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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 6:04 AM
Subject: One Mighty and Strong ,questions from pater

Hi Allan ,i have recentley read the page on the One mighty and Strong ,and first i want to thank you ,because sometimes i feel the church people wich im a part of ,although it feels strange ,well i feel things that i cant say to them in a way like the dream i sent you earlier ,that is not something i can discusse with any members or the missioneries ,but i try to stay steadfast in my own beliefs by the side ,anyway there are some things i wanted to ask you about that you wrote ,so ill write them and bellow ill put my questions and thaugts bellow them ,hank you for beeing there ,it would be right of me to say that i consider you as the Main prophet
that i follow wich claims his living faith in Utah in opposition to the Hinckley
and others though he is not mentionted so much ,exept when they express their joy over having a living prophet ,but i wont critisize that point to much because i dont know the man and much of what he has said ,so its up to them ,but i dont agree much .and that is why i feel you give much of the actuall truth ,may God bless you for this.
 
One Mighty and Strong
-- An Overview
 
They are rejecting that which God commissioned them to accomplish. They are as salt that has lost its savor. Rather than creating a nation of kings and priests, prophets every one, they are so encumbered by the mentality of "follow the prophet" (who admits that he receives hardly any new revelation, saying that we have already been given more than ample from times past to guide us along), that they now persecute and even cut off from their membership any who begin to show any trappings of a prophet.
 
The Mormons are prophesied to mar the Davidic Servant, in a parallel to the Jews' crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The triumphal regeneration or healing following that marring will be on a parallel with the resurrection.
 
In what way are they to mar him? i have thougt about this and a long time ago i also found releating on your page bellow ,and these words ,They will denyme were on my thougts allready when i started meeting the Mormons ,somehow i kind of thaugt that they wouldnt recognise my beliefs with theirs ,but now months later ,they havent metioned anything in that direction ,because i put up a good will to make them happy in the best way i can ,i joined for the sake of my God and his truth wich actually was much contributed by you ,and so with144000 in mind i became a mormon. but at this time i still think they will deny my in the long run ,its confusing sometimes.
 
 

105

$ a stone,
$ a tried stone,
$ a precious corner stone,
$ a sure foundation:

THEY WILL DENY ME;

[See D&C 133:66,67; 3 Ne. 21:9-11; 28:34; Matt. 21:42-44; JST-Matt. 21:51-56.]

 
When the Mormons mar the Davidic Servant is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. They will have filled the measure of their iniquity, and the kingdom will be taken from them and given back to the house of Israel.
 
If the time is fulfield at that point then ,the time is sure to happen when and when they actually mar him ?i looked up the word mar and its negative why would they do such a thing ,on what basis ,but anyway if its ment to happen ,its for the fulfillment anyway?

The difference between the first and second advents of Messiah is that the first coming was of the Son of God to the Jews. The second advent is of the Father to the Mormons. The Father and the Son are one (as we all are to become one), hence Messiah is one, though the mission is split into these various advents.

I try to understand how God has planed this considering his attributes ,that his omnipresent ,and omnisent ,

So yes, the Davidic Servant who is to be marred by the Mormons, who are the Gentile husbandmen of the Lord's vineyard, is the Father come in the flesh. And like Jesus, he is a model paradigm for every man -- not one to forever remain on an untouchable pedestal, but one that each is to emulate and attain.

Here is where i need you help !! its a lot of meanning in the blue mentioned above ,how ?ok flesh but God in it ,yes we all feel our soul and councioussnes ,but how will he percive himself ?i understand that its not possible for him to know all things in that state ,for then he would suffer greatly ,but then he must have put the plan in motion for some things to be reaveled to him self at specific time in age ,and time itself ,but i must say it must be a pretty wellforplaned plan ,in many ways ,and all these aspects of tine and place ,i have no doubt about him knowing his own destiny thou ,he must know have known it the hole time or is it on need to know bases?

