... I'm not sure what you're driving at. Here's the evidence from BAGD: IAKWB (= Jacob) 1. son of Isaac, Mt1:2 22:32 Mk12:26 Lk1:33 3:34 20:37 Jn4:5 6 12 ...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
Oct 4, 1998 7:06 am
... Why not Yeshu bar Miryam? (cf. Mark 6:3) Stephen Carlson -- Stephen C. Carlson mailto:scarlson@... Synoptic Problem Home...
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joe baxter
joseph@...
Oct 4, 1998 7:45 am
I appreciate your focus. I see that the word Nazratim (the Nazareans) is commonly used to refer to the community of followers of Jesus. Christians. But I have...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 4, 1998 10:46 am
... True. ... True. ... Rubbish. You are not in a position to say this. You are guessing because it soothes. Mike wants Yeshu. You want Yeshua. Let's create...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 4, 1998 10:47 am
... Can't anyone see the problem with this sort of thinking? Ian...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 4, 1998 10:57 am
... Yes, it is plainly political, in the sense that they didn't want this fella tarred with the same brush as the betrayer. The distinction is useful to us ...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 4, 1998 1:13 pm
... Mahlon, I have the original here. Please think about that. (While I can guarantee you I sent a post only to Jack at 19.49 on Oct 3, it is that which Jack...
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Tom Simms
tsimms@...
Oct 4, 1998 1:41 pm
... I agree. It's called fictionalizing history. It's a hard habit to drop, but when Stevan Davies lays out the historical backgound Behind 1st C Galilee,...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon@...
Oct 4, 1998 2:53 pm
... Since Ya'akov bar Yosef was probably named after his grandfather Ya'akov (following Jewish naming practices), it is apparent that both names in the Semitic...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon@...
Oct 4, 1998 3:01 pm
... That would not conform to Jewish naming practices. He would have been identified with his father. It was the father who conferred the name and in so...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon@...
Oct 4, 1998 3:25 pm
... There have been volumes written on this, Joe. The N'tzarim (Nazarenes) with a tsade refers to the early followers of Jesus and (arguably) comes from...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Oct 4, 1998 5:41 pm
... Here's what I know of it (or think I do, anyway) in a nutshell: 1. In the Latin, the variation 'IACOMUS' was used. 2. In the earliest English bible, this...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 4, 1998 7:43 pm
... If you are talking about the early documentation, is "commonly"; a synonym for "rarely"? Jesus' followers are called "the disciples", "the twelve", and ...
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Rev. Craig R. Harmon
revcraigh@...
Oct 4, 1998 7:46 pm
<SNIP> ... <SNIP> But suppose the Historical Jesus WAS God incarnate! Just wondering, Rev. Craig R. Harmon ... See the original message at...
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Tom Simms
tsimms@...
Oct 4, 1998 8:21 pm
... Not applicable in normative history unless we accept the reality of all attributed divine humans from Egyptian kings to Alexander the Great to most Roman...
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Mahlon H. Smith
mahlonh.smith@...
Oct 4, 1998 9:38 pm
... No objection. So why do you rant & rave against the greater "probability" of an Aramaic pronunciation? It's your vehement refusal to look behind the...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Oct 4, 1998 11:10 pm
IAN ... MAHLON ... STEVE I'm stunned that folks care about this sort of thing so much... and Yakob etc. too. But to each his own. May I interject here that...
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Bob Schacht
Robert.Schacht@...
Oct 5, 1998 1:00 am
... Mahlon, Thanks for your attempts as moderator. ;-) Actually, I was only attempting to level the field and argue against *assuming* one or the other was...
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Sam Gibson
cygnus@...
Oct 5, 1998 1:18 am
Now this... ... ..is extremely interesting. As a Jew, I was given the name Shmoo-el (No laughing!) ben Ya'akov, or Samuel ben Jacob. My father's name is James....
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Oct 5, 1998 3:09 am
... The answer to your second question, as far as this promoter of 'Jacob' is concerned, is NO. The only names that bother me personally are those where we...
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Bob Schacht
Robert.Schacht@...
Oct 5, 1998 3:17 am
Can anyone tell me about: _Galilee; From Alexander the Great to Hadrian 323 BCE to 135 CE: a study of second temple judaism_, by Sean Freyne ($39.95 Paperback...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 5, 1998 3:59 am
... History is not about mild probabilities. We have three possible languages to deal with. I said Aramaic had a wider use in Galilee. You then make this silly...
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Bob Schacht
Robert.Schacht@...
Oct 5, 1998 4:01 am
Anyone know anything about this book? With Jesus through Galilee according to the Fifth Gospel, by Bargil Pixner. Paperback. ISBN: 0814624278 Publisher:...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Oct 5, 1998 5:25 am
Our story so far (begging Steve's indulgence): (1) In our original discussion many months ago under the title "A Jacob by ... (Today's installment - hopefully...
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y.kuchinsky@...
Oct 5, 1998 5:42 am
I'm sure the vehemence of Ian's language and tone in this debate has puzzled more than just poor me. (Hi, Ian! Long time no talk.) For the life of me, I cannot...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Oct 5, 1998 5:58 am
Ian- Yer spittin' in the wind, buddy. Not a good idea. Mike (Oh, by the way, I've decided that my poor posts do have some value after all [except for this...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 5, 1998 7:00 am
... Is vehemence the word of the day? It's alright I guess for people to try and brand you vehement with its lovely overtones. It has very little to do with ...
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Ian Hutchesson
mc2499@...
Oct 5, 1998 7:16 am
... Yes, I know, intellectual honesty is not a safe thing. Ian (I have friends who are archaeologists who, when they heard of my interest in biblical matters,...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.Goodacre@...
Oct 5, 1998 10:17 am
... On 1 Oct 98 at 12:25, Bob Schacht wrote ... It is clear that later texts of Mark were indeed influenced by Matthew, but you are right that this was not...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.Goodacre@...
Oct 5, 1998 11:16 am
... The more that one stares at this example, the more complex it gets. It is rewarding to study this, though, because it does help one to see that synoptic ...
