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Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none

I believe that there are levels of understanding of The Light Brotherhood and
the Dark Brotherhood. There are times that much of what people to believe to
be Satan etc tempting them is simply their own lower nature. I believe there
are times that people get a revelation and their own ego inflates and their
light is lost. I also believe there are times that someone is gaining too
much ground and attracts the attention of The Dark Brotherhood and are
targeted with various problems. But much of what is blamed on The Devil
belongs to people's own natural man. I think we could make the same sorts of
declarations about the Light Brotherhood. Much of what is credited to them is
simply our own higher natures. I think that as we gain knowledge and use it
righteously our minds and hearts are opened to more and more to the Heavenly
Libraries. There comes a time when we are of such an evolved nature that we
attract the attention on The Light Brotherhood and we are given "hidden
treasures."

I believe lower beings who are not necessarily evil and others who are not all
that evolved can also attract our attention. It is like hot and cold. There
are a lot of variables of temperature with just before boiling point being The
Light Brotherhood and just before frozen being The Dark Brotherhood. The
tepid beings are really not that evolved, but neither are they evil. Many of
our ghosts fit into that category. So just a little bit about my strange
beliefs, eh?

I believe the Light Brotherhood to be interested in doing the most good for
the group of souls they are working with and the Dark Brotherhood are doing
everything for themselves, individually. I believe that there is a Hierarchy
on both sides.

Yes I also believe that there is female energy in the Godhead. It only makes
sense that the original threesome is a father, mother and child. So following
our analogy it only makes sense that there is female energy in Satan's triad,
too.

Glad to have you tickling our brains Pamela. Anything I may say can be put in
the For What It's Worth to your soul category (FWIW).

:)
Susan

PS (((NO WHISPERING. I'M GETTING DEAF)))) Your voice and opinion is just as
important as anyone else's.
----- Original Message -----
From: cackleberrys2000 <greenham@...>
To: <davids_outcasts@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none


((very small voice))

In reading through this I am reminded of a thought. In everything
created - Heavenly Father caused there to be equals - there is Good
and just as so equally Bad. Father, Son, Holy Spirt (holy Mother -
she completes the family) and in return Satan, Lucifer, and the
Devil ( I don't know in which order they go or if I have the three
names of evil correct). How can there not be a God with out a
Satan?? It would work correctly one without the other. In all
things there is opposition.

Has anyone else heard of the Holy Spirt being our Mother (I know she
is very very very sacred) and the three equal degrees of Satan??

