Thanks for the info on the book, I do recall the title but didn't realise there
was anything in it regarding the review.

Thanks again!

--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, "wallacecollect"
<wallacecollect@...> wrote:
>
>
> The review is referred to in this book:
>
> Absent Minds: Intellectuals in Britain by Stefan Collini
>
> A Google search on:
>
> "AJ Ayer review of The Outsider"
>
> Gives an excerpt from the book on that very subject on
> http://books.co.uk/books <http://books.co.uk/books>
>
> General refs to the book;
>
>
> www.amazon.co.uk/Absent-Minds-Intellectuals.../0199291055
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Absent-Minds-Intellectuals.../0199291055>
>
> Book review by Dan L. LeMahieu of 'Absent Minds: Intellectuals in ...
> <http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html>
> 4 Jun 2009 ... 'Absent Minds: Intellectuals in Britain' by Stefan
> Collini, on 'Reviews in History', a free online journal of book reviews
> and articles, ...
> www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html
> <http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html>

Here's a link to a discussion about The Outsider and its relation to the
'Schizoid' personality.  Sadly the thread is closed but it's an interesting read
nonetheless...

http://www.schizoids.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1071&highlight=colin+wilson

The review is referred to in this book:

Absent Minds: Intellectuals in Britain by Stefan Collini

A Google search on:

"AJ Ayer review of The Outsider"

Gives an excerpt from the book on that very subject on
http://books.co.uk/books <http://books.co.uk/books>

General refs to the book;


www.amazon.co.uk/Absent-Minds-Intellectuals.../0199291055
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/Absent-Minds-Intellectuals.../0199291055>

Book review by Dan L. LeMahieu of 'Absent Minds: Intellectuals in ...
<http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html>
4 Jun 2009 ... 'Absent Minds: Intellectuals in Britain' by Stefan
Collini, on 'Reviews in History', a free online journal of book reviews
and articles, ...
www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html
<http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/paper/lemahieu.html>
--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, "cultofbyron"
<byron1701@...> wrote:
>
> Replying to my own posts...? Such an egoist!
>
> Anyway, for anyone that cares the AJ Ayers review is in Encounter
magazine's September 1956 issue. Now I just need to find a damn copy.
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Replying to my own posts...? Such an egoist!

Anyway, for anyone that cares the AJ Ayers review is in Encounter magazine's
September 1956 issue.  Now I just need to find a damn copy.

Hello there, in attempting to gain a wider understanding as to how The Outsider
cycle fits into the philosophical and cultural enquiries of the mid-20th
Century, particularly in Britain, I'm seeking this review.

I've found no reference to it online and was wondering if anyone here knows
where AJ Ayers' review, or any other by an 'established' member of the academic
community, was originally published?

Many thanks,
Byron

Hello.   I am   looking for a Colin Wilson quote re: Japan.

   He said something admiriingly about the intellectual
curiosity and open-mindedness of the Japanese
and
noted that more of his books are (or have continuously been)
in print   in Japan   than in the US or the UK.


  Could you help me?


   i think it was in a preface of   "Essential Colin Wilson"
or "The Outsider".

   maybe it was one of the articles in  "Essential Colin Wilson" .

    I just checked  these and other Colin Wilson  books I have, but
couldn't find the passage.


(If you respond to the group, I'd appreciate a copy by email.)

Thank you.   HH

Colin wrote a brilliant book 'On Music' [also called the Brandy of the
Damned'].

It has a whole chapter on Jazz.


--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, "michaelshankland"
<HenryTudor23@...> wrote:
>
> As someone who listens to John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Alice Coltrane a
> fair amount, was intrigued to hear the Colin Wilson appreciates Modern
> Jazz. Anyone know of interviews where he discusses this, articles that
> he has written on the subject?
> Best wishes to you all, Michael
>

hi sally,

was out so short reply, if you find the hermetic code? how is that?
the dna has the triple helix, sorry the double, but maybe it will become
triple:)
so is the scepter of hermes, form then on?
the pyramids both in mayan egyptian, but also soumerian the helical zighourats,
china ?
japan? greece?
helix
and heliac, heliakos means of the sun in greece,
so maybe htere is something here,
locations?

hermetic code, only some part of the dna ? are sequential and createsomething in
the human?

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:
From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to 
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:18 AM

















       I am experiencing some PC issues, and the 6th or 7th reload this month ...

so pardon me while I am a bit tardy in replying.



I do have an idea for your "levels" .. but I will give it some fleshing out

before I post it.



I am also moving farther through* The Hermetic Code in DNA *by Hayes .. and

I am going to have some issues with some of this ...  ... but we will cross

that bridge when we get there ... I think he has a couple of unsubstantiated

ideas ... (but of course so do I, when I really look at them).



```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ```

Has no one ever considered that the world civilizations went underground

during the ice ages? ..



I have read that there is room under Giza for 10,000 people to live

comfortably.  The South American peoples have tunnels from one side of the

continent almost to the other and all the way from Chile to the American

Southwest (the Apache and other Natives are well aware of them).



The Hopi are to rejoin the underground after 2012.



So I think Egypt did not spring forth fully developed, it just came forth

into the light of day (the book of coming forth by day?) ... as the Maya did

at Ollantaytambo! ..



Sally



On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, quantumchristianity <

quantumchristianity @yahoo.com> wrote:



>

>

> --- In colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>,

> Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... > wrote:

> >

> > Some thoughts and a reply:

> >

> >

> > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language

> > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:

> > A Pure Language:

> > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless

> > Truth.<<

>

> Pardon my intrusion into your discussion.

> I am a member under another ID, and had received your letter in a Digest

> when I checked my mail. Glancing through, this phrase caught my eye.

>

> The Ancient Wisdom is not lost.

> The Secret was to THINK IN PICTURES, NOT IN WORDS.

>

> THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE by L. Ron Hubbard

>

> 1. Beliefs; 2. Thoughts; 3. Words; 4. Physical Actions;

> 5. Postulates; 6. Total Understanding.

>

> WHEN HUMAN beings got used to the idea of communicating in symbols- which

> is images mashed together- like using snapshots to spell out things, instead

> of looking at what is IN the photos- the ability to look AT the pictures,

> and FOCUS upon their content became lost.

>

> GENESIS 11:3-9.

>

> 3. And they said one to another,

> "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly."

> And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

> 4. And they said,

> "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,

> whose top may reach unto Heaven;

> and let us make us a Name,

> lest we be scattered abroad upon the Face of the whole Earth."

> 5. And The LORD came down to see the City and the Tower,

> which the Children of Men builded.

> 6. And The LORD said,

> "Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language;

> and this they begin to do:

> and now nothing will be restrained from them,

> which they have imagined to do.

> 7. "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,

> that they may not understand one another's speech."

> 8. So The LORD scattered them abroad from thence

> upon the face of all the Earth: and they left off to build the City.

> 9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel;

> because the LORD did there confound the language of all the Earth:

> and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad

> upon the Face of all the Earth.

>

> ONCE HUMANS FELL FOR THAT, we were pretty much toast.

> The entire series of psychic powers became gradually inaccessible- but to

> the rare few who were born with the necessary energy levels, or who grew up

> under special, disciplined circumstances:

>

> THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

>

> 1. HEIGHTENED AWARENESS: Total Recall and Total Concentration.

>

> 2. *SEEING:* ESP ability to perceive anything that exists or existed,

> and analyze its life energy composition- thus proving the difference

> between true visions (which have the full range of Energy Signatures,) and

> false visions (which contain only the signature of the being who created

> it,) analogous to detecting the pixellation of faked photos.

>

> 3. ANGEL DEPLOYMENT: The Telekinetic ability to create an energy body, and

> act through it at remote distances.

>

> 4. TELEPORTATION: The ability to dematerialize one's body to pure Life

> Energy, and to rematerialize it elsewhere in the current Universe.

>

> 5. TRANSLATION: The ability to teleport into the "Higher Universes" (i.e.

> Heaven).

>

> 6-10. TRANSFIGURATION: The simultaneous triggering of all these abilities

> with a "jump" of one's energy content from 50% to 100% in an instant.

> "Cosmic Awareness." "Everlasting Life."

>

> THE ABILITY TO perceive the Mental Image pictures that make upon the

> Word-Symbolisms many of us grew used to using was lost, not merely in Remote

> Ancient Storybook times, but in each of our individual lives.

> Those who never lost the ability would grow up puzzled at the behavior of

> other people, presuming that all people think alike.

> An artist might never understand why everyone elsecan't just pick up a

> pencil or brush and DRAW WHAT THEY SAW. It comes as a stagering revelation

> to many that others CANNOT THINK IN IMAGES to save their lives! Lots of

> people grow RICH off exploiting this to their own advantage- lawfully and

> otherwise.

>

> The ability is not difficult to retrieve.

> However, considerable and disciplined mental stability is required, because

> there are serious factors involved (Mind Parasites), which take advantage if

> we relax our guard. (The Genesis account states that we did not lose this

> ability on our own- we had "help!")

>

> PSALM 119:97-104.

>

> 97. O how I love Thy Law!

> It is my meditation all the day.

> 98. Thou through Thy Commandments

> hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:

> for They are ever with me.

> 99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:

> for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.

> 100. I understand more than the Ancients,

> because I keep Thy Precepts.

> 101. I have refrained my feet

> from every Evil Way,

> that I might keep Thy Word.

> 102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:

> for Thou hast taught me.

> 103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!

> yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

> 104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:

> therefore I hate every False Way.

>

> "MEDITATION, " HERE, MEANS "to mutter," or "to murmur."

> a passage of scripture- not too long- is repeated over and over thousands

> of times a day. Over the course of months, if need be.

> To the point where one would rather be meditating than eating the most

> pleasant of delicacies. Eventually, the mind will be able to focus on the

> symbols involved, and break them down into their constituent images.

>

> This will lead to ESP perception of ALL possible knowledge associated with

> any words or symbols. This is why supposed "Primitive Tribes" did not bother

> with writing. Instead of depending on books about people- which could become

> mutilated or indecipherable- they left behind artificats, which could be

> used to divine the entire life histories of the person who made it, and the

> culture it came from.

>

>

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am experiencing some PC issues, and the 6th or 7th reload this month ...
so pardon me while I am a bit tardy in replying.

I do have an idea for your "levels" .. but I will give it some fleshing out
before I post it.

I am also moving farther through* The Hermetic Code in DNA *by Hayes .. and
I am going to have some issues with some of this ...  ... but we will cross
that bridge when we get there ... I think he has a couple of unsubstantiated
ideas ... (but of course so do I, when I really look at them).

