Dear Determinists,

I'm writing to ask for your help in supporting the Center for
Naturalism, the only organization I'm aware of that's making
known the positive consequences of accepting a deterministic
understanding of ourselves.

You know, but most of the world doesn't, the harm that comes from
believing we have contra-causal free will. You know, but most don't,
that by exposing the myth of supernatural freedom, worldview naturalism
can help us significantly in many domains of life, personal, social, and
existential. The CFN is taking the lead in educating the wider culture
about what follows if we accept ourselves as fully physical, natural
creatures.

As a non-profit, the CFN depends wholly on those like yourself, who
understand the importance of promoting naturalism and determinism. Any
amount is welcome, but a donation of $100 or more will make you an Ally
of Naturalism
<http://www.centerfornaturalism.org/allies_of_naturalism.htm> , plus
you'll receive a copy of Encountering Naturalism: A Worldview and
Its Uses. To contribute to the CFN, please visit
http://www.centerfornaturalism.org/support.htm
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to:

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Many thanks for your support!

Tom Clark
Director, Center for Naturalism
617-480-8846



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Greetings,

The November-December Center for Naturalism newsletter is out here
<http://www.naturalism.org/CFN%20Newsletter.htm> . I'm pleased to report
that skeptic and philosopher Massimo Pigliucci has come out against
contra-causal free will at his Psychology Today blog, calling it
incoherent
<http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rationally-speaking/200911/the-inco\
herence-free-will> . If all skeptics did this (as of course they should
<http://www.naturalism.org/skepticism.htm> ) that would be major
progress.

best,

Tom



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HI  I've tried your email address, but I must not have the right one. I used the
one that shows here. It said "could not deliver".
Could you send it to me. Roger


--- In determinism@yahoogroups.com, rchrdstvr@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2009 3:03:24 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> throger1016@... writes:
>
> > HI Richard What happened to you. I've not heard anything for some time.
> > This is the only way I know to reach you. roger >>
> >
> > Sorry, I thought the ball was in your court.. rchrdstvr@...
>
> I'm still waiting for your stuff. PDF is preferable, but Email will work
> too.
>
> Richard
>
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>

HI Richard: I'm sorry. Shit happens; I uploaded the index and one partial
chapture about a week ago. But, I see it dissappeared. Maybe it did not fit this
site and the site manager deleted it.

--- In determinism@yahoogroups.com, rchrdstvr@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2009 3:03:24 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> throger1016@... writes:
>
> > HI Richard What happened to you. I've not heard anything for some time.
> > This is the only way I know to reach you. roger >>
> >
> > Sorry, I thought the ball was in your court.. rchrdstvr@...
>
> I'm still waiting for your stuff. PDF is preferable, but Email will work
> too.
>
> Richard
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

In a message dated 11/21/2009 3:03:24 PM Mountain Standard Time,
throger1016@... writes:

> HI Richard What happened to you. I've not heard anything for some time.
> This is the only way I know to reach you. roger >>
>
> Sorry, I thought the ball was in your court.. rchrdstvr@...

I'm still waiting for your stuff. PDF is preferable, but Email will work
too.

Richard


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HI Richard What happened to you. I've not heard anything for some time. This is
the only way I know to reach you. roger

--- In determinism@yahoogroups.com, "throger1016" <throger1016@...> wrote:
>
> HI Richard;;You surely did more than copy newpapers items. The way you have
them speaking takes real talent. Thats one of the things that make it so
interesting to read. You are writing one of my favorites and thats period
writing.
>
> I will dig out a chapter or two and send them to you. I apprciate it. Do
remember I am very much of a amature writer. But, I'm not the sensitive type so
you don't have to worry about hurting my feeling "which I don't have". Roger
>
> --- In determinism@yahoogroups.com, rchrdstvr@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/13/2009 11:53:36 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> > throger1016@ writes:
> >
> > > My writing is mostly non-fiction and to make that fun to read is very
> > > difficult. Roger>>
> > >
> > > Thanks... This story is also non-fiction. I pretty much followed the
> > > newspaper reports at the time (1922). All the characters were real and
what they
> > > did was real, but to keep the story moving and interesting, I had to use a
> > > lot of fiction.
> >
> >    If you need a free critique, or even a suggestion or two, send me a copy
> > of your work by E-mail or PDF.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Preface

All About Training
1.  Introduction to the Gentle Method of dog training.

2.  The assumption that kills dogs.

3. The ‘yank and jerk’ method.

4. How learning really happens

5 The key to successful dog training

6.What you reinforce is what you get.

7.The key to successful dog training

8.Timing is everything

9.Sound devices

10.Hand signals

11.Schedules of reinforcement

12..Training from the dog’s point of view.

13.Leashless training.

14.System for dealing with behavior problems

15The phantom causes of behavior

16.Review

17.Toilet training

18.Structuring your home

19.Pairing with the primaries

20.Punishment


Part Two

Dog Stories

1.I used to bite
.
2.Our dogs

3.I did it right!

