... I just happened to read through Ehrman´s book pretty hastily a few weeks ago. Although I still see myself as a proponent of an apocalyptic Jesus I did not...
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Antonio Jerez
antonio.jerez@...
Apr 25, 2000 8:03 pm
... As I see it modernday Christians try to tackle the problem in basically three different ways: 1. People like Dale Allison acknowledge that Jesus was wrong...
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Richard Mallett
100114.573@...
Apr 25, 2000 9:16 pm
To : Robert Brenchley ... illusion. Would it also mean that his teachings were, and thus have no enduring significance? << It seems that Paul, and the early...
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Mike Myers
mmyers@...
Apr 25, 2000 9:23 pm
3. People like Tom Wright refuse to acknowledge that either Jesus, Paul or the gospel writers got anything wrong. It is just some of us who have been to dumb...
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Brooks, George X
george.x.brooks@...
Apr 25, 2000 9:35 pm
Antonio writes: "As I see it modernday Christians try to tackle the problem in basically three different ways:" ... 2. People like Dominic Crossan do not think...
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Mark Cameron
cameron_mark@...
Apr 25, 2000 9:54 pm
... From: Antonio Jerez <antonio.jerez@...> ... three ... great beauty ... I find it ... how beautiful ... The only ... writers. ... texts the ......
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William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 25, 2000 10:33 pm
... If the question is, "is it conceptually possible to re-interpret these expectations in metaphoric terms such that they are rescued from their apparent...
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William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 25, 2000 10:36 pm
By the way folks, and with apologies for the belated nature of this announcement, congratulations are in order for our very own DOCTOR Liz Fried, who...
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Mark Cameron
cameron_mark@...
Apr 25, 2000 10:50 pm
... From: William E. Arnal <wea1@...> To: <crosstalk2@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [XTalk] Apocalyptic Jesus ... ...
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Mark Cameron
cameron_mark@...
Apr 25, 2000 11:19 pm
(For some odd reason, I couldn't get my messages through last week, but am having no trouble this week, so I am replying to an earlier post.) ... From: Mahlon...
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William Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 26, 2000 12:24 am
... Well, if that's what you were talking about, I missed it. I thought you were saying that the earliest apocalyptic expectation were NOT objectively ...
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Mike Myers
mmyers@...
Apr 26, 2000 1:52 am
Well, with Antonio, I'd have to say that I have a hard time distinguishing between Wright's theology and his history. The latter looks suspiciously like the...
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William Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 26, 2000 2:05 am
... By maintaining that the apocalyptic expectation was not understood literally. As I see it, the theological conviction is that the NT texts can't be wrong...
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Mike Myers
mmyers@...
Apr 26, 2000 2:44 am
Bill Arnal wrote: "By maintaining that the apocalyptic expectation was not understood literally. As I see it, the theological conviction is that the NT texts...
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Basil Lourie
byzros@...
Apr 26, 2000 8:24 am
... From: Mark Cameron <cameron_mark@...> To: crosstalk2@egroups.com <crosstalk2@egroups.com> Date: 26 àïðåëÿ 2000 ã. 3:19 Subject: Re: [XTalk]...
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Rick Hubbard
rhubbard@...
Apr 26, 2000 11:47 am
To this list of books I would like to recommend a forthcoming title called *Remedial Christianity* by Paul Laughlin. It will be published by Polebridge Press...
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William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 26, 2000 2:45 pm
... I've already answered this. His views on eschatology seem to me (I can't prove this -- but there seems to be a logical connection) to be motivated by a...
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Mike Myers
mmyers@...
Apr 26, 2000 7:43 pm
I asked: Where in your view does Wright's theology vitiate his historical objectivity? Give me a couple examples. Or just one even. I can wait if you don't...
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Sukie Curtis
sbcurtis@...
Apr 26, 2000 8:15 pm
... If I may invite myself into this conversation, I can offer the following observations from having read Wright's _Jesus and the Victory of God_, but without...
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Mike Myers
mmyers@...
Apr 26, 2000 9:22 pm
"... were neatly fitted into Wright's big-picture hypothesis, I found myself asking, "Is there anything in the gospels this guy DOESN'T see as historically...
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RSBrenchley@...
Apr 26, 2000 10:51 pm
... second coming to occur during their lifetimes. As they died, without this having happened, and the persecution of Christians continued, what kept the ...
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Robert M. Schacht
bobschacht@...
Apr 27, 2000 5:06 am
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:27 -0800 Mike Myers ... Bill, As Mike implies, I do not think you've answered this at all. Like Antonio, all you have done is to...
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Robert M. Schacht
bobschacht@...
Apr 27, 2000 5:06 am
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:15:01 -0400 "Sukie Curtis" <sbcurtis@...> ... following ... struck, ... "confessional ... without ... Sukie, Crossan, somewhere...
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William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Apr 27, 2000 12:51 pm
... Bob: Do you seriously doubt that Crossan's theology affects his work? Yes, ONE of the purposes of these confessional statements is to clarify sites of...
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Mahlon H. Smith
mahlonh.smith@...
Apr 27, 2000 1:27 pm
... This type of cross-chronological calculation works only if the dating data is abstracted from the narrative frameworks of gospels in which they are found....
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Sukie Curtis
sbcurtis@...
Apr 27, 2000 1:41 pm
Bob, I have little disagreement with your assessment of my "observations." I tried to be clear that I was offereing observations and personal responses, not...
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Tom Simms
tsimms@...
Apr 27, 2000 8:36 pm
... [... Snip ...] ... [... Snip ...] ... Mahlon - My Mary Smallwood's edition of Williamson's _Jewish War_ says (pp. 18-19), "Thanks to Josephus, supplemented...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000@...
Apr 27, 2000 9:20 pm
With apologies for cross posting: Please note that while I will be keeping my old ameritech.net address for a few weeks yet, as of today my new address is...
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Richard Mallett
100114.573@...
Apr 27, 2000 10:47 pm
A Harmony of the Gospels by AT Robertson has the following chronology :- Friday afternoon - arrival at Bethany Saturday - not recorded Sunday - triumphal entry...
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Mahlon H. Smith
mahlonh.smith@...
Apr 28, 2000 4:11 am
... Greetings Tom, I agree with your assessment of Mark. I don't for a moment take Mark or the Markan passion narrative as history but rather as a...
