... I'm looking forward to this, Jeffrey. ... Have you been able to find anyone besides Joan Taylor who says the prayer originated with John (Lk 11:1)? I'm...
Dear Jeffrey, What is the relationship between the LP and the Kaddish? They sound very similar to me. What is the age of the kaddish? Liz Fried Ann Arbor _____...
Hi Jeffrey, Are you going to include the very different perspective of Hal Taussig from "Jesus Before God?" Whatever you think of the overall thesis, this...
Popular audiences will be familiar with the idea that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and perhaps also with Neil Douglas-Klotz's book Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations...
... Yes, Taussig is someone whose work on the LP I will be discussing. But in the light of your mentioning him, let me ask list members for the names of ...
Susan Jeffers wrote: 'Popular audiences will be familiar with the idea that Jesus spoke Aramaic...I think you should include some discussion of Aramaic vs...
I see that Bob Funk published a paper entitled "The Lord's Prayer: Does It Go Back to Jesus?" in Vol 2:1 of the Fourth R and that Hal Taussig also published...
... It may not be more than a footnote, but James Barr's JTS article "Abba Isn't Daddy" is important in assessing Jesus' attitude towards God, which Jeremias...
Jeffrey B. Gibson wrote: <<But in the light of your mentioning him, let me ask list members for the names of authors (other than the obvious ones like Lohmeyer...
... Nor does it have any point of contact, formally or materially or thematically, with Second Temple Jewish prayers. It would seem that those people who think...
... Isn't the LP in the Didache? IIRC, that might provide reason to discuss * What role it played in the community that used the Didache * Whether the Didache...
... for the names of ... whose work on the ... I think the following book deserves to be discussed: M. Philonenko, Le Notre Père: De la prière de Jésus à...
I didn't know that Crossan considered the LP in the Didache early, but Milavec argues that the whole Didache is early in his huge tome: "The Didache: Faith,...
... Kurt Niederwimmer also argues that the Didache is early second-century. [see Niederwimmer et al. 1998. /"The Didache: Hermeneia/. Minneapolis: Fortress...
... Flusser too discusses the LP in his book on the Didache--- on pages 293-296. Jim -- Jim West, ThD http://web.infoave.net/~jwest -- Biblical Studies...
By early, Milavec means first century, note the subtitle: 50-70 C.E. That seems a bit unconventional. Most would date it early 2nd century or later. What does...
James Spinti wrote: By early, Milavec means first century, note the subtitle: 50-70 C.E. That seems a bit unconventional. Most would date it early 2nd century...
... See Birth of Christianity, Chapter 20. He places it in "tensive dialogue" with the Q Gospel, but at an earlier stage than the finished document we now have...
... JES Lisbeth, Sorry I am not Jeffrey, but the link between the LP and the Kaddish is widely acknowledged by scholars. I believe the majority think the ...
... kaddish predates Jesus and that the LP is a variation on the Jewish prayer. I would see this link as one of the most powerful arguments for its early...
... Las time I checked, the main problem was the lack of good early sources about what the Kaddish actually included at the time of Jesus. What sources do we...
... Here's what I wrote on the question of the relationship of the LP to the Kaddish (and some other Jewish prayers) in my article on the LP (and whether it...
... This appears to remain true. And, BTW, some search of the XTalk archives ... For an interesting twist on this, see below. ... There has been a great deal...
Rikk Watts wrote on May 26, 2006: Hi Ted, sorry about the delay... I've snipped some things. Hi Rikk, I am sorry, too, about my delay in response to your post...
Ken wrote: "How so? Couldn't the resemblance be explained just as well on the theory that Matthew, or conceivably someone else, composed the Lord's prayer at...
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