I sent this message a while ago, but don't see it on the list. Sorry,
if it's coming twice...

******


Thanks, Gabriela

I'm now experimenting with Intercall, based in London:
https://www.intercall.com/

My objective is to find something that includes those people who can't
use the Internet to participate in a phone call. So it has to be a
service that some people use only via the telephone.

My experience with Intercall so far is very helpful human service. I
have a support person who phones me up to check I know how to do
everything and there is easy access to a (human) support operator
during the call for all call participants. I haven't had the bill yet,
but I think it's going to be expensive.

I'd like to find something less expensive - like
highspeedconferencing.com (which is free if you ring in from skype) -
but which is reliable for me hosting calls in PT and which has
toll-free or local numbers from Portugal

Cheers
Bev





Beverly Trayner
Eudaimonia, Unipessoal Lda
Setúbal, Portugal

Webpage: http://www.eudaimonia.pt
Blog: http://phronesis.typepad.com



--- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriela Avram" <gabriela.avram@...>
wrote:
>
> I've done my research few months ago and the results are here:
> http://coniecto.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html#1770501149578297828
>
> In the mean time, I discovered a great service (although it is not
free!)
> offered by a company in Dublin:
> http://www.onlinemeetingrooms.com/index.php?page=press-and-media
> Watch the short tutorials to get an idea of the features!
>
> They're working on their rates to make the affordable to academia
and NGOs.
> We've used standard webcams and microphones and the quality was
exceptional!
>
> Kind regards,
> Gabriela
> --
> dr.Gabriela Avram
> Interaction Design Center
> University of Limerick
>         Ireland
> web:   http://www.idc.ul.ie
>          http://www.gabriela.avram.go.ro
> blogs: http://coniecto.blogspot.com
>          http://gabrielia.blogspot.com
> emails: gabriela.avram@...
>            gabriela.avram@...
> mob.:+353 85 1300355
> tel: +35361202798
> fax: +35361213484
>
> >  Free or good value/low cost teleconference services in Europe?
> >
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> > by: "Beverly Trayner" btrayner@...
> >
<btrayner@...?Subject=+Re%3AFree%20or%20good%20value%2Flow%20cost%20teleconferen\
ce%20services%20in%20Europe%3F>
  beverlytrayner
> > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/beverlytrayner>  Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:53
am (PST) A couple of months ago there was a brief discussion about low
cost
> > teleconferences where highspeedconferencing.com and
> > www.accuconference.com were mentioned.
> >
> > My experience of having a conference room with
> > highspeedconferencing.com in Portugal is that the conference rooms are
> > not always reliable i.e three times out of ten I am told the
> > conference room number is wrong. The same happens when someone else
> > phones to my bridge from Portugal.
> >
> > I've exchanged many emails with the support group about this but we
> > haven't discovered the cause - they say it is something to do with the
> > carrier, but I'm not convinced. In the meantime it works with Skype
> > and it works from a mobile phone and only sometimes it works from a
> > landline.
> >
> > I'm wondering if someone knows a low cost teleconference service in
> > Europe? Or if someone else has had the same problem I'm having and if
> > they found out the reason.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bev
> >
> > Beverly Trayner
> > Eudaimonia, Unipessoal Lda
> > Setúbal, Portugal
> >
> > Webpage: http://www.eudaimonia.pt
> > Blog: http://phronesis.typepad.com
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello all.

When a community's conversations become knowledge objects, and the messages
imbricate to form something larger and more relevant than each of them...

... does each author retain an (ethical) right to pull them out of the whole,
even if that brings the structure down or damages it seriously?

There's arguments for each view, and I'd really appreciate reading yours, here
or on my blog:

http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/authors-rights-and-common-work-a-conund\
rum/

It's a practical question, I'm afraid.

Best regards, and have a nice weekend,

Miguel


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Hi Naguib,

I read your question about the CoP stages. I know the model of Wenger with
the potential, coalescing etc.

Though I'm probably not responding directly to your question for member
activities at each stage, I like the article by John Smith and Bronwyn
Stuckey (both on this list) because of its explicit focus on the mature
stages, as compared to the pile focusing on the start-up stages.
http://www.bronwyn.ws/publications/papers/sustaining.pdf

With Sibrenne Wagenaar I'm writing an article about our experiences with a
community of practice in the Netherlands. We are talking about
stage-specific facilitator interventions, following the above mentioned
stages. This is one of the tables that we may use:


*Table 1 Stages in the learning community*

(Partly based on Wenger, 2005 and McDermott, Snyder and Wenger, 2002).



