... [snip] Bob, you are correct the Markan passion predictions do not contain any salvific interpretation of Jesus' death. But Mk. 10:45 does have Jesus speak...
... Certainly with respect to the passion predictions that appears to be the case. But with respect to the Last Supper -- where Jesus does impute implicitly,...
... You are right that Greco-Roman and Jewish literature is replete with examples of those who died for a cause and, in so doing, were venerated for their...
... This raises the question of what in your eyes would constitute such evidence. What is your criteria for determining that possible evidence is to be...
Ted wrote: I find no historically credible evidence that the historical Jesus interpreted and proclaimed his death as having salvific purpose or meaning,...
... Ted, This complex solution to a simple question depends on at least three dubious assumptions: (1) that there were post-Easter followers of Jesus in...
Ron Price: dubious assumptions: (3) that the Jerusalem Jesus community interpreted Jesus' death as salvific. I agree. The evidence is very strong that this...
... I wonder if it would be helpful that anyone who makes this claim goes on to specify whet he/she means by "salvific". ... But he does, does he not, link...
... Acts 20:28 is discussed on pp. 87-88 and 264. He argues that scribes objected to the notion that God has blood and changed to the text to refer to the...
Ehrman stands by 26th edition and Metzger: ie the earliest text of Luke 20.28 reads "the church of God which he obtained through the blood of his own (Son)"...
[Ted Weeden] ... to, self-consciously reflects upon (Gethsemane prayer) his death or, furthermore, imputes purposeful meaning to it are post-Easter...
Ernest Pennells
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Aug 2, 2005 4:38 pm
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Since Stephen Carlson has already answered Loren's question, this is in response to Stephanie Fisher asking in effect my view of Acts 20:28 and Jeffrey B....
... Are you equating the concept of ransoming (Mk 10:45/Mt 20:28) with that of sacrifice (Mk 14:22-25/Mt 26:26-29/[Lk 22:19b-20])? The former says that ...
Loren, Luke attributes no saving efficacy to the cross. For Luke, by the power of God, Jesus was resurrected from the dead. No ransom; no sacrifice. Richard...
Richard, ... Perhaps -- assuming the way you deal with Acts 20:28 is correct. This still leaves open the question of a martrydom theology. Loren Rosson III ...
In case it's of interest, here's a link to my new paper (34 pages; 334 kb pdf file), "Jannaeus, His Brother Absalom, and Judah the Essene," on the history and...
correction: also no Lk 22:19b-20 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:35 AM To: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [XTalk] Ransom payment and sacrifice ...
I agree with your basic conclusions, Ted, but I am surprised that you base your argument so heavily on Crossan and Kloppenborg Verbin. For the eucharistic...
Dearest Professors, Scripture Scholars, Theologians, and fellow- listers, I am Carmelo B. Sorita from the Philippines, and for the past two to three years, a...
This is a late reply to Ted Weeden's extensive, February 1, argumentation re. Jesus ben Ananias in Josephus' Jewish War (see below). He argued Mark's trial...
... To answer your question: methodologically, I begin with those first century Christian texts where Jesus is cited as alluding to or referring directly to ...
Loren, I see no indication in Luke of a martrydom theology. But I happen to think the reason we find no atonement theology in Luke is because Luke is writing ...
At 09:28 AM 8/3/2005, Theodore Weeden wrote in response to Jeffrey Gibson ... On what grounds? You might be justified in excluding the long "pastoral prayers"...
[Ted Weeden] ... political authority, he would most likely have considered the possibility of being stoned. While I do not think the saying is an authentic...
Ernest Pennells
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Aug 4, 2005 4:36 am
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... Tony, you are correct that it is not *inconceivable* that Jesus and his followers were aware of the tradition of martyr-theology. It is also plausible...
... I, as perhaps as recalcitrant as I am, still hold to the two document hypothesis, and as I indicated in my essay the Q people are representative of a...
... Ernie, with respect to my argument for the cross saying being a post-Easter saying, see my post of 8/3/05 to Jeffrey Gibson. ... I ascribe the innovative...
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