shabat shalom to all.  here is the latest info i have gathered through my
czernowitz agent.  it is currently fully accurate but there is a possibility
that by next year there will be flights to cz. from outside the ukraine.
currently we can fly to kiev or lwiw(lemberg). lviv or lwiw(take your pick!)
has flightconnections with frankfurt,vienna and warsaw. frankfurt-lviv
tuesd and frid dep 12.10    arr. 14.10.   lviv- frankfurt tues and frid dep
9.05,  arr.11.05.  vienna-lviv  on monday ,wednesday,friday and sunday dep.
14.15,  arr.15.45.     lviv-vienna same days, dep 16.20,  arr.17.35.
warsaw-lviv daily. dep. 12.25 ,arr.13.45,  return  14.10 with arr 16.00
from lviv it is about 5 hrs by car or bus, and it is a fascinating drive
through " fiddler on the roof "villages.....the shtetls are still there just
the jews are not!    kiev is the capital so has worldwide connections.
there is an internal flight to cz. daily dep 15.10 arr.in cz.16.40.
for those who want to go via bucharest, there is a daily train to suceava.
from there one has to be collected by car.    this i am told is the most
expensive way to go.,   but if anyone particularly wants this it can be
arranged.                    now, in czernowitz itself.   both the cheremosh
and the bukowina have rooms with aircon but only 5-6 rooms each so
equipped..    but, the bukowina has just done a major renovation and upgrade
of most of the rooms  and their restaurant i am told is also very good. from
personal experience the cheremosh food is adequate but not exactly a
culinary sensation, and their breakfast is designed for compulsive slimmers!
i have been in contact with the town hall  (rathaus to you!) and there is a
provisional reception for those who want to come laid on for the afternoon
of the 19th. the mayor cannot guarantee to be there however since there are
city elections in march and he might not survive!!!          next, the rabbi
is very willing to say kaddish  with and for us  at the memorial to our
people shot by the germans, and any who wifsh  to attend shul are very
welcome.    a daytrip to transnistria is also possible. guides and
cars/buses  can be sorted as and when required.  i agree that all the
available details should go to  die stimme ,the  result could be more of us
going!     and now it is up to all of you to sit down by your keyboards and
have your say.         cornel

Thank you Cornel for all the good information. I have a question: do you know
which airlines make the flight from Vienna to Lviv? And from Vienna to Kiev?

Also when you say "by next year", does that mean by May? Or in sufficient time
for us to cancel other flights if one becomes available (by what airline?)
directly to Czernowitz from outside Ukraine, which of course would be the best
of all possible worlds... ?

I really appreciate all the hard work being done by the committee. And, if I
have neglected to respond to any information/queries over this past week, it's
because our e-mail server connection was somehow disconnected, and I've lost
everything both incoming and outgoing. Even though it was out of my control I
apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused anyone....  But we're back
on-line now.

Til later. Jessica, San Diego, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
Sent: Nov 18, 2005 12:47 PM
To: czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [czernowitz2006] information

shabat shalom to all.  here is the latest info i have gathered through my
czernowitz agent.  it is currently fully accurate but there is a possibility
that by next year there will be flights to cz. from outside the ukraine.
currently we can fly to kiev or lwiw(lemberg). lviv or lwiw(take your pick!)
has flightconnections with frankfurt,vienna and warsaw. frankfurt-lviv
tuesd and frid dep 12.10    arr. 14.10.   lviv- frankfurt tues and frid dep
9.05,  arr.11.05.  vienna-lviv  on monday ,wednesday,friday and sunday dep.
14.15,  arr.15.45.     lviv-vienna same days, dep 16.20,  arr.17.35.
warsaw-lviv daily. dep. 12.25 ,arr.13.45,  return  14.10 with arr 16.00
from lviv it is about 5 hrs by car or bus, and it is a fascinating drive
through " fiddler on the roof "villages.....the shtetls are still there just
the jews are not!    kiev is the capital so has worldwide connections.
there is an internal flight to cz. daily dep 15.10 arr.in cz.16.40.
for those who want to go via bucharest, there is a daily train to suceava.
from there one has to be collected by car.    this i am told is the most
expensive way to go.,   but if anyone particularly wants this it can be
arranged.                    now, in czernowitz itself.   both the cheremosh
and the bukowina have rooms with aircon but only 5-6 rooms each so
equipped..    but, the bukowina has just done a major renovation and upgrade
of most of the rooms  and their restaurant i am told is also very good. from
personal experience the cheremosh food is adequate but not exactly a
culinary sensation, and their breakfast is designed for compulsive slimmers!
i have been in contact with the town hall  (rathaus to you!) and there is a
provisional reception for those who want to come laid on for the afternoon
of the 19th. the mayor cannot guarantee to be there however since there are
city elections in march and he might not survive!!!          next, the rabbi
is very willing to say kaddish  with and for us  at the memorial to our
people shot by the germans, and any who wifsh  to attend shul are very
welcome.    a daytrip to transnistria is also possible. guides and
cars/buses  can be sorted as and when required.  i agree that all the
available details should go to  die stimme ,the  result could be more of us
going!     and now it is up to all of you to sit down by your keyboards and
have your say.         cornel





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hi,   the answer to your question...rfrom vienna it is a joint flight of
aua(austrian airlines) and ukrainia air., to both cities.         re direct
flights,impossible to say,currently just a rumour even though it comes from
airline sources.            cornel
----- Original Message -----
From: <jfa2000@...>
To: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming@...>;
<czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


> Thank you Cornel for all the good information. I have a question: do you
> know which airlines make the flight from Vienna to Lviv? And from Vienna
> to Kiev?
>
> Also when you say "by next year", does that mean by May? Or in sufficient
> time for us to cancel other flights if one becomes available (by what
> airline?) directly to Czernowitz from outside Ukraine, which of course
> would be the best of all possible worlds... ?
>
> I really appreciate all the hard work being done by the committee. And, if
> I have neglected to respond to any information/queries over this past
> week, it's because our e-mail server connection was somehow disconnected,
> and I've lost everything both incoming and outgoing. Even though it was
> out of my control I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused
> anyone....  But we're back on-line now.
>
> Til later. Jessica, San Diego, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
> Sent: Nov 18, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [czernowitz2006] information
>
> shabat shalom to all.  here is the latest info i have gathered through my
> czernowitz agent.  it is currently fully accurate but there is a
> possibility
> that by next year there will be flights to cz. from outside the ukraine.
> currently we can fly to kiev or lwiw(lemberg). lviv or lwiw(take your
> pick!)
> has flightconnections with frankfurt,vienna and warsaw. frankfurt-lviv
> tuesd and frid dep 12.10    arr. 14.10.   lviv- frankfurt tues and frid
> dep
> 9.05,  arr.11.05.  vienna-lviv  on monday ,wednesday,friday and sunday
> dep.
> 14.15,  arr.15.45.     lviv-vienna same days, dep 16.20,  arr.17.35.
> warsaw-lviv daily. dep. 12.25 ,arr.13.45,  return  14.10 with arr 16.00
> from lviv it is about 5 hrs by car or bus, and it is a fascinating drive
> through " fiddler on the roof "villages.....the shtetls are still there
> just
> the jews are not!    kiev is the capital so has worldwide connections.
> there is an internal flight to cz. daily dep 15.10 arr.in cz.16.40.
> for those who want to go via bucharest, there is a daily train to suceava.
> from there one has to be collected by car.    this i am told is the most
> expensive way to go.,   but if anyone particularly wants this it can be
> arranged.                    now, in czernowitz itself.   both the
> cheremosh
> and the bukowina have rooms with aircon but only 5-6 rooms each so
> equipped..    but, the bukowina has just done a major renovation and
> upgrade
> of most of the rooms  and their restaurant i am told is also very good.
> from
> personal experience the cheremosh food is adequate but not exactly a
> culinary sensation, and their breakfast is designed for compulsive
> slimmers!
> i have been in contact with the town hall  (rathaus to you!) and there is
> a
> provisional reception for those who want to come laid on for the afternoon
> of the 19th. the mayor cannot guarantee to be there however since there
> are
> city elections in march and he might not survive!!!          next, the
> rabbi
> is very willing to say kaddish  with and for us  at the memorial to our
> people shot by the germans, and any who wifsh  to attend shul are very
> welcome.    a daytrip to transnistria is also possible. guides and
> cars/buses  can be sorted as and when required.  i agree that all the
> available details should go to  die stimme ,the  result could be more of
> us
> going!     and now it is up to all of you to sit down by your keyboards
> and
> have your say.         cornel
>
>
>
>
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 Hello to all,
>
> Recently, while at university, I met another Chernovitser. I
found out that
> he is a cousin of a very good friend of mine. In our
conversation, I
> mentioned to him that the cemetery is at risk of falling apart.
He told me
> that one of his best friends, Jewish, is still living in
Chernovtsi and will
> be interested to clean graves, take pictures of the completed
work and send
> them to people who will employ him to do the job. He is a nice
man and a
> very caring individual. I will send his name and the phone
number later this
> week. By the way, he speaks Yiddish.
>
> Marianna