4.Rascal’s alarm

5.Our walks

6.Wake up--Wake up

7.Abandoned

  General dog stuff

1. Our service dogs

2.. Dogs can help you heal.

.3.The healthy dog

4. Dog talk

5.Just for parents

6.The animals speak.

7.Just for kids.

9.Throw away dogs

10.Just for kids.

11.Training dogs as a hobby

12.Are dogs an IT?

13.Questions and answers








I USED TO BITE


                 I was sitting quietly at home one evening when the phone rang.
"Do you train

dogs?"  the voice inquired.  "I sure do," I answered.  "Well," the voice
hesitated, "do you

train dogs that bite."  Something about the hesitation in the caller's voice 
was beginning

to make me curious.  "Yes, I have worked with dogs that bite,"  I replied.  The
caller then

said, "You are the third trainer I've called, and the other two trainers did not
want to have

anything to do with my dog," he said, with a note of concern in his voice. "Tell
me a little

more about the dog," I asked.

             As it turned out, the caller had spent a considerable amount of
money buying a

pure bred pit bull and had it shipped from another part of the country.  The dog
was

about a year old and guaranteed to be a good watch-guard dog. He had the dog at
his

home for just a couple of weeks.  This was his problem.  The dog had just sunk
its' teeth

into his wife's thigh the day before he called me.  The caller’s wife was
insisting that the

dog be put down.  He, on the other hand, wanted to see if anything could be done
to train

the dog as he really liked this dog.

             After getting some necessary information, I informed this
prospective client that I

would be over at his home the next afternoon.  I also told him not to feed the
dog until

after I arrived.  He agreed, and said he would cooperate in any way I suggested
as he

really wanted to keep this dog if at all possible. He seemed relieved and
hesitant at the

same time.  Apparently, the other two trainers had seen the dog and told the
owner to

have it put down as there was no way to work with a dog as mean as this one was.

             I was not intimidated by his doubts or the other trainer’s
resistance to working

with this dog. I had a secret weapon.  With the Gentle Method of using a
Conditioned

Sound, I was sure that I could solve this problem.

             Late the next afternoon, driving to the clients home, I wondered if,
perhaps, I was

being just a little overconfident.  The Gentle Method using a conditioned sound
had

never let me down yet, but there was always a first time.  This dog sounded like
a real

terror.  The two other trainers were responding to something when they advised
having

the dog put down.  I was to find out very shortly why these two other trainers
had

suggested the dog be put down.

             After driving into the clients driveway, I checked to make sure I
had everything I

needed.  A large plastic dog bowl, the Sound Leash, and the plastic bag with
freshly

fried beef heart sprinkled with garlic salt.  I gathered everything together and
made

my way to the back of the house.

             As I walked towards the back yard, I began hearing a combination of
snarling,

growling and barking that made my hair stand up on end.  Without even seeing
this dog,

I could tell it meant business. In all the years of training dogs, I had never
been bitten.

I had no desire to spoil this record

             If I had thought these sounds were a bit unnerving, the sight of
this dog was even

more intimidating.  The evening before, I had confirmed with client, that he
would have

the dog chained when I arrived.  He was true to his word.  The dog had a heavy
duty

collar with a very stout chain running from the dog to the doghouse.  I took
some

satisfaction in the very low probability this dog was not going anywhere
attached to the

chain, but it was very clear as to why the other two trainers refused to work
with this dog.

             This dog's eyes, mouth and face said, if I can get close to you, I
will definitely do

my best to chew you up.  It was at the very limit of the chain, straining with
every bit of

energy in its' body, snapping and biting the air, and wishing I was just a
little bit closer

so those teeth could close on an arm and/or leg.

             By this time, the dogs' owner had come out of the house and was
trying to calm

the dog.  It was a total waste of time.  This dog was determined to have me for
dinner.  I

was just as determined that he would have what I brought with me for dinner,
namely the

beef heart.

             The expression on the client’s face was one of resignation.  He
really believed it

was hopeless.  I told him to sit back and relax, or to go back into the house as
I would

handle it from here.  He looked surprised, but walked over to a ledge near the
house and

sat down.

             Prince, whom I had been told, was the name of this four legged
biting machine,

was still at the extreme end of his chain and still biting the air around him. I
started to

walk in a circle around the doghouse which acted as an anchor for Prince. 
Prince

followed me around one loop which essentially shortened his chain by a good ten
feet.

I then placed plastic dog bowl at a distance from which I could easily toss food
into it and

still stay out of Prince's reach.

             I squatted down, staying just out of Prince's territory and tossed a
small piece of

the beef heart into the bowl and waited.  Prince stopped growling and snarling,
looked at

me and looked at the bowl.  It was easy to see his nose was in good working
order.

