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#113875 From: Paul Esterle <pesterle@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:21 am
Subject: Re: CYOA - Seismic shift in Ego Alley 		pesterle
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Clint, The move is scheduled for January 2010, you should be fine,
except for that 6" of white stuff!

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
"Capt'n Pauley's Place"
The Virtual Boatyard
www.thevirtualboatyard.com


cdt3958 wrote:
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> When are they closing for the move? I was planning on picking up a new
> tiller this weekend.
>
> Clint
> C-28
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#113874 From: "eduffee@..." <eduffee@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Re: CYOA - Boat review 		eduffee...
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Thanks for the link to Sailnet.  I checked Good Old boats but nothing.  I have
in my mind that Practical Sailor did one but haven't been able to find anything
yet.  Still looking.

Thanks

Ed


--- In columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...> wrote:
>
> Try Sailnet.com, a really good source for reviews but its not the bible.
> Here's one I just found:
>
>
>
> http://www.sailnet.com/boatchk/showproduct.php?product=450
> <http://www.sailnet.com/boatchk/showproduct.php?product=450&sort=2&cat=140&p
> age=1> &sort=2&cat=140&page=1
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> eduffee@...
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:59 PM
> To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: CYOA - Boat review
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Anyone know where I can find a boat review on the Columbia 31? I've been
> looking and have yet to find much info on the boat.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>

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#113873 From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:57 am
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		sophiaemilyelle
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Paul, they were only sandblasting my keel to remove rust spots.  I havent been up to see what they did, but keel is all they were supposed to do.
Oleg Edelman.

From: Paul Esterle <pesterle@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 3:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Sorry, too busy grinding out blisters on my 10.7...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboaty ard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@comcast. net>
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:26:59 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Hi Paul,

Took your advice, read 2 articles and he seems to agree with me. Furthermore (don’t get to use that word often), since Columbia’s don’t have a rep for getting blisters, it seems like the barrier coat is even less justified. Here’s a few quotes from Pascoe that seem to back me up.

“The  idea of barrier coating is to replace porous gel coat with a more water resistent material such as vinylester or epoxy resin. In theory, its a good idea; in reality it doesn't always work out that way, for the problem is WHAT you are applying that coating to, and whether the coating can be made thick enough to really keep the water out.”

And,

“So even if there were a totally effective, non-permeable coating, it would not solve the problem, for you can't prevent the absorption of water from the interior of the hull, or around through hull fittings and so on.”

 

I think there are a lot of boat bucks tied up in the barrier coat business and professionals in the boating industry don’t want to blow the whistle. So I’m still thinking it’s basically snake oil; one of those “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” things. This is my theory based only on my experience of not putting barrier coats on several (actually 2) boats and never having a problem.

 

Then again, Paul, if I had a boat as nice as a 10.7, I might re-think this.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

 

From: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com [mailto:columbiasai lingyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:57 PM
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboaty ard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@comcast. net>
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com [mailto:columbiasai lingyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy. com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy. com
BLOG: http://theostrichki ller.blogspot. com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@ yahoo.com>
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 



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#113872 From: Kbjmjrb@...
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		cchl74
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That is correct. Be careful how you load the extra stuff. I know that some boats are very unstable on a trailer with the outboard left on the transom. Try to keep the heavy stuff near the trailer axle.


      Bruce K
      Challenger # 74, "Ouroboros"
      Los Lunas, NM






Wow.  OK then my boat data of 1000 ballast (in the iron keel) is PART OF the 2200.....  not in addition to....and that's where I start adding engine fuel passengers foodstuffs beverage, most of which doesn't go on the trailer.  And that's where my primary interest in total weight lies, for what little trailering I do. 

David
Bremerton, WA
1968 C-22 #1109
"Eaglet"


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#113871 From: David Morgan <sapper69k@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:27 am
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		sapper69k
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Wow.  OK then my boat data of 1000 ballast (in the iron keel) is PART OF the 2200.....  not in addition to....and that's where I start adding engine fuel passengers foodstuffs beverage, most of which doesn't go on the trailer.  And that's where my primary interest in total weight lies, for what little trailering I do. 
 
David
Bremerton, WA
1968 C-22 #1109
"Eaglet"


From: "Kbjmjrb@..." <Kbjmjrb@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 3:30:43 PM
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

Displacement is generally accepted as the total weight of the boat, including ballast. It comes from how much water is "displaced" by the ship or boat when floating. Sales brochures generally consider the displacement as the weight of the boat as supplied by the manufacturer. Thus it includes "standard" equipment like cushions, stoves, one set of sails, and an inboard engine if listed as part of the bare bones package. The weight of out board engines, fuel, crew, things like that are not included. The navy usually figures the displacement of a ship includes a full crew, full load of stores, that sort of thing.