``````````````````````````````````````````
Has no one ever considered that the world civilizations went underground
during the ice ages? ..

I have read that there is room under Giza for 10,000 people to live
comfortably.  The South American peoples have tunnels from one side of the
continent almost to the other and all the way from Chile to the American
Southwest (the Apache and other Natives are well aware of them).

The Hopi are to rejoin the underground after 2012.

So I think Egypt did not spring forth fully developed, it just came forth
into the light of day (the book of coming forth by day?) ... as the Maya did
at Ollantaytambo! ..


Sally


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, quantumchristianity <
quantumchristianity@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>,
> Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:
> >
> > Some thoughts and a reply:
> >
> >
> > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > A Pure Language:
> > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> > Truth.<<
>
> Pardon my intrusion into your discussion.
> I am a member under another ID, and had received your letter in a Digest
> when I checked my mail. Glancing through, this phrase caught my eye.
>
> The Ancient Wisdom is not lost.
> The Secret was to THINK IN PICTURES, NOT IN WORDS.
>
> THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE by L. Ron Hubbard
>
> 1. Beliefs; 2. Thoughts; 3. Words; 4. Physical Actions;
> 5. Postulates; 6. Total Understanding.
>
> WHEN HUMAN beings got used to the idea of communicating in symbols- which
> is images mashed together- like using snapshots to spell out things, instead
> of looking at what is IN the photos- the ability to look AT the pictures,
> and FOCUS upon their content became lost.
>
> GENESIS 11:3-9.
>
> 3. And they said one to another,
> "Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly."
> And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
> 4. And they said,
> "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,
> whose top may reach unto Heaven;
> and let us make us a Name,
> lest we be scattered abroad upon the Face of the whole Earth."
> 5. And The LORD came down to see the City and the Tower,
> which the Children of Men builded.
> 6. And The LORD said,
> "Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language;
> and this they begin to do:
> and now nothing will be restrained from them,
> which they have imagined to do.
> 7. "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,
> that they may not understand one another's speech."
> 8. So The LORD scattered them abroad from thence
> upon the face of all the Earth: and they left off to build the City.
> 9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel;
> because the LORD did there confound the language of all the Earth:
> and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad
> upon the Face of all the Earth.
>
> ONCE HUMANS FELL FOR THAT, we were pretty much toast.
> The entire series of psychic powers became gradually inaccessible- but to
> the rare few who were born with the necessary energy levels, or who grew up
> under special, disciplined circumstances:
>
> THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.
>
> 1. HEIGHTENED AWARENESS: Total Recall and Total Concentration.
>
> 2. *SEEING:* ESP ability to perceive anything that exists or existed,
> and analyze its life energy composition- thus proving the difference
> between true visions (which have the full range of Energy Signatures,) and
> false visions (which contain only the signature of the being who created
> it,) analogous to detecting the pixellation of faked photos.
>
> 3. ANGEL DEPLOYMENT: The Telekinetic ability to create an energy body, and
> act through it at remote distances.
>
> 4. TELEPORTATION: The ability to dematerialize one's body to pure Life
> Energy, and to rematerialize it elsewhere in the current Universe.
>
> 5. TRANSLATION: The ability to teleport into the "Higher Universes" (i.e.
> Heaven).
>
> 6-10. TRANSFIGURATION: The simultaneous triggering of all these abilities
> with a "jump" of one's energy content from 50% to 100% in an instant.
> "Cosmic Awareness." "Everlasting Life."
>
> THE ABILITY TO perceive the Mental Image pictures that make upon the
> Word-Symbolisms many of us grew used to using was lost, not merely in Remote
> Ancient Storybook times, but in each of our individual lives.
> Those who never lost the ability would grow up puzzled at the behavior of
> other people, presuming that all people think alike.
> An artist might never understand why everyone elsecan't just pick up a
> pencil or brush and DRAW WHAT THEY SAW. It comes as a stagering revelation
> to many that others CANNOT THINK IN IMAGES to save their lives! Lots of
> people grow RICH off exploiting this to their own advantage- lawfully and
> otherwise.
>
> The ability is not difficult to retrieve.
> However, considerable and disciplined mental stability is required, because
> there are serious factors involved (Mind Parasites), which take advantage if
> we relax our guard. (The Genesis account states that we did not lose this
> ability on our own- we had "help!")
>
> PSALM 119:97-104.
>
> 97. O how I love Thy Law!
> It is my meditation all the day.
> 98. Thou through Thy Commandments
> hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
> for They are ever with me.
> 99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
> for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
> 100. I understand more than the Ancients,
> because I keep Thy Precepts.
> 101. I have refrained my feet
> from every Evil Way,
> that I might keep Thy Word.
> 102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
> for Thou hast taught me.
> 103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
> yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
> 104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
> therefore I hate every False Way.
>
> "MEDITATION," HERE, MEANS "to mutter," or "to murmur."
> a passage of scripture- not too long- is repeated over and over thousands
> of times a day. Over the course of months, if need be.
> To the point where one would rather be meditating than eating the most
> pleasant of delicacies. Eventually, the mind will be able to focus on the
> symbols involved, and break them down into their constituent images.
>
> This will lead to ESP perception of ALL possible knowledge associated with
> any words or symbols. This is why supposed "Primitive Tribes" did not bother
> with writing. Instead of depending on books about people- which could become
> mutilated or indecipherable- they left behind artificats, which could be
> used to divine the entire life histories of the person who made it, and the
> culture it came from.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi to both,
 
have some objections aobut the whole deal, but it does not matter, usually we
move from reality
to find theory, and not the vice versa, as for the personal magic, sex, the
essenes and the empovirishment of society or the indvidual, the mayans, and
their projections, the many levels of spirit and in reality, I do not know.
 
The scientology only if one has that practical knowledge could write of such
things otherwise it remain science fiction.
Science is another matter, though it has no roots it gives results, and that is
how the game moves...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDqaMFHGEZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDj-IqKtkY&feature=related
did not see the second.
The image we have for love, deteriorates as it came into existence, why? I do
not know,
as for language, it is also a vagueness aspect with which we procceed, making
new formations, so it might not be clear communication but its vagueness can
create fantasy, other I do not remember, but language seem to fit well, in the
scheme, as for the philology,
over language and ancient cultures I do not know... 
The focus and unfocus I agree, it would be a good thing to regard things as
wholes, or the other way round to move from the general to the vague, or from
the discreet to the limited,
or form the microcosm ot the macrocosm and vice versa,,,

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:28 AM








“I Ching -- has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use
it spare-ingly.

(has tradition replaced prediction?)”
Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one through
the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..

I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route currently available.

Appointing ... ... ... ???

The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
“Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
makes us slaves?”

Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in some
point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a fact,
will not expand on this,

Slaves to what? Or to whom?
Humanity in general or me and you?
And why because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in
physics things are perplexed… .. also in reply to your post below:***

AEther, now called Dark Matter I think, was a concept known to the ancients
.. and now considered to possibly be the home of the consciousness of us all
...
So if we are less aware of this part of reality than our predecessors, that
makes us susceptible to their influence in this area .. and this may be part
of what you call magic ... ... ???

“Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this ..
but long ago, men took dominion from women because women had learned to
cheat at this .. and so men became afraid of them.) ....”

Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
there are types of magic,
And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle.