Much appreciated. I know you'll let us know if rumor turns to fact.... -- Thanks
again. Jessie

-----Original Message-----
From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
Sent: Nov 19, 2005 1:32 AM
To: jfa2000@..., czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information

hi,   the answer to your question...rfrom vienna it is a joint flight of
aua(austrian airlines) and ukrainia air., to both cities.         re direct
flights,impossible to say,currently just a rumour even though it comes from
airline sources.            cornel
----- Original Message -----
From: <jfa2000@...>
To: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming@...>;
<czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


> Thank you Cornel for all the good information. I have a question: do you
> know which airlines make the flight from Vienna to Lviv? And from Vienna
> to Kiev?
>
> Also when you say "by next year", does that mean by May? Or in sufficient
> time for us to cancel other flights if one becomes available (by what
> airline?) directly to Czernowitz from outside Ukraine, which of course
> would be the best of all possible worlds... ?
>
> I really appreciate all the hard work being done by the committee. And, if
> I have neglected to respond to any information/queries over this past
> week, it's because our e-mail server connection was somehow disconnected,
> and I've lost everything both incoming and outgoing. Even though it was
> out of my control I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused
> anyone....  But we're back on-line now.
>
> Til later. Jessica, San Diego, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
> Sent: Nov 18, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [czernowitz2006] information
>
> shabat shalom to all.  here is the latest info i have gathered through my
> czernowitz agent.  it is currently fully accurate but there is a
> possibility
> that by next year there will be flights to cz. from outside the ukraine.
> currently we can fly to kiev or lwiw(lemberg). lviv or lwiw(take your
> pick!)
> has flightconnections with frankfurt,vienna and warsaw. frankfurt-lviv
> tuesd and frid dep 12.10    arr. 14.10.   lviv- frankfurt tues and frid
> dep
> 9.05,  arr.11.05.  vienna-lviv  on monday ,wednesday,friday and sunday
> dep.
> 14.15,  arr.15.45.     lviv-vienna same days, dep 16.20,  arr.17.35.
> warsaw-lviv daily. dep. 12.25 ,arr.13.45,  return  14.10 with arr 16.00
> from lviv it is about 5 hrs by car or bus, and it is a fascinating drive
> through " fiddler on the roof "villages.....the shtetls are still there
> just
> the jews are not!    kiev is the capital so has worldwide connections.
> there is an internal flight to cz. daily dep 15.10 arr.in cz.16.40.
> for those who want to go via bucharest, there is a daily train to suceava.
> from there one has to be collected by car.    this i am told is the most
> expensive way to go.,   but if anyone particularly wants this it can be
> arranged.                    now, in czernowitz itself.   both the
> cheremosh
> and the bukowina have rooms with aircon but only 5-6 rooms each so
> equipped..    but, the bukowina has just done a major renovation and
> upgrade
> of most of the rooms  and their restaurant i am told is also very good.
> from
> personal experience the cheremosh food is adequate but not exactly a
> culinary sensation, and their breakfast is designed for compulsive
> slimmers!
> i have been in contact with the town hall  (rathaus to you!) and there is
> a
> provisional reception for those who want to come laid on for the afternoon
> of the 19th. the mayor cannot guarantee to be there however since there
> are
> city elections in march and he might not survive!!!          next, the
> rabbi
> is very willing to say kaddish  with and for us  at the memorial to our
> people shot by the germans, and any who wifsh  to attend shul are very
> welcome.    a daytrip to transnistria is also possible. guides and
> cars/buses  can be sorted as and when required.  i agree that all the
> available details should go to  die stimme ,the  result could be more of
> us
> going!     and now it is up to all of you to sit down by your keyboards
> and
> have your say.         cornel
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear friends,

It is amazing how people can have such different views on the same place.

In his recent email, Cornel reported that a contact had given him a very
positive report on the Hotel Bukovyna.

I thought that in fairness I should bring to your attention two reports
which are rather to the contrary.

(1)  On 31 August 2005 Nina Kern, having returned from Czernowitz, wrote:

I stayed in the hotel Bukovina July 30 - Aug 2 this year - it was
extraordinarily hot and there is no air conditioning.  I would qualify
their accommodations as fair.  While relatively clean, The Hotel is worn
out and all amenities are likewise a bit on the tired side.  I did not
see any conference capability.  The day we checked out, the Front Desk
called our room to ask us for copies of our VISA receipts as somehow
they had failed to retain their hotel copies.  When they asked if they
could keep our copies, we declined.  Several long distance phone called
were missed as the front desk appeared unable to get us messages while
we were out.  ...

(2)  The following is advice I recently received from a friend who visits
Czernowitz frequently.

He told me "there is only one possibility for you, the Cheremosh.  The
Bukovina  is very bad, dreadful !!  They don't speak foreign languages, they
have no interest in Westerners staying there, the food is bad."

Regards,

David

Dear friends,

I am sure all this is true and I also have read your positive reports
about the Cheremosh, but do be advised that when we stayed at the
Cheremosh for a week in the summer of 2000 there was no hot water for
the entire week.  This is not to recommend the Bukovyna but to alert
everyone to the problems of raveling in Ukraine.

