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From: dunbardaphne <dunbardaphne@...>
To: davidian@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:12 PM
Subject: [davidian] Re: THOUGHT-deceptions
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"At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, who is the greatest (most powerful!?) in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him and set him in the midst of them. And said, verily I say unto you, EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, and become as little children ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is the GREATEST in the kingdom of heaven" —Matt 18: 1-4.
Here we have it: Christ is not looking for someone more powerful than the MSC. Neither is He searching for one that is smaller than the MSC, a literal child; instead, He commanded us to seek a disciple, a full grown man, who is to become converted into a child. He points us to the advent described in Isa 66: 7, the birth of the "man child". This child, as evidenced by your very own counsel, is to come when no one is longing, working, anticipating or looking for him. It says, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child." You, as do many Davidians —again as evidenced by your letter— neither feel the need nor do you have the labor pains of travail to cause
you to welcome the MSA, the "man child". Yet, he is here, and instead of celebrating his birth, his smallness, you long for him to be more powerful, to be "the man" meaning someone exalted or highly-acclaimed. You apparently seek the people whom EGW condemned and disqualified to engage in the final work. Remember, she said, "In the last solemn work few great MEN will be engaged. They are self-sufficient, independent of God, and He cannot use them." She further stated, in the same reference, the following: "God will work a work in our day that but few anticipate. He will RAISE UP and exalt among us those who are taught rather by the unction of His Spirit (like Elijah) than by the outward training of scientific institutions." —EGW, Testimony for the Church, V5, p 82. Emphasis and parenthesis added. Consequently, the wise will not look for "the man" or "the child" but for "the man child". All the saints must understand that the MSA's purpose is not to rule corruption nor to manage Satan's kingdom; therefore, he is not popularly celebrated in the world nor in the church. To the contrary, he, the mustard seed, like Christ before him, is to become the greatest amongst the "Disciples indeed". Why is he called "the man child"? —for reasons which none others in history, even your contemporary heroes in the gospel, have manifested or fathomed:
· He is a man because he has reached full spiritual maturity by putting away childish things (1 Cor 13: 8-12) and by heeding Paul's counsel and abandoning the "milk", the principle doctrines of Christ and moving onward unto perfection —Heb 5: 11 to 6"1.
· He is a child or a babe because, like John the Baptist, he willingly accepts social condemnation in order to elevate Christ. By teaching Bible-based, yet hated and controversial doctrines, he decreases himself from a male disciple to a proverbial child and correspondingly increases Christ.
In so doing, he wins the Job of Prime Minister in the burgeoning kingdom. Clearly then, this Prime Minister, the Lord's leader in the Kingdom, is not a literal child; instead, he is a man who is to become spiritually converted into one. And since that man is called the greatest, it would be the height of folly for him to seek to enhance his ministry by uniting with the enemies of Christ, men who despise His, Christ's testimony. To do so would be to violate his commission and to decrease Christ. Rather than so doing, the call is extended for you and other righteous voices, the disciples, to bend their ears low and humbly embrace the still small voice in the very same way in which they embraced the ministry of Christ yesterday. Compliance with this counsel is their very salvation, their key to
passing in the Judgment of the Living. The Lord said as much when He gave the following commandment:
"…But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; and whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many" —Matt 20:26-28
Notice this above commandment of God! He directly gave to Christ this command (see John 12:49, 14: 24, 8:28, 17:8) and Christ, according to the Law of Moses for all Israel, instructed Jesus to articulate it so that humanity, in the Judgment of the Living, might be saved. It neatly reiterates the counsel of EGW and VTH which implore the church to take great care in the manner in which they respond to Elijah ---not seeking to tell him how to teach his message. Rather than so doing, all should prayerfully sit at his feet to receive his light; they should "Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth
peace" —Na 1: 15. They should let him be their minister and should do so, even if his work now appears to be insignificant....."
--- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "Henry L. Whitchurch" <whitlei@...> wrote:>
> Those who study the Writings of Ellen White, and Victor Houteff, know that derek is a false god suffering from delusions. He is like his father the devil usingScripture andInspiration of today as a method to deceive the elect if possible.
