The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which have left
remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed the
miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of far
lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds water.
Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer the
prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of the
One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth of
Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He also
fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost to His
believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well when the
world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His saints and
second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> in fact the saints are mere reccolections and transfigurations of
> pagan gods, because OY-weh
> doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
tradition'
> from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses colluded
in
> an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof was
> written long before the semitic people were, as such. any 'truth of
> history' you have derives through both the people of moses and the
> catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian sects
> crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
spiritualism
> and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'. the doom
> from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i mean
> really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in your
> version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick or a
> fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
response
> i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know? by the
> bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's promise?
are
> you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-adonai-
> tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION of
not
> holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are heavily
> weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote disparigangly
of
> the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title explicates
his
> viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them profoundly
for
> his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already running
on
> empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories, forms
of
> faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully to
> claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false and
> created later. it's like saying scientists buried the dinosaur
> fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your very
> arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more than
> what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only do
they
> not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it whenever
> possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses predates
> the
> > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who first
began
> to
> > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused. How do
we
> > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because He set
> his
> > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never flood
> the
> > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree of life
> and
> > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God
> > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the first
tree
> > after eating the second or they and their seed would be eternally
> > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave the
> first
> > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job at the
> > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back to
the
> > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in a "he
> > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His gospel
> > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not do. This
> is
> > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This is
why
> > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other religions.
> > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition though.
> > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were martyred by
> > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome burned?
> WHo
> > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
plagued
> > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God showed
> > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever been
> any
> > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth of
> > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was performed by
the
> > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship of Mary
> and
> > dead saints for instance)

you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape and
mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds and
bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the oral
tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of forever
by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna be
waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans forgery. 'ye
shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot of
rotten apples in your basket.

fruits... hehe. sorry.


--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which have
left
> remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
> reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed the
> miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
> plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of far
> lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds water.
> Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer the
> prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of the
> One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth of
> Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He also
> fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost to
His
> believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well when
the
> world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His saints
and
> second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and transfigurations of
> > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> tradition'
> > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
colluded
> in
> > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof was
> > written long before the semitic people were, as such. any 'truth
of
> > history' you have derives through both the people of moses and
the
> > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian
sects
> > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> spiritualism
> > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'. the
doom
> > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i mean
> > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in your
> > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick or
a
> > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
> response
> > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know? by
the
> > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's promise?
> are
> > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-adonai-
> > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION of
> not
> > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are heavily
> > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
disparigangly
> of
> > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title explicates
> his
> > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them profoundly
> for
> > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
running
> on
> > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories,
forms
> of
> > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully to
> > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false and
> > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the dinosaur
> > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your very
> > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more than
> > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only do
> they
> > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it whenever
> > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
predates
> > the
> > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who first
> began
> > to
> > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused. How do
> we
> > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because He
set
> > his
> > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never
flood
> > the
> > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree of
life
> > and
> > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God
> > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the first
> tree
> > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
eternally
> > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave the
> > first
> > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job at
the
> > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back to
> the
> > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in a "he
> > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His
gospel
> > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not do.
This
> > is
> > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This is
> why
> > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
religions.
> > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
though.
> > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were martyred by
> > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
burned?
> > WHo
> > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
> plagued
> > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God showed
> > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever
been
> > any
> > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth of
> > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was performed by
> the
> > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship of
Mary
> > and
> > > dead saints for instance)

No I haven't. In fact many of your father's people have tried to
commit sins in the name of the Church in order to attempt to tarnish
the name of Christ. We could begin with the Judaizers, the Agnostics
and the Pagans who entered the Church just for that reason. Or even
the hybrid Christian/Pagan Church of Rome who follows your Father.
Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostles ever
condoned these activites in the Church Age. However look at Pagan
child sacrifice. Ritual rape. The massacre of the Christians in the
Colliseum of Rome. One doesn't have to look very far to see who the
true murderer is. "He was a murderer from the begining and the father
of lies." Satan is just a jealous liar who leads the easily decieved.
He expresses His love and power for humanity at the cross and
empowers His believers with the Holy Ghost. This is where you come up
short.--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape and
> mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
> Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds and
> bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
> stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the oral
> tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of forever
> by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna be
> waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
> religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans forgery. 'ye
> shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot of
> rotten apples in your basket.
>
> fruits... hehe. sorry.
>
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which have
> left
> > remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
> > reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed
the
> > miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
> > plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of far
> > lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds
water.
> > Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer
the
> > prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of
the
> > One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth of
> > Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He also
> > fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost to
> His
> > believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well when
> the
> > world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His saints
> and
> > second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and transfigurations
of
> > > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> > tradition'
> > > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
> colluded
> > in
> > > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof was
> > > written long before the semitic people were, as such.
any 'truth
> of
> > > history' you have derives through both the people of moses and
> the
> > > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian
> sects
> > > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> > spiritualism
> > > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'. the
> doom
> > > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i
mean
> > > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in
your
> > > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick
or
> a
> > > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
> > response
> > > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know? by
> the
> > > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's
promise?
> > are
> > > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> > > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-adonai-
> > > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION
of
> > not
> > > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are heavily
> > > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
> disparigangly
> > of
> > > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title
explicates
> > his
> > > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them
profoundly
> > for
> > > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
> running
> > on
> > > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories,
> forms
> > of
> > > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully
to
> > > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false and
> > > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the dinosaur
> > > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your very
> > > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more than
> > > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only do
> > they
> > > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it
whenever
> > > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> > > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> > >
> > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
> predates
> > > the
> > > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who first
> > began
> > > to
> > > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused. How
do
> > we
> > > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because He
> set
> > > his
> > > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never
> flood
> > > the
> > > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree of
> life
> > > and
> > > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God
> > > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the first
> > tree
> > > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
> eternally
> > > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave
the
> > > first
> > > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job at
> the
> > > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back
to
> > the
> > > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in
a "he
> > > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His
> gospel
> > > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not do.
> This
> > > is
> > > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This
is
> > why
> > > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
> religions.
> > > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
> though.
> > > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were martyred
by
> > > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
> burned?
> > > WHo
> > > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
> > plagued
> > > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God
showed
> > > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever
> been
> > > any
> > > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth of
> > > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was performed
by
> > the
> > > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship of
> Mary
> > > and
> > > > dead saints for instance)

Bluecranefist,

Why anyone is even responding to you is beyond me -- and I include
myself in this -- we are only giving you pleasure by responding.
But, I have to say that you have no place here, if you're looking to
convert.  No one here is interested in your nonsense.  In fact, not
everyone here believes the same thing, either.  Personally, I
couldn't care less about you, what your beliefs are, if I'm going to
Hell, or about your feeble worthless god.  I just don't care.  I come
here for useful information for use in my evocations of Demons, not
the ravings of a religious christian lunatic.

So, on that note, I ask you to get a life and quit clogging up this
board with your ridiculous nonsense, as you obviously have way too
much time on your hands, so you have to hassle those with different
beliefs than your own to alleviate your boredom.  Either that, or you
have such a weak conscience that you need to attempt to force your
religious crap down others throats in order to feel secure.

By the way, the word "christian" means "Christ-like" or "followers in
Christ's footsteps".  Notice the word "footsteps" in that last
phrase, indicating the need to walk as Christ did, or do (act) as he
did.  In the Bible, Jesus doesn't FORCE people or brow-beat them with
his message.  He puts it on the table and lets those who want it take
it.  You should take a lesson from your own messiah, and leave alone
those who have decided NOT to be christian.  Jesus didn't rant and
rave like an insane looney at those who chose not to follow him, he
simply moved on to the next listening ear -- and a looney is exactly
what you are coming across as -- not to mention that I'm sure
everyone here is MORE than aware of christianity and its teachings.

And yes, I have read the Bible several times.  I studied it for
years.  It's one of the reasons I finally became a confirmed Satanist
in the first place.

That's ALL I have to say, or will say on this matter.  As far as I'm
concerned, by writing this message, I've already wasted more of my
time on a fool than I care to. I don't intend to waste anymore.

Tara





--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> No I haven't. In fact many of your father's people have tried to
> commit sins in the name of the Church in order to attempt to
tarnish
> the name of Christ. We could begin with the Judaizers, the
Agnostics
> and the Pagans who entered the Church just for that reason. Or even
> the hybrid Christian/Pagan Church of Rome who follows your Father.
> Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostles ever
> condoned these activites in the Church Age. However look at Pagan
> child sacrifice. Ritual rape. The massacre of the Christians in the
> Colliseum of Rome. One doesn't have to look very far to see who the
> true murderer is. "He was a murderer from the begining and the
father
> of lies." Satan is just a jealous liar who leads the easily
decieved.
> He expresses His love and power for humanity at the cross and
> empowers His believers with the Holy Ghost. This is where you come
up
> short.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape and
> > mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
> > Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds
and
> > bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
> > stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the
oral
> > tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of
forever
> > by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna
be
> > waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
> > religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans
forgery. 'ye
> > shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot
of
> > rotten apples in your basket.
> >
> > fruits... hehe. sorry.
> >
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which
have
> > left
> > > remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
> > > reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed
> the
> > > miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
> > > plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of
far
> > > lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds
> water.
> > > Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer
> the
> > > prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of
> the
> > > One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth
of
> > > Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He
also
> > > fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost
to
> > His
> > > believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well
when
> > the
> > > world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His
saints
> > and
> > > second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> > > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and
transfigurations
> of
> > > > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > > > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> > > tradition'
> > > > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
> > colluded
> > > in
> > > > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof
was
> > > > written long before the semitic people were, as such.
> any 'truth
> > of
> > > > history' you have derives through both the people of moses
and
> > the
> > > > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian
> > sects
> > > > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> > > spiritualism
> > > > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'.
the
> > doom
> > > > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i
> mean
> > > > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in
> your
> > > > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick
> or
> > a
> > > > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
> > > response
> > > > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know?
by
> > the
> > > > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's
> promise?
> > > are
> > > > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> > > > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-
adonai-
> > > > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION
> of
> > > not
> > > > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are
heavily
> > > > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
> > disparigangly
> > > of
> > > > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title
> explicates
> > > his
> > > > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them
> profoundly
> > > for
> > > > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
> > running
> > > on
> > > > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories,
> > forms
> > > of
> > > > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully
> to
> > > > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false
and
> > > > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the
dinosaur
> > > > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your
very
> > > > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more
than
> > > > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only
do
> > > they
> > > > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it
> whenever
> > > > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> > > > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> > > >
> > > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
> > predates
> > > > the
> > > > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who
first
> > > began
> > > > to
> > > > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused.
How
> do
> > > we
> > > > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because
He
> > set
> > > > his
> > > > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never
> > flood
> > > > the
> > > > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree
of
> > life
> > > > and
> > > > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
God
> > > > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the
first
> > > tree
> > > > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
> > eternally
> > > > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job
at
> > the
> > > > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back
> to
> > > the
> > > > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in
> a "he
> > > > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His
> > gospel
> > > > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not
do.
> > This
> > > > is
> > > > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This
> is
> > > why
> > > > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
> > religions.
> > > > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
> > though.
> > > > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were
martyred
> by
> > > > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
> > burned?
> > > > WHo
> > > > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
> > > plagued
> > > > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God
> showed
> > > > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever
> > been
> > > > any
> > > > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth
of
> > > > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was
performed
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship
of
> > Mary
> > > > and
> > > > > dead saints for instance)

to whom it may concern
this seems to me like a dogmatic  pissing contest, one that was won before there
ever was a Christ or Jewish faith . lol ! or any of the present  faiths. the
Samaritans was the first to  have a working faith system. if you need any help
in life look to the old and not the new cos if it ain't broke don't fix it !
worked then and still does to this day! and remember the source of the babbling
of the uneducated hell looks to me they didnt even use spell check lmmfao!

mr wizard strikes again!!!!!!!!!



Tara <executia@...> wrote:
Bluecranefist,

Why anyone is even responding to you is beyond me -- and I include
myself in this -- we are only giving you pleasure by responding.
But, I have to say that you have no place here, if you're looking to
convert.  No one here is interested in your nonsense.  In fact, not
everyone here believes the same thing, either.  Personally, I
couldn't care less about you, what your beliefs are, if I'm going to
Hell, or about your feeble worthless god.  I just don't care.  I come
here for useful information for use in my evocations of Demons, not
the ravings of a religious christian lunatic.

So, on that note, I ask you to get a life and quit clogging up this
board with your ridiculous nonsense, as you obviously have way too
much time on your hands, so you have to hassle those with different
beliefs than your own to alleviate your boredom.  Either that, or you
have such a weak conscience that you need to attempt to force your
religious crap down others throats in order to feel secure.

By the way, the word "christian" means "Christ-like" or "followers in
Christ's footsteps".  Notice the word "footsteps" in that last
phrase, indicating the need to walk as Christ did, or do (act) as he
did.  In the Bible, Jesus doesn't FORCE people or brow-beat them with
his message.  He puts it on the table and lets those who want it take
it.  You should take a lesson from your own messiah, and leave alone
those who have decided NOT to be christian.  Jesus didn't rant and
rave like an insane looney at those who chose not to follow him, he
simply moved on to the next listening ear -- and a looney is exactly
what you are coming across as -- not to mention that I'm sure
everyone here is MORE than aware of christianity and its teachings.

And yes, I have read the Bible several times.  I studied it for
years.  It's one of the reasons I finally became a confirmed Satanist
in the first place.