*Stage name*

*Potential*

* *

*Coalescing*

*Maturing*

*Stewarding*

*Transforming*

*Description*

*Falling in Love*

The birth depends on a few people who see its potential. The attraction
leads to a mixture of excitement and apprehension.

* *

*Dating*

Communities grow on social energy and learning opportunities. They need time
to discover the value of being a community.**

*Getting Married*

Communities in this stage design themselves and establish a rhythm of
togetherness and assign roles. It has to make sure all the relevant people
participate.**

*Living as a couple*

Mature communities seek challenges that go beyond the early focus and expect
to have a voice or make a difference.**

*Growing old, growing young*

Healthy communities live by reinventing themselves by exploring what they
are about and seeking to deliver value.**

*Observations from the *

*E-collaboration community*

The initiators saw the potential of an event to learn about e-collaboration.
The facilitators saw the potential of for a more continuous learning process
by fostering a CoP, based on the shared enthusiasm as well as their own
eager to gain practical experience with facilitating a CoP.



Members had individual experiments but did not share those experiences, not
feeling their worth to share. Members individually start to participate in
various training programs related to the domain of e-collaboration (online
facilitation, moderation, CoPs). Online a few experiences are shared, but
more is shared through the one-on-one interviews.

The design group forms and the rhythm of quarterly face-to-face meeting
hosted by a member is created. A relatively spontaneous structure for the
meetings is formed too; an online experiment beforehand, tools sessions and
intervision to discuss work issues as well as the ways of organizing the
meetings. The online space is used as a space to present events and tools.

The domain is redefined from learning about e-tools to learning how to
introduce e-tools effectively into development organizations. A blog is
added to the repertoire, making the community known publicly. Intensive
collaboration of some members with the knowledge management for development
community.

One member of the design group withdraws. Plans are made to change to a new
online environment from Dgroups to a Moodle environment. Online
teleconferences are added to the repertoire too. New ways of organizing the
meeting are introduced.

Perhaps that may help you to define member activities at each stage?

Good luck, Joitske

--
Joitske Hulsebosch * 070-2204114 and 06-44730093 * skype: joitskehulsebosch
*Personal bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/joitske * Blog:
http://joitskehulsebosch.blogspot.com


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Thanks for an interesting and thoughtprovoking series of exchanges.

Colleagues and I are participating in a peer-to-peer action research
investigation of if, and how, Facebook Groups can create enterprise value.

We  have 10 groups closely watching their activity and taking observations of
what works and doesn't. Our first results will be reported to the University of
Warwick's Knowledge Innovation Network March 6.

It occurred to me reading the posts about COP stages if anyone has considered in
relation to Facebook Groups. One of our Facebook Group participants is
essentially an educators' community of practice.

With thanks


Jenny Ambrozek


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Some members may find blended learning and instruction
<http://blendedlear.ning.com>  of interest.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Will educational professional development and corporate training
providers prefer blended (hybrid) learning models over face-to-face or
full e-learning programs?

Some of you may find blended learning and instruction
<http://blendedlear.ning.com>   social network of interest.



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Jenny,

If would be interestig to see the results of the research. Hopefully it will
be publicly available.

Thanks

*Cory Banks
*
Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/corza/
Blog: http://corzandeffect.blogspot.com/

On 22/01/2008, Jenny Ambrozek <jenny@...> wrote:
>
>   Thanks for an interesting and thoughtprovoking series of exchanges.
>
> Colleagues and I are participating in a peer-to-peer action research
> investigation of if, and how, Facebook Groups can create enterprise value.
>
> We have 10 groups closely watching their activity and taking observations
> of what works and doesn't. Our first results will be reported to the
> University of Warwick's Knowledge Innovation Network March 6.
>
> It occurred to me reading the posts about COP stages if anyone has
> considered in relation to Facebook Groups. One of our Facebook Group
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>
> With thanks
>
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That's quite in interesting research. I'm very much interested in it.

