YES I AGREE ((( I HAVE STURDIED WITH MANY SABBATH GROUPS AND ALL GET
STUCK IN A BOX OF BELIEFS))) AND WILL NOT LISTEN OR READ ANYTHING
OUTSIDE OF THOSE BELIEFS , EVEN ITS CLEAR THEY MAKE EXCUSES , ITS WHY I
AM PRAYING FOR THE 144,000 TO COME QUICKLY ,, I AM SYING AND CRYING TO
SDA'S , SDARMS, AND DSDA BUT THEY ARE IN THE BOX AND IF I WILL NOT GET
IN THE BOX WITH THEM THEY BELIEVE I AM WORKING FOR SATAN,, MAYBE YOU
UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING IN CHRIST
--- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "sd4a" <sd4a@...> wrote:
>
> Hi It may prove wise to stop hanging so much on what these "All
> DSDA", say and just settle into seeing without bias, what is actually
> being said. There are yet a few items to consider:
> * The "establishment" of the Kingdom is not the Kingdom complete and
> received by all.
> * The terms used in those GC passages must be carefully considered
> while we note that EGW does make other clear statements about the
> Kingdom, and the promises etc.
> * When writing, EGW does make reference to God's people, but consider
> that at times she is making reference to them in different sections.
We
> would say that those hiding in the "solitary places", are those that
> have not as yet been brought to the Kingdom. Simply because at one
> point they are seen hiding in different places, does in no way mean
that
> when Christ comes in the clouds, they must there be found. She does
> mention that there is "one clear place of settled glory. Note that EGW
> did not understand or explain everything.
> * God is fair, and all will have opportunity to prove who they are.
> " No truth is more clearly taught in the Bible than that God by his
> Holy Spirit especially directs his servants on earth in the great
> movements for the carrying forward of the work of salvation. Men are
> instruments in the hand of God, employed by him to accomplish his
> purposes of grace and mercy. Each has his part to act; to each is
> granted a measure of light, adapted to the necessities of his time,
and
> sufficient to enable him to perform the work which God has given him
to
> do. But no man, however honored of Heaven, has ever attained to a full
> understanding of the great plan of redemption, or even to a perfect
> appreciation of the divine purpose in the work for his own time. Men
do
> not fully understand what God would accomplish by the work which he
> gives them to do; they do not comprehend, in all its bearings, the
> message which they utter in his name. {GC88 343.2}" We must continue
> to study, to see what is really being said, before we make up our
minds.
> We must be careful. Take Care Walt
> --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > MANY IF NOT ALL DSDA SAY THE KINGDOME IS ESTABLISHED WHEN GOD CALLED
> THE
> > 144,000 ((( ISN'T THAT TRUE???))))
> >
> > BUT G/C 613,614 AND 416 SAY NO,,, WHY DO WE IGNORE THIS????
> >
> > DSDA SAYS THE PEOPLE GATHER IN THE KINGDOM DURING SUNDAY LAW ((( IS
> THAT
> > TRUE ????)))) BUT SOP SAYS THEY PEOPLE ARE GATHERED BY GOD IN THE
> > MOUNTIANS IN CAMPS OUT SIDE THE CITYS (((HOW CAN THEY BE IN THE
> KINGDOM
> > AND IN THE MOUNTIANS IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT CAMPS???)))
> >
> > BUT IF WE FOLLOW JESUS SOP IT SAYS WE GATHER IN THE MOUNTIANS AS IT
> SAYS
> > ((( AND JESUS OPENS THE DOOR TO THE KINGDOM AT GENERAL CLOSE OF
> > PROVISION G/C 416 WHEN HE RECIEVERS THE KINGDOM OF DAVID.
> >
> > ALL DSDA ARE IN A HURRY TO CONDIM AND KILL OR SLAUGHTER ALL SDA
> MEMBERS
> > ,, EVEN THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH YET,,, BUT WE ARE WILLING
TO
> > BELIEVE BAPTIST AND CATHOLICS ARE SAVED NOT KNOWING THE TRUTH
> ,,,WHY????
