Nine31,

There is much more.  There are references to multiple gods, to a
Mother Goddess, to Abraham pimping for his wife (and growing rich
doing so!), and to God lying. The so-called Christian Ethic actually
consists of 160 some odd dos and don'ts about measuring, archaic
ritual techniques and tribal traditions.  The only thing of worth,
is the Decalogue with its tend commandments, yet 3 of them are
wasted on how to treat "God", an imaginary being that does not exist!

In my website at http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com  The whole
history, nature and development of Christianity---as well as all the
other archaic and even modern faiths are examined objectively like
this.  This is a good background for people who deplore the progress
of religious reaction here---such as with the Bush Administration.
It is a way for us to see the world atheistically as it really is
without using religious words (evil, "Truth", etc.) in their way.

Give us a look.  You are invited, but read carefully because the
site has a lot of information (and no advertising!) which you miss
if you speed read.  If you understand it all, use the e-mail and let
me know what you think.  It is all totally free.

Darsoclass

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, n1n31nchn3rd
<n1n31nchn3rd@p...> wrote:
> It's surely time for Christians to call for the banning of a
controversial international
> best-selling book which is full of tales of violence, rape,
polygamy, ethnic cleansing, scheming
> ambition, adultery, and foul murder. The book's main hero, who
doesn't make his appearance till
> late on in the drama, undermines the traditional idea of the
family. Such is the book's
> reputation that there is no need even to read it before taking to
the streets in protest. The
> name of the seditious tome is the Holy Bible.
>
> more: http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/31397.html

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "tarrat47" <tarrat47@y...>
wrote:
>
> There is no god, no heaven, no satan, no redemption, no hell.  It
is
> all a fairy tale.  Santa Claus.  Big daddy in the sky.  It's all a
> sad joke.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  Tarrat,

Yes, that is what makes us atheists.  There are no ghosts, there is
no absolute knowledge—only a more or less accurate understanding of
ourselves and our universe, and there is no "purpose" because
no "Being" uses us to serve its own ends.  Also, there is no "evil"
even though there are many people who cause trouble to their fellow
man. There is nothing "sacred," although we value somethings much
more than others.  The word "holy" and "sin" have no meaning and we
do not worship anything even though there is much, such as science,
which we respect.

I suspect you are just getting used to this new idea, atheism.
Congratulations.  You are bucking the trend back to religion,
religious reaction.  Why not give a look at my webpage at
http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com  where we find a way to unite and
eventually reverse the old religion trend?  This is where you learn
to think atheism without using words their way.  We have shaped our
world view to a non-spirit science thinking and it brings us
together, united.  We have big plans and invite you to give our
website a slow, careful examination from end to end.  Please do so,
think and then e-mail me what you think!  Its all free for the Cause
and you are invited.

Darsoclass



However,
>
>
>
>
Clauisdeathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "bjornonthewrongsideofthetrack
> s" <niloc6767@a...> wrote:
>
> > I suspect there are two main kinds of Atheist.
> >
> > 1) Those who reject religion because they feel it puts some kind
of
> > constraint on their hedonistic urges (drugs, sex, sodomy, etc.).
> > Usually these kinds of atheist GET RELIGION in old age after
their
> > hedonistic drives run out of steam.
> >
> > 2) Those who want to believe in something but just can't swallow
> all
> > that anachronistic bullshit. These type of Atheists NEVER get
> > religious because their main characteristic is uncompromising
> > truthfulness. Usually, they want something to believe in so they
> are
> > often attracted to politics. To this group I would say take a
look
> at
> > the UNIVERSAL FASCIST PARTY:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Universal_Fascist_Party/
> > http://uk.geocities.com/universal_fascist_party/fasces.html

Hi everyone! How are you all doing? I'm doing pretty well. Cool
group! I wanted to let everyone know about a cool website I came
across on the Internet at http://www.thedoorkingsville.com There is
also a pretty cool group I recommend as well at
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A badly disguised spam if anyone asks me.

