With apologies for cross posting: Just a reminder that out Seminar with Gerd Ludemann on his book _The Resurrection of Christ_ begins on Monday, Jan 3rd. We...
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Theodore Weeden
Tweeden@...
Jan 1, 2005 10:39 pm
Stephen Carlson wrote on Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:46 PM: Subject: Re: [XTalk] The Streetlight Fallacy ... [TJW} For some reason I did not receive Steve's...
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Theodore Weeden
Tweeden@...
Jan 1, 2005 10:47 pm
For some reason, Steve Davies' original post (see below) appeared on my computer after I just sent a post regarding it and Stephen Carlson's reply to it. That...
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Patrick Narkinsky
amphigory2
Jan 1, 2005 11:04 pm
... I don't think this analogy is on point. The problem is that, in the case of the drunk seeking his keys, there is no reason to think (and good reason not...
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C. McKinney
C_McK
Jan 1, 2005 11:04 pm
I took the following comment from Gavin McNett to be a comparison of Brown ... To which Jeffrey Gibson (no doubt reflecting the sensibilities of many of ... ...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Jan 1, 2005 11:12 pm
... Because Brown is making claims about the HJ and Chick is making claims about Wescott and Hort. Moreover, Brown's works is an international best seller....
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Patrick Narkinsky
amphigory2
Jan 1, 2005 11:18 pm
... Well, I'm just throwing this, out but I'd say the fact that Brown presents his views as being the prevailing opinion in Academic circles might have...
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Jim West
drjewest
Jan 1, 2005 11:23 pm
... Even worse, Brown's book, a fiction, is read by many as a factual account. I know, you know, pretty much everyone on list knows its fiction- but the...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jan 1, 2005 11:44 pm
... I knew someone was going to bring up this point. We can each provide our own counter-metaphor-- mine is that the drunk dropped his keys next to his parked...
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Jim West
drjewest
Jan 2, 2005 12:55 am
... Actually it is only on point if one assumes that folk holding to something resembling historical christianity are drunks stumbling along in the dark. Not...
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Patrick Narkinsky
amphigory2
Jan 2, 2005 1:21 am
... I would take a different tack: that Jesus was the "first fruits" of the general resurrection and that, by raising him from the dead, God has promised to do...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jan 2, 2005 3:20 am
... Thanks for taking the time, and Happy New Year! ... Well, it gets us off-topic a little here, but to call oneself a Christian implies priorities, and to...
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Tony Buglass
tonybuglass
Jan 2, 2005 9:56 am
... Actually it is only on point if one assumes that folk holding to something resembling historical christianity are drunks stumbling along in the dark. Not...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Jan 2, 2005 10:55 am
[Bob] ... I'm afraid you'd have to ask a Christian like Dale. :) ... I'm actually choosing the word very carefully, and I stand my assessment -- the recent...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Jan 2, 2005 1:43 pm
Hi Steve, ... The question: Why "the creeps?" Comments: 1. If Mark is what we have, then in principle no historical research can be done. One has to have...
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Bob MacDonald
drmacdonald_...
Jan 2, 2005 3:02 pm
... other details<< In prep for the Ludeman seminar and as a part of my random walk through the maze of Xtalk, I am reading Dunn, Christology in the Making. I...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Jan 2, 2005 5:32 pm
... Don't know what "communities" you have in mind, but could they have been any more zoo-y on end-times ferment than Paul? Or where do you see him correcting...
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sdavies0
Jan 2, 2005 6:13 pm
Gordon Raynal wrote: "The question: Why "the creeps?"" All of this effort going into a project that seems to be hopeless is creepy. Or at least it seems...
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siguiriya@...
mishima666
Jan 3, 2005 2:08 am
Bob Schacht writes: I'm not of a mind to suggest that Christianity would be *totally* debunked if the historical Jesus turns out to be radically different from...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Jan 3, 2005 12:09 pm
... No, you didn't make this up. Donald Akenson uses the same "mashal", as he calls it, on p 174 of Saint Saul. (He agrees with you that the synoptics are...
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John C. Poirier
johncpoirier
Jan 3, 2005 12:51 pm
Steve, Thanks for your clarification of "creepy", but it brings up an interesting question about your denigration of Sanders's view. You wrote: "[I]sn't it ...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Jan 3, 2005 1:00 pm
... You're right, John. The eschatological prophet who looked for the restoration of Israel, obedient to Torah, does not square with Sanders' own breed of ...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Jan 3, 2005 3:44 pm
... Hi Mike, With the note that I think individual communities were in themselves diverse (note Paul dealing with at least four "I belong to" groups in Corinth...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Jan 3, 2005 4:21 pm
Hi Steve, ... I agree that this is the meat of the matter. But as for Jesus, looking across the resources I think we can sketch out the core of his ...
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sdavies0
Jan 3, 2005 4:58 pm
... interesting > question about your denigration of Sanders's view. You wrote: "[I]sn't it> creepy how everybody knows that people make their image of Jesus...
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sdavies0
Jan 3, 2005 5:03 pm
... I've heard this term before but I've never understood it. What does the "restoration" of Israel mean? If someone can explain it, please do so on the level...
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SteveBlack
steveblack44
Jan 3, 2005 5:19 pm
... As a quick off the cuff answer - wouldn't it simply mean returning to the country her sovereignty? In other words getting those pesky Romans out of the...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Jan 3, 2005 5:38 pm
... Basically the gathering of the twelve tribes under particular disciples (who in turn answer to Jesus the "viceroy"); a heaven on earth where peace and...
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Rikk Watts
rikkwatts
Jan 3, 2005 5:57 pm
Steve, Have you had a look at Jimmy Dunn's summary in JESUS REMEMBERED, pp. 260-65, 393-404 (though I have doubts about his overly rigid conceptualizing of a ...
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John C. Poirier
johncpoirier
Jan 3, 2005 6:29 pm
... I'll meet you half way, Steve, or maybe more than half way, because your basic point is a good one: ignoring Thomas, in this day, is inexcusable, ...