That's ALL I have to say, or will say on this matter.  As far as I'm
concerned, by writing this message, I've already wasted more of my
time on a fool than I care to. I don't intend to waste anymore.

Tara





--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> No I haven't. In fact many of your father's people have tried to
> commit sins in the name of the Church in order to attempt to
tarnish
> the name of Christ. We could begin with the Judaizers, the
Agnostics
> and the Pagans who entered the Church just for that reason. Or even
> the hybrid Christian/Pagan Church of Rome who follows your Father.
> Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostles ever
> condoned these activites in the Church Age. However look at Pagan
> child sacrifice. Ritual rape. The massacre of the Christians in the
> Colliseum of Rome. One doesn't have to look very far to see who the
> true murderer is. "He was a murderer from the begining and the
father
> of lies." Satan is just a jealous liar who leads the easily
decieved.
> He expresses His love and power for humanity at the cross and
> empowers His believers with the Holy Ghost. This is where you come
up
> short.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape and
> > mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
> > Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds
and
> > bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
> > stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the
oral
> > tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of
forever
> > by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna
be
> > waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
> > religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans
forgery. 'ye
> > shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot
of
> > rotten apples in your basket.
> >
> > fruits... hehe. sorry.
> >
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which
have
> > left
> > > remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
> > > reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed
> the
> > > miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
> > > plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of
far
> > > lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds
> water.
> > > Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer
> the
> > > prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of
> the
> > > One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth
of
> > > Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He
also
> > > fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost
to
> > His
> > > believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well
when
> > the
> > > world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His
saints
> > and
> > > second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> > > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and
transfigurations
> of
> > > > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > > > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> > > tradition'
> > > > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
> > colluded
> > > in
> > > > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof
was
> > > > written long before the semitic people were, as such.
> any 'truth
> > of
> > > > history' you have derives through both the people of moses
and
> > the
> > > > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian
> > sects
> > > > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> > > spiritualism
> > > > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'.
the
> > doom
> > > > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i
> mean
> > > > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in
> your
> > > > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick
> or
> > a
> > > > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
> > > response
> > > > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know?
by
> > the
> > > > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's
> promise?
> > > are
> > > > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> > > > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-
adonai-
> > > > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION
> of
> > > not
> > > > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are
heavily
> > > > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
> > disparigangly
> > > of
> > > > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title
> explicates
> > > his
> > > > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them
> profoundly
> > > for
> > > > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
> > running
> > > on
> > > > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories,
> > forms
> > > of
> > > > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully
> to
> > > > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false
and
> > > > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the
dinosaur
> > > > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your
very
> > > > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more
than
> > > > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only
do
> > > they
> > > > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it
> whenever
> > > > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> > > > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> > > >
> > > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
> > predates
> > > > the
> > > > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who
first
> > > began
> > > > to
> > > > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused.
How
> do
> > > we
> > > > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because
He
> > set
> > > > his
> > > > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never
> > flood
> > > > the
> > > > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree
of
> > life
> > > > and
> > > > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
God
> > > > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the
first
> > > tree
> > > > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
> > eternally
> > > > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job
at
> > the
> > > > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back
> to
> > > the
> > > > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in
> a "he
> > > > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His
> > gospel
> > > > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not
do.
> > This
> > > > is
> > > > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This
> is
> > > why
> > > > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
> > religions.
> > > > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
> > though.
> > > > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were
martyred
> by
> > > > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
> > burned?
> > > > WHo
> > > > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
> > > plagued
> > > > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God
> showed
> > > > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever
> > been
> > > > any
> > > > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth
of
> > > > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was
performed
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship
of
> > Mary
> > > > and
> > > > > dead saints for instance)


Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT


---------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

    To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/demonologyandtheoccult/

    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
demonologyandtheoccult-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Forgive me for intruding - but the person in question has 'won'.  He
has engaged the forum in a topic that is not in the mandate of this
discussion board - and is probably bragging to his church that he is
converting and 'bearing witness' to others.

My question is why this person hasn't been banned off this
discussion board long before this?

Liralen


--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "Tara"
<executia@h...> wrote:
> Bluecranefist,
>
> Why anyone is even responding to you is beyond me

I agree with you completely.  He has won by getting anyone to
respond, and as I said, I even included myself in that.  But I had to
say something.  It had gone on long enough, and I could no longer
stand it.  LOL!

Tara



--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "liralen2002"
<liralen2002@y...> wrote:
> Forgive me for intruding - but the person in question has 'won'.
He
> has engaged the forum in a topic that is not in the mandate of this
> discussion board - and is probably bragging to his church that he
is
> converting and 'bearing witness' to others.
>
> My question is why this person hasn't been banned off this
> discussion board long before this?
>
> Liralen
>

Well, I've read everyone else's posts on this topic, but I thought
I'd write one of my own in response.

Now, I have a method that works and was taught to me by another LHP
Demonologist.  And it does not involve the Seal of Solomon, the
Pentagram of Solomon, his circle or the triangle laid out in the
Lesser Key, or even the conjurations or prayers therein.

And it can be used with any spirit, planetary, demon, angel, deity,
etc..

Let me mention too, before I get blasted by all the tradionalists who
feel compelled to use the methods in the Goetia and the Greater Key,
I'm an LHP practitioner, I don't feel the need to use such clap-
trap.  And as someone has already mentioned, I know, many spirits are
offended by those methods and are dangerous to call using them.

More or less, I find out as much as possible about whichever spirit
I'm calling.  Always a wise thing to do, and it shows respect.  When
I'm ready to do the summoning, I cast a circle (a circle of power,
not the physical one in the Keys).  I perform the LBRP (using
Egyptian Godnames, not Hebrew ones -- although the words in the LBRP
are Hebrew, but you could also say the English trans.), then the
Bornless ritual, as they not only banish, but also are very
empowering and centering -- they tend to focus my mind on the task at
hand.  As of late, however, I've been working with a particular Demon
and have been experimenting with out the LBRP and the Bornless, and
things have been working very well.

I light the incense, the candle (they are outside the circle --
crossing the circle's boundary does not interrupt its energy), and
begin more or less meditating on the seal of the spirit, of which I
make 2 copies, one for inside the circle, one for outside with the
incense and candle.  When I say meditating on the seal of the spirit,
I have my eyes open, and I stare at nothing but the seal.  I can
blink, I can move, but I keep looking at the seal.  When doing this,
I think about the spirit, his/her name, etc., until the seal begins
to get a bit surreal.

I then close my eyes, and repeat a conjuration I write myself,
something short and mantra-like:

"O Great Marquis, Thou Cimeies,
Come thee forth at my behest.
Ride thee forth on gallant steed
To pierce the veil and hear my need."

I repeat this until the spirit shows, which normally doesn't take too
long, ask what I desire, make my offer in return (a poem in their
honor, a permanent seal, etc.), and thank them for coming.  I do not
give a license to depart as in the Keys.  I simply say thank you, and
tell them they can leave when they wish.  I never do a banishing
afterwards, and have never had any problems.  However, if you want to
banish, you can do the LBRP again to do the job.  Usually works
unless you ask for a whole horde of the spirit's minions to show as
well, in which case, you may have to do it several times.

As for angels, I'm told they tend to be very snobbish, and usually
have their own agenda, meaning that they only do what you want if it
benefits them in some way, and they may not do it at all.  So,
needless to say, I never use them.

Well, I hope this helps some.  I know this method isn't for just
anyone, as some need the psychological prop of Solomon's circle and
things.  You'll have to experiment with what works best for you.



--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "liralen2002"
<liralen2002@y...> wrote:
> I'm wondering if someone can point me in the right direction.  I'm
> looking for articles on how to summon demons as well as how to get
> rid of them.
>
> Any pointers would be gratefully accepted
>
> Liralen

Do you believe in reincarnation?  Do you believe it's possible that
you've lived before?  Do you believe that you were someone else?

Most people do not believe that it's all over when we die.  Culture
after culture has integrated into its mythology the idea that there's
something more after death – something beautiful.  Many of those
cultures believe we come back again…and again…and again so that we
may learn lessons in each life and to progress to a better life.
http://www.true.ws/afterlife/

**ST MICHAEL'S PSYCHIC OCCULT FAIR WASH DC MAY 16 ***

St. Michaels Church is having a Special Psychic Fair and
Metaphysical Service May 16th 11 am!!

ADDRESS:: CAMBRIDGE APTS--13th and Massachusetts Ave NW SOCIAL ROOM
BASEMENT!! SUBWAY-- MCPHERSON SQUARE METRO For more info call
Reverend Hazel Cassell 1-757-853-5054

CRYSTALS, METAPHYSICAL/ANGEL/SPIRIT READINGS, HEALING CIRCLE, ST.
GERMAIN, PSYCHIC BOOKS, INCENCES, OILS, AND MORE...!! BRING A DISH
OF POTLUCK--  **** ALL ARE WELCOME !! *****

COME MEET AND GREET OUR LOCAL SPIRITUALISTS AND OTHERS SEEKING
MYSTERIOUS INSIGHT AND PROPHECIES FOR 2004 IN WASH DC !!

YOUR CONTACTS --

1-757-853-5054
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stmichaelspsychicscience
WWW.ANGELFIRE.COM\VA\REVERENDHAZEL
WWW.ANGELFIRE.COM\VA\STMICHAELS

My question is - can the owners of the forum banned him??

Liralen
--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "Tara"
<executia@h...> wrote:
> I agree with you completely.  He has won by getting anyone to
> respond, and as I said, I even included myself in that.  But I had
to
> say something.  It had gone on long enough, and I could no longer
> stand it.  LOL!
>
> Tara
>
>
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "liralen2002"
> <liralen2002@y...> wrote:
> > Forgive me for intruding - but the person in question
has 'won'.
> He
> > has engaged the forum in a topic that is not in the mandate of
this
> > discussion board - and is probably bragging to his church that
he
> is
> > converting and 'bearing witness' to others.
> >
> > My question is why this person hasn't been banned off this
> > discussion board long before this?
> >
> > Liralen
> >

to those who said this bozo 'won' just by getting me to bite...
you're right. but lies piss me off. propaganda and mindless droning
piss me off. i had to answer. to the bozo writing (that's you,
bluecranefist) i can answer this post by saying VERY SIMPLY: you have
it precisely backwards. everyone here knows it. you are wasting our
time and yours. your preschool-style dogmatic arguments convince only
yourself and those unfortunate enough to be raised indoctrinated in
lies. you jump from maintaining the truth of the old testament to
demonizing those patriarchs as having been 'working for the devil'
when the facts don't suit you. you are however, quite useful. you
serve to demonstrate what true ignorance, indoctrination and
dnagerous rationalization are for those who don't know the anatomy of
the psychological phenomenon, and i thank you for that. i will now
stop wasting space on this valid forum by answering you. i just hope
Father gets a chuckle from your lunacy and doesn't take it too
harshly that his creations can libel him so viciously. but then
again, he's used to it.

HAIL FATHER!!!

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> No I haven't. In fact many of your father's people have tried to
> commit sins in the name of the Church in order to attempt to
tarnish
> the name of Christ. We could begin with the Judaizers, the
Agnostics
> and the Pagans who entered the Church just for that reason. Or even
> the hybrid Christian/Pagan Church of Rome who follows your Father.
> Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostles ever
> condoned these activites in the Church Age. However look at Pagan
> child sacrifice. Ritual rape. The massacre of the Christians in the
> Colliseum of Rome. One doesn't have to look very far to see who the
> true murderer is. "He was a murderer from the begining and the
father
> of lies." Satan is just a jealous liar who leads the easily
decieved.
> He expresses His love and power for humanity at the cross and
> empowers His believers with the Holy Ghost. This is where you come
up
> short.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape and
> > mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
> > Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds
and
> > bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
> > stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the
oral
> > tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of
forever
> > by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna
be
> > waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
> > religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans
forgery. 'ye
> > shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot
of
> > rotten apples in your basket.
> >
> > fruits... hehe. sorry.
> >
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which
have
> > left
> > > remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had no
> > > reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who performed
> the
> > > miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In the
> > > plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of
far
> > > lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds
> water.
> > > Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not answer
> the
> > > prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet of
> the
> > > One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the truth
of
> > > Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He
also
> > > fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost
to
> > His
> > > believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well
when
> > the
> > > world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His
saints
> > and
> > > second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> > > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and
transfigurations
> of
> > > > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > > > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> > > tradition'
> > > > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
> > colluded
> > > in
> > > > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof
was
> > > > written long before the semitic people were, as such.
> any 'truth
> > of
> > > > history' you have derives through both the people of moses
and
> > the
> > > > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit. christian
> > sects
> > > > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> > > spiritualism
> > > > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'.
the
> > doom
> > > > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i
> mean
> > > > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them in
> your
> > > > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly sick
> or
> > a
> > > > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the faith
> > > response
> > > > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we know?
by
> > the
> > > > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's
> promise?
> > > are
> > > > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents were
> > > > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-
adonai-
> > > > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under SUSPICION
> of
> > > not
> > > > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are
heavily
> > > > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
> > disparigangly
> > > of
> > > > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title
> explicates
> > > his
> > > > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them
> profoundly
> > > for
> > > > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
> > running
> > > on
> > > > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older histories,
> > forms
> > > of
> > > > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried pitifully
> to
> > > > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false
and
> > > > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the
dinosaur
> > > > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your
very
> > > > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more
than
> > > > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not only
do
> > > they
> > > > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it
> whenever
> > > > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was a
> > > > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> > > >
> > > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
> > predates
> > > > the
> > > > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who
first
> > > began
> > > > to
> > > > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused.
How
> do
> > > we
> > > > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood? Because
He
> > set
> > > > his
> > > > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would never
> > flood
> > > > the
> > > > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree
of
> > life
> > > > and
> > > > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
God
> > > > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the
first
> > > tree
> > > > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
> > eternally
> > > > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He gave
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job
at
> > the
> > > > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes back
> to
> > > the
> > > > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in
> a "he
> > > > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven His
> > gospel
> > > > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not
do.
> > This
> > > > is
> > > > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings. This
> is
> > > why
> > > > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
> > religions.
> > > > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
> > though.
> > > > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were
martyred
> by
> > > > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
> > burned?
> > > > WHo
> > > > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans that
> > > plagued
> > > > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God
> showed
> > > > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have ever
> > been
> > > > any
> > > > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the truth
of
> > > > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was
performed
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship
of
> > Mary
> > > > and
> > > > > dead saints for instance)