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Saenz"
<robertsaenz777@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone! How are you all doing? I'm doing pretty well. Cool
> group! I wanted to let everyone know about a cool website I came
> across on the Internet at http://www.stupidspammer.com There is
> also a pretty cool group I recommend as well at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stupidspammersgroup/
>
> Here are some other cool sites that you can visit as well:
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> Covenant Data Systems, Inc. http://www.stupidspammer.com
> Eagle Automation Corporation http://www.stupidspammer.net
> Fishing Tournament http://www.stupidspammer.com

I thought maybe you could find some guidance from the pure teens
group.  My mistake, sorry.

devas, not pure
*I am by no way seriously implying that you're a teen.  It just made
me giggle.
--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, bestonnet_00 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
>
> A badly disguised spam if anyone asks me.
>
> --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Saenz"
> <robertsaenz777@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone! How are you all doing? I'm doing pretty well. Cool
> > group! I wanted to let everyone know about a cool website I came
> > across on the Internet at http://www.stupidspammer.com There is
> > also a pretty cool group I recommend as well at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stupidspammersgroup/
> >
> > Here are some other cool sites that you can visit as well:
> > Avail Solutions, Inc. http://www.stupidspammer.com
> > Covenant Data Systems, Inc. http://www.stupidspammer.com
> > Eagle Automation Corporation http://www.stupidspammer.net
> > Fishing Tournament http://www.stupidspammer.com

WUUSSSUUUPP....moron with dated a catch phrase.

Dude check out the group a little before you advertize for your pet
projects. If you're trying to prostletize you need to work on your
technique. Try the "you're special no matter how sucky and lame you
are line" to play on insecurities or perhaps the old "you're never
alone" bit for that pesky pervasive lonliness that comes with being
sentient.

GOD IS A FALLACY

The whole idea of god is a fallacy, circular reasoning. The believer
begins by asserting all things require a creator, but quickly exempts
god from the rule. Here lies the fallacy: If the universe requires a
creator, why doesn't god? The only answer they can come up with
is, "Because he's god" and that's not very compelling.

Few believers stop there, however. It's not enough to simply accept
the existence of some creator, oh no, there's more. The creator has
likes and dislikes, very much like a "turn on and turn off" list. And
it's all been written down in a book called the Bible. Of course this
brings up more problems: How can we be sure that the writers of the
book got it right, and were truly divinely inspired… Well that's
easy…. YOU TOO must be divinely inspired, and then it's all crystal
clear, POP! instantly!

The book goes much deeper than that… if you keep reading (past the
flood, the famines, the massacres, baby killing and porno scenes
complete with… well we won't go there) you'll get to the part where
god realizes he's still pissed off about what Eve did way back in
Chapter 1, and he can't seem to find it in his heart to forgive
mankind for the evil sin of eating from the forbidden tree of
knowledge. So he does like any loving creator does, he kills his own
son, and leaves a few drunken fisherman and goat herders to write it
all down.

Now, Here comes the good part… If you believe this story (written and
told by humans), the god is HAPPY with you, and will reward you with
eternal never-ending bliss, but if you don't believe the story, look
out, god will become angry and not allow you into the never-ending
party of bliss.

The whole part about the camel and the eye of the needle… that's good
too. This way, you can look at the rich man and laugh, "What a fool,
he'll never get to heaven like me". But does the rich man care? Heck
no! He's having way too much fun with all that cash to worry
seriously about the afterlife.

Christianity or Crack Cocaine?

Which is more Dangerous? I say Christianity, by far. "How can I say
this?" you ask. Both are destructive to the mind, distort reality,
and destroy a person's ability to prioritize things in their life.
Both are based on a lack of self-worth, and the need to escape from
reality. But why is Jesus more dangerous than crack? Because Jesus is
passed off as a good thing, and it's used as a recovery system for
people hooked on crack and other drugs. They might be better off
quitting Jesus for the crack, but you'll never convince them of that.

Lots of people enjoy getting high, there's nothing wrong with that…
Even Jesus had wine at every dinner party, so why condemn someone's
drug of choice? What makes marijuana worse than some new designer
drug just approved by the FDA to help woody with his pecker (destined
to be pulled from the market after two or three hundred deaths are
attributed to it)?

Jesus Said You Must Hate Your Family

Hey! I didn't write it! But, much to the chagrin of most Christians,
it's right there in Luke 14:26 (KJV) for all to see. It's not a
metaphor, it's not out of context, its not part of a parable. There's
simply no way to deny that Jesus came right out and demanded his
disciples to hate their families. I've heard some Christians say I'm
misinterpreting the word "hate", which always makes me chuckle, as
I'm simply reading it from the page, no interpretation required. Then
of course we have the famous "hate means love-less" dance they do.
This is devastating once you point out that if hate can mean love,
then up can mean down, black can mean white and nothing in the Bible
can be trusted to be meaningful at all.