Marianne
On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:37 PM, David Glynn wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> It is amazing how people can have such different views on the same
> place.
>
> In his recent email, Cornel reported that a contact had given him a
> very
> positive report on the Hotel Bukovyna.
>
> I thought that in fairness I should bring to your attention two
> reports
> which are rather to the contrary.
>
> (1)  On 31 August 2005 Nina Kern, having returned from Czernowitz,
> wrote:
>
> I stayed in the hotel Bukovina July 30 - Aug 2 this year - it was
> extraordinarily hot and there is no air conditioning.  I would qualify
> their accommodations as fair.  While relatively clean, The Hotel is
> worn
> out and all amenities are likewise a bit on the tired side.  I did not
> see any conference capability.  The day we checked out, the Front Desk
> called our room to ask us for copies of our VISA receipts as somehow
> they had failed to retain their hotel copies.  When they asked if they
> could keep our copies, we declined.  Several long distance phone
> called
> were missed as the front desk appeared unable to get us messages while
> we were out.  ...
>
> (2)  The following is advice I recently received from a friend who
> visits
> Czernowitz frequently.
>
> He told me "there is only one possibility for you, the Cheremosh.  The
> Bukovina  is very bad, dreadful !!  They don't speak foreign
> languages, they
> have no interest in Westerners staying there, the food is bad."
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
>
>
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Hello to all,

Just as I promised, I spoke to my friend in Winnipeg regarding the cemetery
issues. He will contact his friend in Chernovtsi and talk to him about,
possibly, Doing work on the graves for people who are interested in taking
care of their families plots. As soon as I get more information, I will
e-mail the whole group.

P.S. Hotel Bukovina is not known for their service.

Marianna



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Dear Friends:

I would like to remind members of this Yahoo group that the main
Czernowitz/Sadagora discussion group <Czernowitz-L@...> would
welcome all your posts that are not directly related to the reunion.
For instance, could I suggest that posts regarding the cemetery and
its preservation, or posts regarding your family connections to
Czernowitz, be copied to the main group address?

If you are posting messages about your family connections to
Czernowitz, these would be of interest to the over 200 subscribers to
Czernowitz-L, many of whom will not be able to attend the reunion.

If you are new to czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com and wish to also
subscribe to the main discussion group (as described at
http://czernowitz.ehpes.com ), please just drop me a note by replying
to this message.  I'll have you subscribed to the main group right
away.

Wishing you all a very fulfilling and enjoyable reunion in 2006,

Bruce Reisch
co-list owner of Czernowitz-L

Hi, Dear Czernowitzers,
The proposed travel to Cz. via Lwów (Lviv/Lemberg) sounds to be the most
realistic option. I do not like the idea to travel via Kiev and continue with
those lousy small turbo-prop planes for a one and a half hour flight to Cz. Two
of my friends traveling from time to time to Western Ukraine shtetels told me
about the various options available in Lviv. I have not yet managed to contact
the travel agent in Israel who reportedly has excellent connections in Lviv,
both from the airport as well as from hotels in the city that have appropriate
arrangements for travel by taxi, mini-buses or buses (in the case of larger
groups). It is a matter of five hours travel and the roads are not bad at all.
I'll let you know as soon as I have more details.
Regards,  Abraham Kogan
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: cornel fleming
   To: jfa2000@... ; czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


   hi,   the answer to your question...rfrom vienna it is a joint flight of
   aua(austrian airlines) and ukrainia air., to both cities.         re direct
   flights,impossible to say,currently just a rumour even though it comes from
   airline sources.            cornel
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: <jfa2000@...>
   To: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming@...>;
   <czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:01 PM
   Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


   > Thank you Cornel for all the good information. I have a question: do you
   > know which airlines make the flight from Vienna to Lviv? And from Vienna
   > to Kiev?
   >
   > Also when you say "by next year", does that mean by May? Or in sufficient
   > time for us to cancel other flights if one becomes available (by what
   > airline?) directly to Czernowitz from outside Ukraine, which of course
   > would be the best of all possible worlds... ?
   >
   > I really appreciate all the hard work being done by the committee. And, if
   > I have neglected to respond to any information/queries over this past
   > week, it's because our e-mail server connection was somehow disconnected,
   > and I've lost everything both incoming and outgoing. Even though it was
   > out of my control I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused
   > anyone....  But we're back on-line now.
   >
   > Til later. Jessica, San Diego, CA
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
   > Sent: Nov 18, 2005 12:47 PM
   > To: czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: [czernowitz2006] information
   >
   > shabat shalom to all.  here is the latest info i have gathered through my
   > czernowitz agent.  it is currently fully accurate but there is a
   > possibility
   > that by next year there will be flights to cz. from outside the ukraine.
   > currently we can fly to kiev or lwiw(lemberg). lviv or lwiw(take your
   > pick!)
   > has flightconnections with frankfurt,vienna and warsaw. frankfurt-lviv
   > tuesd and frid dep 12.10    arr. 14.10.   lviv- frankfurt tues and frid
   > dep
   > 9.05,  arr.11.05.  vienna-lviv  on monday ,wednesday,friday and sunday
   > dep.
   > 14.15,  arr.15.45.     lviv-vienna same days, dep 16.20,  arr.17.35.
   > warsaw-lviv daily. dep. 12.25 ,arr.13.45,  return  14.10 with arr 16.00
   > from lviv it is about 5 hrs by car or bus, and it is a fascinating drive
   > through " fiddler on the roof " villages.....the shtetls are still there
   > just
   > the jews are not!    kiev is the capital so has worldwide connections.
   > there is an internal flight to cz. daily dep 15.10 arr.in cz.16.40.
   > for those who want to go via bucharest, there is a daily train to suceava.
   > from there one has to be collected by car.    this i am told is the most
   > expensive way to go.,   but if anyone particularly wants this it can be
   > arranged.                    now, in czernowitz itself.   both the
   > cheremosh
   > and the bukowina have rooms with aircon but only 5-6 rooms each so
   > equipped..    but, the bukowina has just done a major renovation and
   > upgrade
   > of most of the rooms  and their restaurant i am told is also very good.
   > from
   > personal experience the cheremosh food is adequate but not exactly a
   > culinary sensation, and their breakfast is designed for compulsive
   > slimmers!
   > i have been in contact with the town hall  (rathaus to you!) and there is
   > a
   > provisional reception for those who want to come laid on for the afternoon
   > of the 19th. the mayor cannot guarantee to be there however since there
   > are
   > city elections in march and he might not survive!!!          next, the
   > rabbi
   > is very willing to say kaddish  with and for us  at the memorial to our
   > people shot by the germans, and any who wifsh  to attend shul are very
   > welcome.    a daytrip to transnistria is also possible. guides and
   > cars/buses  can be sorted as and when required.  i agree that all the
   > available details should go to  die stimme ,the  result could be more of
   > us
   > going!     and now it is up to all of you to sit down by your keyboards
   > and
   > have your say.         cornel
   >
   >
   >
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From: Abraham Kogan
To: Miriam Taylor
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Your Forthcoming Visit in Israel


Hi, Mimi,

Regarding the proposed meetings with prospective participants of the 2006
reunion and other Czernowitzers in Israel:
This morning I had a good telephone conversation with our "Landsman" Mr. Yaakov
(Yula) Weiner, who is quite active in Czernowitzer Landsmanschaft issues and was
recently appointed to the job of Chief editor of "Die Stimme".  He will be glad
to meet you, arrange meetings with local Czernowitzers and for discussions on
the Jewish Cemetery problem.
On the cemetery issue:  it turns out that there are several activities that went
on and are still going on, in parallel. Several people, from Israel and from
Austria (non-Jewish) approached the municipality and the mayor and apparently
nothing has been finalized so far.  There are several cost estimates and several
options or priorities.  The municipality clearly indicated that they will
strongly oppose to any use of pesticides for removing weeds and other vegetation
within the area of the cemetery. They also  might insist that all the cleaning
works or subsequent maintenance , if the funds will be provided by donors, shall
be done only by their staff (or contractors).  This topic will be discussed in
the proposed meeting at the office of the Bukovina Olim Association.

Please let me know which dates are suitable for you for each of the two meetings
and I'll try to coordinate with Yula Weiner. If you wish, you can also
communicate with him by e-mail to:
elibuko@....