Really? And just what do you intened to do when you find out that you
are wrong? Interesting to note how everyone speaks of tolerance with
the exception of naming the name of Christ. Just the fact that the
light of God bothers you so much proves the scriptures true. If I had
said that there was no salvation outside of Buddha noone would have
said much if anything at all. However it is the power of God that
sets Christ apart from all others. This power is what no one has
addressed. The reason being is that the darkness has no power to
stand against the light. Yes, you do have the free will to follow
Satan and go to Hell if that is what you choose. But now this, if you
go there remember it is because you have chosen to go there instead
of recieveing the love of God through His only beggotten Son Jesus.He
died to set men free from their sin so that mankind would not have to
be judged for their sin by a righteous and Holy God. His name is
mercy. Where is mercy or power in demons? They do not have any.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> to those who said this bozo 'won' just by getting me to bite...
> you're right. but lies piss me off. propaganda and mindless droning
> piss me off. i had to answer. to the bozo writing (that's you,
> bluecranefist) i can answer this post by saying VERY SIMPLY: you
have
> it precisely backwards. everyone here knows it. you are wasting our
> time and yours. your preschool-style dogmatic arguments convince
only
> yourself and those unfortunate enough to be raised indoctrinated in
> lies. you jump from maintaining the truth of the old testament to
> demonizing those patriarchs as having been 'working for the devil'
> when the facts don't suit you. you are however, quite useful. you
> serve to demonstrate what true ignorance, indoctrination and
> dnagerous rationalization are for those who don't know the anatomy
of
> the psychological phenomenon, and i thank you for that. i will now
> stop wasting space on this valid forum by answering you. i just
hope
> Father gets a chuckle from your lunacy and doesn't take it too
> harshly that his creations can libel him so viciously. but then
> again, he's used to it.
>
> HAIL FATHER!!!
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > No I haven't. In fact many of your father's people have tried to
> > commit sins in the name of the Church in order to attempt to
> tarnish
> > the name of Christ. We could begin with the Judaizers, the
> Agnostics
> > and the Pagans who entered the Church just for that reason. Or
even
> > the hybrid Christian/Pagan Church of Rome who follows your
Father.
> > Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostles ever
> > condoned these activites in the Church Age. However look at Pagan
> > child sacrifice. Ritual rape. The massacre of the Christians in
the
> > Colliseum of Rome. One doesn't have to look very far to see who
the
> > true murderer is. "He was a murderer from the begining and the
> father
> > of lies." Satan is just a jealous liar who leads the easily
> decieved.
> > He expresses His love and power for humanity at the cross and
> > empowers His believers with the Holy Ghost. This is where you
come
> up
> > short.--- In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > you conveniently ignore the incest, massacres, slavery, rape
and
> > > mutilations wrought by your precious saints and 'chosen folk'.
> > > Father's people have not ever needed to crush the souls, minds
> and
> > > bodies of others to show 'power'. the true version of the tales
> > > stolen by jokin' moses are also present and dated, unlike the
> oral
> > > tradition you lay claim to. i say, go and be leeched off of
> forever
> > > by the parasitic, sick entity you arbitrarily accept. i'm gonna
> be
> > > waiting for the 'rapture' with a SAM battery. the judeo/xtian
> > > religion has spread itself through genocide, lies ans
> forgery. 'ye
> > > shall know them by their fruits'. and there certainly are a lot
> of
> > > rotten apples in your basket.
> > >
> > > fruits... hehe. sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > The saints are documented historical persons. Many of which
> have
> > > left
> > > > remains to prove it that we have to this day. Also Moses had
no
> > > > reason tocommit fraud because it was God Himself who
performed
> > the
> > > > miracles by His own power that led Israel out of Egypt. In
the
> > > > plagues Jehovah proved Himself superior to the Pagan gods of
> far
> > > > lesser power. Again, He proves Himself by power. Power holds
> > water.
> > > > Just as Elijah at Mt Carmel had done when Baal could not
answer
> > the
> > > > prayers of his many prophets as compared to the one prophet
of
> > the
> > > > One God. The prophesies that have come true point to the
truth
> of
> > > > Jehovah including the coming of the Messiah Jesus. Later He
> also
> > > > fullfilled His promise by sending the Holy Ghost at pentecost
> to
> > > His
> > > > believers. He will fullfill the rest of His promises as well
> when
> > > the
> > > > world is plunged into tribulation after the rapture of His
> saints
> > > and
> > > > second coming of our Lord takes place.--- In
> > > > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > > in fact the saints are mere reccolections and
> transfigurations
> > of
> > > > > pagan gods, because OY-weh
> > > > > doesn't hold water (snicker) you only know about the 'oral
> > > > tradition'
> > > > > from what's written of it, and i insist that jokin' moses
> > > colluded
> > > > in
> > > > > an immense fraud. the hole-in-one is a fake, and the proof
> was
> > > > > written long before the semitic people were, as such.
> > any 'truth
> > > of
> > > > > history' you have derives through both the people of moses
> and
> > > the
> > > > > catholic church, the ones i cite predate sanskrit.
christian
> > > sects
> > > > > crush knowledge of ancient culture, science, occultism,
> > > > spiritualism
> > > > > and the use of the true power in humanity, the 'likeness'.
> the
> > > doom
> > > > > from eating both trees would most likely have been human. i
> > mean
> > > > > really, who makes these trees (obviously not needing them
in
> > your
> > > > > version) just as bait for doom? your god is either truly
sick
> > or
> > > a
> > > > > fraud. and if you come back with some mysteries of the
faith
> > > > response
> > > > > i'll discontinue my part of the discussion. "how do we
know?
> by
> > > the
> > > > > bow set in the sky.." refraction exists because of god's
> > promise?
> > > > are
> > > > > you a catechist or are you retarded? how many innnocents
were
> > > > > martyred by protestants, catholics, jews and other ehoim-
> adonai-
> > > > > tetragrammaton-allah-"all-in-one" lovers just under
SUSPICION
> > of
> > > > not
> > > > > holding the same viewpoint? the histories you read are
> heavily
> > > > > weighted by the opinion of the writers. ceasar wrote
> > > disparigangly
> > > > of
> > > > > the gaul's spiritualism in 'de bellum..' but the title
> > explicates
> > > > his
> > > > > viewpoint, that of the conquerer. yet he studied them
> > profoundly
> > > > for
> > > > > his own use. born-agians come into a faith that is already
> > > running
> > > > on
> > > > > empty, a hopeless frankenstein's monster of older
histories,
> > > forms
> > > > of
> > > > > faith, philosophies and divine knowledge that tried
pitifully
> > to
> > > > > claim that everything obviously preceeding it is both false
> and
> > > > > created later. it's like saying scientists buried the
> dinosaur
> > > > > fossils and perpetuated fraud because they don't fit your
> very
> > > > > arbitrary world view. get out of bible class and read more
> than
> > > > > what's on the comtemporary christian author's list. not
only
> do
> > > > they
> > > > > not have an exlusive on truth, they actually squelch it
> > whenever
> > > > > possible. christianity only ever reached us because it was
a
> > > > > convenient tool of power and manipulation for constantine.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com,
bluecranefist
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > The oral tradition of the flood that was penned by Moses
> > > predates
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Pagan explanation. In fact, it was the king Nimrod who
> first
> > > > began
> > > > > to
> > > > > > twist the oral history of the flood that Jehovah caused.
> How
> > do
> > > > we
> > > > > > know that it was Jehovah that performed the flood?
Because
> He
> > > set
> > > > > his
> > > > > > bow in the sky as a covenant with Noah that He would
never
> > > flood
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Earth again. Both trees were not deadly. One was the tree
> of
> > > life
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
> God
> > > > > > banished Adam and Eve so that they could not eat of the
> first
> > > > tree
> > > > > > after eating the second or they and their seed would be
> > > eternally
> > > > > > doomed. It was an act of love from God to man that He
gave
> > the
> > > > > first
> > > > > > sacrifice for their sin in blood and He did the final job
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > cross that breaks the power of sin. Again, it all goes
back
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > power. To be truthful mankind can endlessly speculate in
> > a "he
> > > > > > said /she said" sort of debate. However God has proven
His
> > > gospel
> > > > > > with signs wonders and power that the pagan gods can not
> do.
> > > This
> > > > > is
> > > > > > what sets Christianity apart from all other teachings.
This
> > is
> > > > why
> > > > > > Christianity does not sit upon the same shelf as other
> > > religions.
> > > > > > Funny you should mention the crusades and the inquisition
> > > though.
> > > > > > Question: exactly how many Jews and Christians were
> martyred
> > by
> > > > > > Pagans? Have you ever heard that Nero fiddled while Rome
> > > burned?
> > > > > WHo
> > > > > > did he falsely blame the fire on? How about the Pagans
that
> > > > plagued
> > > > > > the Jews? The Egyptians who enslaved the Jews until God
> > showed
> > > > > > Himself strong on their behalf? To say that Pagan have
ever
> > > been
> > > > > any
> > > > > > better than Roman Catholicism is simply ignoring the
truth
> of
> > > > > > history. Also the crusades and the inquisition was
> performed
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > Roamn Church that is itself deeply Pagan. (ie:the worship
> of
> > > Mary
> > > > > and
> > > > > > dead saints for instance)

dude, once again you are using simple demogogic rambling. that last
post said absolutely nothing. do you even KNOW any demons? the evil
of god is evident even in the bible. ever read that? it's a good
read, lemme tell you. you are talking out of your arse. never seen no
light of god, doesn't scare me a bit. people like YOU scare me. it's
people with reasoning abilities (or lack thereof) akin to yours that
strap on bombs and kill innocent "infidels". how evangelical. you
speak of the massacred carried out by butchers like jokin' moses and
elijah as just and a demonstration of the power and love of god. ever
heard of satanic priests massacring xtians? the god of true love and
power does not need mass murder. that god is EnKi the "prince of this
world" as even the "sacred scriptures" recognize his title to be.

bhudda preached absence of emotion as the road to godhead. truly a
negation of the human spirit. go ahead and come at me with some of
that dogma too, i am ready. i just don't think you have any of it.
don't mention stuff you know nothing about as you will always come
off as the idiot you are

  (i have read the eight pillars, the bible, the "satanic bible"
(bleah), and a good portion of the al-qur'an. i have a 176 IQ and am
not part of any 'cult' activities or brainwashing as you evidently
are. you are not talking to an idiot so GET THEE OVER THYSELF)

what do i intend to do? WHEN i find out i'm wrong? what the HELL DOES
THAT MEAN?! according to your lame and limping dogma i should just
roast in the lake of fire... i have no further choice in the matter,
right? or would your fictitious all-in-one realize the mistake of
putting intelligent people in a world where everything contradicts
this fake-ass shit you push? no, yogurtva is never wrong, right?

you talk a lot about how the demons and Father ARE but your ONLY info
comes from your dogma, written by people who instrumentalised faith
for power. if it had not been for constantine's self-serving use of
the cult of cripes you would never have heard of jesùs. you buy all
that crap you've been fed? then if you had lived in italy during the
ventennio you would've believed communists ate babies. dux-lux lah-
dee-dah.

the only "evil temptation" i succumb to is answering empty shell
demogogues like yourself when you would be better ignored, but seeing
as Father is all about truth and learning i feel it as MY 'crusade'
to shoot down senseless babble when i see it.
(pentacleade sounds like a non carbonated soft drink so i won't coin
the term)

if you can't contribute some sort of sensible theological,
philosophical, linguistic, historic, or logical discussion i think
that your contribution to this thread is truly empty. you've put
forth absolutely nothing but empty platitudes since the start and
merely repeat the same mantra of "god is light and love, demons are
evil" endlessly. i could avoid wasting my time and precious calories
punching keys to illuminate you, but my part of the argument actually
has a basis in fact and logic. i think you are trying to convince
yourself more than anyone else. you say that Crépes died so we
wouldn't be judged then waste a lot of characters to judge others.
typical crispyan hypocrisy.

so what are YOU going to do when you find out you're wrong?


