just follow that my post was about the title- "DHL's
life"- and not about anything else. I haven't had a real
discussion with you, but from the quasi ones we have had, I
am sure that you "know much" and know quite enough
about Lawrence's novels to talk about them. <br>Sorry
again!<br>-ms_thinkpink

Hello jembeam! Yes, I agree totally with
that...in those of his novels that I have read, nature does
play a very important role. I am intrigued that my
puzzlement over whether he is a misogynist or not has met
with a positive answer. My own reading suggests, on
one hand, an idealisation of women, and on the other
hand, a abhorrance for "self-willed" women. It is
perhaps because he idealises women that his attitude is
conflicting...I'd be interested to see if you agree with this?

I will make allowances for the fact that you are
so young, but just where did you get the idea that I
didn't know very much? It is very presumptious of you,
not to say rude, to jump to that conclusion. Did you
ever enter into a discussion with me? Have you so much
as asked me a question? That, I suppose, is what is
commonly refered to as the arrogance of youth. As for the
biographical details of Lawrence's life...indeed I know very
little...but I find that in reading literature it is the study
of the works, and exploring what they mean to me
personally, that is the important and absorbing thing. Think
before you speak Ms Thinkpink!

well I don't know an enormous ammount about him,
but my knowledge is growing! I remember when we
studied LCL at uni, the tutor told us about Lawrence's
strong sense of despair for modern-day England, and his
subsequent travels to the far reaches of the globe (with his
wife). this in itself is certainly an interesting fact,
and really quite romantic don't you think? But what
is even more interesting is what I later discovered
from reading his letters. It seems almost the entire
time he was away, he was longing for "his England"!
Now I suppose this is only a natural human response,
but it does highlight the problem with generalising
and romanticising the artist's convictions. Perhaps
also it shows that lawrence never found what he was
looking for? I am yet to read 'Kangaroo', or S&L, and at
the moment I am going through Virginia WOolf's novels
(a slow process), but I will get there.

It sounds like you know a bit more than I do...
if you've read the earlier messages, you might have
seen that femme doesn't know that much and all I know
is from reading on Katherine Mansfield.. so I guess
all I have is the milieu and the vaguest outline. If
you think of anything that seems relevant-
discuss!<br>-ms_thinkpink

It is great to find others who can freely discuss
Lawrence (et al). I'm only in my first year at uni, so it
is not the most popular topic of conversation at
parties etc.!<br><br>I have only really just 'discovered'
Lawrence. LCL was my introduction (and what an intro?!).
With regards to other works of his; I have sifted
through his entire volume of published letters
(fascinating), I have read numerous critical and exploratory
essays written by Lawrence and on Lawrence, I have read
some of Lawrence's poetry, and I have just started a
short book on his time in Australia (where I am from).
I saw a large biog. at the library on his life, but
I thought I should wait until I have read some more
of his fiction first, because the only piece of
fiction I have read (aside from poetry) is LCL. I know of
Sons and Lovers and that will surely be next!

Welcome welcome- tho your question was not for
me, and tho I have not read Lady Chatterly's Lover
for a while now, I remember feeling a charged element
to the writing in general (which I find to be true
of Lawrence in general). When he writes about human
joy or sensuality, he writes about it with all the
hope of the subconscious mind... this is true to all
of his novels (at least those that I have read).
<br>Have you read any other Lawrence? My favorite has been
Sons and Lovers so if you haven't picked that one up
yet, I would recommend it.<br>-ms_thinkpink

Hey femme,<br><br>I'm a new member, who has also
just stumbled upon this whole yahoo!clubs phenomenon.
I have recently studied LCL at uni, and I thought
it was brilliant. And yes, I agree with you about
DHL as misogynist! However, I think there are a
number of positively uplifting and life-affirming
attributes to this novel, the first of which must concern
nature. Do you agree?

I have read Women In Love (although some time
ago) and am now re-reading The Rainbow. As I said,
whether Lawrence is a misogynist is a question that has
recently surfaced in my mind and I haven't quite decided
yet.

It's an interesting question and one I've thought
about a lot as a read his works. Sometimes I believe he
is a misogynist and sometimes I feel certain he's a
feminist! It's a question that I believe is brought up a
lot in scholarly debates about Lawrence and I'm sure
we could find an expert's opinion if we looked for
it. Have you read _The Rainbow_? Or _Women In Love_?
Didn't parts of them make you feel like he's a feminist
(if you've read it)? The society he was active in was
that of the very early feminism, as many of the people
in his circle were to a degree.<br>-Angela

Found Lady Chatterley's Lover online (as well as others) so I thought I'd add a
link to it.

I am currently re-reading LCL and I always find
new things to think about at each reading. Although
Lawrence is a great writer and we owe him a lot for
liberating literature I have the uneasy suspicion that he
was a misogynist at heart. Anyone feel the same?

Hello & welcome! Please feel free to post and especially to invite new
members!<br>What of Lawrence's have you read, what insights, etc.
etc.<br>-Angela

...to our new member maiishere!

Hi. Put a notice on the Books and Writing message boards to let others know
about your club...hope it has the desired effect!

Thanks for joining... if anyone you know is
interested invite them (though that's always been hard for
me to do personally). I know very little about D. H.
Lawrence, actually, and what little I do know comes from
the fronts of books(!) and a study I did on the New
Zealand author/short story writer Katherine Mansfield
(who was a close friend of Lawrence's and his wife)
gave me the additional knowledge of his life.<br>I
haven't read Lady Chatterly's Lover in awhile! Remember
it for the most part, though... It's _Women In Love_
I've almost entirely forgotten!<br>What is there to
talk about? You decide, let me know... Thanks again
for joining!<br>-Angela

Hello! I love being the first member of your
club! But I also love D H Lawrence - my favourite is
Lady Chatterley's Lover. I think the most deserving
person to be the founder of a club is the one who
actually does it - YOU. Obviously no-one else cared enough
or thought to do it. Good work! Don't give up, I am
also the founder of a club, so I know how hard it is
to get one up and running.I hope that you don't mind
some advice... just hang in there, and tell others
about your club - but don't spam...it is very
irritating at times.<br>PS- I don't know much about his
life, so I'd be interested to hear anything you have to
tell.<br>Femme.

I founded this club merely because there was no
D. H. Lawrence club existing on Yahoo and I thought
that was reason enough to found one. However, I'm not
sure if I'm the most deserving person to found this
club. I'm a high school sophomore and have only read
three of Lawrence's books (_The Rainbow_, _Women in
Love_, Lady Chatterly's Lover_, working on _Sons and
Lovers_) and only have the most basic knowledge of his
life. If any future members feel like they have a
greater knowledge of his work and life, I encourage them
to email me and I'll make them the founder.<br>Hope
to see some people around here!<br>-ms_thinkpink

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