I WORK WITH DSDA LEADERS IN TEXAS AND THE PHILIPPINES AND THE TRUE
LEADERS HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND HEART,,, BUT THAT IS NOT ALL OF THEM ONLY
A REMENANT FEW,,,,I BELEIVE DSDA HAS THE CORRECT MESSAGE BUT IN THE WAY
THE TEACH IT ,,, IT WILL NEED SOME REFORM AND SHIFTING OF WERE THEY PUT
THINGS ,,, LIKE THE KINGDOME ESTABLISHED,,, LIKE THE 4 WINDS ,, LIKE
HIGH HEADED ATTITUDES OF THINKING THEY ARE THE CHOSEN 144,000 ALREADY
WITH THIER MOUTH THEY SAY NO BUT WITH THIER ATTITUDES THEY SAY YES WE
ARE.... GOD CAN CHANGE THESE THINGS AND HE WILL ,,, BUT IF THEY STAY IN
THE BOX THEY WILL BE JUST AS LOST AS THE SDA'S THEY SAY WILL BE
SLAUGHTERED ((( THERE IS NO SEALING UNTIL THE HEART IS PURE(((3SM 427
WHEN PERFECT CHARACTER WILL BE REACHED THAT'S WHEN WE WILL BE SEALED
))))) THAT IS WHY SDA'S AND SUNDAY KEEPERS ALIKE WILL GO THROUGH THE
TRIALES TO BE PURIFIED BE FOR BEING SEALED (((( FOR WHAT EVER REASON GOD
DOES IT THE 144,000 ARE SEALED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST EVENTS BUT
WE DO NOT GET OFF WITHOUT TRIALS TO PURIFY US BEFORE WE ARE
SEALED,,,,SABBATH KEEPING SDA'S WILL HAVE TO PROVE THEMSELVES SAME AS
SUNDAY KEEPERS
--- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "sd4a" <sd4a@...> wrote:
>
> Hi It may prove wise to stop hanging so much on what these "All
> DSDA", say and just settle into seeing without bias, what is actually
> being said. There are yet a few items to consider:
> * The "establishment" of the Kingdom is not the Kingdom complete and
> received by all.
> * The terms used in those GC passages must be carefully considered
> while we note that EGW does make other clear statements about the
> Kingdom, and the promises etc.
> * When writing, EGW does make reference to God's people, but consider
> that at times she is making reference to them in different sections.
We
> would say that those hiding in the "solitary places", are those that
> have not as yet been brought to the Kingdom. Simply because at one
> point they are seen hiding in different places, does in no way mean
that
> when Christ comes in the clouds, they must there be found. She does
> mention that there is "one clear place of settled glory. Note that EGW
> did not understand or explain everything.
> * God is fair, and all will have opportunity to prove who they are.
> " No truth is more clearly taught in the Bible than that God by his
> Holy Spirit especially directs his servants on earth in the great
> movements for the carrying forward of the work of salvation. Men are
> instruments in the hand of God, employed by him to accomplish his
> purposes of grace and mercy. Each has his part to act; to each is
> granted a measure of light, adapted to the necessities of his time,
and
> sufficient to enable him to perform the work which God has given him
to
> do. But no man, however honored of Heaven, has ever attained to a full
> understanding of the great plan of redemption, or even to a perfect
> appreciation of the divine purpose in the work for his own time. Men
do
> not fully understand what God would accomplish by the work which he
> gives them to do; they do not comprehend, in all its bearings, the
> message which they utter in his name. {GC88 343.2}" We must continue
> to study, to see what is really being said, before we make up our
minds.
> We must be careful. Take Care Walt
> --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > MANY IF NOT ALL DSDA SAY THE KINGDOME IS ESTABLISHED WHEN GOD CALLED
> THE
> > 144,000 ((( ISN'T THAT TRUE???))))
> >
> > BUT G/C 613,614 AND 416 SAY NO,,, WHY DO WE IGNORE THIS????
> >
> > DSDA SAYS THE PEOPLE GATHER IN THE KINGDOM DURING SUNDAY LAW ((( IS
> THAT
> > TRUE ????)))) BUT SOP SAYS THEY PEOPLE ARE GATHERED BY GOD IN THE
> > MOUNTIANS IN CAMPS OUT SIDE THE CITYS (((HOW CAN THEY BE IN THE
> KINGDOM
> > AND IN THE MOUNTIANS IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT CAMPS???)))