Adelina

--- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Jenny Ambrozek" <jenny@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for an interesting and thoughtprovoking series of exchanges.
>
> Colleagues and I are participating in a peer-to-peer action
research investigation of if, and how, Facebook Groups can create
enterprise value.
>
> We  have 10 groups closely watching their activity and taking
observations of what works and doesn't. Our first results will be
reported to the University of Warwick's Knowledge Innovation Network
March 6.
>
> It occurred to me reading the posts about COP stages if anyone has
considered in relation to Facebook Groups. One of our Facebook Group
participants is essentially an educators' community of practice.
>
> With thanks
>
>
> Jenny Ambrozek
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks Cory and Adelina for your encouraging interest.

Absolutely we plan to share a report. Right now just tracking
activity and figuring how to best report it is prime preoccupation.

What prompted me to post here was observing phases of activity among
our participating groups. We have some very small, just launched
groups that are on simmer.  The largest group appears to
have momentum because both of it's sheer size, and also I suspect,
the high profile topic.  One group this week suddenly took off for
reasons we are trying to gather and understand.

It's those dynamics that intrigue me. Please note the above
observations are purely that and mine at this point. It's not data
supported and no group sensemaking has yet taken place.

As many of your will know Nancy White I just wanted to add that
inspiration for our Facebook Group investigation came while
colleagues Victoria Axelrod, Kiki Mulliner and I were collaborating
on an article about "Connecting Intelligence: Learning through
Participation".

Our article quotes Nancy in this context:

Quote:

"4. Using multiple tools created value

From Ronald Burt (2000) we were aware of opportunities to create
value around `structural holes' in organisational networks. Hence we
paid attention when it was suggested that it is `…the space between
the tools where things happen' (N. White 2007, pers. comm., 2 July)."*

As we pursue our Facebook Groups investigation a topic that intrigues
me is how Facebook Groups fit in an ecoystem of interactive spaces
that support a brand/enterprise/organization and collaboration to
address a business objective.

If others are paying attention to this dynamic would appreciate
connecting. As we're working to deliver a study report that is
helpful to other's initiatives hearing your questions is most helpful.

Appreciated.

Jenny


*Source: Ambrozek,J, Axelrod V,G. & Mulliner,K (2007) Learning
through participation and connecting intelligence: experimenting with
a wiki to co-create an article Knowledge Tree Edition 14.
  http://kt.flexiblelearning.net.au/tkt2007/edition-14/lead-article-
learning-and-participation-through-connecting-intelligence-
experimenting-with-a-wiki-to-co-create-an-article/




--- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Adelina Silva" <adelinasilva@...>
wrote:
>
> That's quite in interesting research. I'm very much interested in
it.
>
> Adelina
>
> --- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Jenny Ambrozek" <jenny@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for an interesting and thoughtprovoking series of
exchanges.
> >
> > Colleagues and I are participating in a peer-to-peer action
> research investigation of if, and how, Facebook Groups can create
> enterprise value.
> >
> > We  have 10 groups closely watching their activity and taking
> observations of what works and doesn't. Our first results will be
> reported to the University of Warwick's Knowledge Innovation
Network
> March 6.
> >
> > It occurred to me reading the posts about COP stages if anyone
has
> considered in relation to Facebook Groups. One of our Facebook
Group
> participants is essentially an educators' community of practice.
> >
> > With thanks
> >
> >
> > Jenny Ambrozek
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Two observations:
(1) the article explains why so often in these lists women tend to be
negative toward the possibility of communicating through ICT
(2) as usual, I tend to react like a male -- whatever it means *giggle*

Rosanna Tarsiero, CKM]

Title:  Gender differences in the acceptance of information and
communication technologies: the case of internet usage

Author:  Hakan Celik, Isa Ipcioglu   Email author(s)

Address:  Department of Business Administration, Dumlupinar
University, Bilecik 11100, Turkey. ' Department of Business Administration,
Dumlupinar University, Bilecik 11100, Turkey

Journal:  International Journal of Knowledge and Learning 2007 - Vol.
3, No.6  pp. 576 - 591
  	 Abstract:  Information and Communication Technologies (ICTs)
are not evenly accessible for all the individuals in different regions or
countries. Several factors including income, education, literacy levels,
race, ethnicity and gender influence this disparity. The gender digital
divide is still present in both the developed and developing countries. The
generally negative perceptions of women regarding the utilisation of ICTs
prevent them from participating and benefitting in the new information
society. The aim of this study is to investigate the effects of gender
difference on internet users' beliefs and usage behaviours. The results
revealed that men's assessments of ease of use, usage enjoyment and
Behavioural Control (BC) were higher than that of women's. The findings of
this study suggest that researchers and practitioners should take into
consideration gender differences during the development, validation,
implementation and control stages of internet acceptance theories,
e-commerce practices and distance education alternatives.
  	 Keywords:  gender differences; female perceptions; internet
utilisation; behavioural control; usage enjoyment; adoption intentions;
technology acceptance; Turkey; ICT acceptance; usage behaviour; user
perceptions; user beliefs; ease of use; e-commerce; electronic commerce;
women users.
  	 DOI:  10.1504/IJKL.2007.016834

I think this conference might interest some people on the list.  Would love to
hear about it if you go.