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> > >You wrote, Â "It might be time to sit back and look at new strategies"Â Â Have you considered that Father has already given you the new stratergy in the refreshing NEW wine of the mustard seed kingdom message brought to Davidia by the Lord's elect Derek West. Visit our website and investigate his avowal of 'Authentication of Antitypical David
> " you can listen to the audios under the resource page and follow VTH's And EGW'"s counsel
>   Again VTH wrote,"It is surprisingly alarming to notehow little thought has been given to the method which Inspiration has ever employed in promoting truth, and to the people's way of responding to it…it is very important that we carefully look intoit, so as to know what to watch for, and what to expect,if and when Inspiration again begins to unroll the Scroll of Prophecy. Failing to respond to Inspiration's plea, and failing to recognize that it is the voice of the Spirit of God, would mean sinning against the Holy Ghost…How essential then is it that we equip ourselves with the knowledge of this most important phenomenon of our salvation" â€"VTH, 16T, 47 [Emphasis added]Interesting, the Golden bowl not only prepared us for the possibility of another message, it also anticipated your negative reaction when,"Inspiration again begins to unroll the Scroll of Prophecy"      Which it has done in the message of the MSA and you and Davidia have
> been counseled by EGW ,"If a message comes to you that you do not understand, take pains that you may hear the reasons the messenger may give,comparing scripture with scripture, that you may know whether or not it is sustained by the word of God.If you believe that the positions taken have not the word of God for their foundation, if the position you hold on the subject cannot be con-troverted, then produce your strong reasons: for your position will not be shaken by coming in contact with error". â€"Counsels on Sabbath school work page 29
> You have yet to investigate this message that is inspired by the Holy Spirit who is reminding you and Davidia of the Lord's saying. To date none have been able to refute this message. The Word says, "These things have Ispoken unto you,being yet present with you. But the comforter…whom the Father will send in my name,he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"¯John 14: 25, 26
> After investigating the message of the MSA comparing it with scripture "that you may know whether or not it is sustained by the word of God"Â then produce your rebuttal this is your dutty.
> VTH says"Even now, in theclosing hours of the gospel period, the church says: `I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothingâ€"neither truth nor prophetâ€"though in fact she is wretched and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked' (Rev 3: 16, 17), and about to be spued out if she fails now to anoint her eyes with thisFRESH, extra oil[VTH's work today is not fresh Manna; he could only be speaking of this final work extended to Davidia]. And being unmindful of her wretched condition, she is nowready not only to reject the last message that comes to her with warnings and reproofs just before the great and dreadful day of the Lord(Mal 4:5), butalso again to crucify the Saviourshould He in person rebuke her, thereby repeating her rebelliousness of Old, as symbolized by Moses striking the `rock' twice (Num 20:11)." â€"12 Tr, 24, 25, Parenthesis belong, brackets and emphasis added.
> It seems that VTH is right on target because you are ready to reject the last message of warning before giving it the investigation that you want the church to do with the Rod, how hypocritical?
> "The Lord declares that His voice is crying to the city (to the church), and thatthe man of wisdom shall see the name, and shall hear the Rod andHimwho hath appointed It…I for one cannot overlook, neglect, or reject the Lord's counsel in this matter. I must hearthe Rod and Himwho
> has appointed it if I expect to have a home in His Kingdom" â€"VTH, 1TG, 27: 7 (parenthesis belong).
> Why won't you hearken to Him/ Christ who appointed the Rod He brings to you His life saving testimony dictated from Father, spoken through Jesus and you are now reminded by the Holy Spirit? "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death…"â€"John 8:51.Â
> "Therefore, brethren, settle it once and forever, that with the Lord's help you will no longer be carried away by winds of doctrine that are created and driven by the spirit of error, not by the Spirit of Truth, but that you will alwayslook for, and stand by, the Inspired Word of Godâ€"`thetestimony of Jesus,'delivered to you by the `Spirit of Prophecy'(Rev. 12: 17; 19: 10); that you will `hear the rod, andWhohath appointedit.' Micah 6:9." â€"VTH, Tr 6, p. 80 (parenthesis belong).  Vth believed in the inspired word of God the Testimony of Jesus which is brought to through inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
> " …To properly ascertain meaning from the Lord's testimony, you must source Hismustard seed, the man promised to make Christ's proverbial speech "plain" just as promised inMatt 20,  John six andJohn 16. He said,
> "…whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister…even as the Son man came not to be minister unto, but to minister…"â€"Matt 20: 26, 28.