*My perspective is that "Magic" as practiced here is the utilization of some
part of the life processes .. which involves interrupting them, and
redirecting them .. thus changing the natural order .. thus cheating the
natural order ... *

So also I do not get the following
“We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
of magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”

*It is said that when a woman is first in love, she is in love with the man,
but after that she is only in love with love (the force of reincarnation
here on Earth), and does not re-attain her first self .. as it has passed on
with the first experience .. (hopefully that resulted in a child she can
cherish). *

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex!! ... Why is that? ..
He is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.”

This is in reference to a story line on TV, but often they mimic life.

I get that you mean the TV evangelists? ---no, they just prey on the
succeptible.
Do not have such things in my country, --lucky you!

sex is the other way round *an overabundant case*, I guess it is mostly sex
as an enterprise of living.
*"Sex as making chopped liver of life in too many instances." *

“*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic (sex) for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child
to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic (sex) or life-entanglements
for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.

That set of "nerves" and it's "activation" (*think ORMES*) is our connection
.. our link, our doorway to another quantum universe.
We abuse it, and that makes us diminished .. we abuse it and it makes our
children diminished before they have even come to realize they are again
living .. they are still in the transit zones for years when they are young,
but only the Essenes (and animals where the female is in control) allowed
their children to come to an age, before they opened that doorway and
changed the paths of consciousness. Predators lie in wait there as well! ..
I have met them.

Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic. ...???

The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
The children get lost in the too soon exploits of their undisciplined
parents.
It this makes you think of Brave New World and 1984 .. I read them, but the
ideas came from practice, not books in this case.

Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike

“People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!

I use the beginning as A and *O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite*,
but not empty, repentance, not repeating ---* I agree!!*

However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”

Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the symbolism
of silence
*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..

To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote do to Quetzalcoatl! !
Did Double Coyote, Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl create the Unit of
reconstitution .. what Woman was called on the island of Malta in the old
language!! ... Who first called her mother?

thus Math is our only PURE language ... all other languages are only
approximations
of the ideas!*

Do not know, I am not such a big fan of math as approximations, of other
ideas, and though I use math, do not like the Pythagorean sacred analogies,
or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
or wrong, or true that is

*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ...
So the mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs
a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*

That would be better, healing without other needs…

I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.

My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on the
computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain to
what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which stabilized
after a short period into my now writing, with only some small errors.

In those days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed
I do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
the letters that days…

My question is do yo want to understand? Sorry still problem writing.
I can still speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
language, why do it write like that ? There is the myth of all languages
coming from the same rotoof root, but do not know that it is so. If I try
to write quickly, then I have a proofor writing problem writing, if I do not
know if I don't and do not think of this then it all comes easily.