     Bruce K
     Challenger # 74, "Ouroboros"
     Los Lunas, NM






Pretty sure displacement = weight.

 

Bob

 



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#113870 From: Kbjmjrb@...
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		cchl74
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Displacement is generally accepted as the total weight of the boat, including ballast. It comes from how much water is "displaced" by the ship or boat when floating. Sales brochures generally consider the displacement as the weight of the boat as supplied by the manufacturer. Thus it includes "standard" equipment like cushions, stoves, one set of sails, and an inboard engine if listed as part of the bare bones package. The weight of out board engines, fuel, crew, things like that are not included. The navy usually figures the displacement of a ship includes a full crew, full load of stores, that sort of thing.


     Bruce K
     Challenger # 74, "Ouroboros"
     Los Lunas, NM





Pretty sure displacement = weight.

 

Bob

 

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#113869 From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:09 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - Boat review 		emi01ly
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Try Sailnet.com, a really good source for reviews but its not the bible. Here’s one I just found:

 

http://www.sailnet.com/boatchk/showproduct.php?product=450&sort=2&cat=140&page=1

Bob

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eduffee@...
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:59 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CYOA - Boat review

 

 

Hello,

Anyone know where I can find a boat review on the Columbia 31? I've been looking and have yet to find much info on the boat.

Thanks

Ed


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#113868 From: Daniel Grant <danielgrant@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:02 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - Boat review 		ogeechee2003
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Check with This Old Boat an see if they did one. Dan
 
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:59:12 +0000
Subject: CYOA - Boat review

 
Hello,

Anyone know where I can find a boat review on the Columbia 31? I've been looking and have yet to find much info on the boat.

Thanks

Ed



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#113867 From: "eduffee@..." <eduffee@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:59 pm
Subject: Boat review 		eduffee...
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Hello,

Anyone know where I can find a boat review on the Columbia 31?  I've been
looking and have yet to find much info on the boat.

Thanks

Ed

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#113866 From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:00 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		emi01ly
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Pretty sure displacement = weight.

 

Bob

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Morgan
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:43 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

 

I think my 22 is a nominal 3000 lbs..... 1000 ballast (keel) and 2200 displacement...... ( Experts how does "displacement relate to weight exactly?  does it include carry capacity? )

 

Anyhow, it came with a 10hp that I use in the cockpit well.  It moves the boat about 5.5 / 6 knots.  I recently moved it from Bremerton to Everett using a 6hp that I acquired as a kicker for my little fishing stinkpot.  Just 'cause I could.  Design says it's rated for 8hp.  with the 10 I'm not using "full" throttle at indicated speeds (doesn't seem to help if I do.... hull speed?)  Using the 6hp I got to 5.5 and maintained speed and control for the trip (about 9 hours).  I will use the 10 'cause it's 4 cycle and fits (barely) and works.  Just wanted to compare the two. 
 

David
Bremerton, WA
1968 C-22 #1109
"Eaglet"

 

 

From: Bob <bobday66@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:04:44 AM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????

 


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#113865 From: David Morgan <sapper69k@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		sapper69k
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I think my 22 is a nominal 3000 lbs..... 1000 ballast (keel) and 2200 displacement...... ( Experts how does "displacement relate to weight exactly?  does it include carry capacity? )
 
Anyhow, it came with a 10hp that I use in the cockpit well.  It moves the boat about 5.5 / 6 knots.  I recently moved it from Bremerton to Everett using a 6hp that I acquired as a kicker for my little fishing stinkpot.  Just 'cause I could.  Design says it's rated for 8hp.  with the 10 I'm not using "full" throttle at indicated speeds (doesn't seem to help if I do.... hull speed?)  Using the 6hp I got to 5.5 and maintained speed and control for the trip (about 9 hours).  I will use the 10 'cause it's 4 cycle and fits (barely) and works.  Just wanted to compare the two. 
 
David
Bremerton, WA
1968 C-22 #1109
"Eaglet"


From: Bob <bobday66@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:04:44 AM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????



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#113864 From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:15 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		emi01ly
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Enjoy it, no boat work going on around Boston today, 17 degrees w/ wind chill coming in at 3.