> "…This is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" â€"John 6: 39, 40.Â
> He also said, "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name…"â€"John 16: 25, 26.
> "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death…"â€"John 8:51.Â
> Christ reveals that in the last day, His testimony would not only be raised again, but it would be made plain.  He showed this would occur in a day when His identity, His name, is clarified. Is this not exactly what the MSA is doing? As a result, the faithful living are to keep His sayings so as to win everlasting life. Thus, the Lord manifest that for life to be restored, His Testimony, His sayings as He abode upon Jesus, is designed to give us â€"RESTORES to usâ€" what Adam lost, life. Therefore,Matt 17 reveals a proverbial statement in need of being made plain. It could not point to us the innocence of Eden as the icon of complete restoration since theTestimony of Jesus, our source for restored life, was not given until 4000 years later and was not "made plain" until today. His testimony, the words that He had "spoken unto you, being yet present with you" â€"John 14: 24â€"is the Kingdom that is to be within the disciples, and it is the
> Rock upon which the wise are to build their house. He said, "…whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock" â€"Matt 7: 24â€"it distinguishes the wise from the foolish virgins since He also said, "and every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand" â€"Matt 7: 24. The restoration of all things point to this reality: Adam, similarly to you and many on the forum, became likened unto a "foolish man" â€"think of the foolish virginsâ€" because he rejected the plain words of Christ which professed to him, "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" â€"Gen 2: 17. In essence, Adam was created immortal; the only thing that could change his immortality was ignoring Christ's words. When he did so, he became mortal; he passed from life to death; he was a man scheduled
> for the grave. Instead of hearing Christ, he listened to an alternate channel, Lucifer, who said, "ye shall not surely die" â€"Gen 3: 4. Allow some room for creative imagination: Adam, like a character in a science-fiction movie, with his disdain for Christ's word, immediately broke the invisible barrier and stepped through a portal-conversion chamber and found his feet planted in a different universe of reality than he beforehand knew; it was a path that redirected his life towards the grave. He was scheduled to surely die; thus, had he possessed telescopic vision through time, he would have seen a fate that he was not created for; he would have seen his own tombstone. The reverse of this event is now occurring, for Christ said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." â€"John 5: 24. To hear the
> Lord's words, one must be alive; thus, we have a criterion that is different than that given to the saints yesterday, who, like Adam also died. We have the criterion for theJudgment of the Living for those who elect to finally avoid the trap of death. for their burning; this will yield for Christ his long-vaunted, `hell-gate invincible church', the churchat one with God."…. Excerpt from the Reverse Passage. Don't you want to pass in the judgment of the living?
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> Is it not obvious to we as Davidians, that we are not making much head way by going to the churches and attempting to pick out one prospect?
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> >  It might be time to sit back and look at new strategies. This is the age of computers, cyberspace.
> > While it is well we have the Rod on the computer we need to do more. One thought might be is, we can go on the SDA blogs like the singles line to get names. Another is to attempt to get the church directories for names. Then through face book send these people pertinent information. Perhaps for instance what false teachings are being preached from the pulpit. Inform them about some truth in the Rod as another. What ever one can think of at the time.
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> > By this method we cannot be black balled and we are reaching many more people than we are now, sitting in the churches and reaching no one year after year. I am certain with all the many heads out there you can think of great ideas. All this can be done right from our home computers, any day, any time, reaching the SDA's individually,"Whether they will hear or forebear".
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> > Let us all put on our thinking caps to come up with various and sundry ways to be more effective. Don't be afraid to share your ideas with all of us "Not caring who gets the credit".
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> >  Going to the churches has not been successful. We are living in the new age of science.  Most today are Nicodemus's they prefer coming out in secret."If the Lord is with us, who can be against us"?
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> > We have to keep pace with the times and be timely thinkers! The old fashion way of sitting in the churches incognito has not been effective in today's world. Forward this to your Davidian friends who are anxious to think in cyberspace language and are willing to share their ideas to benefit the cause and cause His kingdom to come quickly!
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> > Spread your ideas around and let a put new sparks into our hunting methods and God be with us!!!!!
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