List folk may be interested in a new book by Burridge titled Imitating Jesus: An Inclusive Approach to New Testament Ethics ...
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drjewest
Sep 6, 2007 12:17 pm
Lister's may be interested in Luedemann's newest review of Ratzinger's Jesus book- here in pdf http://web.infoave.net/~jwest/popereview.pdf -- Jim West, ThD ...
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Richard Fellows
rfellows@...
Sep 6, 2007 11:50 pm
Listers, It is often said that people in the NT are generally listed in descending order of prominence. Thus, for example, Peter is always the first in lists...
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Jim West
drjewest
Sep 7, 2007 6:20 pm
Listers following the ongoing debate about Talpiot may find this new essay to be of interest. http://www.lccc.wy.edu/Index.aspx?page=547 It's a PDF. Best Jim ...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 8, 2007 10:18 am
List -- Jack Elliott has an excellent essay in the current issue of The Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus (Vol 5.2, July '07, pp 119-154), called...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Sep 8, 2007 2:13 pm
Hi Loren, a few thoughts... Glad to see this thread brought up again. We're most likely going to have to live with the reality that the terms "Jew and...
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John C. Poirier
johncpoirier
Sep 8, 2007 3:03 pm
I'm sorry, I just don't get the point. If "Israelite" meant then what "Jewish" means now, then why is it wrong to call Jesus a "Jew" when we mean by it what...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 8, 2007 3:32 pm
... "Israelite" then does not mean what "Jewish" means now. Jewishness is all about the beliefs and practices associated with the Mishnah rather than the...
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Jeff Peterson
jeffpeterson...
Sep 8, 2007 4:47 pm
Loren, I can see there are important distinctions to be made in describing adherents of the religion emanating from Judea before and after the revolts of 66...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 8, 2007 4:57 pm
... for the earlier period misleads as well by ... More precisely: "Judaism" for the later period and "Judeanism" for the 2nd-Temple period. ("Judean" being ...
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Darrell Bock
dbockdts
Sep 8, 2007 4:59 pm
I gave this new report a quick read this morning. There are two significant things to note. The first is not so significant, other than to make an effort to ...
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Frank Jacks
expcman
Sep 8, 2007 5:14 pm
... While I truly do appreciate this clarification (as well as your original posting of the article), I must say that I find this definition of "Jewishness"...
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Mark Goodacre
marksgoodacre
Sep 9, 2007 2:25 am
Loren, Many thanks for the interesting post, both here and on your blog. I can't access the latest Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus yet, but look...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Sep 9, 2007 5:03 am
... My thanks, as well, and also to Mark for these thoughtful replies. I'm going to copy Stevan Davies, because he has expressed an interest in this topic...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 9, 2007 11:51 am
Mark, Thanks for raising your concerns. [Loren] ... NT ... [Mark] "I don't like the word "correctly" here when used of translation. If there were a correct and...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 9, 2007 11:57 am
... I too wouldn't mind hearing from Stevan Davies. I seldom agree with his take on Galilee, but I know he resists referring to Jesus as a Jew. Does he apply ...
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Mark Goodacre
marksgoodacre
Sep 9, 2007 2:21 pm
Hi Loren, Thanks for your reply. It looks like I am going to have to read the article before proceeding further. It's not online yet, so I'm guessing you...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 9, 2007 2:54 pm
... That might be best. I'm tempted to present Elliott's argument at more length, but I think that would be doing him a disservice and remove incentive for...
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sdavies0
Sep 9, 2007 4:53 pm
Hi Folks: I'm glad Bob asked me to respond to these letters and get involved in Crosstalk again. I think the question of the separate religious situations in...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Sep 10, 2007 12:08 am
... I wonder if this statement is really correct, and also if we can make "simple" or uniform statements abou the term "Ioudaios";? The term probably is most...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Sep 10, 2007 12:47 am
... Stevan (and others) I wonder what evidence you have for this paucity of observant "jews" in Galilee? Do you give any credance to the evidence that Mark...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Sep 10, 2007 12:47 am
Stevan Davies wrote: I do not think that Galileans had any particular interest in what the Judeans were up to in their capital's temple, but I do think that ...
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sdavies0
Sep 10, 2007 2:21 am
... observant "jews" in Galilee? Do you give any credance to the evidence that Mark Chancey adduces that >Galilee was more jewish than has often been...
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David Hindley
dchindley
Sep 10, 2007 5:14 am
Looks like we can't just send a response to the group from a digest anymore. Have to use that incredibly inconvenient "fully featured" (but uneditable) digest....
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 10, 2007 11:09 am
... I agree; many Jewish scholars have a vested interest in trying to maintain an unbroken (but non-existent) chain between themselves and ancient Israel. But...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 10, 2007 11:23 am
[Loren] ... [Mark Matson] ... Note that the Samaritan *mistakenly* refers to Jesus as a Ioudaios, as he is traveling north from Judea to Galilee. But yes,...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Sep 10, 2007 1:39 pm
... Interesting. I don't see "mistakenly" anywhere in my text! The whole interchange works on a "ioudais" vs. "Samaritan" context. I don't see Jesus denying...
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Mark Goodacre
marksgoodacre
Sep 10, 2007 2:31 pm
... I am not convinced of this line of argument. The fact that Jesus is returning to Galilee in this story does not affect his identity. The narrator's aside...
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Frank Jacks
expcman
Sep 10, 2007 3:11 pm
... Thanks for this invitation although I am not sure that such is needed since your own statement "makes the case" for what I had in mind ... and does so both...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Sep 10, 2007 3:46 pm
... That Jesus is moving from Judea to Galilee can certainly effect the way a stranger (mis)understands him as a Ioudaios, if the geographical meaning is in ...