--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "dumbasscrispycritteran"<nobra
in@...>...> wrote:
> Really? And just what do you intened to do when you find out that
you
> are wrong? Interesting to note how everyone speaks of tolerance
with
> the exception of naming the name of Christ. Just the fact that the
> light of God bothers you so much proves the scriptures true. If I
had
> said that there was no salvation outside of Buddha noone would have
> said much if anything at all. However it is the power of God that
> sets Christ apart from all others. This power is what no one has
> addressed. The reason being is that the darkness has no power to
> stand against the light. Yes, you do have the free will to follow
> Satan and go to Hell if that is what you choose. But now this, if
you
> go there remember it is because you have chosen to go there instead
> of recieveing the love of God through His only beggotten Son
Jesus.He
> died to set men free from their sin so that mankind would not have
to
> be judged for their sin by a righteous and Holy God. His name is
> mercy. Where is mercy or power in demons? They do not have any.---
In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > to those who said this bozo 'won' just by getting me to bite...
> > you're right. but lies piss me off. propaganda and mindless
droning
> > piss me off. i had to answer. to the bozo writing (that's you,
> > bluecranefist) i can answer this post by saying VERY SIMPLY: you
> have
> > it precisely backwards. everyone here knows it. you are wasting
our
> > time and yours.

Yes, I have read the Bible. Even more I understand it. Reading and
understanding are not always the same thing are they? I have seen the
love of God crucufied for me on the cross of Christ. The goodness of
God is displayed in His Gospel which sets the soul free, heals the
sick and delivers tortured minds into a peace that surpases all
understanding. Satan would never die for you. No demon would ever die
for you. In fact all they want is for you to die. Christ is life and
He proved it by raising from the dead on the third day. Over 500
witnessed the risen Christ. His message of life continues even till
this day because He said that "Heaven and Earth would pass away but
His Word would last forever." And despite the Roman Church which
persecuted the saints and even burned men like William Tynesdale for
translating and distributing the Word of God His Word marches on.---
In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> dude, once again you are using simple demogogic rambling. that last
> post said absolutely nothing. do you even KNOW any demons? the evil
> of god is evident even in the bible. ever read that? it's a good
> read, lemme tell you. you are talking out of your arse. never seen
no
> light of god, doesn't scare me a bit. people like YOU scare me.
it's
> people with reasoning abilities (or lack thereof) akin to yours
that
> strap on bombs and kill innocent "infidels". how evangelical. you
> speak of the massacred carried out by butchers like jokin' moses
and
> elijah as just and a demonstration of the power and love of god.
ever
> heard of satanic priests massacring xtians? the god of true love
and
> power does not need mass murder. that god is EnKi the "prince of
this
> world" as even the "sacred scriptures" recognize his title to be.
>
> bhudda preached absence of emotion as the road to godhead. truly a
> negation of the human spirit. go ahead and come at me with some of
> that dogma too, i am ready. i just don't think you have any of it.
> don't mention stuff you know nothing about as you will always come
> off as the idiot you are
>
>  (i have read the eight pillars, the bible, the "satanic bible"
> (bleah), and a good portion of the al-qur'an. i have a 176 IQ and
am
> not part of any 'cult' activities or brainwashing as you evidently
> are. you are not talking to an idiot so GET THEE OVER THYSELF)
>
> what do i intend to do? WHEN i find out i'm wrong? what the HELL
DOES
> THAT MEAN?! according to your lame and limping dogma i should just
> roast in the lake of fire... i have no further choice in the
matter,
> right? or would your fictitious all-in-one realize the mistake of
> putting intelligent people in a world where everything contradicts
> this fake-ass shit you push? no, yogurtva is never wrong, right?
>
> you talk a lot about how the demons and Father ARE but your ONLY
info
> comes from your dogma, written by people who instrumentalised faith
> for power. if it had not been for constantine's self-serving use of
> the cult of cripes you would never have heard of jesùs. you buy all
> that crap you've been fed? then if you had lived in italy during
the
> ventennio you would've believed communists ate babies. dux-lux lah-
> dee-dah.
>
> the only "evil temptation" i succumb to is answering empty shell
> demogogues like yourself when you would be better ignored, but
seeing
> as Father is all about truth and learning i feel it as MY 'crusade'
> to shoot down senseless babble when i see it.
> (pentacleade sounds like a non carbonated soft drink so i won't
coin
> the term)
>
> if you can't contribute some sort of sensible theological,
> philosophical, linguistic, historic, or logical discussion i think
> that your contribution to this thread is truly empty. you've put
> forth absolutely nothing but empty platitudes since the start and
> merely repeat the same mantra of "god is light and love, demons are
> evil" endlessly. i could avoid wasting my time and precious
calories
> punching keys to illuminate you, but my part of the argument
actually
> has a basis in fact and logic. i think you are trying to convince
> yourself more than anyone else. you say that Crépes died so we
> wouldn't be judged then waste a lot of characters to judge others.
> typical crispyan hypocrisy.
>
> so what are YOU going to do when you find out you're wrong?
>
>
> --- In
>
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "dumbasscrispycritteran"<nobra
> in@c...>...> wrote:
> > Really? And just what do you intened to do when you find out that
> you
> > are wrong? Interesting to note how everyone speaks of tolerance
> with
> > the exception of naming the name of Christ. Just the fact that
the
> > light of God bothers you so much proves the scriptures true. If I
> had
> > said that there was no salvation outside of Buddha noone would
have
> > said much if anything at all. However it is the power of God that
> > sets Christ apart from all others. This power is what no one has
> > addressed. The reason being is that the darkness has no power to
> > stand against the light. Yes, you do have the free will to follow
> > Satan and go to Hell if that is what you choose. But now this, if
> you
> > go there remember it is because you have chosen to go there
instead
> > of recieveing the love of God through His only beggotten Son
> Jesus.He
> > died to set men free from their sin so that mankind would not
have
> to
> > be judged for their sin by a righteous and Holy God. His name is
> > mercy. Where is mercy or power in demons? They do not have any.---

> In
> > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > to those who said this bozo 'won' just by getting me to bite...
> > > you're right. but lies piss me off. propaganda and mindless
> droning
> > > piss me off. i had to answer. to the bozo writing (that's you,
> > > bluecranefist) i can answer this post by saying VERY SIMPLY:
you
> > have
> > > it precisely backwards. everyone here knows it. you are wasting
> our
> > > time and yours.

dude you are so full of it. your 'understanding' evidently consists
of ignoring all the contradictions in the book and anything else that
doesn't serve your holier-than thou attitude. explain exactly how the
gospel "sets the soul free, heals the sick and delivers tortured
minds into a peace that surpases all understanding."

and by "i understand it" (the bible) you mean that you rationalize
it, no doubt. no way you can have really read it and accept it. i
went cover to cover on that bitch and it's got more holes in it than
the victims of the iron maiden.

christ certainly did not invent the 'back from the dead' speil, so if
i have to go with the original return from the abyss for love i'll go
with Inanna (astaroth to you).

which demon exactly told you they want humans dead? shall we discuss
your buddy gabriel? "Archangel" gabriel. wanted dead or dead for:
infanticide, rape, slander and use of weapons of mass destruction.
you know what we do to people like that nowadays? delouse,
interrogate and put on trial. oh, yeah, and make fun of on late night
talk shows.

what exactly did I do to need a man nailed to a tree to free me from
tha blame of? how does that free me? what the fuck changed? your
declarations don't hold water at all, just brainwashed rambling. why
would your false god or his worthless son leave intelligent people in
the dark so that they could question stories that don't hold up to
the light of reason only to damn them for not having believed? sounds
like a very, very sick dude to me.  gimme the list of the 500 at the
golgotha so i can have a word or two with them. i wanna do some
investigative reporting on this scam.

the goodness of god is displayed in his gospel. man, i have LIBRARIES
of propaganda literature for YOU.... you seem like the type who bites.

plus there are a few bridges in my posession that i'll sell you dirt
cheap, no joke! believe me! my word is love and it is true!! LOL you
are truly good for some comic relief in my otherwise tedious day,
keep it coming!

but, out of a sense of sympathy i give you this. you don't deserve it
and you won't read it, but at least i gave it. as Father says "I
provide as you can handle" though small minds like yours can only
process the drivel you've soaked up and keep spewing here. i guess
logic is a sin in your eyes, eh?

http://mythofjesus.org.uk/
http://halexandria.org/
http://joyofsatan.com/
zecharia stichin, the twelfth planet
zecharia stichin, the lost book of enki
the pentateuch
the al-qur'an
the bible
the eight pillars of wisdom
any fucking primer on logic and critical thinking
(if your "faith" allows it)

^^complete the above reading list, then we can actually talk, ok?^^

may the peace, love and understanding of Father be with you. yes,
even you. dumbass.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Yes, I have read the Bible. Even more I understand it. Reading and
> understanding are not always the same thing are they? I have seen
the
> love of God crucufied for me on the cross of Christ. The goodness
of
> God is displayed in His Gospel which sets the soul free, heals the
> sick and delivers tortured minds into a peace that surpases all
> understanding. Satan would never die for you. No demon would ever
die
> for you. In fact all they want is for you to die. Christ is life
and
> He proved it by raising from the dead on the third day. Over 500
> witnessed the risen Christ. His message of life continues even till
> this day because He said that "Heaven and Earth would pass away but
> His Word would last forever." And despite the Roman Church which
> persecuted the saints and even burned men like William Tynesdale
for
> translating and distributing the Word of God His Word marches on.---

> In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > dude, once again you are using simple demogogic rambling. that
last
> > post said absolutely nothing. do you even KNOW any demons? the
evil
> > of god is evident even in the bible. ever read that? it's a good
> > read, lemme tell you. you are talking out of your arse. never
seen
> no
> > light of god, doesn't scare me a bit. people like YOU scare me.
> it's
> > people with reasoning abilities (or lack thereof) akin to yours
> that
> > strap on bombs and kill innocent "infidels". how evangelical. you
> > speak of the massacred carried out by butchers like jokin' moses
> and
> > elijah as just and a demonstration of the power and love of god.
> ever
> > heard of satanic priests massacring xtians? the god of true love
> and
> > power does not need mass murder. that god is EnKi the "prince of
> this
> > world" as even the "sacred scriptures" recognize his title to be.
> >
> > bhudda preached absence of emotion as the road to godhead. truly
a
> > negation of the human spirit. go ahead and come at me with some
of
> > that dogma too, i am ready. i just don't think you have any of
it.
> > don't mention stuff you know nothing about as you will always
come
> > off as the idiot you are
> >
> >  (i have read the eight pillars, the bible, the "satanic bible"
> > (bleah), and a good portion of the al-qur'an. i have a 176 IQ and
> am
> > not part of any 'cult' activities or brainwashing as you
evidently
> > are. you are not talking to an idiot so GET THEE OVER THYSELF)
> >
> > what do i intend to do? WHEN i find out i'm wrong? what the HELL
> DOES
> > THAT MEAN?! according to your lame and limping dogma i should
just
> > roast in the lake of fire... i have no further choice in the
> matter,
> > right? or would your fictitious all-in-one realize the mistake of
> > putting intelligent people in a world where everything
contradicts
> > this fake-ass shit you push? no, yogurtva is never wrong, right?
> >
> > you talk a lot about how the demons and Father ARE but your ONLY
> info
> > comes from your dogma, written by people who instrumentalised
faith
> > for power. if it had not been for constantine's self-serving use
of
> > the cult of cripes you would never have heard of jesùs. you buy
all
> > that crap you've been fed? then if you had lived in italy during
> the
> > ventennio you would've believed communists ate babies. dux-lux
lah-
> > dee-dah.
> >
> > the only "evil temptation" i succumb to is answering empty shell
> > demogogues like yourself when you would be better ignored, but
> seeing
> > as Father is all about truth and learning i feel it as
MY 'crusade'
> > to shoot down senseless babble when i see it.
> > (pentacleade sounds like a non carbonated soft drink so i won't
> coin
> > the term)
> >
> > if you can't contribute some sort of sensible theological,
> > philosophical, linguistic, historic, or logical discussion i
think
> > that your contribution to this thread is truly empty. you've put
> > forth absolutely nothing but empty platitudes since the start and
> > merely repeat the same mantra of "god is light and love, demons
are
> > evil" endlessly. i could avoid wasting my time and precious
> calories
> > punching keys to illuminate you, but my part of the argument
> actually
> > has a basis in fact and logic. i think you are trying to convince
> > yourself more than anyone else. you say that Crépes died so we
> > wouldn't be judged then waste a lot of characters to judge
others.
> > typical crispyan hypocrisy.
> >
> > so what are YOU going to do when you find out you're wrong?
> >
> >
> > --- In
> >
>
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "dumbasscrispycritteran"<nobra
> > in@c...>...> wrote:
> > > Really? And just what do you intened to do when you find out
that
> > you
> > > are wrong? Interesting to note how everyone speaks of tolerance
> > with
> > > the exception of naming the name of Christ. Just the fact that
> the
> > > light of God bothers you so much proves the scriptures true. If
I
> > had
> > > said that there was no salvation outside of Buddha noone would
> have
> > > said much if anything at all. However it is the power of God
that
> > > sets Christ apart from all others. This power is what no one
has
> > > addressed. The reason being is that the darkness has no power
to
> > > stand against the light. Yes, you do have the free will to
follow
> > > Satan and go to Hell if that is what you choose. But now this,
if
> > you
> > > go there remember it is because you have chosen to go there
> instead
> > > of recieveing the love of God through His only beggotten Son
> > Jesus.He
> > > died to set men free from their sin so that mankind would not
> have
> > to
> > > be judged for their sin by a righteous and Holy God. His name
is
> > > mercy. Where is mercy or power in demons? They do not have any.-
--
>
> > In
> > > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > to those who said this bozo 'won' just by getting me to
bite...
> > > > you're right. but lies piss me off. propaganda and mindless
> > droning
> > > > piss me off. i had to answer. to the bozo writing (that's
you,
> > > > bluecranefist) i can answer this post by saying VERY SIMPLY:
> you
> > > have
> > > > it precisely backwards. everyone here knows it. you are
wasting
> > our
> > > > time and yours.

we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a crap
about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here. MY
contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be convinced of
the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling intentional, as if
you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly locked
into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read ALL that
shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be wasting
EVERYONE'S time.

and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))

sincerely,
Zejith Themis,
cydonia's green grocer
666 AbZu lane,
Sheol 0240666

Hello,

Let me present you something that you don't use to talk about :
the ET presence.