*``````````` ````I am working to understand through reading many books, and
typing online!
```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ``````
Mayan Sacred Head Count?
However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”
To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote (and Tezcatlipoka) do to Quetzalcoatyl! !
Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree (which is the female
reproductive tract, if you look at it closely). Or Woman.
*

(metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance? --The Neters of Egypt and
the Serpents of S. America, as seen on the Raimondi Stelle of Chauvin de
Huantar --those are the living iron of life! I think Coatlique is really
Athena of the thigh of Zeus, and this was the making of his reincarnation
machine. She may be the goddess sitting on the waters on the mouth of the
god of the third age, on the lid of the coffin of Lord Pacal of Palenque ..
see Cotterell!! .. Very interesting stuff!! ).
However, we do it incorrectly .. in many instances = cheating!
We have become great cheaters of the fabric of life.

It is nothing new, the Dravidian Indians were also, and that is why the
Romans hated them so badly and drove them from Carthage and salted their
fields so they would not return. The Dravidians are the origins of Tantra
(I think).

Sally

That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department where
the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am nowhere
in that place....

Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and the
questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
reality.
(If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space, and
is not something different.
What we are taught to believe is that time and history for that matter is
linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
is reality)

In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.

This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
something... the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
hold in view...

There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
described-understoo d, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
one sum.)
So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
when people moved away in the tech world etc.
I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are in
similar conditions.

He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
Einstein refused to join the operational club.

What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
stable for very long periods of time.

*** It resonates on a separate quantum sheet or level or harmonic, but we
approach it, if only briefly when we procreate .. this is the link with
magic .. but others live there-those who are of the next level or resonance
(that energy we no longer perceive).
And some are sacrificed for this level, to keep other minds there (in a
grove there) .. like Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree
(which is the female reproductive tract, if you look at it closely).

If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him, he
will be of much help.
That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
out what is going on…

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> “It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
> (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)”
> Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one
> through the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..
>
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
> Appointing? Time where?
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> “Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it
> this
> makes us slaves?”
> Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in
> some point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a
> fact, will not expand on this,
> Slaves to what? Or to whom? Humanity in general or me and you? And why
> because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in physics
> things are perplexed…
> “Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....”
> Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
> there are types of magic,
> And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
> general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle. So also I do not
> get the following
> “We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.”
>
> I get that you mean the TV evangelists? Do not have such things in my
> country, sex is the other way round an overabundant case, I guess it is
> mostly sex as an enterprise of living.
>
> “*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
>
> Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike
>
> “People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
> I use the beginning as A and O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite,
> but not empty, repentance, not repeating
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *”
> Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the
> symbolism of silence
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
> Do not know, I am not such a big fun of math as approximations, of other
> ideas, and though I use math, do not like the pythagorian sacred analogies,
> or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
> or wrong, or true that is
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
> That would be better, healing without other needs…
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on
> the computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain
> to what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which
> stabilized after a short period into my now writing, with only some small
> errors.
> That days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed I
> do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
> short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
> it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
> hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
> but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
> the letters that days…
> My question is do yo want to undertand? Soory still problem writing.
> I can stilll speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
> language, why do it write liek that ? There is the myth of all languages
> comeing from the same rotoof root, but don ot kowo that it is so. If I try
> to write quickly, then I ahve a profor writing problem writing, if I do not
> know if I dont and do not tihnk of this then it all comes eaisly.
> Mayan Sacred Head Count?
> (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?).
> Cheating?
>
> Sally
> That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
> many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
> To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department
> where the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am
> nowhere in that place....
>
> Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
> Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
> but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
> What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and
> the questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
> evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
> reality.
> (If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space,
> and is not something different.
> What we are tought to believe is that time and history for that matter is
> linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
> future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
> know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
> is reality)
>
> In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
> started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
> and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
> not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
> that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
> sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.
>
> This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
> of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
> gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
> try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
> much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
> something... the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
> internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
> depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
> hold in view...
> There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
> could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
> the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
> described-understoo d, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
> animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
> one sum.)
> So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
> it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
> general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
> will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
> when people moved away in the tech world etc.
> I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are
> in similar conditions.
>
> He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
> Einstein refused to join the operational club.
> What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
> Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
> Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
> I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
> that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
> it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
> physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
> stable for very long periods of time.
>
> If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him,
> he will be of much help.
> That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
> out what is going on…
>
> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss ionforum%
40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:19 PM
>
>
> Cube of thoth?
> triple octave?
> For these in good detail I recommend Michael Hayes book The Hermetic Code
> in
> DNA
> If you prefer circles .. the circles in the Flower of Life are elegant in
> example!
>
> I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> correct? ... also too many.
> Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form the
> mind I guess going into circles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
> have some books, but only synopsis.
> Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> 1) matter and energy,
> 2) of magic
> 3) of prediction,
>
> matter energy magic and prediction are linked,
> the i ching the book of changes would be something of the heraclitian flow
> containing everything, and that in mirroring our touch or contact with it,
> would lead to knowledge of ourselves thus also a prediction of the future?
>
> It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
>
> have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> translation I should read?
> I could not answer you on this one, I have the big yellow edition, but have
> not seen it since we moved.
>
> in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition, (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)
> or? do not know ----
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
>
> E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
> just or whatever dimensional change you want...
> Beside me a person is playing a game, he tries to build a village but this
> village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> Kereny, the language of myth?
> having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
> east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
>
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
> makes us slaves?
>
> Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
> combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
> the highest of order, at least this we do in science...
>
> So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> transformation of will into the environment, or the transformation of the
> self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
>
> Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....
>
> We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.
>
> *If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!
>
> People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
>
> careful my misspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> using
> the dictionary,
> but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> you
> notice many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> beginning o as the closed circle
> or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
>
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *
>
> A linguistic analysis, is that there are separate dynamics in the order of
> the language and that of ideas, language has its own form and ideas are
> formed through, it,
>
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
>
> the how they are stored and apprehended, how they manifest gives us much as
> to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
> analysis, or logical and does not help perceive any higher order functions,
> as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening
> reality
> in its other functions..or does it?
>
> the limitations of language or thought is seen --- only if one has on order
> the latter lucidity,
>
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> Sally
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:33 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cube of thoth?
> >
> > triple octave?
> >
> > I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> > right also too many.
> > Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form
> th
> > emind I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy
> I
> > have some books, but only synopsis.
> > Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> > 1)matter and energy,
> > 2) of magic
> > 3) of prediction,
> >
> > matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of
> > changes would be
> > something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in
> > mirroring our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of
> ourselves
> > thus also a prediction of the future?
> > have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> > translation I should read?
> >
> > in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
> > or? do not know
> >
> > E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> > 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> > c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> > square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to
> two,
> > jsut or whatever dimensional change you want...
> > Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but
> this
> > village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> > Kereny, the language of myth?
> > having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four
> exodes
> > east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
> >
> > Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to
> make
> > combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes
> is
> > the highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
> > So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> > trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the
> > self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
> > carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> > using the dictionary,
> > but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> > you notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> > beginning o as the closed circle
> > or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
> > A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order
> of
> > the language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are
> > formed throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the
> > manifest gives us muc as to what they are, but still it is just a
> projection
> > of thought, a math analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any
> > higher order functions, as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or
> > healing, or opening reality in its other functions..or does it? the
> > limitations of language or thought is seen only if one has on order the
> > latter lucidity,
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
> >
> >
> > I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
> > query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
> > Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
> > Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...
> >
> > It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.
> >
> > Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
> > teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the
> way
> > we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...
> >
> > You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
> > philosophy!!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
> > >
> > > something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> > > fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> > > mandelport,
> > > No videos this time no wierd writing,
> > > Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I
> > discovered
> > > a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an
> > istologist
> > > connecting
> > > and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> > > ordering hierarchy...
> > > Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so,
> > setting
> > > the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you
> can
> > > also do that,
> > > in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> > > ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> > > does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> > > pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
> > >
> > > So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> > > exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external,
> and
> > > then again open up, like the spiral,
> > > but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> > > because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> > > synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing,
> like
> > an
> > > echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind
> is
> > > clear,
> > > so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not
> > know
> > > yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that,
> > your
> > > thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
> > >
> > > the vector space of regulated functions on
> > > [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to
> integrate
> > a
> > >
> > > polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; :
> :
> > :
> > > .g
> > > this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried
> to
> > > envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> > > something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> > > going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> > > DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> > > according to koestler,? and also
> > > the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> > > order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> > > form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> > > according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead
> > to
> > > larger structures, split structures,
> > >
> > > from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time
> > and
> > > again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going
> on
> > to
> > > time, so time
> > > going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> > > from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like
> > the
> > > quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes?
> > have
> > > not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only
> > want
> > > the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> > > the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> > > which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus,
> the
> > > new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> > > fractal of time designates
> > > all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> > > the juamn, or human...
> > >
> > > polynomial?
> > >
> > > the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> > > moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going
> > back
> > > 3 to 7 adding the four,
> > > or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> > > paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> > > white, one up and form up one up
> > > or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still
> in
> > > the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> > > Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> > > clear enough...
> > >
> > > hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new
> > and
> > > also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> > > taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> > > to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a
> > sum,
> > > or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs
> > all
> > > the help he can get, from himself and others...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
> > >
> > > My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> > > verifiable!
> > >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that is nice, only one info this time
> > > >
> > > > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well
> as
> > > the
> > > > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > > > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger
> and
> > > seen
> > > > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
> > γνωθι
> > > > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan
> =
> > > > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para
d'atē = "make
> a
> > > > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> > > >
> > > > still have not understood what this coulde be
> > > >
> > > > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> > > Bohm...
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > com>>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send
> a
> > > URL
> > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation,
> > just
> > > > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but
> > still
> > > > the
> > > > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> > > from
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils
> > had?
> > > > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> > > Bohm,
> > > > I
> > > > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> > > "scientists"
> > > > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but
> > after
> > > a
> > > > > while action is needed,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I
> disagree
> > > > .... some
> > > > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and
> > the
> > > > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and
> > can
> > > > act
> > > > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have
> no
> > > > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> > > only
> > > > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action
> > under
> > > > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very
> > differnt
> > > > > thing from learning!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say
> ..
> > I
> > > > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE
> > WHOLE
> > > > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and
> define
> > > it
> > > > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> > > time?
> > > > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I
> > wonder
> > > > why
> > > > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a
> time/space/extincti
> > > on
> > > > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for
> > immortality
> > > > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > > > mystery
> > > > > to check into.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather
> more
> > > > actual
> > > > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > > > rational
> > > > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung
> Pauli
> > > > tried
> > > > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might
> > have
> > > > some
> > > > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the
> info,
> > > did
> > > > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
> > ----------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics
> the
> > > > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a
> personal
> > > > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is
> > always
> > > If
> > > > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> > > process
> > > > a
> > > > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and
> so
> > > > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers ..
> but
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** ..
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the
> black/white!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> > > load,
> > > > > so?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Step back and take a breather!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves
> > in,
> > > > but
> > > > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or
> > rambling,
> > > > to
> > > > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he
> is
> > a
> > > > fool
> > > > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of
> > their
> > > > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> > > helps,
> > > > if
> > > > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of
> thought
> > ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not
> > get
> > > on
> > > > > well ...(example)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --
> > > > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> > > end,
> > > > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is
> with
> > > no
> > > > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third
> > eye
> > > > or
> > > > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is
> closed
> > > > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> > > reach
> > > > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the
> > books,
> > > > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> > > active,
> > > > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess
> > Colin
> > > > paves
> > > > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> > > wants
> > > > to
> > > > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the
> > action.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Why?
> > > > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so
> much
> > > > > easier to do!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> > > course,
> > > > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral,
> > the
> > > > web
> > > > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for
> the
> > > > mind,
> > > > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have
> > your
> > > > own
> > > > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> > > ideas
> > > > or
> > > > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> > > work
> > > > in
> > > > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants
> > could
> > > > give
> > > > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for
> > dissipates,
> > > > if
> > > > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> > > attractors
> > > > for
> > > > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not
> > certain,
> > > > the
> > > > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the
> riddles,
> > > > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more,
> > about
> > > > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we
> of
> > > the
> > > > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings,
> > multiple
> > > > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which
> are
> > > now
> > > > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that
> > world,
> > > > we
> > > > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but
> > live
> > > > in
> > > > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> > > rings
> > > > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the
> C
> > > be?
> > > > I
> > > > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even
> > others)
> > > > as
> > > > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> > > suspect.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity
> > ...
> > > > and
> > > > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot
> ..
> > > the
> > > > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall
> until
> > > > your
> > > > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> > > then
> > > > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but
> you
> > > and
> > > > > them? ....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the
> > Great
> > > > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found,
> and
> > > it
> > > > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also
> have
> > > > been
> > > > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> > > explored.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can
> > keep
> > > > our
> > > > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> > > what
> > > > we
> > > > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sally
> > > > >
> > > > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> > > writing
> > > > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Thanasis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > > com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to
> send
> > a
> > > > URL
> > > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson
> discuss
> > > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it
> > was
> > > > in
> > > > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that
> I
> > > > > brought
> > > > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes
> ..
> > > > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > > > subjects
> > > > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it
> > laps
> > > > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> > > cycles
> > > > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in
> the
> > > past
> > > > > as
> > > > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > > > expressed
> > > > > there in my own posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the
> work
> > > of
> > > > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who
> found
> > > the
> > > > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > > > >
> > > > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > > > >
> > > > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far
> > fetched
> > > > are
> > > > > they,
> > > > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> > > opens
> > > > > the
> > > > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I
> don't
> > > > think
> > > > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > > > >
> > > > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to
> > contact,
> > > > nor
> > > > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > > > >
> > > > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book,
> > stashed
> > > > and
> > > > > unknown till then,
> > > > >
> > > > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information
> spread,
> > > but
> > > > > remained the same, so?
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I
> guess
> > > > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working
> harder
> > to
> > > > > make
> > > > > the connections? ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > > > extracts
> > > > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a
> > junky
> > > > like
> > > > > dick was, both of them
> > > > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of
> language
> > > > > spectacles, or was it
> > > > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> > > strict
> > > > > course under the nucleus,
> > > > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle,
> > which
> > > > Jung
> > > > > denoted
> > > > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> > > question,
> > > > > nor
> > > > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the
> > language
> > > > of
> > > > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > > > translation
> > > > > software.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I
> > am?
> > > > >
> > > > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> > > else?
> > > > > Likely not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the
> > human
> > > > > race,
> > > > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> > > cannot
> > > > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > > > >
> > > > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or
> > not?
> > > > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to
> science,
> > or
> > > > > science not magic,
> > > > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is
> there?
> > > > >
> > > > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow
> get
> > > > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> > > guess,
> > > > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > > > >
> > > > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> > > personalities,
> > > > > is
> > > > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> > > transformed,
> > > > i
> > > > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave
> > things
> > > > to
> > > > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move
> > away
> > > > form
> > > > > both magic and science to reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > > > >
> > > > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language,
> mind
> > > > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious
> language,
> > > > other?
> > > > >
> > > > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> > > quanta,
> > > > > and
> > > > > linked quanta as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts:
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > > > >
> > > > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > > > A Pure Language:
> > > > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> > > changeless
> > > > > Truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one
> > let
> > > go
> > > > > of
> > > > > his ming, or mind,
> > > > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > reach myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` `````
> > > > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > > > Son's of Somerled
> > > > > by Steve McDonald
> > > > >
> > > > > All You Can Know
> > > > >
> > > > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > > > When a man wants to know"
> > > > > ...Memories are forever
> > > > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > > > Hoping to find"
> > > > > ...Lost reality
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > > > >
> > > > > finishing
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers :)
> > > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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“I Ching -- has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use
it spare-ingly.

(has tradition replaced prediction?)”
Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one through
the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..

I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route currently available.

Appointing ... ... ... ???

The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
“Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
makes us slaves?”

Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in some
point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a fact,
will not expand on this,

Slaves to what? Or to whom?
Humanity in general or me and you?
And why because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in
physics things are perplexed… .. also in reply to your post below:***

AEther, now called Dark Matter I think, was a concept known to the ancients
.. and now considered to possibly be the home of the consciousness of us all
...
So if we are less aware of this part of reality than our predecessors, that
makes us susceptible to their influence in this area .. and this may be part
of what you call magic ... ... ???


“Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this ..
but long ago, men took dominion from women because women had learned to
cheat at this .. and so men became afraid of them.) ....”

Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
there are types of magic,
And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle.

*My perspective is that "Magic" as practiced here is the utilization of some
part of the life processes .. which involves interrupting them, and
redirecting them .. thus changing the natural order .. thus cheating the
natural order ... *


So also I do not get the following
“We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
of magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”

*It is said that when a woman is first in love, she is in love with the man,
but after that she is only in love with love (the force of reincarnation
here on Earth), and does not re-attain her first self .. as it has passed on
with the first experience .. (hopefully that resulted in a child she can
cherish). *

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex!! ... Why is that? ..
He is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.”

This is in reference to a story line on TV, but often they mimic life.

I get that you mean the TV evangelists? ---no, they just prey on the
succeptible.
Do not have such things in my country, --lucky you!

sex is the other way round *an overabundant case*, I guess it is mostly sex
as an enterprise of living.
*"Sex as making chopped liver of life in too many instances." *

“*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic (sex) for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child
to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic (sex) or life-entanglements
for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.

That set of "nerves" and it's "activation" (*think ORMES*) is our connection
.. our link, our doorway to another quantum universe.
We abuse it, and that makes us diminished .. we abuse it and it makes our
children diminished before they have even come to realize they are again
living .. they are still in the transit zones for years when they are young,
but only the Essenes (and animals where the female is in control) allowed
their children to come to an age, before they opened that doorway and
changed the paths of consciousness.  Predators lie in wait there as well! ..
I have met them.

Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic. ...???

The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
The children get lost in the too soon exploits of their undisciplined
parents.
It this makes you think of Brave New World and 1984 .. I read them, but the
ideas came from practice,  not books in this case.

Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike

“People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!

I use the beginning as A and *O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite*,
but not empty, repentance, not repeating ---* I agree!!*


However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”

Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the symbolism
of silence
*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..

To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote do to Quetzalcoatl!!
Did Double Coyote, Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl create the Unit of
reconstitution .. what Woman was called on the island of Malta in the old
language!! ... Who first called her mother?

thus Math is our only PURE language ... all other languages are only
approximations
of the ideas!*

Do not know, I am not such a big fan of math as approximations, of other
ideas, and though I use math, do not like the Pythagorean sacred analogies,
or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
or wrong, or true that is

*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ...
So the mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs
a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*

That would be better, healing without other needs…


I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.

My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on the
computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain to
what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which stabilized
after a short period into my now writing, with only some small errors.

In those days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed
I do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
the letters that days…

  My question is do yo want to understand? Sorry still problem writing.
I can still speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
language, why do it write like that ? There is the myth of all languages
coming from the same rotoof root, but do not know  that it is so. If I try
to write quickly, then I have a proofor writing problem writing, if I do not
know if I don't and do not think of this then it all comes easily.

*```````````````I am working to understand through reading many books, and
typing online!
`````````````````````````````````````````````
Mayan Sacred Head Count?
However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”
To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote (and Tezcatlipoka) do to Quetzalcoatyl!!
Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree (which is the female
reproductive tract, if you look at it closely).   Or Woman.
*

(metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance? --The Neters of Egypt and
the Serpents of S. America, as seen on the Raimondi Stelle of Chauvin de
Huantar --those are the living iron of life!  I think Coatlique is really
Athena of the thigh of Zeus, and this was the making of his reincarnation
machine.  She may be the goddess sitting on the waters on the mouth of the
god of the third age, on the lid of the coffin of Lord Pacal of Palenque ..
see Cotterell!! .. Very interesting stuff!! ).
  However, we do it incorrectly .. in many instances = cheating!
We have become great cheaters of the fabric of life.

It is nothing new, the Dravidian Indians were also, and that is why the
Romans hated them so badly and drove them from Carthage and salted their
fields so they would not return.  The Dravidians are the origins of Tantra
(I think).

Sally

That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department where
the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am nowhere
in that place....

Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and the
questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
reality.
(If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space, and
is not something different.
What we are taught to believe is that time and history for that matter is
linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
is reality)

In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.

This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
something...the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
hold in view...

There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
described-understood, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
one sum.)
So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
when people moved away in the tech world  etc.
I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are in
similar conditions.

He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
Einstein refused to join the operational club.

What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
stable for very long periods of time.

*** It resonates on a separate quantum sheet or level or harmonic, but we
approach it, if only briefly when we procreate .. this is the link with
magic .. but others live there-those who are of the next level or resonance
(that energy we no longer perceive).
And some are sacrificed for this level, to keep other minds there (in a
grove there) .. like Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree
(which is the female reproductive tract, if you look at it closely).

If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him, he
will be of much help.
That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
out what is going on…