> >
> > BUT IF WE FOLLOW JESUS SOP IT SAYS WE GATHER IN THE MOUNTIANS AS IT
> SAYS
> > ((( AND JESUS OPENS THE DOOR TO THE KINGDOM AT GENERAL CLOSE OF
> > PROVISION G/C 416 WHEN HE RECIEVERS THE KINGDOM OF DAVID.
> >
> > ALL DSDA ARE IN A HURRY TO CONDIM AND KILL OR SLAUGHTER ALL SDA
> MEMBERS
> > ,, EVEN THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH YET,,, BUT WE ARE WILLING
TO
> > BELIEVE BAPTIST AND CATHOLICS ARE SAVED NOT KNOWING THE TRUTH
> ,,,WHY????
> >
> >
> >
> > GOD WILL SLAUGHTER ALL WHO DO NOT ACCEPT AND OBEY,,, IN DUE TIME,,,
> > ((WHEN EGW IN 3SM 409 SAYS EVERYONE WILL BE SEALED BEFORE THE 4
WINDS
> > ARE RELEASED , 5T 152 SAYS WE HAVE A WORK TO DO BEFORE THE ANGLES
> > RELEASE THE 4 WINDS )(((( SO WE NEED TO WORK NOW))) NOT AFTER THE 4
> > WINDS ARE RELEASED,,,,,
> >
> >
> >
> > 144,000 CALLED THE 4 WINDS ARE NOT RELEASED ACCORDING TO 3SM,409 AND
> 5T
> > 152
> >
> > THE BIBLE SAYS JUDGEMENT WILL START WITH ISRAEL IT DOES NOT SAY WHEN
> > THAT JUDGEMENT MAY START AFTER THE GENERAL CLOSE OF PROVISION((( GOD
> > CLOSEING PROVISION ON SDA ONCE THEY HAVE ALL HEARD THE TRUTH AND
> > REJECTED IT OR ACCEPTED IT , WOULD SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE WORLD,,,
> G/C
> > 608 SAYS THE SDA MEMBERS WHO HAVE JOINED RANKS WITH THE WORLD ARE
NOW
> > OUR WORSE ENEMIES ((( IF THEY WERE SLAUGHTERED HOW CAN THEY BE AN
> > ENEMIE??????))) WHY ARE THEY STILL ALIVE IN THE SUNDAY LAW
> PERIOD??????
> >
> > EW 282 HOW CAN THIS BE SUNDAY KEEPERS WHEN THE SUNDAY KEEPERS NEVER
> HAD
> > THE TRUTH UNTIL THE TIME OF SUNDAY LAW????? NO DOCTRIN IS WRITTEN IN
> THE
> > SOP FOR SUNDAY KEEPERS OR THIER MINISTERS(((( ONLY A MESSAGE FOR THE
> > SABBATH KEEPING MINISTERS IS IN THE SOP.
> >
> >
> >
> > LIGHT WILL COME ,,, LET THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAK IN CHRIST
> > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "wildetrent" have4greenclock@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm not saying that Ellen White did not write 3SM 409. She wrote
the
> > > words, but not in the context given in 3SM. Its like if i was to
> take
> > a
> > > passage from the bible and quote the beginning and the end, but
not
> > the
> > > middle, it would make is seem as though its speaking of something
> > else.
> > >
> > > EXAMPLE:
> > >
> > > Revelation 14
> > >
> > > 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen,
is
> > > fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the
> > wine
> > > of the wrath of her fornication.
> > > ...
> > > 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which
is
> > > poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he
> > shall
> > > be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy
> > angels,
> > > and in the presence of the Lamb:
> > >
> > > -It is true that this is from Revelation and God wrote this using
> > John..
> > > But it is taken out of context. Like this, one would think that
Rev
> > 14:
> > > 10 is speaking of the 2nd Angel's message. The wrong Angel. If I
had
> > > included Revelation 14: 9 it would be clear that this is part of
the
> > 3rd
> > > Angel's message. Just as in 3SM 409. It seems like the "unseen
> angels"
> > > are the angels holding the four winds. This is because the people
> > > compiling the writings of EGW skipped part of the letter. When
> reading
> > > the whole letter, one will see that the "unseen angels" are
> different
> > > angels than the angels holding the four winds.