Are they convinced? Do they throw down the Bible and say, "You got
me, this whole book must be baloney." Well, no, of course not. The
Christian cult has so brainwashed these poor fools that they have
little chance of escaping. In most cases the whole idea is planted
very young. "God wants you to believe he exists, and he left this
book." I always thought, "Wow, and he expects me to believe THESE
idiots?"


-------------------------------------------------------------------

So, after reading all this you might ask, "Why are there so many
christians in the world if their religious beliefs are so stupid? How
could so many people be fooled by such nonsense??"

THE ANSWER:

The same way people were fooled by disco, polyester & the ice capades.

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What is this spam?

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, unhcr64@p... wrote:
> This message is about Human beings, Democracy, UNHCR, Refugees, The
Iraqis, Islam, Kurds, Human rights, Respect, Money, Donations,
Angelina Jolie, Pavarotti, Giorgio Armani, Donors, Peace, History,
Campaigns and about you if you care about these words.
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am SAM, an Iraqi refugee living in Lebanon at the moment; I have
spent the last 10 years of my life as a refugee registered with the
UNHCR in Beirut. The last 4 years, I have spent as an activist for
peace and human rights (especially refugees and asylum seekers) on the
Internet; I'm also books author and ebooks publisher. I have launched
many campaigns to improve our situation as refugees in Lebanon and
hopefully bring more understanding to our problems worldwide. I helped
make many changes and improvements at the UNHCR office in Beirut; I
used the Internet as the field for my activities (you can read more
about that in my free ebook 'MY CAMPAIGNS'). All my ebooks are free
and could be download from my sites.
>
> This is my newest campaign, it's about the illegal and humiliating
actions of the UNHCR, who using photos of refugees as banners and
human-buttons to collect money. This is an abuse of the dignity and
humanity of the refugees and must stop immediately and a clear public
apology present by The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.
My friends, I am talking about the pictures you can see here:
> http://spammer
>
> Where you can read the rest of this message as web page.
> For more info about UNHCR and life of refugees you can read my free
ebooks. I invite you as fellow humans and members of the world
community to support my campaign by reading my article on my site and
see the human-buttons. The campaign is to support and improve the
UNHCR [SNIP] especially after the last scandals in the UN and UNHCR,
just for example:
>
> The refugees allege that UNHCR staff is selling most of the food
items they are supposed to be supplied.
> "They aren't supplying sufficient food to us because they sell most
of the food items," they allege: http://snip
>
> Together we will build better world.
>
> You could reach me fast via this form: http://snip and if you like
to know more about me, you can google for my name 'osam altaee'.
>
> Thanks
> THE TRUTH WARRIOR
> http://snip

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Why must you spam us?

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "TOR" <tor_h_tor@h...> wrote:
> Groove on over to the Yahoo Group and listen
> to this amazingly amusing "SuperStar" parody in its full jocular
> splendiferousness.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spammer/