Pamela


--- In davids_outcasts@y..., Ure's Truly <ureway@y...> wrote:
> Sterling,
>
> To make what I believe really clear, I will try to
> state it more clear. i believe Satan does not exist
> as a person or personallity in the spirit world.
> I believe he exist in each individual person. When we
> listen to satan, we listen to that satan within each of
> us. For example: when I say "Satan walks the earth
> tempting each of us," he is wearing 6 billion pairs of
> shoes and doing a really good job. If we listen to him.
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Dennis
>
> --- "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@g...>
> wrote:
> > Dennis,
> >
> > I respect this view of yours.
> >
> > Where I take issue is where you say there is no devil.
> >
> > The fact that you believe this (if I understand your
> > statement correctly), is extremely problematic in my
> > opinion, and bespeaks of some deception in your paradigm.
> > For you to use that (saying there is no devil) as a
> > premise of support for your argument about the innocents
> > or harmlessness of Potter does not convince me to your
> > way of thinking but only further justifies my point in my
> > mind.
> >
> > Sterling
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ure's Truly
> > To: davids_outcasts@y...
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none
> >
> >
> > Sterling, All my children are grown and have minds of
> > their own. In fact, all of them, except my son, think
> > like you do; They think i've gone off the other end.
> > You
> > see, I love life. I am tring every day to Love
> > unconditionally, which is partaking of the Tree of
> > Life.
> > I believe all things. I try not to judge anything
> > except
> > it is given in Love. Since there must be opposition in
> > all things, the opposition must be created by God, or
> > else
> > He couldn't be God. Therefore all things are given in
> > love.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure I didn't say I loved Harry Potter. My
> > point was that I love life, even my problems, sins,
> > and opposition and am thankful for them and the Great
> > God who gave them to me because I sure didn't.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > --- "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > If we are not vigilant, the enemy overtakes us.
> > >
> > > If you are not aware or if you do not keep on alert,
> > then
> > > the enemy takes you down.
> > >
> > > I do not think that encouraging our children to gain
> > a
> > > fascination with witchcraft and sorcery is something
> > we
> > > as saints ought to be doing
> > >
> > > Loving Potter does that.
> > >
> > > If we teach them the difference, well, then, I guess
> > that
> > > is another matter.
> > >
> > > But still, to say there is nothing wrong with Potter
> > > smacks of non-vigilance.
> > >
> > > "I am no devil for there is none."
> > >
> > > You see, this post from Dennis is case in point. He
> > loves
> > > the book and the movie, finds nothing wrong with
> > them.
> > > He doesn't believe there is a devil either.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but I find that just a tad deluded, though
> > I
> > > do love Dennis and revere him as a great person.
> > >
> > > No, this post does not make me more inclined to want
> > to
> > > give Potter a try. It only further solidifies my
> > stance.
> > >
> > > Sterling
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ure's Truly
> > > To: davids_outcasts@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi y'all,
> > >
> > > What a great Christmas vacation. Skiing in Idaho
> > and
> > > having our 12th grand child. Just got back to
> > Houston.
> > >
> > > I loved reading Harry Potter. I loved the movie.
> > Of
> > > course I loved Kate and Leapold staring Meg Ryan.
> > I
> > > love to be intertained. I also love sports which
> > > Avraham
> > > Giliadie says is the worship of idols. I love all
> > of
> > > Avriham's works especially Isaiah by him.
> > >
> > > Even tho Harry or Kate won't be around in a few
> > > thousand years, I'll be able to say I enjoyed them.
> >
> > >
> > > I believe Christ created all things, therefore He
> > > created
> > > movies and I love movies (Christ).
> > >
> > > Frankly, I'm tired of Deciding whether there is or
> > is
> > > not
> > > a Satan. I don't believe he exists as a being but
> > he is
> > > in our minds and of course we let our minds control
> > > what
> > > is right and what is wrong, good and evil. We just
> > > love to
> > > eat off that tree don't we of which God commanded
> > us
> > > not to
> > > partake?
> > >
> > > I heard a preacher give a serman and he made a
> > > statement
> > > something like this, "the only laws we should be
> > > concerned
> > > about are those laws that show love. All the rest
> > of
> > > them
> > > stay away from. Satan loves laws and he gives us
> > more
> > > and
> > > more. Otherwise how could he control the whole
> > earth?
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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All this talk about Harry Potter, I see, has revived a little here. Though I have to admit that I have not read, nor plan to read these books, nor have I seen...
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Hi y'all, What a great Christmas vacation. Skiing in Idaho and having our 12th grand child. Just got back to Houston. I loved reading Harry Potter. I loved...
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If we are not vigilant, the enemy overtakes us. If you are not aware or if you do not keep on alert, then the enemy takes you down. I do not think that...
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Sterling, All my children are grown and have minds of their own. In fact, all of them, except my son, think like you do; They think i've gone off the other...
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Hi, Dennis, Glad you enjoyed your holiday. I miss skiing, but can't anymore after having twisted up my knee on a slope. We used to ski far into spring, even...
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Thanks Dolly, The thing I like about people on this list is they, you, make one think. That's one reason I hate to state things on this list as fact, right...
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Ure welcome! Ure right! (o; And opinions do make us think. I have found a lot of things I used to state as fact have changed from hearing the opinions of...
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From: Ure's Truly <ureway@...> Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:18:07 -0800 (PST) Sterling, All my children...
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Doug: Can you share withus the scriptures that support your approach to life, especially as it realted to delving into evil (that which is prohibited by ...
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Doug, Susan's right. The day after I was baptized by fire, I tried telling people about it, Bishop, friends, etc. I was immeadiatly put down as saying it was...
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From: "Susan Carter" <crtrfam@...> Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:21:52 -0700 Doug: Can you share with us...
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Doug: I consider my spiritual /learning time very precious. There is much conjecture out there that has to be waded through. By asking open ended questions...
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From: Ure's Truly <ureway@...> Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:15:39 -0800 (PST) Susan's right. The day...
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From: "Susan Carter" <crtrfam@...> Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:20:58 -0700 Doug: I consider my spiritual...
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"It only depends on where someone is at on their way back to God." Thank you, Susan, for this very profound statement. It's been a while since anything brought...
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Dennis, I respect this view of yours. Where I take issue is where you say there is no devil. The fact that you believe this (if I understand your statement...
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Sterling, To make what I believe really clear, I will try to state it more clear. i believe Satan does not exist as a person or personallity in the spirit...
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((very small voice)) In reading through this I am reminded of a thought. In everything created - Heavenly Father caused there to be equals - there is Good and...
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Doug, what of someone's personal revelation? Though it isn't cannonized, or scriptural, found in a standard work, can you find the truth of it. The Holy spirit...
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Doug, If I were to write down all the scriptures you want, I would be copying Max Skousen's works. Right now, in my spiritual progression, I am a MS fan....
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From: Ure's Truly <ureway@...> Subject: Re: [888] I am no devil for there is none Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:59:31 -0800 (PST) Doug, If I were to write...
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I believe that there are levels of understanding of The Light Brotherhood and the Dark Brotherhood. There are times that much of what people to believe to be...
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Pamela, I understand what you are saying. Right now I'm just in the belief stage in my studing about Satan. It could go either way. The questions that keeps...
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Susan, I really enjoyed this post. I have often, in my lifetime, wondered about these things, especially about the brotherhood,...the levels of good and...
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Yes, a classic post. I archived it at http://www.greaterthings.com/Susan/light_dark_brotherhood.htm ... From: Susan Carter To: davids_outcasts@yahoogroups.com ...
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I don't believe that Heavenly Mother is the Holy Spirit or a member of the Godhead. I say this because Heavenly Father has more than one wife and there are...
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