THOUSANDS OF WITNESSES CONFIRM THEIR EXISTENCE.

It is so important for yourselves and the people around you that I
dare today to introduce a WORLDWIDE REFERENDUM. It is not my nature
to bore someone else, and I hope I don't, but after the reading of
the message below (short version) you will understand what can occur
in our near future.

Whatever your interests are, don't underestimate the consequences of
your own choice for your own life. Everyone is directly concerned because
EVERYBODY IS HUMAN. THAT IS WHY YOU RECEIVE IT HERE AND NOW.
It is not a simple message, not only an other one among thousands
you have already received. This is a worldwide phenomenon ! The ET's
question is very simple :
DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?

A message has been telepathically received from ETs by a French jet
pilot, air traffic controller and airport manager, master in
economic sciences in new technologies. He actually works with
scientists (physicists) on the 3D time theory he has also
telepathically received from ETs. This theory is going to be a
scientific revolution. He uses a pseudonymous not to get publicity.
Hundreds of thousands people have reacted.

Just see all the available message translations (original long version : 11
pages) here :

http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/

The ET's deal is simple : "you don't have enough ET evidences, ask
us to give them to you, but be ready to change or abandon radically
your beliefs and points of view in order to become a real self-
empowered human fraternity able to get dangers far away".

Please, give you the time to read and read again this message.

Writers, analysts and reporters have already seriously considered
this ET message as a new turn for Humanity.
If you desire to discover dozens of links (websites, forums and
initiatives in more than twelve languages) speaking about the
message go to the above url second page :

http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/links.html

In addition, a discussion group has been created for those who have
requested to participate actively to the spreading of this historical
extraterrestrial communication :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meetetnow01/?yguid=171003091


Please, circulate this extraordinary message.

Sincerely,

A reader among others.

PS1 : Here is the list of the 57 countries where the message has
already been read for the moment :
France , Denmark , Brazil , Canada , Italy , Australia , United
States , Austria , Mexico , United Kingdom , Netherlands , Belgium ,
Germany , Argentina , Switzerland , New Zealand , Japan , Spain,
Sweden, Finland, Israel , Norway , Turkey , Estonia , Czech
Republic, Greece , Malta , Peru , Croatia , Uruguay , Poland ,
Chile , Romania , South Africa , Indonesia , Hong Kong , Hungary ,
Venezuela, Colombia , Bulgaria , Luxembourg , Saudi Arabia ,
Lithuania , Portugal , Singapore , Paraguay , Guatemala,
Philippines , Thailand , Malaysia , Costa Rica , SIovenia ,
Dominica , Lebanon , Dominican Republic , United Arab Emirates,
Russia.

PS2 : The ET's message (short version = selection of sentences from
the original version : 11 pages) :

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?" (short version)

Consider this message as a worldwide referendum! And your answer as
a ballot!

Who are we ?

What in your history seemed ridiculous or improbable has often
become possible, then realised, in particular in the last fifty
years. We are conscious creatures that some name "extra-
terrestrials", even though reality is subtler.
There is no fundamental difference between you and us, save for the
experience of certain stages of evolution. Like most of you, we are
in the quest of the Supreme Being. We have no human representative
on Earth who could guide your decision.

Why aren't we visible ?

Structured DEMATERIALISATION and materialisation are part of new
forms of science beyond the apparent control of matter. That you
call `UFOs, there are essentially multidimensional manufactured
spaceships that apply these capacities.
For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the
exercise of power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is
motivated by their will to keep their existence and seizure unknown.
For us, discretion is motivated by the respect of the human free
will that people can exercise to manage their own affairs so that
they can reach technical and spiritual maturity on their own.
Humankind's entrance into the family of galactic civilisations is
greatly expected.
We can appear in broad daylight and help you attain this union. We
haven't done it so far, as too few of you have genuinely desired it,
because of ignorance, indifference or fear, and because the
emergency of the situation did not justify it.
Who are you ?
You are the offspring of many traditions that throughout time have
been mutually enriched by each others' contributions. The appearance
of your cultures seems to keep you separated because you substitute
it to your deeper being. Shape is now more important than the
essence of your subtle nature.
For the powers in place, this prevalence of the shape constitutes
the ramparts against any form of jeopardy.
You are being called on to overcome shape while still respecting it
for its richness and beauty. Peace does not mean not making war, it
consists in becoming what you are in reality: a same Fraternity.

What is your situation ?

Your history has never ceased to be marked by encounters between
peoples who had to discover one another in conditions that were
often conflictual. Earth has now become a village where everyone
knows everyone else but still conflicts persist and threats of all
kinds get worse in duration and intensity.
Your thoughts and beliefs are modelled after partisan interests to
turn you into slaves while at the same time giving you the feeling
that you are in total control of your destiny, which in essence is
the reality.
Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded irreversible limits.
The scarcity of resources and their unfair distribution - resources
which entry price will rise day after day - will bring about
fratricide fights at a large scale, but also at the very heart of
your cities and countrysides.
Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you
confident in your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass
is insufficient and a sabotage work is cleverly being carried out.
Tribes, populations and human nations have always encountered and
interacted with one another. Faced with the threats weighing upon
the human family, it is perhaps time that a greater interaction
occurred.

Who are the "third party" ?

There are two ways to establish a cosmic contact with another
civilisation: via its standing representatives or directly with
individuals without distinction. The first way entails fights of
interests, the second way brings awareness.
The first way was chosen by a group of races motivated by keeping
mankind in slavery, thereby controlling Earth resources, the gene
pool and human emotional energy.
The second way was chosen by a group of races allied with the cause
of the Spirit of service.
That is why today individuals are to make this choice by themselves
without any representative interfering. Peace and reunification of
your peoples would be a first step toward the harmony with
civilisations other than yours.
That is precisely what those who manipulate you behind the scenes
want to avoid at all cost because, by dividing, they reign! They
also reign over those who govern you. Their strength comes from
their capacity to distillate mistrust and fear into you. This
considerably harms your very cosmic nature.
Being aware of the priceless value of free will, we are inviting you
to an alternative.

What can we offer ?

WE CAN offer you a more holistic vision of the universe and of life,
constructive interactions, the experience of fair and fraternal
relationships, liberating technical knowledge, eradiction of
suffering, controlled exercise of individual powers, the access to
new forms of energy and, finally, a better comprehension of
CONSCIOUSNESS.

WE CANNOT help you overcome your individual and collective fears, or
bring you laws that you would not have chosen, work on your own
selves, individual and collective effort to build the world you
desire, the spirit of quest to new skies.

What would we receive ?

Should you decide that such a contact takes place, we would rejoice
over the safeguarding of fraternal equilibrium in this region of the
universe, fruitful diplomatic exchanges, and the intense Joy of
knowing that you are united to accomplish what you are capable of.
The feeling of JOY is strongly sought in the universe for its energy
is divine.

What is the question we ask you ?

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"

How to can you answer this question ?

The truth of soul can be read by telepathy. This is why you should
calmly think about it, in all conscience. Do not rush to answer.
Breathe and let all the power of your own free will penetrate you.
You only need to give your answer, YES or NO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
ASKING THE QUESTION !
In your own private polling booth of your secret will, you will
determine the future.

What is the lever effect ?

This decision should be made by the greatest number among you, even
though it might seem like a minority. This request is one of the
most intimate that can be asked to you.
If you really want to cling to your beliefs, which is something that
we understand, then say NO. If you do not know what to choose, do
not say YES because of mere curiosity.
Your history has plenty of episodes when determined men and women
were able to influence the thread of events in spite of their small
number. Just like a small number is enough to take temporal power on
Earth and influence the future of the majority, a small number of
you can radically change your fate as an answer to the impotence in
face of so much inertia and hurdles ! You can ease the mankind's
birth to Brotherhood.

What would be the consequences of a positive decision ?

For us, the immediate consequence of a collective favourable
decision would be the materialisation of many ships, in your sky and
on Earth.
For you, the direct effect would be the rapid abandoning of many
certitudes and beliefs. Concretely, you would change the scale of
your values !
Later on, peaceful and respectful exchanges would be thus possible
if such is your wish. For now, he who is hungry cannot smile, he who
is fearful cannot welcome us. We are sad to see men, women and
children suffering to such a degree in their flesh and in their
hearts when they bear such an inner light.
The main difference between your daily prayers to entities of a
strictly spiritual nature and your current decision is extremely
simple :
we are technically equipped to materialise!

Why such a historical dilemma ?

We know that "foreigners" are considered as enemies as long as they
embody the "unknown". In a first stage, the emotion that our
appearance will generate will strengthen your relationships on a
worldwide scale.

How could you know whether our arrival is the consequence of your
collective choice ? For the simple reason that we would have
otherwise been already there for a long time at your level of
existence ! If we are not there yet, it is because you have not made
such a decision explicitely.
How could you be certain that this is not yet another subtle
manoeuvre of the "third party" to better enslave you ? Because one
always more efficiently fights something that is identified than the
contrary.
Whatever, you are the sole judge in your own heart and soul ! Do you
want to see us with your own eyes, or simply believe what your
thinkers say ? That is the real question!

You are still the architects of your own fate...

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"

Complete original message on www.geocities.com/meetetnow/

IF YOU WISH THEM TO SHOW UP :

You have to know that an increasing number of persons from
everywhere, from all religions, workers and doctors, poors and
richs, every one agreeing the ET proposal, participate to a
worldwide Global First Contact Experiment which will involve a
series of weekly visualizations details of the first of which are as
follows:
(Go to : http://www.exopolitics.org/First-Contact.htm )

Visualization:

Imagine yourself being asked by benevolent extraterrestrials the
question: "Do You Wish That We Show Up?" Say 'yes'! Then instantly
imagine luminous extraterrestrial ships appearing high over every
city of the planet for a period lasting seven days and nights. The
ships perform light displays that indicate universal greetings of
peace, joy and fraternity Š








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your words
alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For everyone
that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil. For
everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light,
lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the
light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought in
God."--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a crap
> about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here. MY
> contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be convinced of
> the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling intentional, as
if
> you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly locked
> into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read ALL
that
> shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be wasting
> EVERYONE'S time.
>
> and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
>
> sincerely,
> Zejith Themis,
> cydonia's green grocer
> 666 AbZu lane,
> Sheol 0240666