In times such as these, where the Religious Right is day by day
moving this country towards a fundamentalist theocracy, a vibrant
movement of resistance is needed.
The religious fanatics all have their missionaries to spread their
messages of hate. The theocrats have state power and are slowly
moving towards plunging the world into a Dark Age-style religious
dictatorship, they are using the power of the state to destroy
rights of all who are not like them; women, homosexuals, immigrants,
and all non-Christians, or even Christians that don't support the
same neo-fascist agenda that the Christian Right does.
We must become foot soldiers of the 'Cultural War.' Why? The
government is trying to push the religious agenda as far as
possible. That is why it is most necesarry at this point to begin
propagating atheism to counteract the fascistic Christian law
dreamed of by the Republicans.
I propose a nationally organized, propagandist organization to
challenge the Christian Right as they move to deconstruct the law
and literally replace it with the Bible.
We must create and distribute literature showing the truth about
religion, mainly Christianity. Leaflets and pamphlets can be easily
created and distributed. There is already much dispersed throughout
the interntet, but there is no organization that is out there,
actively promoting scientific understanding. We must gather people
and information to spread. By doing this, especially on campuses, we
can begin to disintergrate the social base of the Christian Fascists.
We must join forces with any and all groups that oppose the
imposition of religion upon our private lives, and the use of
religion to justify government policy. The enemy fo my enemy is my
friend.
We need people most of all. Any atheist can be of use to the
movement, and consequently, of use to the human race. People to
write movie and book critiques, study the contradictions of each
religion, principally Christianity, and show the fallacy of them.
People with knowledge of science to debunk the myth of Creationism.
People to distribute literature at schools and in all of society.
People that follow the religous influence in the government and it's
affects on our lives, and where the Christian Fascists (note: I
don't call all Christians fascists, just those that wish to create a
theocracy) want to take this country. Any and all atheists concerned
about the future should join up with the movement and spread the
truth.
We must defend even religious groups that fall under attack by
others. When in any case, 'faith' is used to oppress another person,
we must fight against it.
We need to formulate a list of demands. These will not be able to be
voted into being, as both parties are 'faith-based.' What must be
done is a social movement that will crumble the feet of the giant.
There are already a great number of excellent atheist groups
throughout the country. I support all of these in the fight against
theocracy. But what is lacking is outreach. This is what must be
done. The atheist meetup groups (atheists.meetep.com) are a great
place to start chapters throughout the country to begin the counter
attack of the Cultural War.
I am currently compiling all the atheist literature that I can email
anyone that requests it.
Anyone who would like to be part of an organized propaganda network
can email me at theocracynow@... or visit
theocracynow.blogspot.com
With Love, T.N.

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "pukaviracocha"
<theocracynow@g...> wrote:
> study the contradictions of each religion, principally Christianity,
> and show the fallacy of them.

That's already been done.  For example http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

> People with knowledge of science to debunk the myth of Creationism.

See http://www.talkorigins.org/

Hello, I just joined, I'm not even sure if this is the place to be
posting questions like this, but.......
I need some advice on dealing with religious relatives, who don't want
to listen when I say I don't believe in god, and I'm not interested in
their religion. It isn't a matter of just cutting off contact with
them, because otherwise they are good people, and I don't have much
family, so I try to keep in touch with them.
It never was an issue before, because I have lived across the country
from my father and various other religious family members since I was
14, and I've always avoided discussing religion and politics over the
phone with them. But now I am moving back to the area where they live,
to go to school (no option in going to another school, this is the
one), and I am going to see much more of them. So what should I do?
Aviod them, or keep everyone constantly entertained during visits so
there is no time for the topic to even come up? Pretending to agree
with what they think is not an option, and discussing my beliefs just
leads to back and forth neverending conversations. I'm trying to have
a plan before I do move back.

You'll probably just need to somehow try to get them to agree not to
discuss it with you.  I really don't see any other way.

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, pink_plastic_deer
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hello, I just joined, I'm not even sure if this is the place to be
> posting questions like this, but.......
> I need some advice on dealing with religious relatives, who don't want
> to listen when I say I don't believe in god, and I'm not interested in
> their religion. It isn't a matter of just cutting off contact with
> them, because otherwise they are good people, and I don't have much
> family, so I try to keep in touch with them.
> It never was an issue before, because I have lived across the country
> from my father and various other religious family members since I was
> 14, and I've always avoided discussing religion and politics over the
> phone with them. But now I am moving back to the area where they live,
> to go to school (no option in going to another school, this is the
> one), and I am going to see much more of them. So what should I do?
> Aviod them, or keep everyone constantly entertained during visits so
> there is no time for the topic to even come up? Pretending to agree
> with what they think is not an option, and discussing my beliefs just
> leads to back and forth neverending conversations. I'm trying to have
> a plan before I do move back.

Change the subject. Tell them you know all about what they're telling
you. Don't pretend to agree, but don't vocally disagree either. Let
them finish, and say something like, "Religious belief is a personal
private thing, and I'm going to keep it that way." Or maybe something
like, "Thank you for telling me that, I'll take it under
consideration."

They'll eventually get tired of you blowing them off and they'll stop
talking about it so much.



