Dave, Thanks for the Munslow reference. I will add it to my endless list of BOOKS TO BE READ SOON! Meanwhile can you name any major working historians who are...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 1, 2001 11:39 am
[Loren] ... [Bob] ... [Loren] On the contrary, how else could he have won fame in the eyes of people and left a movement to continue where he left off? [Loren]...
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brian j boland
berean@...
Jun 1, 2001 12:38 pm
Jeffrey writes: I'd be grateful if those ... Reply: Will not a more down to earth explanation suffice? Jesus had warned Peter in Mark 14.30,verse 38 then is...
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Brian McCarthy
brmcc@...
Jun 2, 2001 2:26 am
Steve, Dave, Deconstruction has been around now for quite some time, as has historical work on the Shoa, so I will make my request more specific: Could someone...
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Steve Black
sblack@...
Jun 2, 2001 3:56 am
... I am rather new to this whole "methodology", and so I cannot point you to any works. ... I, personally am still sorting through the various claims of ...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 2, 2001 5:59 am
... If he was just debating like everyone else, why was Jesus the one who won fame? But we return to this subject below. ... I guess I didn't explain myself---...
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Hudson Barton
hhbv@...
Jun 2, 2001 12:36 pm
... My ears have been itching this week. Now I know why. It is true, Bob, that Loren's 10 pericopes are not all suited to his thesis, that his exegesis...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 2, 2001 12:47 pm
[Bob] Furthermore, regarding your "pissed off" Jesus, you raise an interesting point: at a distance of 2000 years, how can we reconstruct Jesus' tone of voice,...
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BitsyCat1@...
Jun 2, 2001 1:46 pm
In a message dated 6/2/01 1:17:09 AM, r_schacht@... writes: << These don't sound much like honor/shame stuff to me. Mat 5:39//Luke 6:29 turn other cheek...
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Gordon Raynal
scudi@...
Jun 2, 2001 2:26 pm
Hi Loren... just a few comments as I'm on the run this a.m. ... I don't think this is HJ, but rather the voice of those later disappointed by rejection of what...
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Brian McCarthy
brmcc@...
Jun 2, 2001 3:54 pm
Dear John Moon, I am following this discussion with interest, and appreciated your contribution. I also liked your signing 'John Moon', but Bitsycat,...
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David C. Hindley
dhindley@...
Jun 2, 2001 5:33 pm
... historical work on the Shoa, so I will make my request more specific: Could someone name a major work on the Shoa that is written by a deconstructionist? ...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 2, 2001 6:27 pm
[Loren] ... [Gordon] ... [Loren] Is this simply because you don't want to see this as being traceable back to HJ? Why would you suppose those towns were...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 2, 2001 6:34 pm
[Hudson] ... [Loren] Thanks for the backhanded compliment!!! Seriously, I hope you recognize the agonistic model of debate as significantly superior to at...
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Gordon Raynal
scudi@...
Jun 2, 2001 7:17 pm
Hi, Just a few more replies L ... Not at all. I'm not going into an elaborate methodological post here, but the short answer is that I see the production of...
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Hudson Barton
hhbv@...
Jun 3, 2001 3:27 am
... Hello Loren: There is a whole paragraph in my post that lays out my premise, and which I now repeat: Many years ago (1970), John R. W. Stott wrote a...
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Robert M. Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 3, 2001 4:47 am
... Well, I don't know if this is a given at all, especially if we're talking about first century Christians. Stott's definition of dogmatics doesn't work to...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 3, 2001 12:34 pm
[Hudson] ... [Loren] Content (what is being said) is usually more important than manner (how it is being said). But specialists of honor-shame cultures tell us...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 3, 2001 12:40 pm
Gordon, ... Yes, in addition to many other things. For now, thanks for the dialogue. We agree to disagree, as always. Loren Rosson III Nashua NH ...
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Gordon Raynal
scudi@...
Jun 3, 2001 4:33 pm
... For now, thanks ... You're welcome. There is a kind of delight in serious debate that is not antagonistic, eh:)! Gordon Raynal Inman, SC...
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Hudson Barton
hhbv@...
Jun 3, 2001 6:15 pm
... Yes, and Paul also claims that his understanding of Christ crucified was REVEALED to him on the road to Damascus. This is the very essence of dogma. Was...
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Hudson Barton
hhbv@...
Jun 3, 2001 6:15 pm
... This is interesting. Can you elaborate on what these specialists say with regard to form vs. content? ... I absolutely agree with you here. To argue with...
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Robert M. Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 3, 2001 6:45 pm
... The main problem I have with this discussion is this: Are you offering us a hypothesis to test? -- e.g., that the style of Jesus' debates with opponents as...
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Robert M. Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 3, 2001 8:44 pm
... Why this ad hominem? We might equally ask, are you pushing the honor-shame model because you *want* to see this traceable back to the HJ? It is not our...
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Robert M. Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 3, 2001 8:45 pm
... Well, I know it is always supposed that dogma is supposed to be *based on* revelation. But at least in modern times, when I see "dogma," I see many words...
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Brian McCarthy
brmcc@...
Jun 4, 2001 3:18 am
Bob, Groans to E.P. Sanders if you have him right. It is anachronistic in the case of Israelite/early Jewish 'religion' to try to separate what we call...
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david cook
senor_aardvaark@...
Jun 4, 2001 7:52 am
Hi, you've probably had answers to this with more detail already, but if not, then here are a few hints: Mishnah is translated by Herbert Danby and published...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 4, 2001 12:01 pm
[Bob] ... [Loren] A fair enough remark. However, [Bob] ... [Loren] It means everything to me, and I acknowledge with everyone else that the gospel writers put...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii@...
Jun 4, 2001 12:16 pm
[Loren] ... [Hudson] ... [Loren] I'm not sure that we do agree or that we're saying the same thing. My point is that Jesus could have theoretically declared...
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Robert M. Schacht
r_schacht@...
Jun 4, 2001 12:45 pm
... Of course the political and the theological were interconnected, as they have always been for the people of Israel since the time of Moses. What I object...