I just ordered Patti Anklam's book which is on the conference agenda (GREAT
cover, Patti!  :-)

John
*
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* Foundations of CoPs workshop starts Jan 28: CPsquare.org/edu/foundations
* “We are what we eat, and we think what we practice.� -- Geoffrey Bowker


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Nice to hear from you again.

pete

========================================
  Message Received: Jan 26 2008, 06:32 AM
  From: "Rosanna Tarsiero" <rosanna@...>
  To: onlinefacilitation@yahoogroups.com, com-prac@yahoogroups.com
  Cc:
  Subject: [cp] Gender differences in the acceptance of information and
communication technologies: the case of internet usage

  [Two observations:
  (1) the article explains why so often in these lists women tend to be
  negative toward the possibility of communicating through ICT
  (2) as usual, I tend to react like a male -- whatever it means *giggle*

  Rosanna Tarsiero, CKM]

  Title:  Gender differences in the acceptance of information and
  communication technologies: the case of internet usage

  Author:  Hakan Celik, Isa Ipcioglu   Email author(s)

  Address:  Department of Business Administration, Dumlupinar
  University, Bilecik 11100, Turkey. ' Department of Business Administration,
  Dumlupinar University, Bilecik 11100, Turkey

  Journal:  International Journal of Knowledge and Learning 2007 - Vol.
  3, No.6  pp. 576 - 591
   	 Abstract:  Information and Communication Technologies (ICTs)
  are not evenly accessible for all the individuals in different regions or
  countries. Several factors including income, education, literacy levels,
  race, ethnicity and gender influence this disparity. The gender digital
  divide is still present in both the developed and developing countries. The
  generally negative perceptions of women regarding the utilisation of ICTs
  prevent them from participating and benefitting in the new information
  society. The aim of this study is to investigate the effects of gender
  difference on internet users' beliefs and usage behaviours. The results
  revealed that men's assessments of ease of use, usage enjoyment and
  Behavioural Control (BC) were higher than that of women's. The findings of
  this study suggest that researchers and practitioners should take into
  consideration gender differences during the development, validation,
  implementation and control stages of internet acceptance theories,
  e-commerce practices and distance education alternatives.
   	 Keywords:  gender differences; female perceptions; internet
  utilisation; behavioural control; usage enjoyment; adoption intentions;
  technology acceptance; Turkey; ICT acceptance; usage behaviour; user
  perceptions; user beliefs; ease of use; e-commerce; electronic commerce;
  women users.
   	 DOI:  10.1504/IJKL.2007.016834

I just can't help sharing this :-).

A group of users are debating improvements to the Macuarium CoP system. One of
the proposals is a synthetic version of our long scrolls of rules and FAQs.
We're adopting it.

One of the versions proposed follows... We won't use it (we're too staid) but I
think it says a lot about CoPs and our community. In a rather memorable way:

1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area, restricted to
veteran trusted users].
5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt previuously use
the seaches.
6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.

The author's looking for three more :-).

Best regards,

Miguel

PS - If interested, you can see the Spanish version here:
http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/normas-vivas-para-una-comunidad-de-prac\
tica/ and the debate thread (harsh at times :-)) here:
http://www.macuarium.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=246053&st=150


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(Sorry about the previous message :-), forgot to update the Subject field).

-------------------------------------

I just can't help sharing this :-).

A group of users are debating improvements to the Macuarium CoP system. One of
the proposals is a synthetic version of our long scrolls of rules and FAQs.
We're adopting it.

One of the versions proposed follows... We won't use it (we're too staid) but I
think it says a lot about CoPs and our community. In a rather memorable way:

1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area, restricted to
veteran trusted users].
5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt previuously use
the seaches.
6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.

The author's looking for three more :-).