Bob

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:42 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Sorry, too busy grinding out blisters on my 10.7...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:26:59 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Hi Paul,

Took your advice, read 2 articles and he seems to agree with me. Furthermore (don’t get to use that word often), since Columbia’s don’t have a rep for getting blisters, it seems like the barrier coat is even less justified. Here’s a few quotes from Pascoe that seem to back me up.

“The  idea of barrier coating is to replace porous gel coat with a more water resistent material such as vinylester or epoxy resin. In theory, its a good idea; in reality it doesn't always work out that way, for the problem is WHAT you are applying that coating to, and whether the coating can be made thick enough to really keep the water out.”

And,

“So even if there were a totally effective, non-permeable coating, it would not solve the problem, for you can't prevent the absorption of water from the interior of the hull, or around through hull fittings and so on.”

 

I think there are a lot of boat bucks tied up in the barrier coat business and professionals in the boating industry don’t want to blow the whistle. So I’m still thinking it’s basically snake oil; one of those “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” things. This is my theory based only on my experience of not putting barrier coats on several (actually 2) boats and never having a problem.

 

Then again, Paul, if I had a boat as nice as a 10.7, I might re-think this.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:57 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 


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#113863 From: Harry James <welshman@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		harryjak
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I use a a 6 HP Tohatsu on a Pearson Triton with a stock prop. (It should
have the next pitch lower but I am too cheap to buy it). 7000 lbs of
boat with a lot more wetted area than you have. Holds a steady 5 kts and
14 hrs on an overfilled 6 gal tank.

HJ

Bob wrote:
> well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up
original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad
shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!
>
> trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed,
first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken
crossmember.
> Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft,
this should be a fun repair!!
>
> She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold
& rust. all cushions are shot too.
> Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26
is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many
adventures to the texas coast & then some.
>
> Question:
> Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4
stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with
folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?
>
> I will post some pics too.
>
> Thnx again!
> Bob
> Hull # ????
>
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#113862 From: Harry James <welshman@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:40 pm
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Here you go with the best link on blisters that I know of, on Dave
Pascoe's site.

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/BuyingBlisterBoat.htm

HJ

Bob Burns wrote:
>
>
> This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or
> maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the
> argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating
> industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be
> encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting
> but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year
> old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just
> because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not
> waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is
> that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a
> chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which
> creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other
> way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It
> also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been
> barrier coated.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to
> deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred
> (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare
> glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good
> bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of
> this is only my humble opinion.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> C 8.3
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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#113861 From: Daniel Grant <danielgrant@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		ogeechee2003
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I have a 23 Coronado with a long shaft 9.9 Johnson. I used it in coastal waters and the motor was on the transom. I did not have the problem with the foot comig out of the water. Maybe my mount was lower and the foot longer. Dan
 
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:53:44 -0800
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 
That 8 HP 4-stroke will do fine, Bob.  But don't expect to be able to use it or any other outboard offshore very much.  A chop of over a foot or so will have the prop out of the water regularly.  So remember that the outboard is for getting into and out of your slip, and for use when you are becalmed.  It won't be much use in most other situations.
 
James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com


From: Bob <bobday66@yahoo.com>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:04:44 AM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????





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#113860 From: Daniel Grant <danielgrant@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:31 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		ogeechee2003
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The 8.7 has a hx of getting b;isters. I know several that had blisters that were large enough to peel and put on 1 or 2 layers of glass cloth and then barrier coats. There was a problem in the layering or jelcoat process on this model. Dan
 
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
From: bjburns@...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:26:59 -0500
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Hi Paul,

Took your advice, read 2 articles and he seems to agree with me. Furthermore (dont get to use that word often), since Columbias dont have a rep for getting blisters, it seems like the barrier coat is even less justified. Heres a few quotes from Pascoe that seem to back me up.

The  idea of barrier coating is to replace porous gel coat with a more water resistent material such as vinylester or epoxy resin. In theory, its a good idea; in reality it doesn't always work out that way, for the problem is WHAT you are applying that coating to, and whether the coating can be made thick enough to really keep the water out.

And,

So even if there were a totally effective, non-permeable coating, it would not solve the problem, for you can't prevent the absorption of water from the interior of the hull, or around through hull fittings and so on.

 

I think there are a lot of boat bucks tied up in the barrier coat business and professionals in the boating industry dont want to blow the whistle. So Im still thinking its basically snake oil; one of those pay no attention to the man behind the curtain things. This is my theory based only on my experience of not putting barrier coats on several (actually 2) boats and never having a problem.

