The cover art for the December 2001 Random House reprint of Babel-17/Empire Star has been posted on Amazon. The image is a little... generic, but it's nice. ...
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Cecil
creativebrother
Oct 12, 2001 2:16 pm
I read an essay about this recently. It's in print, not online. It posed some interesting questions: 1) Are Delaney's sci-fi characters black enough? Or even...
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Lewis
lmurp02
Oct 12, 2001 3:42 pm
You might like Nalo Hopkinson. Also seek out _Dark Matter: A Century of Speculative Fiction form the African Diaspora_ edited by Sheree R. Thomas, it recently...
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raydavis@...
Oct 13, 2001 1:58 am
Delany has said before that this kind of complaint tends to come from white readers.... 1) How does an old white guy (or anyone else) decide that a fictional ...
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David Cozy
dcozy@...
Oct 13, 2001 1:58 am
... For what? ... There are other black science fiction authors, but I wonder, would one have to be black to bring "blackness" to the genre. And what exactly...
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Nathalie Mège
nmege@...
Oct 13, 2001 2:06 pm
... My own 2 cents is that his writing has to do with exclusion/inclusion, whether the individual concerned is black, gay, female or a fetishist... ;) NM...
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Wade T. Smith
morbius@...
Oct 13, 2001 3:46 pm
Hi delany-list@yahoogroups.com - ... Hehe.... Yeah, we did. Well, I did, and I'm an old-timey fan. I didn't even know Chip _was_ black until I saw a picture,...
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lp75@...
Oct 13, 2001 3:47 pm
... exclusion/inclusion, ... fetishist... ... Great point! This is what really blew me away about Delany's writing. His work is so challenging in the way...
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dotenj@...
Oct 13, 2001 4:10 pm
... David hit on the head. Black Enough - For what ? It's like being asked a question that you can't answer because you don't really know what the question is....
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creativebrother@...
Oct 13, 2001 4:52 pm
... It depends upon your definition of black. So that members of the Nation of Islam cheer him on: no. So that moderates feel "hey, the world knows what it...
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lp75@...
Oct 13, 2001 8:11 pm
... it be ? He writes about people, sex and ideas. Colors are just there.< While I think you mean well with this, and yes, Delany writes about far more than...
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David Cozy
dcozy@...
Oct 14, 2001 12:54 am
... You are absolutely right about the diversity subsumed under the rubric "black." (Diversity of a similar scope is subsumed under terms such as "women"...
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Paul Brazier
brazier@...
Oct 14, 2001 2:54 pm
Everyone I've seen lots of strange stuff in my time, but someone complaining that Delany was not black enough on a Delany list -- a bit like saying 'that ...
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Steve Maxey
maxx@...
Oct 14, 2001 2:54 pm
... Actually what pisses me off about this whole discussion is that we're discussing the issue without knowing who the writer or what the title is of the essay...
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dotenj@...
Oct 14, 2001 6:18 pm
Oh, I'm personally refering to an article on child rearing and teaching them about race from a recent issue of PARENTS magazine... I think Dave Cozy is...
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lp75@...
Oct 14, 2001 8:24 pm
Yes! Thank you! One of the first things that came to mind when I read this thread was the book that you are referring to, Giovanni's Room by James Baldwin....
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David Cozy
dcozy@...
Oct 14, 2001 9:46 pm
Recent comments by Paul Brazier and others make me wonder: who are Delany's best critics? In list-members' august opinions is anyone writing good criticism of...
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Lewis
lmurp02@...
Oct 15, 2001 2:46 am
... Point well taken. Lewis...
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kmisho64@...
kmisho64
Oct 15, 2001 11:58 am
very stimulating discussion. thanks all for the cogent rejoinders. misho...
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creativebrother@...
Oct 15, 2001 2:34 pm
The guy who wrote the article put the essay out in his print publication. If you want his address so that you can write him it's below. I assumed that die-hard...
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David Cozy
dcozy@...
Oct 15, 2001 9:03 pm
... I have no idea what would lead anyone to believe that Baldwin found "black life limiting." That's not what I wrote, and I sure don't see any evidence of...
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raydavis@...
Oct 16, 2001 2:52 am
... Yes, K. Leslie Steiner certainly scooped the "Dhalgren"; essay I'd been preparing to write.... The best couple of things I've seen were in the admittedly ...
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kmisho64@...
kmisho64
Oct 17, 2001 2:19 am
In a message dated 10/15/01 10:35:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... I like the title. Ever heard of Firesign Theater? There's one line in one of their records...
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lp75@...
lp75
Oct 19, 2001 2:10 pm
I have to add the disclaimer that I haven't actually read this myself, but for those who are interested, Hazel V. Carby has a section on Delany in her book...
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RicBest@...
Oct 19, 2001 3:13 pm
I'd like to mention the newly released "War of the Words" a paperback collection of writings on contemporary liturature gathered from 20 years of The Village...
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creativebrother@...
creativebrother
Nov 5, 2001 9:53 pm
What do you say when someone asks a question like that? I saw a similar question up at www.sffworld.com. Someone wanted to learn about Delaney, and another...
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kmisho64@...
kmisho64
Nov 6, 2001 3:45 am
In a message dated 11/5/01 4:54:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... My 2 cents worth. Delany is not too hard to read. Which I can say having read nearly...
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Gil Tayar
gil.tayar@...
Nov 6, 2001 4:27 am
On reading the first books, Delany was very hard to read. On the second it got easier, but was still difficult. When you get to the tenth book you're starting...
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David Cozy
d_cozy
Nov 6, 2001 2:58 pm
... I would answer: "No, but he's hard enough to be interesting." The issue I would hope such an answer would raise is that there are other ways to view...
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Lewis
lmurp02
Nov 6, 2001 3:40 pm
I think Delany's work can be "challenging", especially books which use more unconventional stylistic elements. For the uninitiated, I usually recommend _Nova_,...