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> “It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
> (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)”
> Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one
> through the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..
>
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
> Appointing? Time where?
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> “Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it
> this
> makes us slaves?”
> Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in
> some point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a
> fact, will not expand on this,
> Slaves to what? Or to whom? Humanity in general or me and you? And why
> because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in physics
> things are perplexed…
> “Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....”
> Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
> there are types of magic,
> And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
> general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle. So also I do not
> get the following
> “We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.”
>
> I get that you mean the TV evangelists? Do not have such things in my
> country, sex is the other way round an overabundant case, I guess it is
> mostly sex as an enterprise of living.
>
> “*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
>
> Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike
>
> “People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
> I use the beginning as A and O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite,
> but not empty, repentance, not repeating
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *”
> Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the
> symbolism of silence
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
> Do not know, I am not such a big fun of math as approximations, of other
> ideas, and though I use math, do not like the pythagorian sacred analogies,
> or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
> or wrong, or true that is
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
> That would be better, healing without other needs…
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on
> the computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain
> to what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which
> stabilized after a short period into my now writing, with only some small
> errors.
>  That days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed I
> do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
> short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
> it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
> hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
> but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
> the letters that days…
>  My question is do yo want to undertand? Soory still problem writing.
> I can stilll speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
> language, why do it write liek that ? There is the myth of all languages
> comeing from the same rotoof root, but don ot kowo that it is so. If I try
> to write quickly, then I ahve a profor writing problem writing, if I do not
> know if I dont and do not tihnk of this then it all comes eaisly.
> Mayan Sacred Head Count?
> (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?).
> Cheating?
>
> Sally
> That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
> many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
> To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department
> where the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am
> nowhere in that place....
>
> Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
> Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
> but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
> What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and
> the questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
> evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
> reality.
> (If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space,
> and is not something different.
> What we are tought to believe is that time and history for that matter is
> linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
> future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
> know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
> is reality)
>
> In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
> started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
> and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
> not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
> that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
> sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.
>
> This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
> of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
> gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
> try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
> much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
> something...the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
> internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
> depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
> hold in view...
> There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
> could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
> the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
> described-understood, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
> animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
> one sum.)
> So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
> it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
> general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
> will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
> when people moved away in the tech world  etc.
> I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are
> in similar conditions.
>
> He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
> Einstein refused to join the operational club.
> What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
> Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
> Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
> I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
> that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
> it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
> physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
> stable for very long periods of time.
>
> If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him,
> he will be of much help.
> That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
> out what is going on…
>
> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:19 PM
>
>
> Cube of thoth?
> triple octave?
> For these in good detail I recommend Michael Hayes book The Hermetic Code
> in
> DNA
> If you prefer circles .. the circles in the Flower of Life are elegant in
> example!
>
> I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> correct? ... also too many.
> Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form the
> mind I guess going into circles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
> have some books, but only synopsis.
> Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> 1) matter and energy,
> 2) of magic
> 3) of prediction,
>
> matter energy magic and prediction are linked,
> the i ching the book of changes would be something of the heraclitian flow
> containing everything, and that in mirroring our touch or contact with it,
> would lead to knowledge of ourselves thus also a prediction of the future?
>
> It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
>
> have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> translation I should read?
> I could not answer you on this one, I have the big yellow edition, but have
> not seen it since we moved.
>
> in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition, (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)
> or? do not know ----
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
>
> E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
> just or whatever dimensional change you want...
> Beside me a person is playing a game, he tries to build a village but this
> village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> Kereny, the language of myth?
> having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
> east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
>
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
> makes us slaves?
>
> Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
> combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
> the highest of order, at least this we do in science...
>
> So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> transformation of will into the environment, or the transformation of the
> self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
>
> Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....
>
> We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.
>
> *If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!
>
> People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
>
> careful my misspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> using
> the dictionary,
> but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> you
> notice many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> beginning o as the closed circle
> or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
>
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *
>
> A linguistic analysis, is that there are separate dynamics in the order of
> the language and that of ideas, language has its own form and ideas are
> formed through, it,
>
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
>
> the how they are stored and apprehended, how they manifest gives us much as
> to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
> analysis, or logical and does not help perceive any higher order functions,
> as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening
> reality
> in its other functions..or does it?
>
> the limitations of language or thought is seen --- only if one has on order
> the latter lucidity,
>
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> Sally
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:33 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cube of thoth?
> >
> > triple octave?
> >
> > I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> > right also too many.
> > Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form
> th
> > emind I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy
> I
> > have some books, but only synopsis.
> > Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> > 1)matter and energy,
> > 2) of magic
> > 3) of prediction,
> >
> > matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of
> > changes would be
> > something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in
> > mirroring our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of
> ourselves
> > thus also a prediction of the future?
> > have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> > translation I should read?
> >
> > in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
> > or? do not know
> >
> > E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> > 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> > c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> > square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to
> two,
> > jsut or whatever dimensional change you want...
> > Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but
> this
> > village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> > Kereny, the language of myth?
> > having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four
> exodes
> > east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
> >
> > Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to
> make
> > combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes
> is
> > the highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
> > So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> > trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the
> > self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
> > carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> > using the dictionary,
> > but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> > you notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> > beginning o as the closed circle
> > or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
> > A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order
> of
> > the language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are
> > formed throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the
> > manifest gives us muc as to what they are, but still it is just a
> projection
> > of thought, a math analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any
> > higher order functions, as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or
> > healing, or opening reality in its other functions..or does it? the
> > limitations of language or thought is seen only if one has on order the
> > latter lucidity,
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
> >
> >
> > I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
> > query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
> > Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
> > Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...
> >
> > It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.
> >
> > Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
> > teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the
> way
> > we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...
> >
> > You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
> > philosophy!!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
> > >
> > > something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> > > fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> > > mandelport,
> > > No videos this time no wierd writing,
> > > Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I
> > discovered
> > > a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an
> > istologist
> > > connecting
> > > and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> > > ordering hierarchy...
> > > Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so,
> > setting
> > > the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you
> can
> > > also do that,
> > > in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> > > ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> > > does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> > > pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
> > >
> > > So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> > > exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external,
> and
> > > then again open up, like the spiral,
> > > but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> > > because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> > > synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing,
> like
> > an
> > > echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind
> is
> > > clear,
> > > so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not
> > know
> > > yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that,
> > your
> > > thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
> > >
> > > the vector space of regulated functions on
> > > [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to
> integrate
> > a
> > >
> > > polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; :
> :
> > :
> > > .g
> > > this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried
> to
> > > envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> > > something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> > > going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> > > DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> > > according to koestler,? and also
> > > the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> > > order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> > > form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> > > according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead
> > to
> > > larger structures, split structures,
> > >
> > > from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time
> > and
> > > again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going
> on
> > to
> > > time, so time
> > > going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> > > from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like
> > the
> > > quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes?
> > have
> > > not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only
> > want
> > > the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> > > the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> > > which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus,
> the
> > > new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> > > fractal of time designates
> > > all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> > > the juamn, or human...
> > >
> > > polynomial?
> > >
> > > the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> > > moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going
> > back
> > > 3 to 7 adding the four,
> > > or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> > > paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> > > white, one up and form up one up
> > > or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still
> in
> > > the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> > > Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> > > clear enough...
> > >
> > > hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new
> > and
> > > also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> > > taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> > > to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a
> > sum,
> > > or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs
> > all
> > > the help he can get, from himself and others...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
> > >
> > > My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> > > verifiable!
> > >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that is nice, only one info this time
> > > >
> > > > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well
> as
> > > the
> > > > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > > > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger
> and
> > > seen
> > > > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
> > γνωθι
> > > > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan
> =
> > > > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para
d'atē = "make
> a
> > > > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> > > >
> > > > still have not understood what this coulde be
> > > >
> > > > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> > > Bohm...
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > com>>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send
> a
> > > URL
> > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation,
> > just
> > > > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but
> > still
> > > > the
> > > > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> > > from
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils
> > had?
> > > > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> > > Bohm,
> > > > I
> > > > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> > > "scientists"
> > > > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but
> > after
> > > a
> > > > > while action is needed,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I
> disagree
> > > > .... some
> > > > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and
> > the
> > > > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and
> > can
> > > > act
> > > > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have
> no
> > > > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> > > only
> > > > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action
> > under
> > > > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very
> > differnt
> > > > > thing from learning!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say
> ..
> > I
> > > > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE
> > WHOLE
> > > > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and
> define
> > > it
> > > > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> > > time?
> > > > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I
> > wonder
> > > > why
> > > > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a
> time/space/extincti
> > > on
> > > > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for
> > immortality
> > > > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > > > mystery
> > > > > to check into.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather
> more
> > > > actual
> > > > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > > > rational
> > > > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung
> Pauli
> > > > tried
> > > > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might
> > have
> > > > some
> > > > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the
> info,
> > > did
> > > > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
> > ----------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics
> the
> > > > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a
> personal
> > > > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is
> > always
> > > If
> > > > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> > > process
> > > > a
> > > > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and
> so
> > > > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers ..
> but
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** ..
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the
> black/white!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> > > load,
> > > > > so?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Step back and take a breather!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves
> > in,
> > > > but
> > > > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or
> > rambling,
> > > > to
> > > > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he
> is
> > a
> > > > fool
> > > > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of
> > their
> > > > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> > > helps,
> > > > if
> > > > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of
> thought
> > ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not
> > get
> > > on
> > > > > well ...(example)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --
> > > > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> > > end,
> > > > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is
> with
> > > no
> > > > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third
> > eye
> > > > or
> > > > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is
> closed
> > > > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> > > reach
> > > > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the
> > books,
> > > > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> > > active,
> > > > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess
> > Colin
> > > > paves
> > > > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> > > wants
> > > > to
> > > > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the
> > action.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Why?
> > > > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so
> much
> > > > > easier to do!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> > > course,
> > > > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral,
> > the
> > > > web
> > > > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for
> the
> > > > mind,
> > > > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have
> > your
> > > > own
> > > > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> > > ideas
> > > > or
> > > > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> > > work
> > > > in
> > > > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants
> > could
> > > > give
> > > > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for
> > dissipates,
> > > > if
> > > > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> > > attractors
> > > > for
> > > > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not
> > certain,
> > > > the
> > > > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the
> riddles,
> > > > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more,
> > about
> > > > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we
> of
> > > the
> > > > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings,
> > multiple
> > > > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which
> are
> > > now
> > > > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that
> > world,
> > > > we
> > > > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but
> > live
> > > > in
> > > > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> > > rings
> > > > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the
> C
> > > be?
> > > > I
> > > > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even
> > others)
> > > > as
> > > > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> > > suspect.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity
> > ...
> > > > and
> > > > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot
> ..
> > > the
> > > > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall
> until
> > > > your
> > > > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> > > then
> > > > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but
> you
> > > and
> > > > > them? ....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the
> > Great
> > > > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found,
> and
> > > it
> > > > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also
> have
> > > > been
> > > > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> > > explored.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can
> > keep
> > > > our
> > > > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> > > what
> > > > we
> > > > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sally
> > > > >
> > > > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> > > writing
> > > > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Thanasis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > > com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to
> send
> > a
> > > > URL
> > > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson
> discuss
> > > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it
> > was
> > > > in
> > > > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that
> I
> > > > > brought
> > > > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes
> ..
> > > > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > > > subjects
> > > > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it
> > laps
> > > > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> > > cycles
> > > > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in
> the
> > > past
> > > > > as
> > > > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > > > expressed
> > > > > there in my own posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the
> work
> > > of
> > > > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who
> found
> > > the
> > > > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > > > >
> > > > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > > > >
> > > > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far
> > fetched
> > > > are
> > > > > they,
> > > > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> > > opens
> > > > > the
> > > > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I
> don't
> > > > think
> > > > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > > > >
> > > > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to
> > contact,
> > > > nor
> > > > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > > > >
> > > > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book,
> > stashed
> > > > and
> > > > > unknown till then,
> > > > >
> > > > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information
> spread,
> > > but
> > > > > remained the same, so?
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I
> guess
> > > > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working
> harder
> > to
> > > > > make
> > > > > the connections? ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > > > extracts
> > > > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a
> > junky
> > > > like
> > > > > dick was, both of them
> > > > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of
> language
> > > > > spectacles, or was it
> > > > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> > > strict
> > > > > course under the nucleus,
> > > > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle,
> > which
> > > > Jung
> > > > > denoted
> > > > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> > > question,
> > > > > nor
> > > > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the
> > language
> > > > of
> > > > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > > > translation
> > > > > software.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I
> > am?
> > > > >
> > > > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> > > else?
> > > > > Likely not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the
> > human
> > > > > race,
> > > > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> > > cannot
> > > > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > > > >
> > > > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or
> > not?
> > > > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to
> science,
> > or
> > > > > science not magic,
> > > > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is
> there?
> > > > >
> > > > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow
> get
> > > > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> > > guess,
> > > > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > > > >
> > > > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> > > personalities,
> > > > > is
> > > > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> > > transformed,
> > > > i
> > > > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave
> > things
> > > > to
> > > > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move
> > away
> > > > form
> > > > > both magic and science to reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > > > >
> > > > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language,
> mind
> > > > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious
> language,
> > > > other?
> > > > >
> > > > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> > > quanta,
> > > > > and
> > > > > linked quanta as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts:
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > > > >
> > > > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > > > A Pure Language:
> > > > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> > > changeless
> > > > > Truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one
> > let
> > > go
> > > > > of
> > > > > his ming, or mind,
> > > > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > reach myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` `````
> > > > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > > > Son's of Somerled
> > > > > by Steve McDonald
> > > > >
> > > > > All You Can Know
> > > > >
> > > > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > > > When a man wants to know"
> > > > > ...Memories are forever
> > > > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > > > Hoping to find"
> > > > > ...Lost reality
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > > > >
> > > > > finishing
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers :)
> > > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
wrote:
>
> Some thoughts and a reply:
>
>
> Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> A Pure Language:
> Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> Truth.<<