--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, pink_plastic_deer
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hello, I just joined, I'm not even sure if this is the place to be
> posting questions like this, but.......
> I need some advice on dealing with religious relatives, who don't
want
> to listen when I say I don't believe in god, and I'm not interested
in
> their religion. It isn't a matter of just cutting off contact with
> them, because otherwise they are good people, and I don't have much
> family, so I try to keep in touch with them.
> It never was an issue before, because I have lived across the
country
> from my father and various other religious family members since I
was
> 14, and I've always avoided discussing religion and politics over
the
> phone with them. But now I am moving back to the area where they
live,
> to go to school (no option in going to another school, this is the
> one), and I am going to see much more of them. So what should I do?
> Aviod them, or keep everyone constantly entertained during visits
so
> there is no time for the topic to even come up? Pretending to agree
> with what they think is not an option, and discussing my beliefs
just
> leads to back and forth neverending conversations. I'm trying to
have
> a plan before I do move back.

Wrong!

There is no part of christianity that is legislated in the USA laws.
That's a right-wing slant designed to sneak their religion in through
the back door, and it won't fly here.
The USA isn't some eutopia, our country is screwed up like many others,
we're just the richest. Rich doesn't mean right.


--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "darsoclass" <darsoclass@y...>
wrote:
>We do need to be realistic about
> the threat! The so-called "Christian Ethic" is the foundation of our
> whole legal system.  If we pretend different, we look like ammoral
> fools to the enemy.

Right, Cut - the Constitution specifically leaves out any mention of
god/gods on purpose - the "founding fathers" were considered atheists
by the fundamentalists of the day for it, too, btw.

BTW - what enemy would that be?

T.
http://thebeekeepersapprentice.com
On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Cut You Up In Pieces wrote:

>
>  Wrong!
>
>  There is no part of christianity that is legislated in the USA laws.
>  That's a right-wing slant designed to sneak their religion in through
>  the back door, and it won't fly here.
>  The USA isn't some eutopia, our country is screwed up like many
> others,
>  we're just the richest. Rich doesn't mean right.
>
>
>  --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "darsoclass" <darsoclass@y...>
>  wrote:
>  >We do need to be realistic about
>  > the threat! The so-called "Christian Ethic" is the foundation of our
>  > whole legal system.  If we pretend different, we look like ammoral
>  > fools to the enemy. 
>
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The hard-core, conservative religious freaks are obsessed with
reversing Roe vs. Wade, replacing teaching evolution in schools
ENTIRELY with teaching "creationism," requiring christian prayer in
ALL schools, installing theior members on all school boards top
ensure their christian ways always get pushed.  Hard-care xian
religious fanatics ARE INDEED VERY MUCH AT WORK trying to change
this country that EVERYONE must obey the stupid xian ways.  We MUST
FIGHT AND RESIST the xians.  The People for the American Way is
leading the fight.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Cut You Up In Pieces"
<slambango@y...> wrote:
>
> Wrong!
>
> There is no part of christianity that is legislated in the USA
laws.
> That's a right-wing slant designed to sneak their religion in
through
> the back door, and it won't fly here.
> The USA isn't some eutopia, our country is screwed up like many
others,
> we're just the richest. Rich doesn't mean right.
>
>
> --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "darsoclass"
<darsoclass@y...>
> wrote:
> >We do need to be realistic about
> > the threat! The so-called "Christian Ethic" is the foundation of
our
> > whole legal system.  If we pretend different, we look like
ammoral
> > fools to the enemy.

I do fundraising for democratic campaigns. One of which (although bipartisan,
even though most republicans hate their guts) is the P.F.T.A.W. I know how bad
this is; I am doing my part...
R.J.

tarrat47 <tarrat47@...> wrote:
The hard-core, conservative religious freaks are obsessed with
reversing Roe vs. Wade, replacing teaching evolution in schools
ENTIRELY with teaching "creationism," requiring christian prayer in
ALL schools, installing theior members on all school boards top
ensure their christian ways always get pushed.  Hard-care xian
religious fanatics ARE INDEED VERY MUCH AT WORK trying to change
this country that EVERYONE must obey the stupid xian ways.  We MUST
FIGHT AND RESIST the xians.  The People for the American Way is
leading the fight.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Cut You Up In Pieces"
<slambango@y...> wrote:
>
> Wrong!
>
> There is no part of christianity that is legislated in the USA
laws.
> That's a right-wing slant designed to sneak their religion in
through
> the back door, and it won't fly here.
> The USA isn't some eutopia, our country is screwed up like many
others,
> we're just the richest. Rich doesn't mean right.
>
>
> --- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "darsoclass"
<darsoclass@y...>
> wrote:
> >We do need to be realistic about
> > the threat! The so-called "Christian Ethic" is the foundation of
our
> > whole legal system.  If we pretend different, we look like
ammoral
> > fools to the enemy.