I believe in aliens. Thousands of illegal immigrants from Mexico.---
In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, alexlaugham
<alexlaugham@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Let me present you something that you don't use to talk about :
> the ET presence.
>
> THOUSANDS OF WITNESSES CONFIRM THEIR EXISTENCE.
>
> It is so important for yourselves and the people around you that I
> dare today to introduce a WORLDWIDE REFERENDUM. It is not my nature
> to bore someone else, and I hope I don't, but after the reading of
> the message below (short version) you will understand what can occur
> in our near future.
>
> Whatever your interests are, don't underestimate the consequences of
> your own choice for your own life. Everyone is directly concerned
because
> EVERYBODY IS HUMAN. THAT IS WHY YOU RECEIVE IT HERE AND NOW.
> It is not a simple message, not only an other one among thousands
> you have already received. This is a worldwide phenomenon ! The ET's
> question is very simple :
> DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?
>
> A message has been telepathically received from ETs by a French jet
> pilot, air traffic controller and airport manager, master in
> economic sciences in new technologies. He actually works with
> scientists (physicists) on the 3D time theory he has also
> telepathically received from ETs. This theory is going to be a
> scientific revolution. He uses a pseudonymous not to get publicity.
> Hundreds of thousands people have reacted.
>
> Just see all the available message translations (original long
version : 11
> pages) here :
>
> http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/
>
> The ET's deal is simple : "you don't have enough ET evidences, ask
> us to give them to you, but be ready to change or abandon radically
> your beliefs and points of view in order to become a real self-
> empowered human fraternity able to get dangers far away".
>
> Please, give you the time to read and read again this message.
>
> Writers, analysts and reporters have already seriously considered
> this ET message as a new turn for Humanity.
> If you desire to discover dozens of links (websites, forums and
> initiatives in more than twelve languages) speaking about the
> message go to the above url second page :
>
> http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/links.html
>
> In addition, a discussion group has been created for those who have
> requested to participate actively to the spreading of this
historical
> extraterrestrial communication :
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meetetnow01/?yguid=171003091
>
>
> Please, circulate this extraordinary message.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> A reader among others.
>
> PS1 : Here is the list of the 57 countries where the message has
> already been read for the moment :
> France , Denmark , Brazil , Canada , Italy , Australia , United
> States , Austria , Mexico , United Kingdom , Netherlands , Belgium ,
> Germany , Argentina , Switzerland , New Zealand , Japan , Spain,
> Sweden, Finland, Israel , Norway , Turkey , Estonia , Czech
> Republic, Greece , Malta , Peru , Croatia , Uruguay , Poland ,
> Chile , Romania , South Africa , Indonesia , Hong Kong , Hungary ,
> Venezuela, Colombia , Bulgaria , Luxembourg , Saudi Arabia ,
> Lithuania , Portugal , Singapore , Paraguay , Guatemala,
> Philippines , Thailand , Malaysia , Costa Rica , SIovenia ,
> Dominica , Lebanon , Dominican Republic , United Arab Emirates,
> Russia.
>
> PS2 : The ET's message (short version = selection of sentences from
> the original version : 11 pages) :
>
> "DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?" (short version)
>
> Consider this message as a worldwide referendum! And your answer as
> a ballot!
>
> Who are we ?
>
> What in your history seemed ridiculous or improbable has often
> become possible, then realised, in particular in the last fifty
> years. We are conscious creatures that some name "extra-
> terrestrials", even though reality is subtler.
> There is no fundamental difference between you and us, save for the
> experience of certain stages of evolution. Like most of you, we are
> in the quest of the Supreme Being. We have no human representative
> on Earth who could guide your decision.
>
> Why aren't we visible ?
>
> Structured DEMATERIALISATION and materialisation are part of new
> forms of science beyond the apparent control of matter. That you
> call `UFOs, there are essentially multidimensional manufactured
> spaceships that apply these capacities.
> For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the
> exercise of power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is
> motivated by their will to keep their existence and seizure unknown.
> For us, discretion is motivated by the respect of the human free
> will that people can exercise to manage their own affairs so that
> they can reach technical and spiritual maturity on their own.
> Humankind's entrance into the family of galactic civilisations is
> greatly expected.
> We can appear in broad daylight and help you attain this union. We
> haven't done it so far, as too few of you have genuinely desired it,
> because of ignorance, indifference or fear, and because the
> emergency of the situation did not justify it.
> Who are you ?
> You are the offspring of many traditions that throughout time have
> been mutually enriched by each others' contributions. The appearance
> of your cultures seems to keep you separated because you substitute
> it to your deeper being. Shape is now more important than the
> essence of your subtle nature.
> For the powers in place, this prevalence of the shape constitutes
> the ramparts against any form of jeopardy.
> You are being called on to overcome shape while still respecting it
> for its richness and beauty. Peace does not mean not making war, it
> consists in becoming what you are in reality: a same Fraternity.
>
> What is your situation ?
>
> Your history has never ceased to be marked by encounters between
> peoples who had to discover one another in conditions that were
> often conflictual. Earth has now become a village where everyone
> knows everyone else but still conflicts persist and threats of all
> kinds get worse in duration and intensity.
> Your thoughts and beliefs are modelled after partisan interests to
> turn you into slaves while at the same time giving you the feeling
> that you are in total control of your destiny, which in essence is
> the reality.
> Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded irreversible limits.
> The scarcity of resources and their unfair distribution - resources
> which entry price will rise day after day - will bring about
> fratricide fights at a large scale, but also at the very heart of
> your cities and countrysides.
> Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you
> confident in your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass
> is insufficient and a sabotage work is cleverly being carried out.
> Tribes, populations and human nations have always encountered and
> interacted with one another. Faced with the threats weighing upon
> the human family, it is perhaps time that a greater interaction
> occurred.
>
> Who are the "third party" ?
>
> There are two ways to establish a cosmic contact with another
> civilisation: via its standing representatives or directly with
> individuals without distinction. The first way entails fights of
> interests, the second way brings awareness.
> The first way was chosen by a group of races motivated by keeping
> mankind in slavery, thereby controlling Earth resources, the gene
> pool and human emotional energy.
> The second way was chosen by a group of races allied with the cause
> of the Spirit of service.
> That is why today individuals are to make this choice by themselves
> without any representative interfering. Peace and reunification of
> your peoples would be a first step toward the harmony with
> civilisations other than yours.
> That is precisely what those who manipulate you behind the scenes
> want to avoid at all cost because, by dividing, they reign! They
> also reign over those who govern you. Their strength comes from
> their capacity to distillate mistrust and fear into you. This
> considerably harms your very cosmic nature.
> Being aware of the priceless value of free will, we are inviting you
> to an alternative.
>
> What can we offer ?
>
> WE CAN offer you a more holistic vision of the universe and of life,
> constructive interactions, the experience of fair and fraternal
> relationships, liberating technical knowledge, eradiction of
> suffering, controlled exercise of individual powers, the access to
> new forms of energy and, finally, a better comprehension of
> CONSCIOUSNESS.
>
> WE CANNOT help you overcome your individual and collective fears, or
> bring you laws that you would not have chosen, work on your own
> selves, individual and collective effort to build the world you
> desire, the spirit of quest to new skies.
>
> What would we receive ?
>
> Should you decide that such a contact takes place, we would rejoice
> over the safeguarding of fraternal equilibrium in this region of the
> universe, fruitful diplomatic exchanges, and the intense Joy of
> knowing that you are united to accomplish what you are capable of.
> The feeling of JOY is strongly sought in the universe for its energy
> is divine.
>
> What is the question we ask you ?
>
> "DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"
>
> How to can you answer this question ?
>
> The truth of soul can be read by telepathy. This is why you should
> calmly think about it, in all conscience. Do not rush to answer.
> Breathe and let all the power of your own free will penetrate you.
> You only need to give your answer, YES or NO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
> ASKING THE QUESTION !
> In your own private polling booth of your secret will, you will
> determine the future.
>
> What is the lever effect ?
>
> This decision should be made by the greatest number among you, even
> though it might seem like a minority. This request is one of the
> most intimate that can be asked to you.
> If you really want to cling to your beliefs, which is something that
> we understand, then say NO. If you do not know what to choose, do
> not say YES because of mere curiosity.
> Your history has plenty of episodes when determined men and women
> were able to influence the thread of events in spite of their small
> number. Just like a small number is enough to take temporal power on
> Earth and influence the future of the majority, a small number of
> you can radically change your fate as an answer to the impotence in
> face of so much inertia and hurdles ! You can ease the mankind's
> birth to Brotherhood.
>
> What would be the consequences of a positive decision ?
>
> For us, the immediate consequence of a collective favourable
> decision would be the materialisation of many ships, in your sky and
> on Earth.
> For you, the direct effect would be the rapid abandoning of many
> certitudes and beliefs. Concretely, you would change the scale of
> your values !
> Later on, peaceful and respectful exchanges would be thus possible
> if such is your wish. For now, he who is hungry cannot smile, he who
> is fearful cannot welcome us. We are sad to see men, women and
> children suffering to such a degree in their flesh and in their
> hearts when they bear such an inner light.
> The main difference between your daily prayers to entities of a
> strictly spiritual nature and your current decision is extremely
> simple :
> we are technically equipped to materialise!
>
> Why such a historical dilemma ?
>
> We know that "foreigners" are considered as enemies as long as they
> embody the "unknown". In a first stage, the emotion that our
> appearance will generate will strengthen your relationships on a
> worldwide scale.
>
> How could you know whether our arrival is the consequence of your
> collective choice ? For the simple reason that we would have
> otherwise been already there for a long time at your level of
> existence ! If we are not there yet, it is because you have not made
> such a decision explicitely.
> How could you be certain that this is not yet another subtle
> manoeuvre of the "third party" to better enslave you ? Because one
> always more efficiently fights something that is identified than the
> contrary.
> Whatever, you are the sole judge in your own heart and soul ! Do you
> want to see us with your own eyes, or simply believe what your
> thinkers say ? That is the real question!
>
> You are still the architects of your own fate...
>
> "DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"
>
> Complete original message on www.geocities.com/meetetnow/
>
> IF YOU WISH THEM TO SHOW UP :
>
> You have to know that an increasing number of persons from
> everywhere, from all religions, workers and doctors, poors and
> richs, every one agreeing the ET proposal, participate to a
> worldwide Global First Contact Experiment which will involve a
> series of weekly visualizations details of the first of which are as
> follows:
> (Go to : http://www.exopolitics.org/First-Contact.htm )
>
> Visualization:
>
> Imagine yourself being asked by benevolent extraterrestrials the
> question: "Do You Wish That We Show Up?" Say 'yes'! Then instantly
> imagine luminous extraterrestrial ships appearing high over every
> city of the planet for a period lasting seven days and nights. The
> ships perform light displays that indicate universal greetings of
> peace, joy and fraternity Š
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

you don't know me, so how pray tell do i confirm that scripture? you
are doing some serious judging, young man. check yourself before you
trip over your own dogma. i didn't realize YOU spoke for god.

dumbass.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your
words
> alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For
everyone
> that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil. For
> everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the
light,
> lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the
> light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought in
> God."--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a crap
> > about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here. MY
> > contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be convinced
of
> > the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling intentional, as
> if
> > you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly
locked
> > into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read ALL
> that
> > shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be
wasting
> > EVERYONE'S time.
> >
> > and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
> >
> > sincerely,
> > Zejith Themis,
> > cydonia's green grocer
> > 666 AbZu lane,
> > Sheol 0240666

The Scripture itself speaks for itself. You hate the light of Jesus
because you love sin and Satan. Yes, I do speak for God. He has given
me that authority in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> you don't know me, so how pray tell do i confirm that scripture?
you
> are doing some serious judging, young man. check yourself before
you
> trip over your own dogma. i didn't realize YOU spoke for god.
>
> dumbass.
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your
> words
> > alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For
> everyone
> > that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil.
For
> > everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the
> light,
> > lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the
> > light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought in
> > God."--- In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a
crap
> > > about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here.
MY
> > > contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be
convinced
> of
> > > the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling intentional,
as
> > if
> > > you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly
> locked
> > > into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read
ALL
> > that
> > > shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be
> wasting
> > > EVERYONE'S time.
> > >
> > > and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
> > >
> > > sincerely,
> > > Zejith Themis,
> > > cydonia's green grocer
> > > 666 AbZu lane,
> > > Sheol 0240666

how evangelical you are. a true inspiration for the human race.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I believe in aliens. Thousands of illegal immigrants from Mexico.---

and PS: you didn't read squat before posting again, much less the
whole list i gave ya so you're not really serious about this
discussion. you have lame quotes from a shaky document (see the site
i gave you to see how shaky) that you use to judge people and act
superior. last time i looked that's a sin. i have your ridiculous
comments and halfassed attempts at dialectics that i use to judge you
and act superior. last time i looked that's reality.

peace out, bible boy.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> you don't know me, so how pray tell do i confirm that scripture?
you
> are doing some serious judging, young man. check yourself before
you
> trip over your own dogma. i didn't realize YOU spoke for god.
>
> dumbass.
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your
> words
> > alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For
> everyone
> > that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil.
For
> > everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the
> light,
> > lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the
> > light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought in
> > God."--- In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a
crap
> > > about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here.
MY
> > > contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be
convinced
> of
> > > the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling intentional,
as
> > if
> > > you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly
> locked
> > > into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read
ALL
> > that
> > > shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be
> wasting
> > > EVERYONE'S time.
> > >
> > > and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
> > >
> > > sincerely,
> > > Zejith Themis,
> > > cydonia's green grocer
> > > 666 AbZu lane,
> > > Sheol 0240666

how evangelical you are. a true inspiration for the human race.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I believe in aliens. Thousands of illegal immigrants from Mexico.---

sir, i completely understand the fact that you consider that
scripture to be the true and only law of the universe. i am here
attempting to explain to you the lack of veracity, continuity and
credibility in it's content and the lack of good faith on the part of
its compilers, translators, editors and possibly (in my opinion
surely) it's authors.

i most certainly, even though no actual confrontation of facts has
been made, love a great many things that in the eyes of your personal
faith are sin. however your interpretation and definition of such
things is highly arbitrary, of fairly recent conception and certainly
not in place at the time of the supposed events in your sacred
scripture.

i beseech you once again, before citing passages out of context (the
mainstay of christian preaching) to preuse the list i provided you a
couple of posts ago before attempting in any way to continue this
thread. it would in fact be nothing more than a futile waste of space
to the gain of absolutely none involved.

i will make no pretention as to instruct you as to what you will find
therein nor will i attempt to impose any interpretation thereof a
priori. i ask merely that you come to the table with a more complete
set of data to work from, debate upon and interpret. any other
continuation will be and in fact cannot be other that a series of
judgements and slurs on your part citing particular interpretations
of a text whose ultimate authority is in no way certain, followed by
my indignant retort, dissasembly of your feeble argument and
inevitable insulting of your intellectual character. yes, i do
cry "ye fools!". so sue me. or damn me. fool ye remain.

Z. Themis

PS truly a fool if you believe god would give an individual such as
yourself the authority on anything more complicated than pissing
while standing. assuming you're male. sorry, but without a sarcastic
jibe it just didn't feel like a real post.

--- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> The Scripture itself speaks for itself. You hate the light of Jesus
> because you love sin and Satan. Yes, I do speak for God. He has
given
> me that authority in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.--- In
> demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > you don't know me, so how pray tell do i confirm that scripture?
> you
> > are doing some serious judging, young man. check yourself before
> you
> > trip over your own dogma. i didn't realize YOU spoke for god.
> >
> > dumbass.
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your
> > words
> > > alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For
> > everyone
> > > that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil.
> For
> > > everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the
> > light,
> > > lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to
the
> > > light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought
in
> > > God."--- In
> > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a
> crap
> > > > about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here.
> MY
> > > > contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be
> convinced
> > of
> > > > the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling
intentional,
> as
> > > if
> > > > you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly
> > locked
> > > > into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read
> ALL
> > > that
> > > > shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be
> > wasting
> > > > EVERYONE'S time.
> > > >
> > > > and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
> > > >
> > > > sincerely,
> > > > Zejith Themis,
> > > > cydonia's green grocer
> > > > 666 AbZu lane,
> > > > Sheol 0240666

http://www.geocities.com/mossab442/1.html

Crimes in Iraq

Will Fallujah Be Leveled?

By Firas Al-Atraqchi
Freelance Columnist
06/04/2004

US forces seal off Fallujah, Monday, April 5, in preparation for a major
operation.