 

Then again, Paul, if I had a boat as nice as a 10.7, I might re-think this.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:57 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@comcast.net>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, Ive always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but thats about it. Basically, I dont buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some dont. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after theyve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess Im inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think Ill just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@yahoo.com>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 



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#113859 From: "Bill Casnovsky" <bill@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		caz78746
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Bob, Welcome!
 
My 9.9 is located on the transom. It will bounce out of the water in a big chop. Works very well on Lake Travis. An 8 HP should be fine on the lake, not so fine on the coast unless it is mounded in your cockpit. Love to see your T26 sometime.
 
Bill Caz.
C26MK2, Banshee
Austin, TX.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????


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#113858 From: Just Me <mailinglistsaddy@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		fridayv
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Bob, I have a Bristol 24 with a dry weight of close to 6000 and I use a Honda 8hp 4 stroke and it pushes me along fine at hull speed at half throttle. I am in Lake Erie and not coastal waters so I'm not sure if that would make a difference. If I were you I'd look into an extra-extra long shaft. In Lake Erie it's tough to keep the prop in the water with an XL long shaft motor. If I ever had to replace it I'd look into extra-extra long shaft. Keep in mind our waves are quite literally on top of one another. You're not off one before you start another and they can be pretty high for lake sailing.

Renee

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Bob <bobday66@...> wrote:
well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????



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#113857 From: Paul Esterle <pesterle@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		pesterle
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Sorry, too busy grinding out blisters on my 10.7...

Paul Esterle
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Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:26:59 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Hi Paul,

Took your advice, read 2 articles and he seems to agree with me. Furthermore (don’t get to use that word often), since Columbia’s don’t have a rep for getting blisters, it seems like the barrier coat is even less justified. Here’s a few quotes from Pascoe that seem to back me up.

“The  idea of barrier coating is to replace porous gel coat with a more water resistent material such as vinylester or epoxy resin. In theory, its a good idea; in reality it doesn't always work out that way, for the problem is WHAT you are applying that coating to, and whether the coating can be made thick enough to really keep the water out.”

And,

“So even if there were a totally effective, non-permeable coating, it would not solve the problem, for you can't prevent the absorption of water from the interior of the hull, or around through hull fittings and so on.”

 

I think there are a lot of boat bucks tied up in the barrier coat business and professionals in the boating industry don’t want to blow the whistle. So I’m still thinking it’s basically snake oil; one of those “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” things. This is my theory based only on my experience of not putting barrier coats on several (actually 2) boats and never having a problem.

 

Then again, Paul, if I had a boat as nice as a 10.7, I might re-think this.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:57 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 


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#113856 From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:26 pm
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		emi01ly
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Hi Paul,

Took your advice, read 2 articles and he seems to agree with me. Furthermore (don’t get to use that word often), since Columbia’s don’t have a rep for getting blisters, it seems like the barrier coat is even less justified. Here’s a few quotes from Pascoe that seem to back me up.

“The  idea of barrier coating is to replace porous gel coat with a more water resistent material such as vinylester or epoxy resin. In theory, its a good idea; in reality it doesn't always work out that way, for the problem is WHAT you are applying that coating to, and whether the coating can be made thick enough to really keep the water out.”

And,

“So even if there were a totally effective, non-permeable coating, it would not solve the problem, for you can't prevent the absorption of water from the interior of the hull, or around through hull fittings and so on.”

 

I think there are a lot of boat bucks tied up in the barrier coat business and professionals in the boating industry don’t want to blow the whistle. So I’m still thinking it’s basically snake oil; one of those “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” things. This is my theory based only on my experience of not putting barrier coats on several (actually 2) boats and never having a problem.

 

Then again, Paul, if I had a boat as nice as a 10.7, I might re-think this.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Esterle
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:57 PM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
Freelance Boating Writer
Capt'n Pauley's Virtual Boatyard
Boat advice for the nautically addicted
www.thevirtualboatyard.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Burns" <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 


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#113855 From: BRIAN MULLIGAN <brian.mulligan@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:24 pm
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Bob,
 
8hp should be plenty.  I have a heavier boat then that and use a 6 hp on Lake Travis.  Sure, I know it is a lake but You oughta be ok on the coast.  I live near Austin too.. a few miles out but go there all the time.  I'd like to see your boat some time. 
 
Brian Mulligan

From: Bob <bobday66@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:04:44 PM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????


