... From: Ronald Price Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:16 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT ... Jack, Well it's not...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Nov 29, 2011 6:18 pm
In response to Jack Kilmonšs post of 28 Nov: Jack, JK: - - > ..... The top two most common second temple names were Shymeon and Ya'aqub so it is not...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 2, 2011 3:07 pm
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:18 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT In response to Jack...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 2, 2011 7:22 pm
JK: --> ..... All three Ya'qubs are contemporaries, and relatives, of Jesus. I do not include the Ya'qub that was, perhaps, his grandfather. The author of...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 2, 2011 9:49 pm
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:22 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... All three...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 2, 2011 10:25 pm
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:22 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... All three...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 3, 2011 11:24 am
I had asked about the evidence for Jesus having two cousins called James. JK: --> Let's start with Ya'qub Bar Zebediy or "James the Greater" Mark 16:1 And when...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 3, 2011 6:36 pm
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:24 AM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT I had asked about the...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 5, 2011 2:41 pm
JK: --> ..... If you date 4G to 105 CE you are claiming p52 an autograph or 1st generation copy. I place P52's paleographic mean at 117 CE. I claim, after many...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 5, 2011 5:21 pm
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:39 AM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... If you date 4G...
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Dennis Goffin
dennis2405
Dec 7, 2011 10:07 pm
Ron, You say "Jesus was recognized as the Jewish Messiah." What in your view were the reasons why, and to what in the Hebrew Bible and/or the...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 8, 2011 7:59 pm
... Dennis, It's a good question, but I don't yet have a clear view of what first-century Jews would have thought of the role of the Messiah, nor of the ...
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David Cavanagh
dacavanagh
Dec 9, 2011 2:33 pm
... And, according to Wilson, Jesus presumably became a Christian Messiah because he didn't do any of the above? David Cavanagh Major (The Salvation Army) Rome...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 9, 2011 4:37 pm
... Ron, It strikes me that the very concept of your treasured book is misplaced. I would not have even opened that book. The question in the title seems to me...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 9, 2011 4:49 pm
... David, Wilson (correctly, I believe) describes Jesus as a "Messiah claimant". The things listed above didn't happen, so it appears that Jesus was mistaken....
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Dennis Goffin
dennis2405
Dec 9, 2011 5:10 pm
Jack, When you say that Jesus was an Enochian, are you relating that to chapters 37 to 71 and if so why, given the evidence from Qumran ? What do you...
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David Cavanagh
dacavanagh
Dec 9, 2011 5:10 pm
... Ron, Agreed...but Wilson's title points to a further question. Whether he answers it or not is not clear from your reply (still less how he might answer...
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Dennis Goffin
dennis2405
Dec 9, 2011 5:10 pm
What then, Bob, did first generation followers of Jesus make of his significance and why?Dennis ... Dennis Goffin Chorleywood UK To: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizzfried
Dec 9, 2011 5:24 pm
What is the evidence that Jesus' first followers, by that I assume his family, labeled him "Messiah?" Do we have anything that can be attributed to any of...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Dec 9, 2011 5:44 pm
To: XTalk In Response To: Liz Fried On: Jesus's Family From: Bruce LIZ: What is the evidence that Jesus' first followers, by that I assume his family, labeled...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizzfried
Dec 9, 2011 6:01 pm
Dear Bruce, I have always assumed that the James mentioned in Paul's letters who headed the Jerusalem church was Jesus' physical brother (cf. J. Ant. 20:200). ...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 9, 2011 6:37 pm
... I think they were confused and divided in understanding his significance. There were followers who thought he was God incarnate, and others who thought he...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 9, 2011 6:50 pm
... Bob, The title: "How Jesus became Christian" can be read in different ways. I did say the author is a professor, so he's clearly not as ignorant as your ...
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Ronald Price
ron18price
Dec 9, 2011 7:23 pm
... David, I guess it's because he was a charismatic teacher, the focus of his teaching was the kingdom of God, and establishing that kingdom was deemed to be...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Dec 9, 2011 7:24 pm
Hi, Liz You say, " I have always assumed that the James mentioned in Paul's letters who headed the Jerusalem church was Jesus' physical brother (cf. J. Ant. ...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Dec 9, 2011 7:41 pm
Liz: Lots of questions here. But let me suggest two main patterns of exploration: 1. First is your distinction between family and other followers. From the...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Dec 9, 2011 8:41 pm
Bob and all, And it is always important to remember that in terms of actual numbers "the consensus" was and continued to be a minority position for a long,...
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Liz Fried
lizzfried
Dec 10, 2011 1:43 am
Fascinating stuff! Liz Sent from my iPhone ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Dec 10, 2011 3:07 am
Liz, Well, maybe. All I can claim is that it represents an effort to consider the problems together, not in single isolation, from a historical and not a ...
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Dennis Goffin
dennis2405
Dec 10, 2011 2:39 pm
The most important element in this process, IMO, is the fact that for millennia a Mother Goddess was a very important figure in popular religion in the ancient...