Best regards,

Miguel

PS - If interested, you can see the Spanish version here:
http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/normas-vivas-para-una-comunidad-de-prac\
tica/ and the debate thread (harsh at times :-)) here:
http://www.macuarium.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=246053&st=150


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Miguel,

I left a comment on your blog suggesting that

* every once in a while write up a summary of what you've learned.

Maybe it's too obvious.  That's what you're doing with your Seven
commandments.  Could be that coming up with the commandments is more
important than following them.  :-)

John
*
* John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
* Portland, Oregon, USA  http://www.learningAlliances.net
* Foundations of CoPs workshop starts Jan 28: CPsquare.org/edu/foundations
* “We are what we eat, and we think what we practice.” -- Geoffrey Bowker
-----Original Message-----
From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cornejo Castro, Miguel
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:44 AM
To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cp] Abridged CoP rules proposal

(Sorry about the previous message :-), forgot to update the Subject field).

-------------------------------------

I just can't help sharing this :-).

A group of users are debating improvements to the Macuarium CoP system. One
of the proposals is a synthetic version of our long scrolls of rules and
FAQs. We're adopting it.

One of the versions proposed follows... We won't use it (we're too staid)
but I think it says a lot about CoPs and our community. In a rather
memorable way:

1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area, restricted to
veteran trusted users].
5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt previuously
use the seaches.
6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.

The author's looking for three more :-).

Best regards,

Miguel

PS - If interested, you can see the Spanish version here:
http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/normas-vivas-para-una-comunidad-de-
practica/ and the debate thread (harsh at times :-)) here:
http://www.macuarium.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=246053&st=150


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>
> 1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
> 2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
> 3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
> 4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area,
restricted to veteran trusted users].
> 5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt
previuously use the seaches.
> 6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
> 7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.
>
> The author's looking for three more :-).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Miguel
>

How about

8. Thou shalt seek out and work with other community members on
projects that will benefit the community

Cheers

Shawn

Hi Naugib,

Here is a good whitepaper on the stages of CoPs as experienced at IBM.

http://www-tr.watson.ibm.com/journal/sj/404/gongla.pdf

Gian...

--- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, Naguib <pial007@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am looking into a Maturity model for CoPs- how a CoP evolves over
time.  I have a 3-stage CoP maturity with me now, which starts with
Initiating, then Running/Operating and the last Nurturing CoPs.
Wengner and McDermott defined the following stages of CoP development-
Potential, Coalescing, Maturing, Active and Dispersing.
>
>   Can anyone give me some ideas on this CoP maturity, I need to come
up with a list of activities that the members need to perform in the
various stages of the CoP. The members of our CoPs are mostly
engineers and developing lessons learnt and best practices are the
major goals of the CoPs here.
>
>   Thanks.
>   Naguib
>
>
>   Blog: KM Malaysia Community Blog
>   www.kmtalk.net/blog
>
>
>
>
> VISIT http://www.kmtalk.net
> - focusing knowledge management efforts in Malaysia.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

At 02:05 AM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
> > 1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
> > 2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
> > 3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
> > 4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area,
>restricted to veteran trusted users].
> > 5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt
>previuously use the seaches.
> > 6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
> > 7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.
>8. Thou shalt seek out and work with other community members on
>projects that will benefit the community

9. Though shalt assume good intent on the part of others and not take
yourself too freeking seriously!

(My other option is always "thou shalt share thy chocolate")

Nancy


Nancy White | Full Circle Associates | Connecting communities online
nancyw@... | +1 206 517 4754 | GMT - 8 |skype - choconancy |
Twitter NancyWhite
http://www.fullcirc.com/


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Wait a minute, it's more important to share red wine!

:-)

John
*
* John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
* Portland, Oregon, USA  http://www.learningAlliances.net
* Foundations of CoPs workshop starts Jan 28: CPsquare.org/edu/foundations
* “We are what we eat, and we think what we practice.” -- Geoffrey Bowker
-----Original Message-----
From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy White
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:53 PM
To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cp] Re:CoP Maturity Model-- Wonder if anyone has considered in
relation to Face

At 02:05 AM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
> > 1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
> > 2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
> > 3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
> > 4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area,
>restricted to veteran trusted users].
> > 5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt
>previuously use the seaches.
> > 6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
> > 7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.
>8. Thou shalt seek out and work with other community members on
>projects that will benefit the community

9. Though shalt assume good intent on the part of others and not take
yourself too freeking seriously!

(My other option is always "thou shalt share thy chocolate")

Nancy


Nancy White | Full Circle Associates | Connecting communities online
nancyw@... | +1 206 517 4754 | GMT - 8 |skype - choconancy |
Twitter NancyWhite
http://www.fullcirc.com/

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:-) Any of the three makes a really good candidate :-).