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#113854 From: Just Me <mailinglistsaddy@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		fridayv
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I'm following this topic with interest. My local shop (don't have a yard per say) recommends a barrier coat to the tune of $2500. We had the boat sanded and repainted in 07 (bottom paint, Interlux). In all honesty this would break my boat budget for a year and keep it on the hard doing this. I'm really struggling with this so please keep the comments coming. I'm in fresh water if it matters.
Renee

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Jim Muri <irumrj@...> wrote:


Oh, boy! Yes, this topic is going to generate some emails.

I have a friend whose cruising Cal 35, made in 1974, has thousands of blisters. They are all very small, the size of raindrops. He discovered this when he had the yard remove all the old bottom paint. They are in a pattern which makes very clear that the crew that applied the gelcoat did so with rollers or brushes that were - gasp! - moist with water!

Now, his boat is 35 years old, has been in salt water that whole time. There are no large blisters, despite his fiberglass bottom being protected all these years with nothing more substantial than ordinary hard bottom paint. On the hard his hull does not weep absorbed water. When faced with what to do about the thousands of blisters, he consulted his pocket book and common sense and decided to simply do a quick sand to smooth the blisters, then repaint with a quality hard bottom paint - two coats. He did this last summer and plans to pull the boat again next summer to see how that approach works. And then probably apply a couple more coats, just for insurance. After that, he says, if the bottom was fine after that year, it'll be back to his normal every three year schedule.

The yard manager said that is exactly what he would have done as well.
James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com


From: Bob Burns <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 8:48:31 AM
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, Ive always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but thats about it. Basically, I dont buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some dont. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after theyve been barrier coated.

So I guess Im inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think Ill just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

Bob

C 8.3

From: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com [mailto:columbiasai lingyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri


Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy. com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy. com
BLOG: http://theostrichki ller.blogspot. com

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oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@ yahoo.com>

To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface andput barrier coating on. What exactly do they do for prep? I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it.What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome. (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.






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#113853 From: Jim Muri <irumrj@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:55 pm
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Ha!

You won't need any fancy colors or such to be able to pick a Columbia 45 out of a crowd of those other vessels, Jim.
 
James R. Muri

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From: "lookoutnw@..." <lookoutnw@...>
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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:22:06 AM
Subject: Re: CYOA - Anchor riding sail & EBAY

 

I should receive my 9.5 oz Sunbrella 'Linen' color cloth in the next 2 days.  9 yds, delivered, $48.  I need 5.5 yards to do my Curtains, the rest will be my riding sail.  I am thinking of getting some RED, Blue, and blck cloth too.  I will make a C45 logo on the sail.  That way I'll be ablt to tell where my boat is in the anchorage of Catalinas, Hunters, Bendytoes, and such...





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#113852 From: Jim Muri <irumrj@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!! 		irumrj
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That 8 HP 4-stroke will do fine, Bob.  But don't expect to be able to use it or any other outboard offshore very much.  A chop of over a foot or so will have the prop out of the water regularly.  So remember that the outboard is for getting into and out of your slip, and for use when you are becalmed.  It won't be much use in most other situations.
 
James R. Muri

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BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com


From: Bob <bobday66@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:04:44 AM
Subject: CYOA - I am Columbia Family Now!!

 

well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft, this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold & rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26 is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4 stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????



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#113851 From: Jim Muri <irumrj@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		irumrj
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Oh, boy!  Yes, this topic is going to generate some emails.  

I have a friend whose cruising Cal 35, made in 1974, has thousands of blisters.  They are all very small, the size of raindrops.  He discovered this when he had the yard remove all the old bottom paint.  They are in a pattern which makes very clear that the crew that applied the gelcoat did so with rollers or brushes that were - gasp! - moist with water!

Now, his boat is 35 years old, has been in salt water that whole time.  There are no large blisters, despite his fiberglass bottom being protected all these years with nothing more substantial than ordinary hard bottom paint.  On the hard his hull does not weep absorbed water.  When faced with what to do about the thousands of blisters, he consulted his pocket book and common sense and decided to simply do a quick sand to smooth the blisters, then repaint with a quality hard bottom paint - two coats.  He did this last summer and plans to pull the boat again next summer to see how that approach works.  And then probably apply a couple more coats, just for insurance.  After that, he says, if the bottom was fine after that year, it'll be back to his normal every three year schedule.

The yard manager said that is exactly what he would have done as well.
 
