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Mike Lepore
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Nov 20, 2008
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Hi, This was posted on my YOUTUBE channel be another De Leonist "We have to ask ourselves: What is the state? Marx said that it was the _executive committee_...
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Nov 20, 2008
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I have come to the conclusion that the Marxist-De Leonist definition of the "state" is poorly defined, because it tries to say too many separate things...
Mike Lepore
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Nov 21, 2008
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... definition ... with ... and ... phrase "scientific ... but ... Well, Marx's definition was pretty much the enforcement of one class' interests over...
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Nov 21, 2008
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... Yes, I believe you're right, that is, right about who said what. As for myself, I don't believe in asserting that there will be improvements to human...
Mike Lepore
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Nov 21, 2008
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This is the proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States that was suggested by David Searles of Vermont, in its most recently revised form as of...
Mike Lepore
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Nov 21, 2008
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I don't necessarily consider myself a DeLeonist, but I have long been interested in political theory. My politics place me on the left of American society,...
Lawrence Watson
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Nov 22, 2008
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De Leonists see a big problem with the tendency of the IWW, syndicalists, and anarcho-syndicalists to say that is't all right to ignore the state and abandon...
Mike Lepore
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Nov 22, 2008
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... system 'Government over people' meaning? Representative democracy like today, in which people are elected, and can then do whatever they want pretty much?...
varunv6rampal
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Nov 22, 2008
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"That approach could also be suicidal, and I, for one, believe that the ignore-the-state seize-the-industries method would end up with millions of workers...
varunv6rampal
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Nov 22, 2008
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... Yes, it would be representative democracy like today in which people are elected. It is separate from the economic government of the SIU but the SIU holds...
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Nov 22, 2008
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Damned good question. I can only respond to the deleonism side of it - Noam will have to flesh out his own side of it, or perhaps you could if you are that...
David Searles
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Nov 22, 2008
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This is a corrected and expanded verison of my immediately preceedng post: Damned good question. I can only respond to the deleonism side of it - Noam will...
David Searles
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Nov 22, 2008
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... When I said government over people, I didn't intend it as a contrast with government _OF_ the people, and I didn't spend even a moment thinking about what...
Mike Lepore
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... Why? ... it ... or ... Wait, why the Constitution? Surely you've seen the problems caused by the interpretation of the Constitution in terms of things that...
varunv6rampal
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Nov 23, 2008
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... people are elected. ... Because people in the U.S. expect political representation when it comes to their rights. They want those rights protected from...
socialgreenman
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Nov 23, 2008
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jt: The political side just can't do what it wants. It is limited to safeguarding civil liberties, rights and making sure law enforcement, courts and prisons...
David Searles
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Nov 23, 2008
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Thank you for your reply, sir. I had meant Chomsky as an example... He described himself as "anarcho- syndacalist" and upon reading the theories, they both...
Lawrence Watson
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Nov 24, 2008
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... The "opium of the people", Marx said - "Das opium des Volkes" - in his "Critique of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right." I find Marx's point very interesting...
Mike Lepore
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... A vanguard, an English bastardization of the French term "avant garde", just means any trend that points in the forward direction, whatever "forward" may...
Mike Lepore
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... You are welcome. (but please use Dave instead of sir) ... prefer ... for ... Dave: Just for some background from ...
David Searles
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... Pragmatically can we utilize the present constitution to advance the cause of collective worker control of the industrial means of production?...
socialgreenman
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Nov 24, 2008
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I saw that video, what his name's grandfather. Do you have the link for it. (Keefer Sutherland's grandfather.) ... States. ... just ... production? ... of ...
David Searles
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Nov 24, 2008
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Of course the ipotant thing to me is to recognize that no matter who we elect, there can't be socialism until there is collective control of means of...
David Searles
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Nov 24, 2008
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Dave posted the link: http://books.google.com/books? id=UiScKGtes8EC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=debs+deleon+IWW&source=web&ots=LL6 ...
Mike Lepore
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Nov 24, 2008
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Dave posted the link: http://books.google.com/books? id=UiScKGtes8EC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=debs+deleon+IWW&source=web&ots=LL6 ...
Mike Lepore
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... Hi Dave, I realize that workers have to be convinced for the necessity of owning and operating the means of production. We have a long ways to go to get...
socialgreenman
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I thought I posted the Mouseland Video so here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpFm7zAK90 Sincerely, John Trimbath, Jr....
socialgreenman
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Mike the bottom link worked for me. Thanks. I was going to post the link to the links section of the discussion group, but then I thoiught that maybe you as...
David Searles
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Nov 25, 2008
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John, of course when I write things like "there can't be socialism until there is collective control of means of production and distribution and we can't have...
David Searles
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