Best regards,  Abraham Kogan

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   Dear Abraham,

   We will be in Israel from Dec. 14 till Dec. 28.
   We plan to stay in Herzlia at the beginning and at the end of our stay.
   Dec.14 - Dec. 17 and Dec. 26 and 27.

   If possible I would like to meet you during the earlier part.
   It has also occurred to me that all the Israeli prospective participants
   in the reunion could meet in Tel-Aviv. I know that I will be free on the
   26th. My husband is giving a lecture on that day at Tel-Aviv university.

   An alternative to the reunion participants meeting on the 26th, would be
   that all Czernowitzers interested in the restoration and maintenance of
   the Jewish cemetery, meet to discuss what we can do in this regard.
   I believe you know the heads of the Czernowitzers Association well,
   possibly you could talk to them about arranging such a meeting?

   All the best,
                 Mimi



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Dear Czernowitzers,

In regard to the recent discussion about hotels in Chernivtsi:
There are only two large hotels in Chernivtsi; the Cheremosh on the
outskirts of town and the Bukovyna, about one and a half km from the
Ringplatz. There are a number of small hotels closer to the center of
the city. The committee to organize the reunion was charged to make
arrangements for obtaining a discount at either or both of the large hotels.
I have managed to obtain a discount of 15% at the Cheremosh for any of our
members who will stay there for 7 nights. Despite writing and phoning the
Bukovyna, I have had no success in getting a reply from them. Felix
Zuckermann, who lives in Chernivtsi and whom I have consulted about the
hotels, recently wrote me that the Bukovyna has recently had some or all the
rooms renovated. Many of the subscribers to this group, have told you of
their experiences with one or the other of the two hotels. Nina Kern has
stayed at the Bukovyna this last summer, I stayed at the Cheremosh in June
of 2004.

If any of you can obtain a direct letter from the Bukovyna or from any of
the small hotels, please send the information to all of us and each one of
us will make our decisions. In the meantime, for lack of any other
information, discussions, lectures and talks will be held at the Cheremosh.
I will not book rooms for anyone wishing to stay at the Cheremosh or at any
other hotel. This will be left for everyone to do individually, on their
own, through a travel agent or by any other means.

Best regards to all,

Mimi

Mr. Kogan
According to your e-mail address you live in Israel.
Here is the schedule to Lvov from Tel Aviv and it operates right now but
depending on your day of travel.

OS860 TLV-VIE 07:00-10:00
OS381 VIE-LVO 13:15-15:35

OS382 LVO-VIE 16:10-1645
OS859 VIE-TLV 20:10-00:35
Price $630.00 aprox.

To find this out all you have to do is use your computer and do not
listen to rumors.

FYI OS381 and OS382 is operated with  "De Havilland DHC-8 Dash 8" this
airplane is one of those lousy small turbo-prop planes.

Regards
Arthur

kogana@... wrote:

> Hi, Dear Czernowitzers,
> The proposed travel to Cz. via Lwów (Lviv/Lemberg) sounds to be the
> most realistic option. I do not like the idea to travel via Kiev and
> continue with those lousy small turbo-prop planes for a one and a half
> hour flight to Cz. Two of my friends traveling from time to time to
> Western Ukraine shtetels told me about the various options available
> in Lviv. I have not yet managed to contact the travel agent in Israel
> who reportedly has excellent connections in Lviv, both from the
> airport as well as from hotels in the city that have appropriate
> arrangements for travel by taxi, mini-buses or buses (in the case of
> larger groups). It is a matter of five hours travel and the roads are
> not bad at all.
> I'll let you know as soon as I have more details.
> Regards,  Abraham Kogan
>



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Hi Mimi,
after a long stay in San Diego and a really "inactive" period, I'd very much
enjoy meeting you and the others in Tel-Aviv.
I think that visitors from Israel to the Bucovina, should all do it together
somehow, although I don't have any practical suggestions for the moment!
In any case, I do look forward to meeting you.
Fondly, Lucca

By the way, will you be in Haifa as well?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abraham Kogan" <kogana@...>
To: <czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:49 PM
Subject: Fw: [czernowitz2006] Your Forthcoming Visit in Israel


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abraham Kogan
> To: Miriam Taylor
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Your Forthcoming Visit in Israel
>
>
> Hi, Mimi,
>
> Regarding the proposed meetings with prospective participants of the 2006
reunion and other Czernowitzers in Israel:
> This morning I had a good telephone conversation with our "Landsman" Mr.
Yaakov (Yula) Weiner, who is quite active in Czernowitzer Landsmanschaft issues
and was recently appointed to the job of Chief editor of "Die Stimme".  He will
be glad to meet you, arrange meetings with local Czernowitzers and for
discussions on the Jewish Cemetery problem.
> On the cemetery issue:  it turns out that there are several activities that
went on and are still going on, in parallel. Several people, from Israel and
from Austria (non-Jewish) approached the municipality and the mayor and
apparently nothing has been finalized so far.  There are several cost estimates
and several options or priorities.  The municipality clearly indicated that they
will strongly oppose to any use of pesticides for removing weeds and other
vegetation within the area of the cemetery. They also  might insist that all the
cleaning works or subsequent maintenance , if the funds will be provided by
donors, shall be done only by their staff (or contractors).  This topic will be
discussed in the proposed meeting at the office of the Bukovina Olim
Association.
>
> Please let me know which dates are suitable for you for each of the two
meetings and I'll try to coordinate with Yula Weiner. If you wish, you can also
communicate with him by e-mail to:
> elibuko@....
>
> Best regards,  Abraham Kogan
>
>
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>
>  -----------------Original Message--------------
>  Dear Abraham,
>
>  We will be in Israel from Dec. 14 till Dec. 28.
>  We plan to stay in Herzlia at the beginning and at the end of our stay.
>  Dec.14 - Dec. 17 and Dec. 26 and 27.
>
>  If possible I would like to meet you during the earlier part.
>  It has also occurred to me that all the Israeli prospective participants
>  in the reunion could meet in Tel-Aviv. I know that I will be free on the
>  26th. My husband is giving a lecture on that day at Tel-Aviv university.
>
>  An alternative to the reunion participants meeting on the 26th, would be
>  that all Czernowitzers interested in the restoration and maintenance of
>  the Jewish cemetery, meet to discuss what we can do in this regard.
>  I believe you know the heads of the Czernowitzers Association well,
>  possibly you could talk to them about arranging such a meeting?
>
>  All the best,
>                Mimi
>
>
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Since the discussion of how best to get to Cz is ongoing, let me
suggest an alternative, especially for those coming from the US and UK.
We flew into Budapest and stayed the night there. We took a very early
train from the eastern station, perhaps 0620, and traveled to
Nyrejghaza (sp?). This was a very nice ride which gave us time for a
leisurely breakfast and a look at the Hungarian countryside.
   WE arrived in Nyrejhaza at about 1000, and went the rest of the way by
car. WE had a guide and a driver, so it wasn't cheap. However, if a few
people were to get to gether on the cost, I recommend it, especially if
you have never been in that part of Europe before.

  Bruce Wexler
   Jackson, NJ USA

Dear Czernowitzers,

It has come to my attention that in the latest issue of "Die Stimme" there
is an announcement about a congress to take place in Chernivtsi either at
the same time or possibly at an overlapping time as our planned reunion.

