... Jewish angelology is complex and certainly some Jews were happy to think of angels as gods (lower case). But the (almost?) always distinguished between ...
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Crispin H.T. Fletcher...
dth0chf
Mar 1, 2003 3:31 pm
Jacob, ... Thanks for alerting the listers to the existence of an alternative scholarly view! (though the careful reader will note that, as far as I can...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Mar 1, 2003 5:18 pm
With many thanks to James M. Pfundstein on the Classics List, here is the material on Caligula walking on the sea that I mentioned as possible background for...
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mwgrondin <mwgrond...
mwgrondin
Mar 1, 2003 5:23 pm
... That depends on the supposed nature of Jesus, doesn't it? Was it a case of a human being tapping into hitherto unknown (and titularly "divine") powers,...
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Frank McCoy
silvanus55109
Mar 1, 2003 9:48 pm
... <crispin.fletcher-louis@...> wrote: I think it is rather unlikely that 1 Peter knew 4Q511 (Songs of the Sage)since this is a sectarian text ...
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Andrew Lloyd <a.ll...
a_p_lloyd
Mar 2, 2003 1:59 pm
In another online location I am currently pursuing a discussion which involves an historical understanding of Jesus' favourite term for that which he was...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Mar 2, 2003 6:49 pm
In short ... Hi, This tradition of reading the KOG as necessarily "apocalyptic" just conglomerates the different theological voices from ancient Israel into a ...
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Steve Black
steveblack44
Mar 2, 2003 7:06 pm
... I guess I would simply want to ask if we have any reason to believe that the HJ would not have "mixed styles"? I have been reading Auerbach's Mimesis where...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Mar 2, 2003 7:10 pm
... Steve, The one thing I want to ask if what speech of this sort do you ascribe to HJ? Gordon...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Mar 2, 2003 7:23 pm
... Andrew, In a word, much. As I read the evidence, it is more than likely that Jesus expected to witness divine intervention and the establishment of the...
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Steve Black
steveblack44
Mar 2, 2003 7:31 pm
... I didn't have any thing specific in mind - I'll think about it - but I was thinking more in general about how the "Kingdom of God" seems to have more than...
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Steve Black
steveblack44
Mar 2, 2003 7:38 pm
... If we take the temple cleansing as "authentic" - this is not a saptiential act but a prophetic one. This of course isn't a "speech", but I think it...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Mar 2, 2003 8:00 pm
... You may get your wish -- or at least the opportunity to discuss whether there is any fresh evidence -- sooner than you thing. For one of the foremost...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Mar 2, 2003 8:05 pm
... I agree with Steve and would go stronger by saying that the parables are fundamentally prophetic in that they announce God's will for Israel in its time of...
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RSBrenchley@...
robert_brenc...
Mar 2, 2003 8:34 pm
In a message dated 01/03/03 13:43:34 GMT Standard Time, ... Religion ... I wonder whether the Transfiguration should be treated as an example? I've long felt...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Mar 2, 2003 10:33 pm
... Jeffrey, Has Dale discovered a new historical source since SBL? I heard him there and not surprisingly was not much moved by he and Horsely on this...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Mar 2, 2003 10:33 pm
... Hi Steve and Loren, Well:)! a. I don't think that incident is historical, but a lovely midrashic creation of Mark. b. In any event, contra my good sparring...
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Steve Black
steveblack44
Mar 2, 2003 10:47 pm
... You might be right - this is one of the prob's with HJ studies -first we need to figure out what counts as evidence - and it seems like we might never get...
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Steve Black
steveblack44
Mar 2, 2003 10:50 pm
Sorry for the careless typing... ... This should read... ...thus we might not be surprised to see the parables doing things that they *NOT* "are supposed to...
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Gordon Raynal
feydmartha
Mar 2, 2003 11:10 pm
Hi again Steve, ... Will stay away from this huge subject for the time being... but simply say that this part of the PN fits hand in glove with haggadic...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Mar 2, 2003 11:27 pm
... You'll just have to wait and see! In any event, you will at least have an opportunity to say why he has left you unmoved and to garner a response from him...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Mar 3, 2003 12:09 am
... Andrew, Isn't this pretty close to what Ed Sanders argues in The Historical Figure of Jesus? ... Probably depends on how you evaluate Sanders' evidence. ...
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Steve Dingeldein
sdingeldein@...
Mar 3, 2003 12:40 am
Interesting discussion of Jesus' apocalyptic claims. As a relative amateur I'd be interested in what you folk have to say about Horsely comment in Jesus and...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Mar 3, 2003 1:10 am
... Those with long memories or good records may recall that David Kaylor was an early member of CrossTalk back in the old days when it was hosted by ...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Mar 3, 2003 3:11 am
... Another serendipitous message -- like Gordon's earlier -- as it gives me a good reason to remind List members that Dick Horsley will be joining us in May...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Mar 3, 2003 3:40 am
... This scenario was extensively researched by Stevan Davies in his book, Jesus the Healer. ... I appreciate your use of Kleinman's distinctions here. Most of...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Mar 3, 2003 6:11 am
... Mike, The reason I brought this up was that you were examining the foundational mission statements of institutions of higher learning as if they ...
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mwgrondin <mwgrond...
mwgrondin
Mar 3, 2003 8:54 am
Hi Bob, ... What I cited from Regent College isn't old. It's on their current website (http://www.gospelcom.net/regent/regentnew). Whether it's part of their...
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Eric Eve
ecse2000
Mar 3, 2003 10:26 am
... Bob, Hey, no need to go overboard <g>! (or is this a case where an American 'quite' has a different nuance from a British 'quite'?). ... translate ... ...
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Loren Rosson
rossoiii
Mar 3, 2003 11:56 am
... Gordon, I have actually never equated prophetic with apocalyptic, nor eschatological with apocalyptic (the latter being a subset of the former). Clerical ...