> > >
> > > - It is true that the Kingdom will not be complete until all the
> > saints
> > > are in it. But it will be set up(established) before than. Read
> > > Answerer Book 2 pg. 74-85 and Mount Zion at the 11th Hour. Dan 2:
44
> > > says that the Kingdom must be "set up" "in the days of these
kings".
> > > which is now. Also See..
> > >
> > > EW 280
> > >
> > > While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary, the judgment
had
> > been
> > > going on for the righteous dead, and then for the righteous
living.
> > > Christ had received His kingdom, having made the atonement for His
> > > people and blotted out their sins. The subjects of the kingdom
were
> > made
> > > up. The marriage of the Lamb was consummated. And the kingdom, and
> the
> > > greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, was given to
Jesus
> > and
> > > the heirs of salvation, and Jesus was to reign as King of kings
and
> > Lord
> > > of lords. {EW 280.1}
> > >
> > > -Also see 20MR 223 where EGW is directed by God to point us to Isa
> 11
> > > and 12. Isa 11 proves the Kingdom will be before the coming of
> Christ
> > in
> > > the clouds.
> > > - Reading those quotes from GC in context you will see that they
are
> > > referring to the Kingdom of Heaven. Not the pre-millenial Kingdom.
> > > -Now I am curious... what is your stance on the Shepherd's Rod
> > Message?
> > > Your last comment makes it seem as though, as of now, you do not
> > > believe in the Kingdom before the second coming.. Which is what
the
> > Rod
> > > teaches. so... Do you believe the Rod? Are You Against it? Or are
> you
> > > just looking into it? Either way, its good sharing quotes. God
Bless
> > >
> > > Trent
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > SO EGW DID NOT WRITE 3SM 409 AND EVEN IT SAYS 4 WINDS NOT
RELEASED
> > ,,,
> > > > IT REALLY DOES NOT MEAN IT,,, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ??? MY
> > > FRIEND
> > > > IS ONE OF YOU TOP LEADERS IN TEXAS ,,, BUT AS YOU SAY HE ALSO
CAN
> BE
> > > > WRONG,,,, BUT I TEND TO BELIEVE 3SM 409 IS LITERAL , AND THE
ERROR
> > IS
> > > > NOT UNCORRECTABLE,, AS MANY DSDA TELL ME THE KINGDOM IS
> ESTABLISHED
> > > > BEFORE SUNDAY LAW ,,,, 7 T 171, MB 107&108 , G/C 613,614,416,479
-
> > > 480,
> > > > 347, ANSWERS BOOK 2 PAGE 85 SAY ITS NOT COMPLETE UNTIL THE
RETURN
> OF
> > > > JESUS MEANING NOT ESTABLISHED UNTIL JESUS COLLETS ALL OR
EVERYONE
> OF
> > > HIS
> > > > TROPHEYS AND TAKES THEM BACK TO HEAVEN ,,, SO WHO DO I BELIEVE
> > > > NOW?????((( IF WE ARE TO WATCH EVERY WORD WE MUST READ EVERY
WORD
> 5T
> > > > SAID WE HAVE WORK TO DO AND AFTER THAT WORK THE 4 WINDS ARE
> RELEASED
> > > (((
> > > > MEANING WHILE THERE IS WORK TO DO LIKE GATHERING THE GREAT
> MULTITUDE
> > > THE
> > > > 4 WINDS ARE NOT RELEASED...IF YOU HAVE MORE PLEASE WRITE IT IS
> > > > INTERESTING TO HEAR AND I LOVE THIS UNITY OF THE TRUTH IN CHRIST
> > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "wildetrent" have4greenclock@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello bigrfel,
> > > > >
> > > > > Selected Messages is a compilation made after the death of EGW
> and
> > > 3SM
> > > > > 409 is pulling those statements out of context. It is true
that
> > > > Everyone
> > > > > Means Everyone. That is, both the first fruits and the second
> > > fruits.
> > > > > But the angels referred to are not the angels of Rev 7 holding
> the
> > > > > winds. If you still have questions please prayerfully re-read
> that
> > > > whole
> > > > > section from 20MR. As far as the Davidian friend of yours that
> > > > commented
> > > > > on EW 282, I don't know him, and perhaps he is a great guy and
> > very
> > > > > intelligent. But we must remember that we are not to make
flesh
> > our
> > > > arm.