I received a letter from Gabriele Weismann, part of which I am copying here:

>
> "INTERNATIONAL BUKOWINA CONGRESS PLANNED
> In April and May of 2006 there will be 60 years of the deportation of
> Bukowina Jews to Transnistria, Siberia and to the Soviet camps. The
> Bukowina .....
> who live in Australia and in the USA, want  to commemorate this event by
> an "International Bukowina Congress" next year in Czernowitz.
> The Israeli groups who intend to attend this unique congress, could get
> in touch with the World Association of Bukowina Jews, Arnonstr. 12, Tel
> Aviv,
> tel.: 03-5226619, who together with the Travel agents "Startours",
> possessing lots of experience with trips to todays Ukraine, and who have
> experienced guides, will organize this congress.
> In the next issue of  "Die Stimme" there will be more information on the
> subject."
> So, dear Miriam, this it looks as if we have competition!!! Even if this
> will be a separate event, we should wait and see when the dates are, in
> case we all meet in
> Czernowitz and there is no room in the hotels. Or better, we should all
> hurry and book and later one can still cancel if necessary. Please
> distribute.

I assume this to be the meeting which was being organized by Luba German.
If any of you have detailed information about this meeting, I would like to
ask you, to share it with the rest of us.

To those of you, who joined this group relatively recently, and may not know
about the Czernowitz trip planned by Luba German, I would like to add, that
we, in this group felt that the focus of trip planned by Luba, was very
different from what we were interested in and that we wanted a meeting with
a different focus and emphasis.

Best regards,

Mimi

Hi, Mimi,
Yula Weiner called me this afternoon and I had a rather long telephone
conversation with him.  He told me about this "competing event", which we agreed
has nothing to do with our 2006Czernowitz Reunion. Mrs. Weissman is right - the
focus of trip planned by Luba, seems to be very
different from what we were interested in and that we wanted a Reunion (not just
a guided excursion) with a different focus and emphasis.  It is going to be a
kind of a guided excursion, organized with a business oriented travel agency 
and there might be some 3-4 days overlapping with our stay in Cz..
We'll discuss it when you'll be here.
Regards,  Abraham K.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Miriam Taylor
   To: czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:20 PM
   Subject: [czernowitz2006] A congress in Czernowitz


   Dear Czernowitzers,

   It has come to my attention that in the latest issue of "Die Stimme" there
   is an announcement about a congress to take place in Chernivtsi either at
   the same time or possibly at an overlapping time as our planned reunion.

   I received a letter from Gabriele Weismann, part of which I am copying here:

   >
   > "INTERNATIONAL BUKOWINA CONGRESS PLANNED
   > In April and May of 2006 there will be 60 years of the deportation of
   > Bukowina Jews to Transnistria, Siberia and to the Soviet camps. The
   > Bukowina .....
   > who live in Australia and in the USA, want  to commemorate this event by
   > an "International Bukowina Congress" next year in Czernowitz.
   > The Israeli groups who intend to attend this unique congress, could get
   > in touch with the World Association of Bukowina Jews, Arnonstr. 12, Tel
   > Aviv,
   > tel.: 03-5226619, who together with the Travel agents "Startours",
   > possessing lots of experience with trips to todays Ukraine, and who have
   > experienced guides, will organize this congress.
   > In the next issue of  "Die Stimme" there will be more information on the
   > subject."
   > So, dear Miriam, this it looks as if we have competition!!! Even if this
   > will be a separate event, we should wait and see when the dates are, in
   > case we all meet in
   > Czernowitz and there is no room in the hotels. Or better, we should all
   > hurry and book and later one can still cancel if necessary. Please
   > distribute.

   I assume this to be the meeting which was being organized by Luba German.
   If any of you have detailed information about this meeting, I would like to
   ask you, to share it with the rest of us.

   To those of you, who joined this group relatively recently, and may not know
   about the Czernowitz trip planned by Luba German, I would like to add, that
   we, in this group felt that the focus of trip planned by Luba, was very
   different from what we were interested in and that we wanted a meeting with
   a different focus and emphasis.

   Best regards,

   Mimi




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Hi, Dear Czernowitzers,

I managed, at last, to talk with the travel agent who reportedly has a great
deal of experience with travel to Ukraine, in general, and to the western part
(Galitzia) in particular.  The information I got from him is as follows :

In Lwów he has a representative of a large Ukrainian travel firm (headquartered
in Kiew) who will take care of any member of the 2006Reunion once he gets the
name, number of passengers and the arrival and return flight data.  On your
arrival he will be at the airport (with a sign bearing your name) and would put
you in either a taxi or a minibus, as needed, depending on the number of
passengers arriving together.  The taxi or minibus will take you directly from
the airport to Hotel Cheremosh in Cz.  There is also an option to take you to a
hotel in Lwów, for a rest or meal, or for overnight stay, depending on the
landing hour of your incoming flight to Lwów.  The agent here can book a
reservation at a suitable hotel of your choice in Lwów and his representative
will take care of the travel from there to Cz. The cost estimate is
approximately:
US$ 120 by taxi (up to 3-4 passengers), or US$ 200-250 by minibus from the
airport to Cz.
For those who wish to go to the hotel in Lwów one should add US$ 15 for a taxi
from the airport.  For return travel - Cz. to Lwów (airport or hotel) the same
amounts should be added.  All the amounts mentioned above are to be considered
as not final and for planning purposes only.

If anybody has some questions, please let me know or  send an e-mail directly to
the travel agent in Israel to:  Mr. Tuvia Schwarz  at: 
manager@....

Hope the information is useful.  Regards,  Abraham K.







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   From: Abraham Kogan
   To: cornel fleming ; czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com ;
jfa2000@...
   Cc: Miriam Taylor
   Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:14 PM
   Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


   Hi, Dear Czernowitzers,
   The proposed travel to Cz. via Lwów (Lviv/Lemberg) sounds to be the most
realistic option. I do not like the idea to travel via Kiev and continue with
those lousy small turbo-prop planes for a one and a half hour flight to Cz. Two
of my friends traveling from time to time to Western Ukraine shtetels told me
about the various options available in Lviv. I have not yet managed to contact
the travel agent in Israel who reportedly has excellent connections in Lviv,
both from the airport as well as from hotels in the city that have appropriate
arrangements for travel by taxi, mini-buses or buses (in the case of larger
groups). It is a matter of five hours travel and the roads are not bad at all.
   I'll let you know as soon as I have more details.
   Regards,  Abraham Kogan
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: cornel fleming
     To: jfa2000@... ; czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:32 PM
     Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] information


     hi,   the answer to your question...rfrom vienna it is a joint flight of
     aua(austrian airlines) and ukrainia air., to both cities.         re direct
     flights,impossible to say,currently just a rumour even though it comes from
     airline sources.            cornel
     -