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EVERYONE IS CRAZY BUT YOU AND ME AND SOMETIMES I'M NOT SURE OF THEE
By New 10.
X
   Folie a deux (Insanity). The French distinguished mental
alienation from insanity (folie), considering the former in a
generic sense, while they used folie to denote a psychiatric
condition acquired by a person who had previously been in good
mental health.
	 Folie a deux (double insanity). Folie a deux has been known
by number names: communicated insanity, induced insanity, double
insanity. Suggestibility plays a part, among other factors, in the
genesis of folie a deux…when two persons closely associated with
one another suffer a psychosis simultaneously, and when one member
of the pair appears to have influenced the other. The condition is
not confined to two persons, and can involve three or even more.
Certainly the witch hunts of the 17th Century is a prime example, as
were the inquisition and the crusades. The communist hunts, heavens
gate, the popularity of the KKK in the 1930s, and Hitler's Germany
are all good examples of communicated insanity. We all (at least
those who are as old as I am) witnessed the rise of the Nazi party
that started as a small band of misfits in the 1920s. This was
during the time when Germany's economy was in shambles – when it
took a million Marks to buy a loaf of bread. I am sure Hitler
exploited this time to make promises to the German people.
	 Since the 1950s, Luce, the publisher of Time magazine, told
his editor to "PUFF" a minor preacher by the name of Billy Graham.
This was the beginning of a new wave of insanity culminating in our
present day folie a deux called "Christian Fundamentalism",
(Evangelical) one of the fastest growing religions in the world. In
addition, as you can see, our president, George Bush, is infecting
America with a new rash of insanity. Only historians in the future
will be able to look back at this period in American history to
assess the damage. They may find that this religion has caused a new
DARK AGE. There never will be a Democratic Party again in America as
long as religious fanatics have control of the Republican Party and
the U.S. government. Americans are slowly slipping into the
psychosis of fascist Christian fundamentalism, America will NEVER
recover from this mind set.
www.atheistfellowship.com

Hey ya'll.  I can't access my old email address, and therefore am
unable to mod the group anymore.  There are some messages pending, so
if another mod would be kind enough to check them out and approve or
not, that would be stupendous.  Also, it might be wise to change the
group setting or else check the group more often, otherwise some
messages may not get through.  If ya don't want the responsibility, I'd
be happy to continue supervising the kids, but I no longer have the
powers :(

devas

IS THIS TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?

By New10.



Of all the Gods once believed in by our ancestors, none exists today. There are
no more temples dedicated to the god Zeus, no more temples dedicated to the god
Mithra no more temples built to honor Asclepius, the god of health and healing
no more temples to honor Apollo the sun god or the thousands of other gods once
believed by the masses. All have been killed off by science, old age or
competition.

             It seems, however, there are two gods that will not stay dead. They
are Jesus and Jehovah--new temples are being built every day dedicated to these
two gods. If all the old gods are known to be mythical, what are the chances
that Jesus and Jehovah are not?

www.atheistfellowship.com

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I have a friend who is an atheist married to a christian, not ONLY is he
a believer but he believes in everything supernstural.How do they get
along? great! They don't discuss religion or the supernatural, simple

“Christianity indeed has equaled Judaism in the atrocities, and exceeded it in
the extent of its desolation. Eleven millions of men, women, and children have
been killed in battle, butchered in their sleep, burned to death at public
festivals of sacrifice, poisoned, tortured, assassinated, and pillaged in the
spirit of the Religion of Peace, and for the glory of the most merciful God.”
-- Percy Bysshe Shelley, A Refutation of Deism, 1814


The following sentence is true - The preceding sentence is false

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--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, n1n31nchn3rd
<n1n31nchn3rd@p...> wrote:
> (How can we NOT break the law and offend those nasty liberals with
our brainwashing? Take it off
> school property of course!)
>
> Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
>
> By Carol Morello
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
>
> STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at
recess


THIS IS HOW YOU TURN CHILDREN INTO RELIGIOUS ADDICTS
NEW10

I don't think we can distroy religion. But I think it can be weakened.
If it were possible that atheist groups with unlimited resources in
regards to money,we could have hour long twice daily atheist programs
on prime time TV. If Freethought publications were given wider
distrabution and if we had atheist columns in major newspapers. "IF"
magizines and newspapers were not cowed by the threat of boycot from
fanatical christian groups. If had atheist lobbyists in
Whashington, "if".

