To all, Jeffrey Gibson's question about Paul and his lack of attribution to Jesus of "miracles" has led to this bit of discussion about that specific issue....
Without wishing to appear overly disputatious, I am forced to take issue with the proposition that the man Yeshua is better categorized as a sage, rather than...
I want to note Bob's point that Paul does not present himself as an historian. I think the question of why Paul would or would not choose to include...
Jeffrey, Paul does refer to Jesus coming back from the dead in his physical body, which to my understanding is the greatest miricle of all. -Greg Gregory Leiby...
Gordon wrote, "Now, could he have also been a healer? Of course. I have nothing against that idea, but I simply see no evidence for that view" Largely because...
... Leaving aside the question of whether a resurrection (an eschatological event) would have been placed by first century Jews in the same phenomenological...
... In the early years of this list, there was an extensive discussion of this subject with Stevan Davies, author of Jesus the Healer. I found this discussion...
... One of the things Stevan Davies examines in his book, Jesus the Healer, is this "evidence." Davies adopts the indirect method, which gets around the direct...
Hi Dennis, I appreciate you clear position based on that set of words as central. I don't believe Jesus said those words. Per my note this morning, I don't...
Hi John, ... What do you take as this evidence? ... Actually, not. It does not take long at all for legendary communications to arise. What we have in terms...
The following article originally appeared on Belief.net http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/07/a-crash-course-in-jesus-histor.html and was then...
Hi Bob, ... I trust my note this morning clarifies the important broad understanding that healing played and how that data points to Jesus as involved in being...
I take Bob's point from his reply. Indeed the point I was trying to make appears to be the very point Stevan was making. People remember Jesus as a healer, so...
Hi John, Thanks for your note. It nicely spells out our honest differences and this is the sort of thing I hoped my long note might inspire. Here, just a few...
Hallo again Gordon, Since sending my last note I have checked that the words I used are quoted by Matthew and Luke and are spoken by John the Baptist when...
Hi Gordon, Which are the words you don't think Jesus said? Thanks for your congratulations, but I left University College Leicester over 50-odd years ago. ...
Hi Dennis, ... Ehrman, and I guess still the majority, like to put out this line: "JTB was an apocalyptic prophet, Paul was an apocalyptic theologian, so Jesus...
Dennis and Gordon: Forgive me for the length of this and also, asthe "follow the Aramaic" guy, for use of "Yeshua" instead of "Jesus." There is a ton of...
... Hi again... well that calls for even more congratulations! I think the "apocalyptic speech" given placed on Jesus lips comes from the evangelists (and...
Jack, I want to thank you for this long and helpful note. While we obviously disagree about how to best understand the historical fellow named Jesus son of...
Hi Daniel, Thanks for the note. ... Interesting way of putting this. You're worried about "will appear to suggest we are dealing in genre...." Haggadah...
At 08:37 AM 8/2/2008, Daniel Grolin wrote: Daniel, Let me take this opportunity to thank you, and a number of others, for their substantive contributions to...
Gordon, I have changed the title of this thread because it long since ceased to have anything to do with Paul. You asked where I would say the "mythmaking" or...
Quite simply, Gordon, how would you explain Matthew 16.27/8 ? For my part I endorse everything that Jack has written. Dennis Goffin Chorleywood, UK ... From:...
... While you find midrash too broad and an unhelpful way to categorize the story writers imaginative process, I will simply have to disagree.Ken: Gordon, so...
Hi John, Thank you for this note and our exchange. After a long, mostly silent time on the list I thought Jeffrey's question stirred up an interesting set of...
Hi Dennis, ... Verse 27 has it's base in Mark 8:38, verse 28 in Mark 9:1. So, I think this is part of the language Mark created and was then redacted by both...
Hi Ken, ... You are correct, of course that midrash is a technical term that is related to what you speak of, but it is also a term that I have heard used many...
In a message dated 02/08/2008 11:24:42 GMT Daylight Time, crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com writes: <<And I want to end this note by saying that I really think all...
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