             Prince moved over to bowl and practically inhaled the small piece of
beef heart

and eyed me suspiciously.  I tossed another piece into the bowl.  Again, Prince
waited

just a moment, than gulped down the meat.  With Prince, I did this process more
slowly

then usual.  After about the fifth toss of the meat, I pulled the Sound Leash
out of

my pocket and pressed the button just before the meat was tossed into the bowl. 
As I

did this, Prince looked at me with some curiosity, but continued gulping down
the meat.

             The sequence of pressing the button on the Sound Leash,  than
tossing the meat

into the bowl, was continued for about twenty to twenty five repetitions.  I
stopped and

waited.  Prince had calmed down very nicely, and was standing by the bowl
waiting for

more of this tasty game.  His goal of chewing me up from head to toe seemed to
have

been side tracked for the time being.

             I waited and Prince waited.  I glanced over at my clients face
momentarily.  A look

of real interest had replaced the look of resignation which was quite apparent a
few

minutes earlier.  Prince finally did what I knew he would do if I could out wait
him.  He sat

down.  Immediately after he sat down, I used the Sound Leash, and tossed the
meat into

the bowl.  Within a split second, Prince was on his feet again and with his head
in the

bowl, grabbing that piece of meat.

             The first time it had taken about three minutes for Prince to sit. 
The second time,

it took about ten seconds.  The third time, it took, perhaps, two or three
seconds.  The

fourth time, I said, "SIT" just as Prince was starting to sit. By about the
tenth repetition,

Prince seemed to be enjoying the whole game.  His expression had changed

dramatically.  I even believe there was a suggestion of a tail wag.

             I then moved a few feet to my right.  After a very slight delay,
Prince moved a few

feet to his right.  I said, "PRINCE, SIT."  Prince sat.  After he sat, I made
the sound with

the Sound Leash and tossed the piece of meat into his bowl.  Prince raced over
to the

bowl and gulped down the meat.

             I then moved a few feet to my left and repeated the process with the
same result.

I was fairly secure in the knowledge that Prince would a least sit on command at
this

point and that the Sound Leash had become a positively conditioned sound.  It
was

starting to reinforce whatever behavior which preceded the sound. In other
words, the

Sound Leash was starting to do its' job.  Prince was learning, whether he liked
it or not,

but it was quite apparent Prince was liking what he was learning and how he was
being

taught.

             On my next move to the other side of the food bowl, after telling
Prince to sit, I

waited.  I waited about three to five seconds before making the sound.  Prince
sat waiting

patiently.  On the next move to the other side of the bowl, I said, "PRINCE SIT"
and right

after Prince sat I gave the command  "STAY,"  and waited six or seven seconds
before

making the sound.  Again, Prince sat patiently.  I moved back and forth, on
either side of

the food bowl, giving the command, "SIT" followed by the command "STAY" and
varying the

time from a couple of seconds to about ten seconds.  Of course, each time the
Sound

Leash sound was made, it was followed by my tossing a piece of food into the
food bowl.

             I happened to glance at the house and noticed the client's wife
peeking out of the

window watching this whole process.  At this point, all I saw was a look of
puzzlement on

her face.  At least, it had changed from one of anger and hurt to one of
puzzlement.

It appeared we were making progress with both the client, his wife and Prince.

             The next step would be the real test.  After I gave the command,
"PRINCE STAY,"

I moved about a third of the way around the circumference of the circle of
Prince's chain.  I


I held my breath, but Prince stayed until he heard the Sound Leash.  It was a
race to get

back to the bowl and toss the meat into it.  I repeated this, perhaps seven or
eight times

until I was quite sure Prince would stay when given the command, "STAY."  I was
also

quite sure it would be safe to let Prince off his chain to continue the training
in a more

normal manner.

             I moved in close to Prince with a couple pieces of meat in my hand. 
Prince

smelled the meat and, with surprising gentleness took the meat from my hand. In
fact, he

began licking the grease from the meat off my hand.  Slowly I unhooked the chain
from

his collar, after telling Prince to sit and stay.  He responded to both commands
perfectly.






















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HI Richard;;You surely did more than copy newpapers items. The way you have them
speaking takes real talent. Thats one of the things that make it so interesting
to read. You are writing one of my favorites and thats period writing.

I will dig out a chapter or two and send them to you. I apprciate it. Do
remember I am very much of a amature writer. But, I'm not the sensitive type so
you don't have to worry about hurting my feeling "which I don't have". Roger

--- In determinism@yahoogroups.com, rchrdstvr@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2009 11:53:36 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> throger1016@... writes:
>
> > My writing is mostly non-fiction and to make that fun to read is very
> > difficult. Roger>>
> >
> > Thanks... This story is also non-fiction. I pretty much followed the
> > newspaper reports at the time (1922). All the characters were real and what
they
> > did was real, but to keep the story moving and interesting, I had to use a
> > lot of fiction.
>
>    If you need a free critique, or even a suggestion or two, send me a copy
> of your work by E-mail or PDF.
>
> Richard
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>