And, if I remember correctly, there was a "summing up commandment", so there's a
good fit for the sharing part too. I'll have it proposed to the community.



-----Mensaje original-----
De: com-prac@yahoogroups.com en nombre de John D. Smith
Enviado el: vie 01/02/2008 3:05
Para: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: RE: [cp] Re:CoP Maturity Model-- Wonder if anyone has  considered in
relation to Face

Wait a minute, it's more important to share red wine!

:-)

John
*
* John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
* Portland, Oregon, USA  http://www.learningAlliances.net
* Foundations of CoPs workshop starts Jan 28: CPsquare.org/edu/foundations
* "We are what we eat, and we think what we practice." -- Geoffrey Bowker
-----Original Message-----
From: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy White
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:53 PM
To: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cp] Re:CoP Maturity Model-- Wonder if anyone has considered in
relation to Face

At 02:05 AM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
> > 1. Thou shalt talk of practice issues above any other thing.
> > 2. Thou shalt not talk politics or religion.
> > 3. Thou shalt not support piracy.
> > 4. Thou shalt not buy nor sell outside of [the specific area,
>restricted to veteran trusted users].
> > 5. Thou shalt not open repeat threads in vain, and thou shalt
>previuously use the seaches.
> > 6. Thou shalt write correctly, calmly and with common sense.
> > 7. Thou shalt not forfeit reading the unabridged FAQs.
>8. Thou shalt seek out and work with other community members on
>projects that will benefit the community

9. Though shalt assume good intent on the part of others and not take
yourself too freeking seriously!

(My other option is always "thou shalt share thy chocolate")

Nancy



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After all the good spirit and fun of the "Cecil B DeMille version" of basic
community rules, I think some may enjoy a rawer fare.

A while ago we debated whether a user had the (moral) right to withdraw messages
that were part of community threads, conversations and objects. I really
appreciated the opinions given.

The question was not hypothethical; there was one such situation going on, and
it got definitely worse. Someone here suggested that kind of conversation
maiming could be used as coercion by egotistic users... and it was, in a very
convoluted way.

In a nutshell, the community's reaction (and I don't mean the facilitators)
proved that they held the deletion as legitimate but unthinkable, and the
hostage-taking as unacceptable. For what it may be worth, a badly written
account is here:
http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/author-vs-community-ii-hostage-taking-a\
nd-reaction/

It was one of those times when you ride along the situation instead of leading
it, consulting at every turn and acquiescing with the common will rather than
shaping it, and I've definitely learnt a lot. I wouldn't have acted in the same
way without the previous conversation with list members.

Thanks and best regards,

Miguel


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Here are a couple more...

8. Thou shalt own thine own words, and yea, verily, shall let others do
likewise.
9. Thou shalt assume that others' posts are made with good will, even when
tempted to think otherwise.


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You are invited to submit a proposal for a chapter in the forthcoming
book:

The Handbook for Working with Difficult Groups:
How They Are Difficult, Why They Are Difficult, What You Can Do.

This will be the third in the series of handbooks published by
Jossey-Bass/ Wiley and the International Association of Facilitators,
Sandor P. Schuman, Editor. Chapter proposals are due March 15, 2008.

Groups enable us to accomplish goals unattainable by individuals
working alone. Groups can be extremely effective, and also they can be
difficult to work with. By examining groups and their difficulties we
can better understand (1) how they are difficult (the observable
phenomena that present the difficulty) and (2) why they are difficult
(the underlying causes of the difficulty). Building on that
understanding, we can suggest (3) what we can do as group
facilitators, leaders, and members to help the group work more
effectively.

For the complete Call for Chapters and Reviewers, Chapter Proposal
Form,  Chapter 1, and related information, visit www.difficultgroups.com.

Well, it's certainly a complex and salutary tale, Miguel.
Thanks for sharing it with us.

Bill Williams

Thou shalt maintain sacrosanct the mature-reflection period between
heated response penning and send button clicking.

Bill Williams

Thank you for your interest :-).