Meanwhile, as this grand plot has unfolded through the last 6000 years, elsewhere on the planet God has been working with the various races and religions of people in the way best suited to their level of growth. We might consider these various other movements as subplots to the main theme.

Considering his allready ,Being all in one ,will he aswell manifest the others ,Godly personages ,like Mithra ,Vishnu ,Meti and Buddha ich are also to come in the end and bring the world to peace ?they could be needed for the sake of many of the 6 milliard people on mother earth ,then how would this connection be with them and Christ ,at the same time at his second coming?

Our existence did not begin as humans, but before that we progressed through and mastered all the facets of the animal kingdom. We began as the most simple of elements, which to illustrate according to our current level of scientific knowledge would be the quark inside of an atom

God will still need to be all these things ,and at the same time be in one particular body? it makes some sence that he cand have this state of being when not in the flesh ,but when in a body ,i cant really picture how he is in all things ?can it be that he ctually lets the world ,or call it Satan live in time by its own mecanism and not by his hole supervision ?thus the 3 1/2 years many bad things taking place ,and the fullfilment is allowed space in time to fullfil to it hole?

So by the time we become a full-fledged God, reigning in righteousness over our own creations and soul stewardships, we will be able to say we are "in all things and through all things," for we will have been all things, and will be fully connected into the oneness that is inherent in all things.

Is it possible that god steps down for the short time that wich gives leading way by his light for his servants to find the way to heaven?leaving the door open somehow.Jesus said something of that i belive ,but i cant remeber exactly what i belive.

And like the others, he(and she) too has the veil drawn. He too must overcome like everyone else. He too must learn who he is and what his mission is and then carry it out according to his agency. He too can fail by choosing another path.

If the senario exist ,what would happen if he would fail and chose another path?bad things to all humans? but it cant be a senario sence all is predetined or is it not?

I think it was important to see that you suddenley began writing ,The Father(and Mother) because Adam was one six and Eve was one six ,Thus i belive He in the flesh will have the attributes of the missing six ,wich could signifie the firstborn wich was never born in the garden ,but for the holiness of God main creation the Man wich was first ,again will have in him the woman that will give birth to a Nation ,and God in the flesh having all three 666 ,sorry to say i know it sound crazy somehow ,but this makes some sence to me ,

So it will be with the Father (and Mother). He will grow grace for grace, line upon line, his mission unfolding step by step until it is accomplished. For him (& her) the crowning event will be following the marring and healing, and will take place at Adam-On-Diahman. This is the event spoken of in Daniel chapter 7.

Healing sound better considering that God will heal himself after humans marring him ,a question ,Do the Mormons know of this ?are they awre of whom theyr going to marre .?then why?i dont getit ,please try to explain this for me Allan im out in the blue ,little cunfused about this part .And Adam -On-Diahman ,is it in Missouri where the new Tempel will be or in Utah ?i saw a picture of the Tempel ground with its 49 other squares in Missouri ,its either the lowest or the highest level of intelligence a human can reach ,i learnd that on Jewish path ,how does this fitt together?

I went to church today ,havent been there in a while ,beacause of much work ,but i progress in my spirituallity on my own pretty good have allways done, with much help from  people like you and Dee ,today there were some older people from Saltlakecity on visit they are here for the Mormon seatrek event that will symbolise the leaving of immigrants from europe ,anyway i told them about you to see if they were familliar with your work ,but i guess they were just to old for the internet ,well well im very happyanyway for your work and i give you many kompliments ,and the overview is very clear on the things to come it was apleassure reading it ,and i hope that you might be able to help me with my questions ,i would appriciate it very much ,meanwhile i wish you all the best my dear friend .

Rev. 5:9 (NEB)  --  Thou art worthy to take the scroll and to break its seals, for thou wast slain and by thy blood dids't purchase for God men of every tribe and language, people and nation; thou hast made of them a royal house, to serve our God as priests; and they shall reign upon the earth.



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