> >
> >
> >
> > GOD WILL SLAUGHTER ALL WHO DO NOT ACCEPT AND OBEY,,, IN DUE TIME,,,
> > ((WHEN EGW IN 3SM 409 SAYS EVERYONE WILL BE SEALED BEFORE THE 4
WINDS
> > ARE RELEASED , 5T 152 SAYS WE HAVE A WORK TO DO BEFORE THE ANGLES
> > RELEASE THE 4 WINDS )(((( SO WE NEED TO WORK NOW))) NOT AFTER THE 4
> > WINDS ARE RELEASED,,,,,
> >
> >
> >
> > 144,000 CALLED THE 4 WINDS ARE NOT RELEASED ACCORDING TO 3SM,409 AND
> 5T
> > 152
> >
> > THE BIBLE SAYS JUDGEMENT WILL START WITH ISRAEL IT DOES NOT SAY WHEN
> > THAT JUDGEMENT MAY START AFTER THE GENERAL CLOSE OF PROVISION((( GOD
> > CLOSEING PROVISION ON SDA ONCE THEY HAVE ALL HEARD THE TRUTH AND
> > REJECTED IT OR ACCEPTED IT , WOULD SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE WORLD,,,
> G/C
> > 608 SAYS THE SDA MEMBERS WHO HAVE JOINED RANKS WITH THE WORLD ARE
NOW
> > OUR WORSE ENEMIES ((( IF THEY WERE SLAUGHTERED HOW CAN THEY BE AN
> > ENEMIE??????))) WHY ARE THEY STILL ALIVE IN THE SUNDAY LAW
> PERIOD??????
> >
> > EW 282 HOW CAN THIS BE SUNDAY KEEPERS WHEN THE SUNDAY KEEPERS NEVER
> HAD
> > THE TRUTH UNTIL THE TIME OF SUNDAY LAW????? NO DOCTRIN IS WRITTEN IN
> THE
> > SOP FOR SUNDAY KEEPERS OR THIER MINISTERS(((( ONLY A MESSAGE FOR THE
> > SABBATH KEEPING MINISTERS IS IN THE SOP.
> >
> >
> >
> > LIGHT WILL COME ,,, LET THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAK IN CHRIST
> > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "wildetrent" have4greenclock@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm not saying that Ellen White did not write 3SM 409. She wrote
the
> > > words, but not in the context given in 3SM. Its like if i was to
> take
> > a
> > > passage from the bible and quote the beginning and the end, but
not
> > the
> > > middle, it would make is seem as though its speaking of something
> > else.
> > >
> > > EXAMPLE:
> > >
> > > Revelation 14
> > >
> > > 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen,
is
> > > fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the
> > wine
> > > of the wrath of her fornication.
> > > ...
> > > 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which
is
> > > poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he
> > shall
> > > be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy
> > angels,
> > > and in the presence of the Lamb:
> > >
> > > -It is true that this is from Revelation and God wrote this using
> > John..
> > > But it is taken out of context. Like this, one would think that
Rev
> > 14:
> > > 10 is speaking of the 2nd Angel's message. The wrong Angel. If I
had
> > > included Revelation 14: 9 it would be clear that this is part of
the
> > 3rd
> > > Angel's message. Just as in 3SM 409. It seems like the "unseen
> angels"
> > > are the angels holding the four winds. This is because the people
> > > compiling the writings of EGW skipped part of the letter. When
> reading
> > > the whole letter, one will see that the "unseen angels" are
> different
> > > angels than the angels holding the four winds.
> > >
> > > - It is true that the Kingdom will not be complete until all the
> > saints
> > > are in it. But it will be set up(established) before than. Read
> > > Answerer Book 2 pg. 74-85 and Mount Zion at the 11th Hour. Dan 2:
44
> > > says that the Kingdom must be "set up" "in the days of these
kings".
> > > which is now. Also See..
> > >
> > > EW 280
> > >
> > > While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary, the judgment
had
> > been
> > > going on for the righteous dead, and then for the righteous
living.