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Since I was in Cz six months ago, Mimi has asked me to write to you a little
about my experiences. I flew to Budapest from the US on British Airways. I
also had a stop to make in Northern England on the way back. I booked my flights
ten months in advance and got what I think was an excellent price.
About a year before my trip I started asking people about a researcher and
guide. I got a few recommendations and finally decided around August who I would
use. We were in touch by e-mail and phone a number of times. He lives in
Lviv. His prices were not cheap. The way it turns out, he is very smart, and he
was an excellent guide. Before I came he went to Cz and found the birth record
of one greet Aunt, which also gave me one of the addresses of my maternal great
grandfather.
I had laid out my itinerary and priorities to him long in advance, but it
seems his plan was not exactly the same as mine. After some discussion, I
usually
prevailed.
To make a long story short, many more family records were available, which we
found when we were there. So the question becomes whether the researcher
didn't take much time to look, although I paid for his entire trip from Lviv to
Cz
(prior to my arrival), or did he purposely not come up with them to insure
that I still made my trip.
Anyway, we flew to Budapest and went to western Hungary (Nyreghaza) by train
the next morning. The ride took a little less than four hours, during which
time we had breakdfast and looked at the Hungarian countryside. After we crossed
the border, we stopped to unite with my son and nephew who had traveled with
the guide down from Lviv.
We then continued by car to Cz, the trip taking about ten hours. this
included a stop to change a flat tire, and another to buy a new one, plus meals
and
gas. Most of the roads are in good shape, some of the scenery was very nice.
We arrived in Cz at about ten or eleven o'clock. We stayed at the hotel
Bukovina, which was fine. Before I decided on it, I was on a number of websites,
etc. I heard stories about the Chermosh that included the fact that they had
people sitting in the halls watching your comings and goings, and that hot water
was only available in the morning. We experienced none of this. My fiance and
I occupied a suite on the top floor. It had a sign outside of the room about
the celebrities who had stayed there, so I guess we got the Presidential suite.
I know there has been a lot of conversation about hotels, and I can only
speak for one. The Bukovina was fine as a hotel, but what I liked was that it is
such a short walk from the Ring Platz, has a bunch of restaurants around it,
and is right in the center of the city.
For me the highlight was my experience in the cemetery. I stood at the graves
of six of my relatives. None of my relatives who are in the states had ever
done that. One great-great-grand mother, four of my great grandparents, and one
g-g-uncle. The man who helped us was named Jury. I'm sure if you've done any
research, you know of him. I have heard some negative things said about him. I
do not understand these at all. I will be grateful to him for the rest of my
life.
When we went to the Archives I found birth records of great aunts, great
uncles, my maternal grandmother, and one uncle. Then we also went to the house
were one of my great aunts was born. just on a whim I asked our guide to knock
on
the door. What a lucky move that was. We were welcomed by total strangers as
if they were our relatives. They wined and dined us. We sang and danced, all
because my great grandfather lived in their house in 1885. I then called my
mother back in the states from her grandfather's house. It was unforgettable to
say the least.
I'm sorry I will not be with you this year, but I am certainly considering a
return for the six-hundredth anniversary in 2008. My Mom who now lives in
Florida, was born and left Cz in the five-hundredth anniversary year of 1908.
I feel very lucky to have roots in this magical city, and to those of you who
actually lived here, I salute you and wish you Bon voyage! I will be happy to
answer any questions I can.

Bruce Wexler
Jackson, NJ USA

To all,

Bruce, thank you so much for your lovely summary.  It reads
very similarly to my experience in Cz this past August.  I
trained in to Krakow from Berlin in order to visit
Auschwitz where my maternal grandmother was killed.  Then,
trained on to L'viv.  Then to Grymailiv, a small town where
we visited the still-standing bombed out synagogue (when
you're standing there midst the chickens and the cows, you
feel you're on a Nat'l Geographic excursion), were invited
into the home of the wife of the last Jew of the town, for
coffee and liqueur and cookies; then on to Kolomayja where
my Dad was born in 1898, and then to Cz.

We also stayed at the Bukovina -it was very hot when we
were there, no air conditioning, and the rooms were
extremely uncomfortable.  Also, service there was less than
terrific.  However, as you say, close to town - and of
course the park across the street made the stay there
worthwhile.

What I most wanted to acknowledge, however, was your
mention of Yuri, the man who helped us at the cemetary.  As
you, while others have frankly said nothing good of him, he
found two stones - of two great aunts - and the experience,
in the mid-day hot sun, deep amongst extremely overgrown
weeds that stood higher than corn growing in the wilds of
Kansas! was probably among the most moving in my life.
  There was Malka Lea Kern, lying in peace, visited for the
first time, I suspect in about 90 years - I wept and it was
extraordinary.  And Yuri was present, held my hand and
guided me through the oabundant overgrowth, and as we spoke
I somehow figured, if he is a "goniff" he's a keeper
nonetheless!

I think these experiences are powerfully evocative.  I
found a sense of connection with history, my family, in the
world, to places that I have been hearing about my whole
life.  I feel terribly fortunate to have made the trip and
look forward to doing so again.

If anyone should like to read a truly magnificently
written, funny, and pioignant book, pick up Jonathan Sofran
Foer's "Everyting Is Illuminated" - I read while traveling
- it is extremely worthwhile.

Well, that's it for now.
I would enjoy reading about other people's experiences.
  That is very much what I had hoped to experience on this
list serv.

Thanks and best wishes to all,
Nina





On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:42:05 EST
  AJS1PRES@... wrote:
> Since I was in Cz six months ago, Mimi has asked me to
> write to you a little
> about my experiences. I flew to Budapest from the US on
> British Airways. I
> also had a stop to make in Northern England on the way
> back. I booked my flights
> ten months in advance and got what I think was an
> excellent price.
> About a year before my trip I started asking people about
> a researcher and
> guide. I got a few recommendations and finally decided
> around August who I would
> use. We were in touch by e-mail and phone a number of
> times. He lives in
> Lviv. His prices were not cheap. The way it turns out, he
> is very smart, and he
> was an excellent guide. Before I came he went to Cz and
> found the birth record
> of one greet Aunt, which also gave me one of the
> addresses of my maternal great
> grandfather.
> I had laid out my itinerary and priorities to him long in
> advance, but it
> seems his plan was not exactly the same as mine. After
> some discussion, I usually
> prevailed.
> To make a long story short, many more family records were
> available, which we
> found when we were there. So the question becomes whether
> the researcher
> didn't take much time to look, although I paid for his
> entire trip from Lviv to Cz
> (prior to my arrival), or did he purposely not come up
> with them to insure
> that I still made my trip.
> Anyway, we flew to Budapest and went to western Hungary
> (Nyreghaza) by train
> the next morning. The ride took a little less than four
> hours, during which
> time we had breakdfast and looked at the Hungarian
> countryside. After we crossed
> the border, we stopped to unite with my son and nephew
> who had traveled with
> the guide down from Lviv.
> We then continued by car to Cz, the trip taking about ten
> hours. this
> included a stop to change a flat tire, and another to buy
> a new one, plus meals and
> gas. Most of the roads are in good shape, some of the
> scenery was very nice.
> We arrived in Cz at about ten or eleven o'clock. We
> stayed at the hotel
> Bukovina, which was fine. Before I decided on it, I was
> on a number of websites,
> etc. I heard stories about the Chermosh that included the
> fact that they had
> people sitting in the halls watching your comings and
> goings, and that hot water
> was only available in the morning. We experienced none of
> this. My fiance and
> I occupied a suite on the top floor. It had a sign
> outside of the room about
> the celebrities who had stayed there, so I guess we got
> the Presidential suite.
> I know there has been a lot of conversation about hotels,
> and I can only
> speak for one. The Bukovina was fine as a hotel, but what
> I liked was that it is
> such a short walk from the Ring Platz, has a bunch of
> restaurants around it,
> and is right in the center of the city.
> For me the highlight was my experience in the cemetery. I
> stood at the graves
> of six of my relatives. None of my relatives who are in
> the states had ever
> done that. One great-great-grand mother, four of my great
> grandparents, and one
> g-g-uncle. The man who helped us was named Jury. I'm sure
> if you've done any
> research, you know of him. I have heard some negative
> things said about him. I
> do not understand these at all. I will be grateful to him
> for the rest of my
> life.
> When we went to the Archives I found birth records of
> great aunts, great
> uncles, my maternal grandmother, and one uncle. Then we
> also went to the house
> were one of my great aunts was born. just on a whim I
> asked our guide to knock on
> the door. What a lucky move that was. We were welcomed by
> total strangers as
> if they were our relatives. They wined and dined us. We
> sang and danced, all
> because my great grandfather lived in their house in
> 1885. I then called my
> mother back in the states from her grandfather's house.
> It was unforgettable to
> say the least.
> I'm sorry I will not be with you this year, but I am
> certainly considering a
> return for the six-hundredth anniversary in 2008. My Mom
> who now lives in
> Florida, was born and left Cz in the five-hundredth
> anniversary year of 1908.
> I feel very lucky to have roots in this magical city, and
> to those of you who
> actually lived here, I salute you and wish you Bon
> voyage! I will be happy to
> answer any questions I can.
>
> Bruce Wexler
> Jackson, NJ USA
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Hello to all,

I hole that my e-mail finds all of you well and getting ready for the trip.

