Hi Herman (and Howard) ... J: "Utterly perplexed", "baffled by the attitude" … It's becoming the usual Herman bluster (but I'm still looking for the beef...
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jonoabb
Jan 1, 2013 1:18 pm
Hi Rob E & Herman ... J: If it `tortures the definition of "sound"' it does so because you are attributing the conventional meaning of sound to the dhamma...
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upasaka@...
upasaka_howard
Jan 1, 2013 2:59 pm
Hi, Jon - ... HCW: What I mean by 'sound' is what is heard. Any sound, as I use the term, is the object-content of ear consciousness. Whether there are...
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upasaka@...
upasaka_howard
Jan 1, 2013 3:06 pm
Hi, Jon & Robert - ... <Snip> ... HCW: Here's something from someone in the "no unheard sound" camp: /"Thus, monks, the Tathagata, when seeing what is to be...
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Ken H
kenhowardau
Jan 2, 2013 3:07 am
Hi Sarah, ... whereas alobha refers to a single specific cetasika, dana, unless referring specifically to alobha, refers to different realities. There cannot...
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jonoabb
Jan 2, 2013 3:09 am
Hi Herman & Rob E (128487) ... J: Regarding "To my understanding, sound is entirely mind-made", I'd be interested to know the basis for this understanding. ...
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Robert E
epsteinrob
Jan 2, 2013 3:20 am
Hi Herman. ... Sure, I would agree. ... I think I would agree with that, but maybe revise it to say: It is not so much how the world is, but how to live in...
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Robert E
epsteinrob
Jan 2, 2013 3:29 am
Hi Sarah. ... That is a great description. I like the "light, gentle and peaceful" cittas. I think there were moments like that when my daughter was born,...
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connie
nichiconn
Jan 2, 2013 3:40 am
dear friends, ... AN 4.24 alternate translations: Gradual Sayings: Thus, monks, a Tathaagata is a seer of what is to be seen, but he has no conceit* of what is...
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Robert E
epsteinrob
Jan 2, 2013 3:54 am
Hi Jon. ... Well, to me there seem to be two issues here: one is what you're talking about, and we could agree, at least provisionally, that the arising of...
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jagkrit2012
Jan 2, 2013 5:39 am
Dear Lukas and Sarah Thank you for your good reminders. ... JJ: Exactly, and I may add that the cattle is also in the deep abyss of ignorance. ... JJ: This...
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Lukas
szmicio
Jan 2, 2013 5:45 am
Dear Jagkrit, ... L: And without ignorance, there could be no life. It conditions all what appears now. Without that no seeing, hearing, no life. ignorance...
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Robert E
epsteinrob
Jan 2, 2013 5:53 am
Hi Jon. ... Could you please describe or define what constitutes the rupa of "sound" apart from being heard? Thanks, Rob E. = = = = = = = = = =...
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jagkrit2012
Jan 2, 2013 7:01 am
Dear Lukas ... JJ: I like that you mentioning vithi citas which bring us daily life experiences of the world. If we are in deep sleep, this world never appears...
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Herman
egberdina
Jan 2, 2013 7:09 am
Hi all, HH: I am unwilling to resist this following attempt at humour. I sincerely hope no-one is offended. ... HH: I guess you are all flying "cattle class"...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 2, 2013 8:37 am
Hi Ken H, ... ... S: The catch is really when we think that it's "I" who was right (or wrong) and forget about dhammas again:-) ... ... S: So many DSGers...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 2, 2013 8:40 am
Dear Lukas, I agree, like blind cattle much of the time, just munching on objects of lobha. Just anytime at all, any reality at all, there can be understanding...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 2, 2013 8:47 am
Hi Herman, ... ... S: Is that it? Very mild by Herman standards:-) Yes, off cattle-class in the morning - like now, bound to be mostly following ignorance and...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 2, 2013 9:00 am
Dear Friends, ... ... Pali: ``Ye te sotavi~n~neyyaa saddaa assutaa assutapubbaa, na ca su.naasi, na ca te hoti su.neyyanti? Atthi te tattha chando vaa raago...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 2, 2013 9:05 am
Dear Friends, Some Pali added at the end. No time for more comments... ... ... `Iti kho, bhikkhave, tathaagato da.t.thaa da.t.thabba.m, di.t.tha.m na...
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sarah
sarahprocter...
Jan 3, 2013 6:07 am
Hi Howard (128529) ... J: OK, so we are no longer talking about sound as that term is used in the Pali Canon, but about your own preferred definition of sound...
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Herman
egberdina
Jan 3, 2013 6:39 am
Hi Jon, ... HH: You're seeing bluster, I'm dealing with filibuster :-) HH: I'll be taking a non-lurking break. Thanks everyone for the discussions. ... -- ...
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jonoabb
Jan 3, 2013 7:20 am
Hi again Howard, All Oops, accidentally got up Sarah's account. Should have gone through under my name. Blame it on the jet-lag (just arrived in Bangkok:-)) ...
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jonoabb
Jan 3, 2013 7:26 am
Hi Herman ... J: Thanks for letting us know. See you when you're back again. Jon...
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jonoabb
Jan 3, 2013 7:30 am
Hi Rob E ... J: Yes, I understand the teaching as set out in the Pali Canon to be that the rupa that is cognizable through the ear door arises independently...
128552
jonoabb
Jan 3, 2013 7:46 am
Hi Connie ... J: Many thanks for giving us the Bh Bodhi translation and commentary notes. So the meaning is no misconceiving by way of craving, conceit or...
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sarah abbott
sarahprocter...
Jan 3, 2013 11:20 am
Dear Friends, We spent time with Nina this afternoon, relaxing at our hotel. Her trip to Thailand was fine. Naturally she's very tired. Unpacking a little...
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azita
gazita2002
Jan 3, 2013 11:48 am
Hallo Sarah, Sad news about Ivan, and as Elle said Cuticitta can arise anytime anywhere. Regards to Nina and hope you all have a restful time. Coming from...
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upasaka@...
upasaka_howard
Jan 3, 2013 1:41 pm
Hi, Jon - I understand your perspective. Mine is different. I think my perspective is in line with the Dhamma, and you do not. I could be wrong! I'm not...
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Vince
cerovzt
Jan 3, 2013 8:35 pm
sad news to read, he was a good man. Hope all you will be right in Bangkok, all you are an excellent and generous people. best wishes,...