Lotta IF's!

Many freethinkers of the late 19th Century thought that religion would
die down, but it in fact increased.

I am reading Susan Jacoby's book "Freethinkers" now and she attributes
this increase in religious belief to the advent of mass media, radio
and such, that made it possible for those of faith to reach out to a
bigger audience and thus unite, if not increase, their ranks.

This has all culminated in the recent puch by religious groups in the
70's infiltrating schools boards and political offices at the hand of
Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition (a curse on them).

I do not think religion is going anywhere NEAR the wayside. It may
eventually, but not for a very long time. The questions we should ask
is how do we promote atheism and freethought...and how do we EDUCATE
the otherwise sheepish members of our society?

Mr. P.

--- In deathtoreligion@yahoogroups.com, "Newton Joseph"
<drnjoseph@s...> wrote:
> I don't think we can distroy religion. But I think it can be
weakened.
> If it were possible that atheist groups with unlimited resources in
> regards to money,we could have hour long twice daily atheist programs
> on prime time TV. If Freethought publications were given wider
> distrabution and if we had atheist columns in major newspapers. "IF"
> magizines and newspapers were not cowed by the threat of boycot from
> fanatical christian groups. If had atheist lobbyists in
> Whashington, "if".

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2

KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public
schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose
Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the
Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the
long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it
with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.
Above: Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational
force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing
them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education,
applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is
founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual
force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force.
Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend
upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in
vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of
evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation
of the Bible.

According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the
International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word
For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular
gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus
ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.

The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other
Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school
curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They
insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from
schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so
they can make an informed decision."

"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.

Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories
used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally
consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's
ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum
mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that
gravity is a theory in crisis.

"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory
Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity
making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read,
'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If
gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with
great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence
governs all falling."

Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law
based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical
physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's
mathematics and Holy Scripture.

"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general
relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen
Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the
Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part
of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and
carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."

"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation
is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists
need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular
words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"

Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an
elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.

"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the
'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear
force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt
their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers
of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified
force is: His name is Jesus."

Mr. Pessimistic wrote:
<"The questions we should ask is how do we promote atheism and
freethought...and how do we EDUCATE the otherwise sheepish members of
our society?">

Instead of promoting 'atheism' or 'freethought', perhaps we ought to
use the tactics that the religious use and seem to understand better.
That is to constantly point out the flaws in their thinking or
reasoning by asking them to explain it in terms that everyone can
understand, even those without a religious background.

We don't need to present them with other possibilities. We want to get
them to question for themselves what they accept as truth. We can do
this by asking them to continue to explain until they realize they
can't because they don't understand. When they come down to its just
faith" or some such, ask them to explain what faith is and how it
works, or how is it different than simply refusing to question, or
even to explain why refusing to question is preferable to seeking
knowledge. They will have to stop you from questioning, but if you
stop when they know you are still questioning, they will begin to
question themselves. Never try to get them to change their beliefs,
but only to know that you are curious.

The Socratic method of teaching is extremely effective no matter what
the subject. Get the student to answer questions without giving them
any new information. Instead of giving them  an answer which they may
immediatly object to, simply leave them questioning their own
statements or declarations (beliefs). People really don't like
unanswered questions and they will try to find answers. When they
realize they can't get the answers they start looking elsewhere.
Giving them the proper questions is the key.

We should avoid using the standard language of belief or faith, let
them discover for themselves what these things are and how they
compare when dealing with the world in which they live.

Religions are cultural. That is, every religion is unique to its
locale. Simply asking a religious person to explain why people of one
area believe one way and they believe another is enough to begin them
questioning themselves IF you don't get them started defending their
own beliefs. People must cling to their knowledge of the world (world
view)  otherwise everything they know might be wrong and that would
cause extreme anxiety.

They can be inspired to question themselves, a bit at a time, but they
can not be 'forced' to look at their entire belief structure.

Just my morning ramblings . . . . .