The men of the restive city of Fallujah are not afraid. Speaking to reporters,
they egg the US soldiers on. "Come into our city and we will show them what we
are made of," they say. "They have tanks and planes but are cowards, we will
fight till there are none of us left," others say.

The people of Fallujah are expecting the worst. They know the US military will
not allow itself to be humiliated in the manner of last week's mutilation and
hanging of four killed US mercenaries working for the private security firm
Blackwater. They know the US military will not allow the daily attacks on
convoys to go unpunished. A few hours before the horrific mutilations and
lynching, five US soldiers died when a powerful improvised explosive device
ripped their armored personnel carrier apart.

And the US military is edging for a fight. On Monday morning, US forces closed
off the Iraq-Amman highway which leads through Fallujah. Reporters attempting to
enter the city have told this writer that they were told by US officers that the
area surrounding Fallujah - and the city itself - is off-limits to reporters, a
restrictive zone, expected to be closed down for anywhere between two to 10
days.

Iraq analysts fear that the US is about to commit a war-crime by laying siege to
Fallujah and punishing its citizens by disallowing shipments of food and water.

With no independent reports from Fallujah, Iraq analysts warn the world could be
kept in the dark about scores of civilians likely to be caught in military
confrontation between US forces and Iraqi resistance.

Coalition authorities have promised a swift and precise response to last week's
mutilations of four contract servicemen who were ambushed in central Fallujah.
However, in media reports filed before the city was cordoned off, angry Iraqis
claimed that it was US policy in the area that fueled their anger. Among their
complaints:

Mounting of the foot over the neck of Iraqis - an affront in Iraqi society

The detaining of Iraqi women and teenage girls

The house searches well into the dead of night, using shock bombs, threats, and
verbal abuse

The returning of detained women, often barely clothed

The killing of civilians by US forces with no assumption of responsibility or
guilt

Iraq is entering a perilous phase as Iraqis begin to realize that the freedom
they were promised was a thinly-veiled farce aimed at extorting the country of
its mineral and oil wealth. There is open revolt in the south of Iraq where the
young cleric Muqtada Sadr has declared that negotiating and/or exercising
democratic tools like protests and demonstrations has not worked with the
Coalition. His Mahdi Army has seized several police stations throughout the
south of Iraq. US forces retaliated by seizing a Sadr office in Kirkuk.

As the first anniversary of the fall of Baghdad arrives, the fall of Iraq into
absolute anarchy seems imminent.


A Year in Numbers
http://www.islamonline.net/english/media/2...ter/index.shtml
<http://www.islamonline.net/english/media/2004/03/yearlater/index.shtml>



For more information about Islam:
http://www.geocities.com/assila2811/1.html

Contact me at
islamq_a@...

Exactly!--- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> how evangelical you are. a true inspiration for the human race.
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > I believe in aliens. Thousands of illegal immigrants from Mexico.-
--

You speak of judgement. Yes, but the judgement is the judgement of
Hell that mankind pronounces upon its own self. I find it interesting
though that you have mistaken the warning from Hell as the judgement
itself. That "shaky" document that yourefer to has had a 100% success
rate in prophetic truth which verifies its own stability. --- In
demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
<cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> and PS: you didn't read squat before posting again, much less the
> whole list i gave ya so you're not really serious about this
> discussion. you have lame quotes from a shaky document (see the
site
> i gave you to see how shaky) that you use to judge people and act
> superior. last time i looked that's a sin. i have your ridiculous
> comments and halfassed attempts at dialectics that i use to judge
you
> and act superior. last time i looked that's reality.
>
> peace out, bible boy.
>
> --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > you don't know me, so how pray tell do i confirm that scripture?
> you
> > are doing some serious judging, young man. check yourself before
> you
> > trip over your own dogma. i didn't realize YOU spoke for god.
> >
> > dumbass.
> >
> > --- In demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, bluecranefist
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > Funny, I didn't realize that you spoke for everyone here. Your
> > words
> > > alone confirm the truth of Holy Scripture. John 3:20-21 "For
> > everyone
> > > that does evil hates the light, because their deeds were evil.
> For
> > > everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the
> > light,
> > > lest there deeds be reproved. But he that does truth comes to
the
> > > light, that his deeds be made manifest , that they are wrought
in
> > > God."--- In
> > demonologyandtheoccult@yahoogroups.com, "cydonianbanana"
> > > <cydonianbanana@y...> wrote:
> > > > we HAVE to stop monopolising the forum. NO ONE here gives a
> crap
> > > > about our little debate and you WILL NOT convert anyone here.
> MY
> > > > contribution is useless 'cause no one here needs to be
> convinced
> > of
> > > > the idiocy of your holey paperweight (misspelling
intentional,
> as
> > > if
> > > > you hadn't noticed the sarcasm yet) and YOU are steadfastly
> > locked
> > > > into a flatline EEG and seem to feel comfortable there. read
> ALL
> > > that
> > > > shit i gave you to peruse, then post again or we'll just be
> > wasting
> > > > EVERYONE'S time.
> > > >
> > > > and mine is MUCH more valuble than yours ;-))
> > > >
> > > > sincerely,
> > > > Zejith Themis,
> > > > cydonia's green grocer
> > > > 666 AbZu lane,
> > > > Sheol 0240666

Erdology Month of Laguz
By
T Shawn Welling
For more information contact me T Shawn Welling
shwelling@...
www.tswelling.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tswelling
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Erdology/
For more info on Erdology, go to my web site which has much more
detail than I can put into an email.  www.tswelling.com.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tswelling
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Erdology/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Erdology/
Erdology is the study of the earth. How the earth works, how the
creatures living on the earth interact with themselves, and with
others. How the planets natural cycles affect life on earth. And
how we as a part of those creatures living on this earth are
affected by those cycles of this planet. And we have our own cycles
internally that we are also affected by. The more you know about
yourself and how you tick, the better.


Calendar  This is the month of Laguz
 	 	 1 April 14 25 18 Spring/Cups
 	 	 2 April 15 26 17 Spring/Cups
 	 	 3 April 16 27 16 Spring/Cups
 	 	 4 April 17 28 15 Spring/Cups
 	 	 5 April 18 29 14 Spring/Cups
 	 	 6 April 19 30 13 Spring/Cups
 	 	 7 April 20 31 12 Spring/Cups
 	 	 8 April 21 32 11 Spring/Cups
 	 	 9 April 22 33 10 Spring/Cups
 	 	 10 April 23 34 9 Spring/Cups
 	 	 11 April 24 35 8 Spring/Cups
 	  	 12 April 25 36 7 Spring/Cups
 	 	 13 April 26 37 6 Spring/Cups
 	 	 14 April 27 38 5 Spring/Cups
 	 	 15 April 28 39 4 Spring/Cups

The month of Laguz Count C current time overall.
This is a time of extreme paying attention to all that is around you
in a very big way.  The lessons that are available and all around
you this specific time of year are all about the application of
seeing just a glimpse of the big picture of life and how you fit
into the big picture.  For just how are you going to do and or
accomplish anything if you do not even have an idea that the big
picture of life exists let alone how you fit into it.  So this is a
month for you to take a really good hard look at your entire
surroundings to see just what is up and happening in the world
around you.  For all the lessons you have  learned in the past
seasons this is the best month for you to see just how the whole
thing works and to see how to fit yourself and what your wants,
needs, and desires are into the picture of what the whole thing of
this life is about.

Personal Months: If you were born during this time this is what you
can expect for the next 16 days in your life.
  F Priorities Fehu Count A June 13-28 1  Litha 1 16  Tower
People born during this time Count A:  Those born during the time of
Fehu will be born with the experiences of establishing not only
priorities but will have a strong and valued sense of personal
integrity.   Personal integrity is a concept that most do not
understand, people born during this time have a profound and
complete sense of themselves, what makes them tick, function,
operate and understand life which may or may not have all that much
to do with the way the outside world works or fits.  So the people
born during this time have set in motion a lifetime of serious and
absolute attention to what their own inner priorities are, for those
that have their own inner balanced they can have an understanding of
what others priorities are as well.
Your Month count B: Laguz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You can expect to have a lot of different details of life bombard
you; there will be a tremendous chance of you getting completely
overwhelmed.  The best and most efficient way to avoid this
situation of being overwhelmed and not getting anything done is to
all but take this month off.  See, if you approach everything this
month from a point of view of you are on vacation then you will not
take that which would be very bad for you to take personal,
personal.   So just take it easy this month, enjoy, sit back, relax,
and allow what happens this month to just be what happens this month.

  U  Strength Uruz Count A June 29 July 13  Strength
People born during this time Count A:  Have a lifetime of lessons
devoted to figuring out how best to apply themselves properly to the
world.  When dealing with strength lessons there is always the idea
of how much strength to apply to any given situation, too much is
crushing, not enough strength is insufficient.  So when we come
right down to it your life lessons are all about figuring out just
how best to apply that which your talents, skills, abilities, and
last but most definitely not least your inner will that allows you
to do anything in your life that you want to you just have to figure
out how best to apply your inner will to the world with the proper
balance.
Your Month count B: Mannaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
A deep and intense sense of self is what you can expect to happen.
You need to be working directly on wrapping everything you do within
the confines of a self identity.  This is the best month since you
have this absolutely fabulous experience of the last 180 days of
experiences all fresh in your mind.  What you need to be
concentrating on is getting to truly know yourself again, you have
not done the really hard look in the mirror in a while, and well
it's time to do it again.  The best gift you can give to yourself
this month is a pure and unflinching look into whom you are and why
have you made the decisions in your life you have made.  This is the
time to review the last 180 days.

  T Boundaries Thurasaz Count A July  14  28  Hierophant
People born during this time Count A:  Have a life long
understanding of personal boundaries and self identification.  These
lessons of this life are the lessons of the purity of boundaries.
What is acceptable to do when and where?  Personal boundaries,
private boundaries, public boundaries, the boundaries of the world
in which we live in, these are just a few of the lessons that are
the key points to the world in which people born during the time of
Thurasaz will be working with.
Your Month count B: Ewaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
There have been a great deal of items which you have been waiting
for.  Well the time has come to an end for that wait.  So stride on
out into your life and start getting what you have been wanting to
do and accomplished for a while done.

  a Communication Ansuz Count A July  29-Aug.  12  Hanged Man
People born during this time Count A:  you will be dealing with and
around the ideas of language, communication, and connection as to
how to express the ideas that you have to the world around you.
Ansuz is all about how to go about the process of you have an idea,
that idea takes on a form of education, understanding and
experience, you now need to figure out the best way to have that
idea presented to you, the people in your life, the world around
you, and or anything else you can think of as to how to express that
idea.  This is communication, how best to present various ideas.
Your Month count B: Bircano
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You will be experiencing a time of profound, deep, and intense
growth the likes of which only come around one time of year that
time happens to be now.  So just relax and flow the way growth and
the rapid changes that are happening, happen.  Everything you have
been building for, working on, and striving to achieve is starting
to come together now.  So best thing to do is instead of approaching
from an angle of stir the pot.  Just let your life simmer for a
while.

  r Journey Raido  Count A Aug.13- 27 2  Lughnasadh The Fool
People born during this time Count A:  your life lessons are about
the journey of discovery.
Journey, to finish tasks, to walk with what you understand to be
correct; to allow yourself and others to walk that which is the
correct thing to do.  The journey is the important thing during this
time.  To put one foot in front of the other is the lesson of people
born during this month.
Your Month count B: Tiwaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You are just coming out of your own personal private middle 8 months
the time between Haggalaz and Sowillo is considered to be an
internal working time.  So what you need to be concentrating on is
starting to apply all that you have been working on into your life.
This 8 months of Tiwaz, the time between Tiwaz and Daggaz is the
perfect time to stride out confidently into the world and start to
accomplish all those goals you have set for yourself.

  c Wisdom  Kannaz Count A Aug. 28 -  Sept  11
Magician
People born during this time Count A:  Learning and wisdom, people
born during this time are the wisdom seekers; those who want and
wish to partake in the concept of going from ignorance into the
learning process.  These people are forever learning, in their own
way.  Sometimes it's regimented and scholastic; other times they
learn best by the pure experience of being in the middle of the
situation and learning from it.  But learning is this person's goal
in life.
Your Month count B: Sowillo
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
This is the end of you internal working period, or your middle 8.
What you need to do is do a review of the events of the last 8
Erdology months.  For those months will lead you to a greater
understanding of not only who you are but where you want to be going
in your life.  Knowledge is power so the key to this month,
knowledge of the self, is the most powerful tool you can have.

  g Partnership  Gebo Count A Sept 12-27  Lovers
People born during this time Count A:   Partnerships and
connections, to connect between opposing positions, opposing poles,
or simply differences of opinion, this person is a go between, a
negotiator;  someone who spends their life making partnerships,
agreements, connections with all around them. Let's see what we can
all do here.
Your Month count B: Alhaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
This is a special time of year for you.  This is a great month to
just take a very good sit back and really examine what is happening
in your life.  For the best and most profound understanding I can
tell you about your life is that taking a very hard, keen, detailed
look around you at everything which is happening to everything that
is not you in your life is the key to the lessons in which you are
learning about this month.  Alhaz is best summed up this way, think
of a battle and seeing everything which is happening around you at
the same time.  Just keep yourself as aware as you possibly can
about everything in your life that is not your life.  You are not
the ingredient here needed to see, everything but you is the
ingredients needed to examine thoroughly.