> > > Christ had received His kingdom, having made the atonement for His
> > > people and blotted out their sins. The subjects of the kingdom
were
> > made
> > > up. The marriage of the Lamb was consummated. And the kingdom, and
> the
> > > greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, was given to
Jesus
> > and
> > > the heirs of salvation, and Jesus was to reign as King of kings
and
> > Lord
> > > of lords. {EW 280.1}
> > >
> > > -Also see 20MR 223 where EGW is directed by God to point us to Isa
> 11
> > > and 12. Isa 11 proves the Kingdom will be before the coming of
> Christ
> > in
> > > the clouds.
> > > - Reading those quotes from GC in context you will see that they
are
> > > referring to the Kingdom of Heaven. Not the pre-millenial Kingdom.
> > > -Now I am curious... what is your stance on the Shepherd's Rod
> > Message?
> > > Your last comment makes it seem as though, as of now, you do not
> > > believe in the Kingdom before the second coming.. Which is what
the
> > Rod
> > > teaches. so... Do you believe the Rod? Are You Against it? Or are
> you
> > > just looking into it? Either way, its good sharing quotes. God
Bless
> > >
> > > Trent
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > SO EGW DID NOT WRITE 3SM 409 AND EVEN IT SAYS 4 WINDS NOT
RELEASED
> > ,,,
> > > > IT REALLY DOES NOT MEAN IT,,, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ??? MY
> > > FRIEND
> > > > IS ONE OF YOU TOP LEADERS IN TEXAS ,,, BUT AS YOU SAY HE ALSO
CAN
> BE
> > > > WRONG,,,, BUT I TEND TO BELIEVE 3SM 409 IS LITERAL , AND THE
ERROR
> > IS
> > > > NOT UNCORRECTABLE,, AS MANY DSDA TELL ME THE KINGDOM IS
> ESTABLISHED
> > > > BEFORE SUNDAY LAW ,,,, 7 T 171, MB 107&108 , G/C 613,614,416,479
-
> > > 480,
> > > > 347, ANSWERS BOOK 2 PAGE 85 SAY ITS NOT COMPLETE UNTIL THE
RETURN
> OF
> > > > JESUS MEANING NOT ESTABLISHED UNTIL JESUS COLLETS ALL OR
EVERYONE
> OF
> > > HIS
> > > > TROPHEYS AND TAKES THEM BACK TO HEAVEN ,,, SO WHO DO I BELIEVE
> > > > NOW?????((( IF WE ARE TO WATCH EVERY WORD WE MUST READ EVERY
WORD
> 5T
> > > > SAID WE HAVE WORK TO DO AND AFTER THAT WORK THE 4 WINDS ARE
> RELEASED
> > > (((
> > > > MEANING WHILE THERE IS WORK TO DO LIKE GATHERING THE GREAT
> MULTITUDE
> > > THE
> > > > 4 WINDS ARE NOT RELEASED...IF YOU HAVE MORE PLEASE WRITE IT IS
> > > > INTERESTING TO HEAR AND I LOVE THIS UNITY OF THE TRUTH IN CHRIST
> > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "wildetrent" have4greenclock@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello bigrfel,
> > > > >
> > > > > Selected Messages is a compilation made after the death of EGW
> and
> > > 3SM
> > > > > 409 is pulling those statements out of context. It is true
that
> > > > Everyone
> > > > > Means Everyone. That is, both the first fruits and the second
> > > fruits.
> > > > > But the angels referred to are not the angels of Rev 7 holding
> the
> > > > > winds. If you still have questions please prayerfully re-read
> that
> > > > whole
> > > > > section from 20MR. As far as the Davidian friend of yours that
> > > > commented
> > > > > on EW 282, I don't know him, and perhaps he is a great guy and
> > very
> > > > > intelligent. But we must remember that we are not to make
flesh
> > our
> > > > arm.