The theory and the analysis are quite nice, but it's sometimes interesting to
see up close what it means when "a node of the network feels unaffiliated and
departs, creating a conflict of association", as some could put it, or the
practical implications of some decisions about the ownership of the content and
associated rights. Managing this one was a bit unnerving, but it seems to have
subsided without trace.

We'll see the real impact (if any) in 25 days, during the annual face-to-face
anniversary meeting. Up to now everything is proceeding smoothly.



-----Mensaje original-----
De: com-prac@yahoogroups.com en nombre de Bill Williams
Enviado el: dom 03/02/2008 16:36
Para: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [cp] Scare story for the weekend

Well, it's certainly a complex and salutary tale, Miguel.
Thanks for sharing it with us.

Bill Williams




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Hi Bill,

the second one is seconded :-), indeed there's a similar proposal in the list
(we've been mixing threads, I'm afraid).

Could you please explain a bit what you mean with the first? I'm not a native
speaker and have a bit of difficulty with that expression: it seems it could
have several meanings.

Thanks and best regards,

Miguel

-----Mensaje original-----
De: com-prac@yahoogroups.com en nombre de Bill Bruck
Enviado el: vie 01/02/2008 9:41
Para: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [cp] Re: Abridged CoP rules proposal

Here are a couple more...

8. Thou shalt own thine own words, and yea, verily, shall let others do
likewise.
9. Thou shalt assume that others' posts are made with good will, even when
tempted to think otherwise.


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Well, FWIW, over on the trdev list, the moderators routinely remove
posts that they don't want as part of history.  This typically happens
when someone who isn't moderated posts something that the moderators
view as inconsistent with list guidelines.  On the one hand, that kind
of censorship destroys the possibility for any posting that is
unacceptable to the moderators; on the other, the rules are pretty
clear and the moderators seem fair enough in their enforcement.  As a
consequence, I'm confident that the list postings and archives meet
with the moderators' approval.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
nickols@...

--- In com-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Cornejo Castro, Miguel"
<miguel.cornejo@...> wrote:
>
> After all the good spirit and fun of the "Cecil B DeMille version"
of basic community rules, I think some may enjoy a rawer fare.
>
> A while ago we debated whether a user had the (moral) right to
withdraw messages that were part of community threads, conversations
and objects. I really appreciated the opinions given.
>
> The question was not hypothethical; there was one such situation
going on, and it got definitely worse. Someone here suggested that
kind of conversation maiming could be used as coercion by egotistic
users... and it was, in a very convoluted way.
>
> In a nutshell, the community's reaction (and I don't mean the
facilitators) proved that they held the deletion as legitimate but
unthinkable, and the hostage-taking as unacceptable. For what it may
be worth, a badly written account is here:
http://emekaeme.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/author-vs-community-ii-hostage-taking-a\
nd-reaction/
>
> It was one of those times when you ride along the situation instead
of leading it, consulting at every turn and acquiescing with the
common will rather than shaping it, and I've definitely learnt a lot.
I wouldn't have acted in the same way without the previous
conversation with list members.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Miguel
>
>
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>

Miguel -

You asked me to explain 8. Thou shalt own thine own words, and yea, verily,
shall let others do
likewise.

This was a (silly) attempt to put a simple concept into biblical English.
The way it's usually expressed is simpler: You own your own words, and often
abbreviated YOYOW.

It simply means that others may not use your words without attribution nor
express them as if they were their own. In online communities, it often has
the further implication that before posting your words elsewhere, they need
to ask your permission - though different online communities have different
norms around this latter point.


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Thanks, Bill. Yes, that fits. I thought maybe there were some other
implications in "owning" your own words (in the line of being
responsible for them).

I'll pass it on to the group too :-).


________________________________

De: com-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:com-prac@yahoogroups.com] En nombre
de Bill Bruck
Enviado el: martes, 05 de febrero de 2008 11:20
Para: com-prac@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [cp] Re: Abridged CoP rules proposal



Miguel -

You asked me to explain 8. Thou shalt own thine own words, and yea,
verily,
shall let others do
likewise.

This was a (silly) attempt to put a simple concept into biblical
English.
The way it's usually expressed is simpler: You own your own words, and
often
abbreviated YOYOW.

It simply means that others may not use your words without attribution
nor
express them as if they were their own. In online communities, it often
has
the further implication that before posting your words elsewhere, they
need
to ask your permission - though different online communities have
different
norms around this latter point.

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