James R. Muri

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BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com


From: Bob Burns <bjburns@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 8:48:31 AM
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com [mailto:columbiasai lingyachts@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy. com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy. com
BLOG: http://theostrichki ller.blogspot. com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@ yahoo.com>
To: columbiasailingyach ts@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 



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#113850 From: lookoutnw@...
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - Anchor riding sail rides again 		lookoutnw
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Also read/saw that using 3M 77 spray is good



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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:15:49 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: CYOA - Anchor riding sail rides again

 

thanks. just getting that tip about the double sided tape was worth the time.
john b
s/v 1969 venture 21

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#113849 From: "Bob" <bobday66@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:04 pm
Subject: I am Columbia Family Now!! 		bobday66
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well bought a beat up old T-26 this weekend, 1975 model, on an old rusetd up
original EZ loader trailer. Right here in my home town Austin, TX. she is in bad
shape, hasnt been wet for 25 yrs!!

trailer has main cross memeber rusted & broken, tires shot, brakes siezed, first
step is to get her to my house (5 mile drive) and replace the broken
crossmember.
Then she needs to have the mast step fixed, the glass is delaminated and soft,
this should be a fun repair!!

She is really molded up inside & out but I can see her beauty beneath the mold &
rust. all cushions are shot too.
Thnx to you folks that talked me out of the ODay 25 I was lookin at. This T-26
is a solid boat & I am sure she will take me , my wife & 3 boys on many
adventures to the texas coast & then some.

Question:
Specs recommend 9.9 hp motor, anyone think I can get away with an 8 hp? a 4
stroke 8 hp would be great. the dry weight is 4400 lbs plus another 800 lbs with
folks and gear. so can an 8 hp push a 5200 boat?

I will post some pics too.

Thnx again!
Bob
Hull # ????

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#113848 From: Paul Esterle <pesterle@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel 		pesterle
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Take the time to google "David Pascoe barrier coating", read, then decide about blisters...

Paul Esterle
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To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:48:31 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: RE: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

This may be starting a debate on the scale of varnish vs. cetol or maybe even healthcare but personally, I’ve always thought that the argument for barrier coating is mostly hype by our friendly boating industry. I can understand why an iron or lead keel needs to be encapsulated in a good, solid epoxy covering to keep it from rusting but that’s about it. Basically, I don’t buy the idea that my 30 year old fiberglass hull is suddenly going to start absorbing water just because the paint has been removed. The old paint was certainly not waterproof. Also, my understanding of the whole blistering thing is that they are not caused my water penetrating the hull but by a chemical reaction within the fiberglass of the hull itself which creates the blisters which then get filled by the water, not the other way around. This explains why some boats blister and some don’t. It also explains why some boats get blisters even after they’ve been barrier coated.

 

So I guess I’m inviting someone to explain to me why it makes sense to deduct several hundred $$$ from my wallet and add several hundred (maybe) ### to my hull. When I eventually get the hull down to bare glass, some day in the distant future, I think I’ll just go with good bottom paint and put the $$$ saved toward boat toys. Of course all of this is only my humble opinion.

 

Bob

C 8.3

 

 

From: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Muri
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:44 AM
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

 

Unless your keel is wrapped in fiberglass, all you need to do to it is paint it with whatever bottom paint you plan to use for the rest of the boat.
 

James R. Muri

Novelist, Sailor
BUY: My e-Novels at http://blizzardguy.com/venture/
SITE: http://blizzardguy.com
BLOG: http://theostrichkiller.blogspot.com

 

 

From: oleg edelman <sophiaemilyelle@...>
To: columbiasailingyachts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:35:52 PM
Subject: CYOA - barrier coat on keel

 

Guys, i had my keel sand blasted and now they tell me it will cost about 1k to prep the surface and put barrier coating on.  What exactly do they do for prep?  I thought once i sand blasted the keel, i can just put VC 17 on it. What exactly is barrier coating, and can i do it myself if its not to damn complicated? Suggestions are aways welcome.  (ps. the sole in the cabin turned out real good, thanks to everybodys help).

Oleg Edelman

lake Erie.

 

 


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#113847 From: "cdt3958" <Conn24J@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - Seismic shift in Ego Alley 		cdt3958
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When are they closing for the move?  I was planning on picking up a new tiller
this weekend.

Clint
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#113846 From: lookoutnw@...
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: CYOA - Anchor riding sail & EBAY 		lookoutnw
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I should receive my 9.5 oz Sunbrella 'Linen' color cloth in the next 2 days.  9 yds, delivered, $48.  I need 5.5 yards to do my Curtains, the rest will be my riding sail.  I am thinking of getting some RED, Blue, and blck cloth too.  I will make a C45 logo on the sail.  That way I'll be ablt to tell where my boat is in the anchorage of Catalinas, Hunters, Bendytoes, and such...




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