This information was forwarded to me from the Romanian link in Israel.

Marianna



Stimata doamna Marianna Kiva, ma bucur sa pot lua legatura cu dumneavoastra.




Permiteti-mi sa va prezint referirile care pot interesa direct pe membrii
grupului dumneavoastra, in cadrul portalului Romania-Israel - Links -
Diaspora:


<http://www.romania-israel.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=137
> Evrei in Bucovina

<http://www.romania-israel.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=133
> Uniunea Mondiala a Evreilor Cernauteni


Indirect ar putea fi interesante, tot aici si:


<http://www.romania-israel.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=109
> Muzeul Yad VaSem Ierusalim


<http://www.romania-israel.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=154
> Genealogie evreiasca in Polonia

In plus, prezenta dumneavoastra atat pe forum, cat si cu mici articole
specifice, ar putea fi benefica altor evrei care provin din aceiasi zona.



Superb citatul din William Arthur Ward.





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Hi everyone,

I've been meaning to introduce myself for a couple weeks but have
only recently found the time. My name is Avi and I really hope I'll
be able to visit Chernivtsi either with all you guys or by myself
next year.

I'd like to share a story I think you'll all like. I only recently
started attending synagogue again after finishing university and
about a month ago I started taking Kabbalah classes at a Chabad next
door to me. I knew that my family originally came from Chernivtsi
and when I told my rabbi this, he told me how there was a large
Jewish community in Chernivtsi before the war. A couple weeks ago in
class we discussed Noach and the flood. That weekend I finally
decided to do a little research online on the Jewish community in
Chernivtsi and whom should I find, the chief rabbi, *Noach*
Kofmansky, who is my father's long lost brother.

It's been almost 20 years since they last spoke to each other and my
father had almost given up on finding him. Anyways, I'm just happy
they've been reunited and I look forward to seeing my uncle and his
family in the near future.

Thanks for letting me share.

Avi

Dear Czernowitzers,

Recently a number of new members have subscribed to the czernowitz2006 yahoo
group. Even though this message is intended mainly to the new members, it is
also a reminder to everyone in this group who has not already done so to
please answer the two most recent questionnaires.


Language and day trips questionnaire

1) List the languages you understand and speak.
2) List all Czernowitz sights, parts of town, of particular interest.
2) List the towns and villages in the Ukrainian Bukovyna
    you would like to visit. (it is not feasible to arrange day trips to
    Romania because of the border crossing involved).
3) Are you interested in a trip to Transnistria?

Please send your answers to:
Simon Kreindler at:  <simonkreindler@...>
Or Miriam (Mimi) Reifer Taylor at: <mirtaylo@...>


Program related questions:

In planning the program of the reunion, it was decided that the program
would include talks and discussions. We did not decide whether we would
invite outside speakers, nor did we calculate a budget for such an
eventuality. We will have to pay for the use of conference rooms, in any
case, but this is a relatively small expense.
In order to decide on a feasible program with the widest interest,
I would like everyone to please answer each of the following questions:

1. Would you want us to invite outside speakers and be willing to pay
for the expense involved?
Please consider that we will all have to pay for their travel and hotel
expenses, probably also a honorarium. Depending on how many speakers we
invite, how far each one of them need travel and the number of
participants in the reunion, I estimate the cost of inviting outside
speakers to be about $100 per participant.

2. Initially, topics for discussion and talks were suggested by some of us
and then agreed on by vote. They are:

A. The culture of Czernowitz in different periods.
B. Czernowitz Jewish identity.
C. Our shared interest and heritage.

David Glynn, one of the committee members has since suggested:
__________________________________________________________________
These topics are not really distinct and in fact have considerable
overlap. They do not seem to define the essential focus for what
the lectures / discussions should be trying to illuminate.

The Jewish culture of prewar Czernowitz was in some ways very special.
The questions are: What was this culture? What was special about it?
Did it arise from the legacy of Austro-Hungarian rule before the first
World War? How did it develop under the increasingly oppressive Romanian
rule between the wars?

Other important subsidiary questions are: Was the Jewish culture of
Czernowitz exceptional in some way, compared with other cities of Eastern
Europe, and how did this difference manifest itself? How was the Jewish
culture affected by interaction with the other inhabitants (Ukrainians,
Germans, etc), by the authorities, by corruption, by the different types
of schools? How did the flowering of poets and writers arise from this
culture? How did the different classes of Jews in Czernowitz - orthodox,
professionals, business and tradesmen, the rich, the Poor, relate to each
other, and contribute to the overall culture?

__________________________________________________________________________

Considering both the three individual topics as well as David's broader,
more encompassing suggestion, call it (D) would you be interested in
lecturing / talking or leading a discussion on one of them?

3. Would you be willing to talk/lecture on another topic related to
Czernowitz? On what topic would you be willing to talk?

4. If you are a holocaust survivor would you be willing to be on a
panel of people discussing their experiences during the war and
accepting questions from the audience?

Some of us, who expect to participate in the Czernowitz reunion,
have academic experience in the study of Czernowitz. Many of us have
either personal memories and experiences of Czernowitz or stories and
memories related to us by our parents. Most of us have read, thought and
had discussions about Czernowitz. I would therefore like to encourage
every one to send in their ideas and suggestions, also to volunteer to
talk about a Czernowitz related topic.

Please answer each question separately and individually and send your
answer to:
  Miriam (Mimi) Taylor at: <mirtaylo@...>
or to David Glynn at:  <glynn@...>

PLEASE EVERYONE WHO HAS NOT ALREADY DONE SO,
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS NO LATER THAN DEC. 4.

hi to all from a very chilly england!    have received confirmation that the
bukowina hotel will match cherem. discounts.they already have some bookings
from our group.for those who have not yet decided on their travel agent i
suggest they  email  ukraina-travel@ web.de       this is anna wiesmayer
who has served some of us well before.   now another question.....do we have
a fairly accurate number of us definitely coming?  if for no other reason
than fairness  i feel we need to give a relatively close no to the hotels. i
am happy to do the roster so please email me with names and numbers .
next, in reply to mimis questions.....i speak english, german and ivrit.
as far as speakers go i am ambivalent, i think it might be possible to get
free input from some of the university people and the mayors office have
already  agreed to do things.     regards to all            cornel
avel@web

Dear Czernowitzers,

I hope you do not mind an email from me to encourage those of you who have
not yet done so to respond to Mimi's questionnaires (email 29 November).

We need to know if there are any particular places in Cz that you would like
to visit, to help us organise an itinerary that will be of maximum interest
to all.

We need to know if there are any other particular towns or villages that you
would like to visit, to give you the maximum possiblity of being able to do
so.

