Good heavens Bill! I had no idea you would get yourself so excercized over this. If I may, I would like to go through each of your arguments. Then, if you...
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DaGoi@...
Apr 30, 2002 7:00 am
In a message dated 4/27/2 9:58:33 AM, Ken wrote: << This works well in John's sequence (and may also be the inspiration for Luke's Lazarus "full of sores" in...
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bjtraff
Apr 30, 2002 7:05 am
Hello David, and thank you for your response. ... While virtually anyone presented to us in (especially ancient) history could be no more than a creation of...
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Emmanuel Fritsch
archeboc
Apr 30, 2002 12:29 pm
... Very good. Just replace "I do not rule out that" with "it is highly convincing that" and I would totally agree with you. a+ manu...
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David Friedman
david_friedm...
Apr 30, 2002 12:30 pm
Dear Brian, ... In considering this matter, location of origin is an important factor. Where are you placing these documents? If nearby, your five year...
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Michael Ensley
mensley
Apr 30, 2002 1:29 pm
Bill and Brian. Perhaps the GT is composed of both early and later sayings collected with a Gnostic bent by the later editor? I do not believe all the sayings...
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sdavies0
Apr 30, 2002 1:49 pm
What do you mean by the word "gnostic"? I.e., how will we tell when a saying has a Gnostic bent? Steve DAvies ... collected with a Gnostic bent by the later...
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mwgrondin
Apr 30, 2002 5:18 pm
Brian- I don't wish to preempt Bill's response to the bulk of your note, but there are two issues of fact that I would like to bring to your attention, the one...
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Michael Ensley
mensley
Apr 30, 2002 6:01 pm
I was using the word Gnostic in its conventional sense in reference to the GT being seen as a Gnostic gospel. IMHO the GT did not start out this way. The GT...
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Steve Black
sblack@...
Apr 30, 2002 6:06 pm
... Bill, It seems to me that your critique about a double standard being applied to canonical material is not only correct, but perhaps unavoidable. A double...
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mwgrondin
Apr 30, 2002 7:19 pm
... Maybe not, but Koester and Crossan have done pretty well at it. One thing that biases us is - as Bill's translation of some Pauline passages shows - a...
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William Arnal
warnalca
Apr 30, 2002 8:13 pm
... Feel free! After starting into a lengthy response, I decided not to complete it. I stand by my original statements, and I think people will see why if they...
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Michael Ensley
mensley
Apr 30, 2002 9:26 pm
I agree with Bill here. It is obvious that most people treat the literature differently. I know a person who can rip the apocrypha apart and defend the...
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LeeEdgarTyler@...
leeedgartyler
Apr 30, 2002 10:37 pm
In a message dated 4/30/2002 4:31:04 PM Central Daylight Time, ... Much as I hate to pick even more nits than (unfortunately) I've been called to lately, we...
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bjtraff
Apr 30, 2002 10:43 pm
... As Bill has apparently begged off defending his assertions and beliefs, I am more than happy to continue this discussion here. ... Since the earliest MSS...
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bjtraff
Apr 30, 2002 11:35 pm
... Actually, given the speed with which communication could travel in the Empire, and the smallness of the Christian community in the 1st Century, I do think...
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bjtraff
Apr 30, 2002 11:36 pm
... Actually, given the speed with which communication could travel in the Empire, and the smallness of the Christian community in the 1st Century, I do think...
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sdavies0
May 1, 2002 12:24 am
... high ... But not higher Christology than Colossians or Hebrews surely, wherein Jesus creates the world. ... There are no trinitarian verses. The...
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Peter Kirby
kirbtron
May 1, 2002 12:54 am
THE ORIGINS OF THE APPLICATION AND THE PROBLEM Since the subject of the dating of the gospels has come up in recent discussion, I thought it may be interesting...
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Peter Kirby
kirbtron
May 1, 2002 12:59 am
Hello, I do not expect all of my assumptions to be shared by all of the participants of the XTalk discussion group. But I would like to see a dialogue develop...
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sdavies0
May 1, 2002 1:13 am
No, actually you were using the word Gnostic in an operational sense, so that by the criterion of "Gnostic" we can determine set X of sayings and set Y, the...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
May 1, 2002 2:07 am
... From: "Peter Kirby" <kirby@...> To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: [XTalk] Dating John ... Brach...
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Frank McCoy
silvanus55109
May 1, 2002 2:44 am
... From: "bjtraff" <bj_traff@...> To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: [XTalk] Re: GThom and double...
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bjtraff
May 1, 2002 3:41 am
... I do not recall Jesus being identified as "being all" things in either Colossians, nor Hebrews. Nor do I recall either book claiming that a sin against...
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bjtraff
May 1, 2002 3:53 am
Hello Peter I find your idea intriguing. If I may, I would like to know if you have tested your formula with documents which already have relatively known and...
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bjtraff
May 1, 2002 4:19 am
Hello Frank And thank you for your detailed reply. At the same time, I am less certain than you are that the Wisdom of Solomon is actually 1st Century, or at...
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mwgrondin
May 1, 2002 5:38 am
... Actually, the Greek POxy fragments predate the Coptic ms. Also, since Coptic used a good many Greek loan-words, it's not a given that a Greek word should...
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bjtraff
May 1, 2002 5:46 am
Hello again Frank I believe that I was excessively hasty in my reply to you, and for that I apologize sincerely. In addition to your interesting (but ...
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Peter Kirby
kirbtron
May 1, 2002 6:12 am
... From: "bjtraff" <bj_traff@...> To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [XTalk] Re: The Dater Program ... ...
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bjtraff
May 1, 2002 6:39 am
... I would have to disagree with you here, Mike, as Matthew still insists on connecting "speaking against the Holy Spirit" found in 32b with "blaspheme...