  W Emotion Wunjo Count A Sep 28 Oct 12 3 Mabon  2  16  High
Priestess
People born during this time Count A:  You are in the unique amongst
all the 24 signs here to be blessed with an uncanny understanding of
emotion.  The understanding comes from always having to be
surrounded by your emotions.  So you have a built in understanding
since you always have to be experiencing things from emotion first
everything else second.  So the lessons for this life with you,
instead of fighting and arguing with yourself and your emotions be
with your emotions and work with them.  Shutting the key part of
what makes you great and wonderful is an awfully large
disappointment to those of us around you that want to be
experiencing and enjoying you as the emotional self you are.  So we
are waiting to see the true self that is the true emotional you.
Your Month count B: Pertho
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You are encountering a time of profound and needed alteration of
what is happening to you in the immediate right here and right now.
See you are undergoing a once a year change in direction that was
brought about by the occurrences which happened last month.  Last
month you got deeply involved with your new skills, talent and
abilities.  Well this month you need to take those skills and
abilities you just rediscovered and figure out a way in which to
apply those skills to your life.  That is the lesson of this month
after you find hidden talent, its time to put those talents to the
test and hone the blade of those talents into something workable.

  H Past  Haggalaz Count A Oct 13 – 27  The world
People born during this time Count A:
The past, this person has a keen understanding of not only the past
but finishing up projects that are put in front of them.  This is
the beginning of the feminine 5th season.  This is the time of year
for going within to contemplate that which has been done over not
only the last year but also to contemplate that which has occurred
over your lifetime.
Your Month count B: Eiwaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to get down and sit with a journal.  You need to do a great
deal of personal introspection because you will be finding talents
and skills you did not remember you had.  The best way to find those
skills is to journal out your thoughts, feelings, emotions, and
remember parts of your life that are still in your subconscious but
you need to remember them so you can remember the talents you left
behind from a previous time in your life but now those talents need
to be brought out of the closet and examined for what they are and
more importantly how they can help you now.

  n Present  Nauthiez Count A Oct.28-Nov 12 4 Samhain 3
16  The Devil aka God aka wood god, the horned one, Ceranunos, Odin,
Zeus,
People born during this time Count A:
The present, this is an interesting time for those born during these
times.  This is the time of Samhain.  The sabot of Samhain is the
time of femininity or focus on the feminine of the self so that you
can go into a creative cycle during the coming winter.  This is the
feminine half of the 5th season.  This person is keenly interested
in what is happening now.   What is the present situation, what
happened in the past and what can be happening in the future. These
are all highly interesting and needed items for people born during
the month of Nauthiez to work with during their lives.  All that is
the now all that can be the now; keen interest is the present.
Your Month count B: Jera
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
A profound sense of time and cycles of what your needs are is what
is happening now.  There is always a time for everything and
everything has its time in which it needs to be done.  This for you
is a time of seeing those sequences, cycles, and taking a stab at
trying to figure out what those things mean.  What is time, how does
time effect and affect every and all that we do.  Well this month is
a great month for you to figure out how much time affects you and
the world around you.

  i Future  Isa Count A Nov. 13 – 27  The Hermit
People born during this time Count A:
Future: People born during this time are future people, people who
have a profound understanding of building ideas, concepts, models,
and ideas for what to do with the future.  Seekers for tomorrow.
Your Month count B: Isa
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
This is a unique month for you. Since you are encountering a time of
profound and complete emphasis on exactly who you are.  This is a
time for deep and contemplative understanding of the self.  Just who
are you, where are you going, what are you doing, where do you want
to go?  Well this is a great time of year for you since you can now
sit back and just have some fun with your self.  Deep contemplation
time that is the best thing for you this month, deep and soul
searching contemplation.

  J Cycles Jera Count A Nov.  28 - Dec. 12  Death
People born during this time Count A:
Timing and cycles, people born during this time are keenly
interested and devoted to the cycles of things and the cycles of
life.  What happened yesterday and what will be happening tomorrow
and how the 2 tie in together.
Your Month count B: Nauthiez
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
Get a good sense and idea of what is happening in the world around
you.  See yourself in the world and see how that world is acting,
responding, interacting, and just being.  For the more you learn
about just flat out who you are the more you will be able to see how
to fit into the world around you the way it truly is rather then the
illusions we have created for ourselves.

  I Creation  Eiwaz Count A Dec, 13 – 28 5 Yule
16  Temperance aka Goddess
People born during this time Count A:
Creation, this is an interesting time since this is the time of
Yule, and the happenings which take place in and around Yule are
there very much for the person to work with and around.  Just as in
the day midnight, this is mid year.  This the half way point for the
year, what people born during this time are concerned with the inner
times, they are inward turned people who spend a part of their lives
in the search for inward understanding, and inward balance.
Your Month count B: Haggalaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to spend some serious amount of time in quiet contemplation
of the events which have taken place in your life.  This is the
beginning of your middle 8 months in Erdology which is always a time
of internal work, contemplation, sense of self realignment, finding
lost parts of yourself, understanding where you need to be going and
what you need to be doing, as well as the simple fact of taking a
good hard look at the actions you have already done and where those
actions have brought you.

  P  Pertho Count A Dec. 29- Jan 12  emperor
People born during this time Count A:
Application of skills learned, people born during this time are
people that are keenly interested in applying that which they know
to the world.  To identify what they like, to learn as much as they
can about what they like, and then apply what they know to the world
about the skills they have learned.
Your Month count B: Wunjo
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You will be experiencing the very definition of an emotional state.
So just go with it, ride the wave of the purity of all that your
emotions bring to you.  For you may just experience a sense of a new
you coming out of the fog of emotion that is this month.  Embrace
the new you for it is the true you emerging and saying hi.

  Z Awareness  Alhaz Count A Jan. 13 – 28  The Moon
People born during this time Count A:
Awareness of the world around them in spades, people born during
this time have a built in sense of the world around them.  Not
anything else just a sense of the world which is around them.  They
have a keen awareness of the world.  Not how to apply that
knowledge, or how that knowledge affects the self, or even, if this
is a good thing or bad, those lessons why are learned along the path
of life.  No they have the keen understanding of the purity of
awareness of their surroundings.
Your Month count B: Gebo
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You will need to work very hard on defining friend, family, and
country man.  For this is the month where friendships are put to the
test and see just who is still a true friend to you and who you are
still a true friend to.  For a shake up of friends sometimes is the
very best thing that can happen.  So knowing you have your middle 8
to go into in a couple months knowing just exactly who you can
depend on and who is just a fair weather friend is vitally important.

  S Consciences  Sowillo Count A Jan. 29 - Feb  12 6
	 Imbulc  The Sun
People born during this time Count A:
Knowledge, this is another interesting time, this is the other end
of the 5th season.  A time of masculine application of what one has
learned.  Adding days is put here.    People born during this time
are profound knowledge seekers, people that just about no matter
what will seek out new things, new knowledge, new wisdom, and new
things, to learn that which is unknown in just about any way
possible.
Your Month count B: Kannaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
It's time to open those school books you have been putting off for a
while now and open yourself to new experiences of life.  There has
been a lot you have learned about in the last few months and now is
the perfect time to go to the library and look up the subjects you
have been thinking about for a while now, and start the learning
process.

  t Direction  Tiwaz Count A Feb  13 – 26  Direction
People born during this time Count A:
Direction, People born during this time are keenly interested in the
application of taking what they know and applying that which is them
to the world; to their surroundings, to the world around them and to
all that is.
Your Month count  B: Raido
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to take the next step into the world in which you have
worked so long and hard to rebuild and reorganize for yourself. As
you have been making new priorities this year, and you have been
making new decisions about future actions this year.  What you need
to do is instead of sitting back planning like you have been for the
last few Erdology months what you need to do now is take those first
tentative steps into the world of the new with your new found
skills, abilities, plans, ideas, and the like.  So the first step is
usually the hardest but after you get that first step done, they are
all easy.

  B Growth  Bircano Count A Feb 27-Mar 13 7 Eostar 5 16
Empress
People born during this time Count A:
Growth, this is an interesting time for this is the last of the
Litha year 16 day months.  This Eostar is all about growth and
building for the future.  Taking that which has been thought up and
created during the winter cycle and applying it.  People born during
this time need to be aware that they are being born at a time of
incredible growth and advancement,  a time of it's still cold but
winter is over this is now spring;  a time of new growth and new
experiences.  So people born during this time are geared toward
growth and building new and interesting things.  What ever
interesting new things they can dream up this is what this month is
all about, new thoughts, dreams, emotions, ideas, just new stuff,
and applying those new things to the world.
Your Month count B: Ansuz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to take a very serious look around yourself.  See just what
is this new personal year going to hold for you.  Well the best way
to figure that out is to take a seriously good look at your
surroundings and ask as many questions of those around you as you
can.  Advice is always great, because you know both what to do and
more importantly what not to do.  Some of the advice you get is the
very definition of "do not do that" and when you have that advice
the best thing for you to do is follow your own  inner yes thanks
for telling me where the pit fall was. Will most definitely avoid
that in the future.

  E Movement  Ewaz Count A March 14 – 29  Chariot
People born during this time Count A:
Movement: People born during these times are people of a rather
profound sense of movement and time.  They are never quite happy
just sitting back and relaxing with themselves they are always much
more interested in the movement of what can happen.  The movement of
where they can fit in and how to fit in to the world.  Moving things
is the point to people born during these times, the priorities of
movement.  Be it an action job or watching things move.
Your Month count B: Thurasaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You will be experiencing and, with all due emphases on,
reestablishing and reorganizing the boundaries that are in your
life.  The more time you spend on boundaries the better every single
thing will be for you in the coming year.  So your only concern this
month is making sure your boundaries are good for you and everything
and everybody around you.

  M Self  Mannaz Count A March 30  - April 13  Star
People born during this time Count A:
Know thyself: that is the key to this life.  To have the definition
of a profound understanding of not only who you are but where you
want to go.  People born during this time are people who have a
profound sense of self, based on the culture into which they were
born.  Their task through life is to know thyself, which is quite a
hard task if you think about it.
Your Month count B Uruz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You will be learning the application of how best to apply your
strength to the world.  For it will be the skills and lessons of
strength which is the fuel to power everything you want to do over
the course or the next year.

  L Flow  Laguz Count A April 14 – 28
People born during this time Count A:
Flow, people born during these times need to have a profound
understanding of how things in the universe flow; to be able to
grasp their place in the universe and be settled and secure within
their frame of reference.  What and how things flow in the universe
and how each person in that universe flows is the point to this
persons lessons.  The more they know about themselves the more they
can then accomplish in this world.  One can not have enough
knowledge or data about how they fit into the flow of everything.
Your Month count B: Fehu current month of you
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
This is your birth month, so what you need to be doing is working as
diligently as you possibly can on the ideas of what are your
priorities going to be over the course of this coming year?  Where
were you this time last year, well fortunately for you, you paid
attention to your review last month and can answer those questions
easily.  Now that your review is done you need to be making some
very hard decisions about the direction you want to be going.  Well
this the perfect month to make those decisions and to set a new
course of how best to accomplish those goals of yours.  So good luck
and allow that which needs to happen in your life to happen.

  N Fertility  Ingwaz Count A April 29-May 13 8
	 Beltain  Judgment
People born during this time Count A:
Intricate detail, this is Beltain, growth and fertility, people born
during this month are drawn to the smallest details of life. They
are drawn to concentrate on the minutest of details, both in the
world and in their surroundings.  For fertility is truly found in
the smallest of details in this world, and by tracking the smallest
of details and keeping track of all the little things in this world
is when this person is ok with life.  When everything on the
smallest level adds up to that which is acceptable.
Your Month count B: Daggaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
This is the last month of your current personal year.  So what you
need to be doing is working very hard at doing a huge review of all
the events which took place over the course of not only this last
year but previous years, so that you can have it fresh in your mind
for next month.  This is the best time of year for this review to
take place so please relax and enjoy yourself in your new review.

  O Stability  Othallo Count A May 14 - 28
People born during this time Count A:
Stability home and heart, people born during this month are drawn to
the existence and understanding of a solid and balanced home.
Stability is the key to this persons entire existence, if they are
out of balance nothing works but if they are in balance then there
is no catastrophe big enough to throw this person off their centered
with in themselves.
Your Month count B: Othello
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to be working on getting all your affairs in order.  For
this is the best month to get your affairs in order so that you can
then go about doing the other tasks that are needed to be done over
the course of the next few months.  So home and stability are the
key words to use this month, make sure as much of your home and
family life is stable and in order before doing just about anything
else.

  d Cycles  Daggaz Count A May 29 - June 12  Wheel of
Fortune
People born during this time Count A:
Cycles end, people born during this time are absolutely keenly aware
of the duality of life, the end and beginnings of all.  They are
absorbed into the realization that for a beginning you have to have
an end.  For there to be balance there needs to be a twin, the end
of the old and the beginning of the new.  People born during these
times are often conflicted between the balances of the cycle of
life.  They have a foot in the old and a foot in the new and it is
often times harder to balance between the old and new then most
people can comprehend.
Your Month count B: Ingwaz
Personal Month: What you can expect to happen to you during this
month
You need to be focused almost exclusively on the smallest details of
your life right now.  For it is in the details of life that you will
be experiencing a new sense and understanding of not only yourself
but everything else that is around you.  So the closer and smaller
details you concentrate on the more the big picture will emerge and
make more sense.


For those that read this, this is a column; I send the same report
out to hundreds of email groups.  So it's virtually impossible for
me to track all the on line correspondents of more questions.  So
please if you have questions email me or find me on the web.

For more information contact me T Shawn Welling
shwelling@...
www.tswelling.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tswelling
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Erdology/