Pardon my intrusion into your discussion.
I am a member under another ID, and had received your letter in a Digest when I
checked my mail. Glancing through, this phrase caught my eye.

The Ancient Wisdom is not lost.
The Secret was to THINK IN PICTURES, NOT IN WORDS.

    THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE       by L. Ron Hubbard

1. Beliefs; 2. Thoughts; 3. Words; 4. Physical Actions;
5. Postulates; 6. Total Understanding.

WHEN HUMAN beings got used to the idea of communicating in symbols- which is
images mashed together- like using snapshots to spell out things, instead of
looking at what is IN the photos- the ability to look AT the pictures, and FOCUS
upon their content became lost.

    GENESIS 11:3-9.

3. And they said one to another,
"Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly."
And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4. And they said,
"Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,
whose top may reach unto Heaven;
and let us make us a Name,
lest we be scattered abroad upon the Face of the whole Earth."
5. And The LORD came down to see the City and the Tower,
which the Children of Men builded.
6. And The LORD said,
"Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language;
and this they begin to do:
and now nothing will be restrained from them,
which they have imagined to do.
7. "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,
that they may not understand one another's speech."
8. So The LORD scattered them abroad from thence
upon the face of all the Earth: and they left off to build the City.
9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel;
because the LORD did there confound the language of all the Earth:
and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad
upon the Face of all the Earth.

ONCE HUMANS FELL FOR THAT, we were pretty much toast.
The entire series of psychic powers became gradually inaccessible- but to the
rare few who were born with the necessary energy levels, or who grew up under
special, disciplined circumstances:

    THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. HEIGHTENED AWARENESS: Total Recall and Total Concentration.

2. *SEEING:* ESP ability to perceive anything that exists or existed,
and analyze its life energy composition- thus proving the difference
between true visions (which have the full range of Energy Signatures,) and false
visions (which contain only the signature of the being who created it,)
analogous to detecting the pixellation of faked photos.

3. ANGEL DEPLOYMENT: The Telekinetic ability to create an energy body, and act
through it at remote distances.

4. TELEPORTATION: The ability to dematerialize one's body to pure Life Energy,
and to rematerialize it elsewhere in the current Universe.

5. TRANSLATION: The ability to teleport into the "Higher Universes" (i.e.
Heaven).

6-10. TRANSFIGURATION: The simultaneous triggering of all these abilities with a
"jump" of one's energy content from 50% to 100% in an instant. "Cosmic
Awareness." "Everlasting Life."

THE ABILITY TO perceive the Mental Image pictures that make upon the
Word-Symbolisms many of us grew used to using was lost, not merely in Remote
Ancient Storybook times, but in each of our individual lives.
Those who never lost the ability would grow up puzzled at the behavior of other
people, presuming that all people think alike.
An artist might never understand why everyone elsecan't just pick up a pencil or
brush and DRAW WHAT THEY SAW. It comes as a stagering revelation to many that
others CANNOT THINK IN IMAGES to save their lives! Lots of people grow RICH off
exploiting this to their own advantage- lawfully and otherwise.

The ability is not difficult to retrieve.
However, considerable and disciplined mental stability is required, because
there are serious factors involved (Mind Parasites), which take advantage if we
relax our guard. (The Genesis account states that we did not lose this ability
on our own- we had "help!")

    PSALM 119:97-104.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
100. I understand more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.

"MEDITATION," HERE, MEANS "to mutter," or "to murmur."
a passage of scripture- not too long- is repeated over and over thousands of
times a day. Over the course of months, if need be.
To the point where one would rather be meditating than eating the most pleasant
of delicacies. Eventually, the mind will be able to focus on the symbols
involved, and break them down into their constituent images.

This will lead to ESP perception of ALL possible knowledge associated with any
words or symbols. This is why supposed "Primitive Tribes" did not bother with
writing. Instead of depending on books about people- which could become
mutilated or indecipherable- they left behind artificats, which could be used to
divine the entire life histories of the person who made it, and the culture it
came from.

“It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
spare-ingly.
(has
tradition replaced prediction?)”
Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one through the
other, but not of much importance as I see it now..
I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route here.
Appointing? Time where?
The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
“Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
makes us slaves?”
Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in some
point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a fact, will
not expand on this,
Slaves to what? Or to whom? Humanity in general or me and you? And why because
we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in physics things are
perplexed…
“Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so men
became afraid of them.) ....”
Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic, there
are types of magic,
And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle. So also I do not get
the following
“We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field of
magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? .. He
is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.”


I get that you mean the TV evangelists? Do not have such things in my country,
sex is the other way round an overabundant case, I guess it is mostly sex as an
enterprise of living.

“*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.


Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic.

The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”


Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike

“People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!
I use the beginning as A and O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite, but
not empty, repentance, not repeating

However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”
Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the symbolism of
silence
*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
of the ideas!*
Do not know, I am not such a big fun of math as approximations, of other ideas,
and though I use math, do not like the pythagorian sacred analogies, or harmony
of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right or wrong, or
true that is
*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
That would be better, healing without other needs…

I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.


My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on the
computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain to what
happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which stabilized after a
short period into my now writing, with only some small errors.
 That days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed I do
not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a short
circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process, it was the
opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two hemispheres of your
brain, at least that is the memory that has remained, but I might also be
exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of the letters that days…
 My question is do yo want to undertand? Soory still problem writing.
I can stilll speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
language, why do it write liek that ? There is the myth of all languages comeing
from the same rotoof root, but don ot kowo that it is so. If I try to write
quickly, then I ahve a profor writing problem writing, if I do not know if I
dont and do not tihnk of this then it all comes eaisly.
Mayan Sacred Head Count?
(metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?).
Cheating?

Sally
That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas, many
ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department where the
world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am nowhere in that
place....
 
Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena, but
have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and the
questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be evaluated,
which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech reality.
(If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space, and is
not something different. 
What we are tought to believe is that time and history for that matter is
linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the future
nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not know if it
is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
is reality) 
 
In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation and
thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were not the
same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying that every
observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience, sensory capabilities,
etc. of the observer.
 
This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety of
conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions gives
our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I try to get
as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a much more
different reality than the usual ones, which of course means something...the
problem is that one forgets is that the condition is internal and external
alike, meaning that there is no split world in a depiction of conditions of
observer and observant which is very difficult to hold in view...
There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would could
be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition the
others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
described-understood, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as animals
and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in one sum.) 
So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science it
becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as will
the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore when
people moved away in the tech world  etc.
I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are
in similar conditions. 
 
He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
Einstein refused to join the operational club.
What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only Tao,
but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether Chirstian,
Jewish, Hindi, etc.
I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but that we
cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with it, it and we
being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental physical features of the
universe are not permanent, but some are very stable for very long periods of
time.
 
If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him, he
will be of much help.
That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find out
what is going on…

--- On Sat, 4/18/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:19 PM








Cube of thoth?
triple octave?
For these in good detail I recommend Michael Hayes book The Hermetic Code in
DNA
If you prefer circles .. the circles in the Flower of Life are elegant in
example!

I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
correct? ... also too many.
Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form the
mind I guess going into circles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
have some books, but only synopsis.
Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
1) matter and energy,
2) of magic
3) of prediction,

matter energy magic and prediction are linked,
the i ching the book of changes would be something of the heraclitian flow
containing everything, and that in mirroring our touch or contact with it,
would lead to knowledge of ourselves thus also a prediction of the future?

