Hello Phil, all,

>P:...that by meditating one can sit and see desires come and go,
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I'd like to rephrase that as "by observing present moment one can see dhammas
and their nature thus developing more and more understanding that will
eventually uproot the defilements"


>P: but my point is that one fails to see just how deep and pervasive >lobha
is....
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Only by deeper and deeper observation and reflection can this be seen. Of course
if someone settles only on the surface level than it is fault of that person
rather than meditation itself.

It is not fault of the tool that someone misused it.

As if in daily life neyya can go deep enough for such kind of insight.

With metta,

Alex