We need to know how well you speak and understand English and German,
because this will be important for organising talks and discussions - and
has relevance for other aspects of the reunion also.  And if you speak
Yiddish or Ukrainian well, that would also be useful to know.

And we need to know your thoughts on the talks and discussions - whether you
would be willing to contribute to expenses for "outside" expert speakers,
and whether you would be interested in giving a talk yourself - so that we
can plan a talks/discussion programme that will be of maximum interest to
all.

Or if you are not interested in talks, that would also be useful for us to
know.

So please, if you have not done so yet, take a few minutes to reply to
Mimi's questions!  We will all benefit.

Best regards,

David

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the czernowitz2006
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Please remove me from the list. I will not be joining you and wish the emails to
stop.

Joe Lissak

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Miriam (Mimi) Taylor <mirtaylo@...>


Dear Czernowitzers,

Our group of people interested in the "Czernowitz Reunion 2006", decided at
the outset, that each one of us would make our own travel arrangements to
Chernivtsi. As a group, we would only collect and make available information
and advice about various travel possibilities, which could then be pursued
by any of us as we wish. We also decided that we would prefer hotel
arrangements to be made as group arrangements, in order to take advantage of
any discounts we may get as a group.

Some of us may prefer a professional travel agent to make travel
arrangements for us, similarly, some may want to stay at the small hotels in
Chernivtsi. There may be some who will wish to combine traveling to the
reunion with a trip to Romania, Transnistria or the Ukraine and many of us
want to take day trips to villages and small towns in the vicinity of
Czernowitz

We have received inquiries and recommendations from and for travel agents.
Simon Kreindler and I have collected information from members of the
Cz.-List about guides, drivers and translators in Chernivtsi. A file
containing this information,  as well as information about travel agents
specializing in travel to the Ukraine and Romania, will be made available to
all subscribers to this group.

We cannot allow travel agents or others to use this yahoo group as a forum
for advertising or promoting their services.

I recently received an inquiry from a travel agent. This is in essence what
I wrote to him and think that we should tell every and anyone with a
commercial interest in the reunion:

***************************************************************************

The Czernowitz Reunion 2006 is planned as a meeting for former Czernowitzers
and their descendants. Many of us have visited Chernivtsi in recent years
and some of us have relatives in the city. We are not planning any organized
tours of the Ukraine or Romania in connection to this meeting.

Some of our members may want help in making travel arrangements. It is
possible that there will be people who will come to our reunion and will
later want to go on other organized trips, in which case, you might be able
to help them to travel to other parts of the Ukraine or Romania.

We cannot allow you, or any other travel agent to use our email list for
advertising or promoting your services, but we will gladly list your name
with those of other travel agents who have expertise in travel to the
Ukraine and Romania. Members of our group will contact you, if they wish to
do so. Please send me your Email address, fax and phone number, so I can
send it to the participants of the "Czernowitz Reunion 2006".

************************************************************************

I would like the file of travel agents, tour guides, translators and drivers
to be set up as soon as possible. Please send your recommendations to Simon
Kreindler or Mimi Taylor.

Best regards,

               Mimi

------ Forwarded Message
From: "Igor" <cherem@...>
Organization: Tourist Complex "Cheremosh"
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:20:55 +0200
To: <mirtaylo@...>
Subject: Reunion 2006


Dear Miriam,
thank you for your letter.
For your information we are sending the hotel rates including 15 % discount
for double and single roooms and 10 % discount for de-lux rooms:
Sgl room ( 5-th floor, renovated ): $ 35 + $ 4 breakfast = $ 39 ( it is
possible to accommodate a couple, the room has a wide bed, then it costs $
60 including breakfast ).
Sgl room ( the 11-th floor ): $ 28 + $ 4 = $ 32
Dbl room ( the 4-th floor ): $ 50 + $ 8 = $ 58
Dinner is $ 9, supper $ 8.
Transportation rates from Suceava to Chernowitz and back:
minibus ( 1 - 7 persons ) $ 280
minibus ( 12-18 persons ) $ 578
bus ( 40-45 persons ) $ 1238

Our conference room consists of 200 seats, costs $ 40 per hour. You can use
restaurant rooms for the meetings too, European room costs $ 24 per hour (
300 seats ). Bucovinian room ( 50 seats ) costs $ 12 per hour.

Transport firm in Suceava which gave the above rates: " Bucovina Trip Travel
Tour " Director: Traciu Sebastian Giji
Mob. phone: (40)722 601 031
E-mail: travel@...
wwwgigiturism.ro

While addressing them pls indicate" Chernowitz Reunion 2006 ".

Best regards,
awaiting your confirmation

Galina Krivobokova, general manager

____________________________
13-a, Komarova Str.,Chernivtsi,
58017, Ukraine
tel.: (38-03722) 47-555, 48-573, 47-521
fax: (38-0372) 585-588, 584-446
cherem@...

------ End of Forwarded Message

Miriam (Mimi) Taylor <mirtaylo@...>

> hi to all from a very chilly england!    have received confirmation that the
> bukowina hotel will match cherem. discounts.they already have some bookings
> from our group.for those who have not yet decided on their travel agent i
> suggest they  email  ukraina-travel@ web.de       this is anna wiesmayer
> who has served some of us well before.   now another question.....do we have
> a fairly accurate number of us definitely coming?  if for no other reason
> than fairness  i feel we need to give a relatively close no to the hotels. i
> am happy to do the roster so please email me with names and numbers .
> next, in reply to mimis questions.....i speak english, german and ivrit.
> as far as speakers go i am ambivalent, i think it might be possible to get
> free input from some of the university people and the mayors office have
> already  agreed to do things.     regards to all            cornel
> avel@web
>
Dear Cornel,

Thanks for making arrangements with the hotel Bukovyna.
So that all of us can make an informed decisions about the hotel we wish to
stay at, please forward the yahoo group the information you received from
the hotel Bukovyna. It is also very important that we know whether they have
conference rooms and what the cost of renting such a room is.

I will include the name of Anna Wiesmayer in the file on travel agents and
tour guides.

We do not have a definite number of participants in the reunion. Many of the
subscribers to the yahoo group are merely observers, others cannot be sure
six months before the event, that they will want to participate. We also
expect that more people will join us, as the time of the reunion approaches.

I have asked the hotel Cheremosh to keep 50 - 60 rooms available for us.
Closer to the time of the reunion and no later than May 1st 2006, we will
all who want, need to make our reservations against this block of rooms,
would you please do the same at the hotel Bukovyna?

It seems you have made definite arrangements with the mayor's office and
possibly with some others. You are indeed a member of the committee elected
to make arrangements for the reunion, but you have no right to make
unilateral arrangements without consulting the other 7 members of the
committee or the whole yahoo group. In case you forgot, the members of the
committee are:

Arthur Rindner <vonczernowitz@...>
Cornel Fleming <cornel.fleming@...>
David Glynn <glynn@...>
Florence Heymann <floheymann@...>
Jerry Lapides <jlapides@...>
Lucca Ginsburg <lucca99@...>
Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo@...>
Simon Kreindler <simonkreindler@...>

Please send precise and complete information, about any arrangements
you have made in Chernivtsi for all of us, to the committee or the
czernowitz2006 yahoo group. We should not make any binding arrangements
for the group as a whole, unless decided on by either the whole committee
or the whole Yahoo group.

I hope you will not object to my sending a copy of this letter to the
czernowitz2006 yahoo group. I consider this matter of prime importance.
Thanks and aufs Wiedersehn,

                              Mimi