> > > > > The SOP says to take no mans explanation of scripture no
matter
> > what
> > > > his
> > > > > position is TM 155. Testimonies to Ministers has a lot about
> > making
> > > > > flesh our arm. And shows the danger of it. Do not take this to
> > mean
> > > i
> > > > > have anything against your friend, because I don't, I don't
even
> > > know
> > > > > him. But I have made mistakes before by making flesh my arm
and
> > all
> > > i
> > > > > can do is pray that others don't make the same mistakes, and
> show
> > > the
> > > > > quotes to help others understand. So here are some more quotes
> > from
> > > > TM.
> > > > > PG... 106, 138, 209, 214-215, 220, 281, 298, 313, 329, 347,
> > 349-350,
> > > > > 367, 374-375, 376, 380-381, 385-386, 464, 480, 483, 484, 487,
> 492,
> > > > 494,
> > > > > 498. Hopefully some of these will come in useful. I know
reading
> > all
> > > > > these laid the principle in my mind. That whole book is really
> > > amazing
> > > > > actually. If you haven't read it, i highly recommend it. God
> Bless
> > > > >
> > > > > Trent
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ONCE I WAS SENT 5T 152 IT BECAME CLEAR THAT 3SM 409 AND 5T
152
> > > AGREE
> > > > > > WITH EACH OTHER ((( AND I KNOW DSDA HAS BEEN TEACHING IT FOR
> > MANY
> > > > > YEARS
> > > > > > THE OTHER WAY,,, AND WE ARE NEAR THE END ,, AND LIGHT IS
> > SHINEING
> > > > > > BRIGHTER ON THE SOP ,, ITS TIME WE LEAVE THE TIMELINE OF THE
> > > > SLAUGHTER
> > > > > > TO GOD NOT TO MAN'S IDEA GOD WILL KILL IN HIS DUE TIME (((
LET
> > US
> > > > NOT
> > > > > > BECOME IN THE LAODICEAN CONDITION THAT WE ARE NEVER IN ERROR
> AND
> > > WE
> > > > > NEED
> > > > > > NOT NEW LIGHT WE ARE PERFECT,,, LET GOD LEAD ,,, TO BE IN
> HONEST
> > > > ERROR
> > > > > > IS NOT SIN , IS NOT A FALSE DOCTRIN ,,, BUT TO CONTINUE IN
> ERROR
> > > > ONCE
> > > > > > GOD HAS REVIELED LIGHT TO YOU THAT IS SIN AND IN THE
LAODICEAN
> > > > > CONDITION
> > > > > > THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND ((( I AM NOT POINTING OUT YOU
ARE
> > > BLIND
> > > > OR
> > > > > > ANY OTHER SUCH THING ))) I AM JUST SAYING LET US KEEP THE
> HEART
> > > OPEN
> > > > > ITS
> > > > > > TO CLOSE TO THE FINAL WARNING FOR US TO SLEEP NOW,,, IN
CHRIST
> > > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "mysaviorandme"
> mysaviorandme@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bro.Bigrfel,
> > > > > > > Here is a quote the Lord brought to my attention while
> working
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > > timeline from the Rod:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The angels' holding back the winds at the four corners of
> the
> > > > earth
> > > > > > denotes that they are holding back some world-wide trouble
> > which,
> > > > > should
> > > > > > it break out while the church is in her Laodicean condition,
> > would
> > > > > block
> > > > > > the sealing. And from this fact, it follows that immediately
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > > 144,00 are sealed, the trouble will begin, signalizing the
> > angels'
> > > > > > loosing the winds. With this trouble "such as never was
since
> > > there
> > > > > was
> > > > > > a nation" (Dan.12:1), the great multitude is to be brought
> face
> > to
> > > > > face
> > > > > > while being called out of Babylon (Rev.18:4) into the
> Kingdom."
> > > > > > > 9 Tract Pg.58.2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > > > > Bro.Scott
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I JUST WANT YOUR HONEST ANSWER , IS IT WHEN THE 144,000
> ARE
> > > > CALLED
> > > > > > ???? IS IT BEFORE SUNDAY LAW OR AT THE TIME SUNDAY LAW IS
> > > CALLED????
> > > > > OR
> > > > > > DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER ?????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>