... And earlier, Antonio wrote, after citing Paula Fredrikson, but speaking for ... I wish that you would not make such sweeping generalizations. There seems ...
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James Crossley
jgcrossley10
Dec 29, 2005 6:38 pm
... divinity" linked to Middle Platonism and Great Chain of Being (i.e., Greek) cosmologies, and do not necessarily have Hebrew/Aramaic cosmological ...
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Rikk Watts
rikkwatts
Dec 29, 2005 6:47 pm
Thanks James, ... Good! Makes me feel comfortable. ... This is a fair question, and behind it lies, I think: "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 29, 2005 7:13 pm
Gordon, I did not read your post until after I made mine. I note your very imaginative reconstruction of how Luke might have been written very late, but it...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 29, 2005 9:10 pm
... Well, yes-- Moses is actually the best example. But to my knowledge it was Platonism, and not Judaism, that arranged these intermediaries in a ladder with...
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Jim West
drjewest
Dec 29, 2005 9:17 pm
... Not exactly. Jim Davila at St Andrews had a brilliant course on Divine Mediator Figures in which he clearly (in my estimation) shows the "Jewishness" of...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Dec 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Hi John, ... First, I'll take "imaginative" as a compliment:)! ... As for this... Well, in the first place let me simply remind you that when an author is...
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David Hindley
dchindley
Dec 30, 2005 12:46 am
Bob, To be honest, I really don't know the exact reason this is commonly stated. Offhand I do not recall the matter being mentioned in the Pentateuch. An...
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David Hindley
dchindley
Dec 30, 2005 2:22 am
Ted, ... Second, I did not intend to dismiss the significance of the EGW EIMI for one's overall understanding of the charge of blasphemy but simply didn't have...
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David Hindley
dchindley
Dec 30, 2005 3:47 am
Rikk ... describing the appropriate response of a judge when passing the death sentence on a blasphemer, see m. Sanh. 7.5.<< The judges of mSanh 7.5 were not...
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Rikk Watts
rikkwatts
Dec 30, 2005 5:13 am
Dave, ... Not sure that matters does it since what is being given is a statement of principle? The HP in Mark seems clearly to be operating as a judge, a role ...
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Antonio Jerez
antonio_jerez@...
Dec 30, 2005 4:37 pm
... Tim, I am not quite sure what your point is by quoting these examples from Luke. Is it that Luke claims that Jesus is God? If so you are out on really thin...
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Antonio Jerez
antonio_jerez@...
Dec 30, 2005 4:44 pm
... I think we will have to agree to disagree on this point. But I think placing Luke earlier than 70 AD creates more problems than it solves. It just...
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Antonio Jerez
antonio_jerez@...
Dec 30, 2005 5:12 pm
... Bob, I think Gordon Raynal has anwered you already on this subject much better than I would be able to do. I can only add the adress to Paula Fredriksen's...
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Antonio Jerez
antonio_jerez@...
Dec 30, 2005 6:01 pm
Sorry, just a little correction on a earlier reply to a message from ... Should in this particular context have been James Crossley. Thanks again, James. I...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 30, 2005 7:10 pm
Gordon, I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. But although you have outlined a *possible* background to Luke's work, you have not answered the...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Dec 30, 2005 7:51 pm
Hi John, ... We will indeed. ... Well, you are evidently convinced that Paul was martyred by the Romans. I really don't know. But if he were, then Luke's...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Dec 30, 2005 7:53 pm
... Hi Antonio, ... Thanks for the good word! ... Indeed, I agree. I simply want to emphasize the base of the imagination was founded in the long heritage of...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 30, 2005 10:08 pm
... Which concept? the intermediary thing, the degrees of divinity thing, or what? Is Davila's info on this available on his web site? ... I wrote about...
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Jim West
drjewest
Dec 30, 2005 10:45 pm
... All of the above. Yes. ... I didn't see the "middle". In any event- the point is that the Jewish thinkers didn't need plato in any form or incarnation....
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BitsyCat1@...
bitsycat2
Dec 30, 2005 10:59 pm
... Respectfully, if I may, could you state where you believe that Philo of Alexandria falls in there if this is true? Regards, John Moon Springfield, Tenn. ...
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Tim Crosby
tim-crosby@...
Dec 30, 2005 11:17 pm
... You say "most of these data could be interpreted in other ways." But when you have a dozen signposts pointing in the same direction (and this all from a...
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Rikk Watts
rikkwatts
Dec 30, 2005 11:29 pm
Gentlemen, Much appreciate the discussion: I wonder if it might help you both (and the rest of us) if you agree to a list of the issues (e.g. Tim's more than a...
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Tim Crosby
tim-crosby@...
Dec 31, 2005 12:04 am
I counted about a dozen points already enumerated in my post of a day or two ago, all related to how Luke updates Mark's apocalyptic discourse presumably after...
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Tim Crosby
tim-crosby@...
Dec 31, 2005 1:55 am
Tim Crosby wrote: Luke records a series of metaphorical statements about God's "coming" that ... Antonio Jarez responded: I am not quite sure what your point...
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Rikk Watts
rikkwatts
Dec 31, 2005 2:12 am
no problem.. just a friendly and interested suggestion.. I thought it might informative to go through them one at a time.. Best Rikk...
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Tim Crosby
tim-crosby@...
Dec 31, 2005 4:22 am
... Would love to, but you choose which one interests you. Tim Crosby...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 31, 2005 10:27 pm
A Happy New Year to one and all. Best Wishes JOHN E STATON...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 31, 2005 10:27 pm
Antonio, I have dealt in another post with the matter of what Luke meant by "many". As James Dunn argues in "Jesus Remembered", I believe there were many...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 31, 2005 10:28 pm
Antonio, Who said anything about Constantine and the bishops? At no time have I ever equated Paul's view with that of Constantine, but I do think he drops a...
