Hi Rikk, I am going to liberally snip this post as I think the various made don't need to be remade. A few comments to clarify... ... What specifically are...
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brmcc2000
Jul 2, 2002 4:23 am
This theme is probably pretty well worked out by now, but I did get an answer from my Paul scholar to my questions. It was brief and focused on a) a fact and...
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bjtraff
Jul 2, 2002 5:13 am
I have to admire the dedication of a man who takes a minivacation, and then takes time out during the Canadian long weekend to post to us here at XTalk! ;-) In...
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bjtraff
Jul 2, 2002 5:59 am
... I wonder why (b) does not include the qualification "Jesus' teachings *in writing*, since the conclusion found in (b) is based on an assumption rooted in...
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sdavies0
Jul 3, 2002 12:31 am
Have you all noticed how the word "teaching"; gets used in so many radically different ways here? A sentence about Paul conveying "teaching"; implies, for some,...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jul 3, 2002 2:55 am
... Not guilty! :-) Or, what was the charge? In fact, one of the burdens under which attempts to understand Jesus' teaching has labored is the lack of clarity...
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sdavies0
Jul 3, 2002 1:48 pm
... Jesus' ... between ... in ... which, as ... even if ... that he was ... view, ... I have tried to make the same point myself. If we take the "turn the ...
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Frank McCoy
silvanus55109
Jul 3, 2002 5:04 pm
... (Steve Davies) ... (Frank McCoy) Who was a Galilean peasant prophet? Are you referring to Jesus the Nazorean? If so, what makes you sure he was a...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jul 4, 2002 4:48 am
I want to recommend-- *strongly* recommend-- Stephen J. Patterson's The God of Jesus: The Historical Jesus and the search for meaning (1998). I take some risk...
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Karel Hanhart
hanhartfamily
Jul 4, 2002 10:12 am
... The appearance of the name "petros" in Galatians 2 is probably due to the fact that Paul was writing to a community with some (or many) Greek speaking...
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Rikk E. Watts
rikkwatts
Jul 4, 2002 2:23 pm
Bob, By happy co-incidence, Charlesworth has reviewed the book in RBL: <http://www.bookreviews.org/Reviews/1563382288.html> regards, Rikk ... Dr. Rikk E. Watts...
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bjtraff
Jul 4, 2002 3:27 pm
First, thanks to Bob for recommending Patterson's book, as it does sound like an interesting read. I am curious how it compares to Bruce Chilton's _Rabbi...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jul 4, 2002 4:02 pm
... historians have stopped talking with each other. Patterson finds this state of affairs "intolerable." What is more, to him, theologians are not *them,* ...
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Rikk E. Watts
rikkwatts
Jul 4, 2002 5:00 pm
David, It would be a fascinating study to see how much the Jesus we discover looks like the discoverer. Have a look at Marsh, Clive, ³Quests for the ...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jul 4, 2002 5:04 pm
... Brian, I'm more interested in the comparison that Charlesworth suggests with Chilton's _Pure Kingdom: Jesus' Vision of God_, and David Flusser's work, such...
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bjtraff
Jul 4, 2002 8:37 pm
... I suppose the question begs as to why Patterson does not reference these other works if they address similar themes. After all, if we want to "discover";...
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Mark Goodacre
marksgoodacre
Jul 4, 2002 10:33 pm
... Here's the conclusion to Allison's article, "A Plea for a Thoroughgoing Eschatology" 'The eschatological Jesus is theologically troubling . . . the truth, ...
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Rikk E. Watts
rikkwatts
Jul 4, 2002 10:38 pm
... Out of the mouths of babes... (Brian, definitely no offence intended); you've just hit Charlesworth's nail on the head for him. I'll keep grinning all...
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brmcc2000
Jul 5, 2002 12:17 pm
I. We might enquire not only a) about what Jesus expected, but also b) where his expectations lay along the spectrum from certitudes to convictions to hopes to...
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Bob Webb
robertlwebb
Jul 5, 2002 12:39 pm
... In a 1986 article, Marcus Borg reports a survey in which he polled scholars on the question of the eschatological Jesus, both within the Jesus Seminar and...
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Mark Goodacre
marksgoodacre
Jul 5, 2002 3:30 pm
... Good point. After all, one of the things Tom Wright is so insistent on is that Jesus did not expect the imminent end of the world, yet at the same time he...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Jul 6, 2002 5:10 pm
... It has wider implications than this, if we want to understand the growth and development of the Church in the early centuries, because such questions can...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jul 6, 2002 7:54 pm
... criticism must have repercussions among the faithful who accept its principals], if we want to understand the growth and development of the Church in the...
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sdavies0
Jul 7, 2002 6:39 pm
... there is?" ... by the ... Thomas ... theology, ... track to ... thinking of it ... Well, I think there's an answer to that question. Let's take your own ...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jul 7, 2002 11:50 pm
Steven, ... Questers, the folks who have become fed up for good with the Christian Church of the two sorts and who want something else to massage their ...
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bjtraff
Jul 8, 2002 12:33 am
... I'm sorry, but which "fact" is this Steve? That GThomas is probably 2nd Century and dependent on the Canonicals? :-) ... Good heavens. The "known" first...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jul 8, 2002 2:05 am
My apologies if my "Steven" should have been "StevAn" ... <gotta get me some of them there spectacles> Respectfully, Dave Hindley Cleveland, Ohio, USA...
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antonmula
Jul 8, 2002 4:53 pm
Is there, on the Web, a listing of any quotes of or allusions to the words of Jesus as reported in the gospels in other writings of the NT? Thanks in advance ...
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Frank McCoy
silvanus55109
Jul 8, 2002 4:54 pm
I propose the hypothesis that there are two written sources for GTh. The first solely consists of free-standing sayings of Jesus: making it of the same genre...
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sdavies0
Jul 8, 2002 5:08 pm
... the ... Yes. What you appear to want can be found at http://www.axiosinstitute.org/ All the sayings of Jesus are listed, in King James' English, in "The...
