This is my take on the key people and events in the first period of the Jesus movement before any of the NT documents were written. It is not practicable here...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:20 AM To: CrossTalk Subject: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT This is my take on the key...
... Jack, Well it's not based on GTh, for I take this to have originated in the second century. Firstly the introduction of James the brother of Jesus in Acts...
Dear Ron, RE your seeing the James dropping out, and then a new James appearing being odd, I know that Robert Eisenman in his _James the Brother of Jesus_...
... Rich, Thanks for your comment. Yes I have looked at Eisenman's book. I may well have been influenced by a few of his ideas. By the way, I have just noticed...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:16 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT ... Jack, Well it's not...
In response to Jack Kilmonšs post of 28 Nov: Jack, JK: - - > ..... The top two most common second temple names were Shymeon and Ya'aqub so it is not...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:18 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT In response to Jack...
JK: --> ..... All three Ya'qubs are contemporaries, and relatives, of Jesus. I do not include the Ya'qub that was, perhaps, his grandfather. The author of...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:22 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... All three...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:22 PM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... All three...
I had asked about the evidence for Jesus having two cousins called James. JK: --> Let's start with Ya'qub Bar Zebediy or "James the Greater" Mark 16:1 And when...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:24 AM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT I had asked about the...
JK: --> ..... If you date 4G to 105 CE you are claiming p52 an autograph or 1st generation copy. I place P52's paleographic mean at 117 CE. I claim, after many...
... From: Ronald Price Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:39 AM To: CrossTalk Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT JK: --> ..... If you date 4G...
... Dennis, It's a good question, but I don't yet have a clear view of what first-century Jews would have thought of the role of the Messiah, nor of the ...
... And, according to Wilson, Jesus presumably became a Christian Messiah because he didn't do any of the above? David Cavanagh Major (The Salvation Army) Rome...
... Ron, It strikes me that the very concept of your treasured book is misplaced. I would not have even opened that book. The question in the title seems to me...
... David, Wilson (correctly, I believe) describes Jesus as a "Messiah claimant". The things listed above didn't happen, so it appears that Jesus was mistaken....
Jack, When you say that Jesus was an Enochian, are you relating that to chapters 37 to 71 and if so why, given the evidence from Qumran ? What do you...
... Ron, Agreed...but Wilson's title points to a further question. Whether he answers it or not is not clear from your reply (still less how he might answer...
What then, Bob, did first generation followers of Jesus make of his significance and why?Dennis ... Dennis Goffin Chorleywood UK To: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com...
What is the evidence that Jesus' first followers, by that I assume his family, labeled him "Messiah?" Do we have anything that can be attributed to any of...
To: XTalk In Response To: Liz Fried On: Jesus's Family From: Bruce LIZ: What is the evidence that Jesus' first followers, by that I assume his family, labeled...
Dear Bruce, I have always assumed that the James mentioned in Paul's letters who headed the Jerusalem church was Jesus' physical brother (cf. J. Ant. 20:200). ...
... I think they were confused and divided in understanding his significance. There were followers who thought he was God incarnate, and others who thought he...
... Bob, The title: "How Jesus became Christian" can be read in different ways. I did say the author is a professor, so he's clearly not as ignorant as your ...
... David, I guess it's because he was a charismatic teacher, the focus of his teaching was the kingdom of God, and establishing that kingdom was deemed to be...
Hi, Liz You say, " I have always assumed that the James mentioned in Paul's letters who headed the Jerusalem church was Jesus' physical brother (cf. J. Ant. ...
