The following is my reply to a friend who implied that the kind of "outcast"
I appear to be is more like Korihor than Abinadi.

The following exchange is posted to the discussion board where others may
also comment if they wish.

http://boardserver.mycomputer.com/list.html?u=greaterthings&f=1

The comments to which I am responding are set off by ">>"

The orriginal message is posted in its entirety at the end.

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Sid,

Your friend says,

>> Characteristics of the argument include:
>> Foolish traditions of fathers.

You know full well there good and bad traditions. D&C 123 is a perfect
example, and in perfect keeping with my intent -- to waste and wear out our
lives in bringing to light the secret works of darkness wherein we know
them. It is no light matter.

And from Ether 8 we know that the latter-day secret combination (singular)
seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries. Sound's
like the New World Order to me. Where is the voice of warning about that
today from the brethren?

I believe strongly in the value of good traditions, especially as recorded
in scripture. My website contains hundreds of documents that provide
additional and unique evidence for the truthfulness of holy writ and of its
meaning for us in our day. You might be interested to know that a key
figure at Deseret Book who also wrote the official biography of a modern
President of the LDS Church said of my book, "The Vision of All," quote, "I
don't know that I've read a more thorough analysis of the scriptures,
particularly in terms of what they mean to us today."

http://www.greaterthings.com/Books/Vision/

The book was never published because it quotes anti-communist statements
Ezra Taft Benson too often at a time when the LDS Church was just making
major inroads into Communist Countries; and also it was a bit too specific
in terms of speaking of prophecy.

>> No one may know of things to come.

Exact opposite of what I stand for. Every page on my website not only
speaks of the idea of prophecy but makes the statement at the bottom, "Would
to God that all the Lord's people were prophets."

When was the last time the Brethren spoke of prophecy over the pulpit,
especially of anything to do with the rise of the Beast? Their lips are
sealed on this one from General Conference or any other church sponsored
venue for that matter, including the average Sunday School class. It sounds
like you have your protagonists reversed on this one too.

>> Establishment of a religious/royal class supported
>> by the population.

I've never promoted this. The closest thing I've said to this (which is
wholly scriptural) is to the effect that there are legitimate ministries
(such as in missionary work) that deserve voluntary help to make ends meet.
The laborer in Zion should not labor for money, but neither should the
sincere laborer in Zion be caused to perish for their penury.

What again is the salary pulled in by General Authorities? Seminary
teachers? Church office building workers? Institute directors?

I would dare say it is far more than the tiny donations that come my way
from time to time, which are voluntary and not tied to any sort of pay roll.

Again you have your protagonist reversed.


>> No punishment for sin.

You don't hear me saying that. Not in the least. My voice of warning is
loud and strong about the need to repent and that the people have some
serious reckoning to do as for their neglect of the freedoms they have been
given by those who have gone before.

What about the brethren? They are in bed with the Communists so they can
preach the gospel in Communist countries, forgetting that God is able to
open those doors without us having to sell our birthright of freedom in the
process.

What was the "voice" they listened to in establishing the policy toward
Communist countries? It was the late David M. Kennedy, official
representative to the First Presidency and member of the Council on Foreign
Relations -- a body of elitist whose goal is world socialist government.

Again, your protagonists are reversed.

>> Current establishment perpetuates these 'lies' to
>> yoke people into bondage. etc.

I guess on this one I will agree that this is what I am saying. The current
LDS leadership is setting up their people to slip right into the grasp of
Satan's government, the global socialist system of the New World Order.
They are as salt that has lost its savor . . . and we know what happens
then. The difference, though, is that I do not view the brethren as
perpetuating these "lies" maliciously, but rather, I see it as a matter of
their being deceived by the wine of prosperity and peace, as prophesied in
Isaiah 28 so that "even the prophet and the priest err in vision and stumble
in judgment."

There may be a tiny few conspirators in their midst who know full well what
they are doing, but not the vast majority.

>> I wonder if parallels to Sterling's doctrines could
>> be drawn.

It seems to me that in each case the parallels go the other way.

Thanks for the opportunity to have this dialogue.


Sterling


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sid Unrau Gentleman and Father" <sidunrau@...>
To: <sterlingda@...>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Sid's Response to Sterling


> Sterling:
>
> Here is from one of my friends. What I sent him was your lament about the
> Independent Party candidates not willing to show up for your rally, and my
> response to you.
>
> Sid
>
>
> From: "DAVID ANTHONY MURRAY" <1MURRADB@...>
> To: <sidunrau@...>
> Subject: Re: Sid's Response to Sterling
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:50:36 -0600
>
> I'm pretty much underwhelmed by the letters you mailed me, but it seems a
> good way to get your email address into my hands.
>
> One company that you could say that Sterling finds himself in includes
> Nehor, Alma the younger, Korihoor, Gadianton, Gidgidoni, Paul, and
Zeezrom.
> And most of them turned out okay, except Nehor, Korihoor, Gidgidonni (
that
> was the governor of the dissentors who demanded that the Nephites repent
and
> join him right?)
>
> It brings up an interesting question: How come all these anti-christ
> examples were nearly exclusively book of mormon figures. The old
testament
> seems to have none, though the new testament has a few minor ones. I am
> refering of course to the syndrome of the well educated and personally
> dynamic individual who argues about the ability of the saints to believe
in
> a christ and who uses logic or rhetoric to persuade people to give him
> money. Charactaristics of the argument include:
> Foolish traditions of fathers.
> No one may know of things to come.
> Establishment of a religious/royal class supported by the population.
> No punishment for sin.
> Current establishment perpetuates these 'lies' to yoke people into
bondage.
> etc.
>
> I wonder if parallels to Sterling's doctrines could be drawn.
>
> Anyway thanks for the email. DAM
>
>