> > > > > The SOP says to take no mans explanation of scripture no
matter
> > what
> > > > his
> > > > > position is TM 155. Testimonies to Ministers has a lot about
> > making
> > > > > flesh our arm. And shows the danger of it. Do not take this to
> > mean
> > > i
> > > > > have anything against your friend, because I don't, I don't
even
> > > know
> > > > > him. But I have made mistakes before by making flesh my arm
and
> > all
> > > i
> > > > > can do is pray that others don't make the same mistakes, and
> show
> > > the
> > > > > quotes to help others understand. So here are some more quotes
> > from
> > > > TM.
> > > > > PG... 106, 138, 209, 214-215, 220, 281, 298, 313, 329, 347,
> > 349-350,
> > > > > 367, 374-375, 376, 380-381, 385-386, 464, 480, 483, 484, 487,
> 492,
> > > > 494,
> > > > > 498. Hopefully some of these will come in useful. I know
reading
> > all
> > > > > these laid the principle in my mind. That whole book is really
> > > amazing
> > > > > actually. If you haven't read it, i highly recommend it. God
> Bless
> > > > >
> > > > > Trent
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ONCE I WAS SENT 5T 152 IT BECAME CLEAR THAT 3SM 409 AND 5T
152
> > > AGREE
> > > > > > WITH EACH OTHER ((( AND I KNOW DSDA HAS BEEN TEACHING IT FOR
> > MANY
> > > > > YEARS
> > > > > > THE OTHER WAY,,, AND WE ARE NEAR THE END ,, AND LIGHT IS
> > SHINEING
> > > > > > BRIGHTER ON THE SOP ,, ITS TIME WE LEAVE THE TIMELINE OF THE
> > > > SLAUGHTER
> > > > > > TO GOD NOT TO MAN'S IDEA GOD WILL KILL IN HIS DUE TIME (((
LET
> > US
> > > > NOT
> > > > > > BECOME IN THE LAODICEAN CONDITION THAT WE ARE NEVER IN ERROR
> AND
> > > WE
> > > > > NEED
> > > > > > NOT NEW LIGHT WE ARE PERFECT,,, LET GOD LEAD ,,, TO BE IN
> HONEST
> > > > ERROR
> > > > > > IS NOT SIN , IS NOT A FALSE DOCTRIN ,,, BUT TO CONTINUE IN
> ERROR
> > > > ONCE
> > > > > > GOD HAS REVIELED LIGHT TO YOU THAT IS SIN AND IN THE
LAODICEAN
> > > > > CONDITION
> > > > > > THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND ((( I AM NOT POINTING OUT YOU
ARE
> > > BLIND
> > > > OR
> > > > > > ANY OTHER SUCH THING ))) I AM JUST SAYING LET US KEEP THE
> HEART
> > > OPEN
> > > > > ITS
> > > > > > TO CLOSE TO THE FINAL WARNING FOR US TO SLEEP NOW,,, IN
CHRIST
> > > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "mysaviorandme"
> mysaviorandme@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bro.Bigrfel,
> > > > > > > Here is a quote the Lord brought to my attention while
> working
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > > timeline from the Rod:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The angels' holding back the winds at the four corners of
> the
> > > > earth
> > > > > > denotes that they are holding back some world-wide trouble
> > which,
> > > > > should
> > > > > > it break out while the church is in her Laodicean condition,
> > would
> > > > > block
> > > > > > the sealing. And from this fact, it follows that immediately
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > > 144,00 are sealed, the trouble will begin, signalizing the
> > angels'
> > > > > > loosing the winds. With this trouble "such as never was
since
> > > there
> > > > > was
> > > > > > a nation" (Dan.12:1), the great multitude is to be brought
> face
> > to
> > > > > face
> > > > > > while being called out of Babylon (Rev.18:4) into the
> Kingdom."
> > > > > > > 9 Tract Pg.58.2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > > > > Bro.Scott
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In davidian@yahoogroups.com, "bigrfel" bigrfel@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I JUST WANT YOUR HONEST ANSWER , IS IT WHEN THE 144,000
> ARE
> > > > CALLED
> > > > > > ???? IS IT BEFORE SUNDAY LAW OR AT THE TIME SUNDAY LAW IS
> > > CALLED????
> > > > > OR
> > > > > > DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER ?????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>