It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
spare-ingly.

have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
translation I should read?
I could not answer you on this one, I have the big yellow edition, but have
not seen it since we moved.

in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition, (has
tradition replaced prediction?)
or? do not know ----
I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route here.

E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
just or whatever dimensional change you want...
Beside me a person is playing a game, he tries to build a village but this
village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
Kereny, the language of myth?
having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a circle.

The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
makes us slaves?

Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
the highest of order, at least this we do in science...

So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
transformation of will into the environment, or the transformation of the
self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?

Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so men
became afraid of them.) ....

We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field of
magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? .. He
is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.

*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.

The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!

People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*

careful my misspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders using
the dictionary,
but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if you
notice many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
beginning o as the closed circle
or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?

*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!

However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *

A linguistic analysis, is that there are separate dynamics in the order of
the language and that of ideas, language has its own form and ideas are
formed through, it,

*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
of the ideas!*

the how they are stored and apprehended, how they manifest gives us much as
to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
analysis, or logical and does not help perceive any higher order functions,
as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening reality
in its other functions..or does it?

the limitations of language or thought is seen --- only if one has on order
the latter lucidity,

*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*

I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.

Sally

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:33 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Cube of thoth?
>
> triple octave?
>
> I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> right also too many.
> Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form th
> emind I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
> have some books, but only synopsis.
> Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> 1)matter and energy,
> 2) of magic
> 3) of prediction,
>
> matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of
> changes would be
> something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in
> mirroring our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of ourselves
> thus also a prediction of the future?
> have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> translation I should read?
>
> in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
> or? do not know
>
> E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
> jsut or whatever dimensional change you want...
> Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but this
> village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> Kereny, the language of myth?
> having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
> east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a circle.
>
> Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
> combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
> the highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
> So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the
> self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
> carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> using the dictionary,
> but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> you notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> beginning o as the closed circle
> or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
> A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order of
> the language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are
> formed throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the
> manifest gives us muc as to what they are, but still it is just a projection
> of thought, a math analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any
> higher order functions, as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or
> healing, or opening reality in its other functions..or does it? the
> limitations of language or thought is seen only if one has on order the
> latter lucidity,
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss ionforum%
40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
>
>
> I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
> query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
> Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
> Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...
>
> It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.
>
> Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
> teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the way
> we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...
>
> You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
> philosophy!!
>
> Sally
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
> >
> > something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> > fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> > mandelport,
> > No videos this time no wierd writing,
> > Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I
> discovered
> > a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an
> istologist
> > connecting
> > and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> > ordering hierarchy...
> > Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so,
> setting
> > the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you can
> > also do that,
> > in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> > ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> > does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> > pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
> >
> > So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> > exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external, and
> > then again open up, like the spiral,
> > but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> > because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> > synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing, like
> an
> > echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind is
> > clear,
> > so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not
> know
> > yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that,
> your
> > thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
> >
> > the vector space of regulated functions on
> > [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to integrate
> a
> >
> > polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; : :
> :
> > .g
> > this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried to
> > envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> > something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> > going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> > DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> > according to koestler,? and also
> > the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> > order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> > form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> > according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead
> to
> > larger structures, split structures,
> >
> > from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time
> and
> > again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going on
> to
> > time, so time
> > going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> > from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like
> the
> > quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes?
> have
> > not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only
> want
> > the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> > the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> > which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus, the
> > new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> > fractal of time designates
> > all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> > the juamn, or human...
> >
> > polynomial?
> >
> > the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> > moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going
> back
> > 3 to 7 adding the four,
> > or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> > paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> > white, one up and form up one up
> > or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still in
> > the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> > Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> > clear enough...
> >
> > hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new
> and
> > also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> > taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> > to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a
> sum,
> > or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs
> all
> > the help he can get, from himself and others...
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
> >
> > My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> > verifiable!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > that is nice, only one info this time
> > >
> > > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as
> > the
> > > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and
> > seen
> > > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
> γνωθι
> > > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> > > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē
= "make a
> > > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> > >
> > > still have not understood what this coulde be
> > >
> > > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> > Bohm...
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation,
> just
> > > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but
> still
> > > the
> > > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> > from
> > > >
> > >
> > > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils
> had?
> > > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> > Bohm,
> > > I
> > > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> > "scientists"
> > > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but
> after
> > a
> > > > while action is needed,
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> > > .... some
> > > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and
> the
> > > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and
> can
> > > act
> > > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> > only
> > > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and
> when
> > > the
> > > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action
> under
> > > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very
> differnt
> > > > thing from learning!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say ..
> I
> > > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE
> WHOLE
> > > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define
> > it
> > > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> > time?
> > > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I
> wonder
> > > why
> > > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti
> > on
> > > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for
> immortality
> > > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > > mystery
> > > > to check into.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> > > actual
> > > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > > rational
> > > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> > > tried
> > > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might
> have
> > > some
> > > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info,
> > did
> > > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
> ----------
> > > >
> > >
> > > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is
> always
> > If
> > > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> > process
> > > a
> > > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that
> we
> > > are
> > > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but
> it
> > > is
> > > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** ..
> it
> > is
> > > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> > load,
> > > > so?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Step back and take a breather!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves
> in,
> > > but
> > > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or
> rambling,
> > > to
> > > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is
> a
> > > fool
> > > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of
> their
> > > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> > helps,
> > > if
> > > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought
> ..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not
> get
> > on
> > > > well ...(example)
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ------------ --------- --
> > > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> > end,
> > > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with
> > no
> > > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third
> eye
> > > or
> > > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> > reach
> > > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the
> books,
> > > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> > active,
> > > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess
> Colin
> > > paves
> > > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> > wants
> > > to
> > > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the
> action.
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > *Why?
> > > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > > > easier to do!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> > course,
> > > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral,
> the
> > > web
> > > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> > > mind,
> > > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have
> your
> > > own
> > > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> > ideas
> > > or
> > > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> > work
> > > in
> > > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants
> could
> > > give
> > > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for
> dissipates,
> > > if
> > > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> > attractors
> > > for
> > > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not
> certain,
> > > the
> > > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more,
> about
> > > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of
> > the
> > > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings,
> multiple
> > > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are
> > now
> > > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that
> world,
> > > we
> > > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but
> live
> > > in
> > > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> > rings
> > > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C
> > be?
> > > I
> > > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even
> others)
> > > as
> > > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> > suspect.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity
> ...
> > > and
> > > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot ..
> > the
> > > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> > > your
> > > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> > then
> > > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you
> > and
> > > > them? ....
> > > >
> > >
> > > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the
> Great
> > > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and
> > it
> > > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> > > been
> > > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> > explored.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can
> keep
> > > our
> > > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> > what
> > > we
> > > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Sally
> > > >
> > > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> > writing
> > > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Thanasis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send
> a
> > > URL
> > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > > >
> > > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it
> was
> > > in
> > > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > > > brought
> > > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > > subjects
> > > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it
> laps
> > > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> > cycles
> > > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > > >
> > > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the
> > past
> > > > as
> > > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > > expressed
> > > > there in my own posts.
> > > >
> > > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work
> > of
> > > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found
> > the
> > > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > > >
> > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > > >
> > > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > > >
> > > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far
> fetched
> > > are
> > > > they,
> > > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> > opens
> > > > the
> > > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> > > think
> > > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > > >
> > > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to
> contact,
> > > nor
> > > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > > >
> > > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > > >
> > > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book,
> stashed
> > > and
> > > > unknown till then,
> > > >
> > > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread,
> > but
> > > > remained the same, so?
> > > >
> > > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder
> to
> > > > make
> > > > the connections? ??
> > > >
> > > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > > extracts
> > > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a
> junky
> > > like
> > > > dick was, both of them
> > > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > > > spectacles, or was it
> > > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> > strict
> > > > course under the nucleus,
> > > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle,
> which
> > > Jung
> > > > denoted
> > > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> > question,
> > > > nor
> > > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the
> language
> > > of
> > > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > > translation
> > > > software.
> > > >
> > > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I
> am?
> > > >
> > > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> > else?
> > > > Likely not.
> > > >
> > > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the
> human
> > > > race,
> > > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > > >
> > > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> > cannot
> > > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > > >
> > > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > > >
> > > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or
> not?
> > > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science,
> or
> > > > science not magic,
> > > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> > > >
> > > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> > guess,
> > > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > > >
> > > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> > personalities,
> > > > is
> > > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> > transformed,
> > > i
> > > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave
> things
> > > to
> > > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move
> away
> > > form
> > > > both magic and science to reality.
> > > >
> > > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > > >
> > > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> > > other?
> > > >
> > > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> > quanta,
> > > > and
> > > > linked quanta as well.
> > > >
> > > > Some thoughts:
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > > >
> > > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > > >
> > > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > > >
> > > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > > A Pure Language:
> > > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> > changeless
> > > > Truth.
> > > >
> > > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one
> let
> > go
> > > > of
> > > > his ming, or mind,
> > > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am
> trying
> > to
> > > > reach myself.
> > > >
> > > > ```````````` `````
> > > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > > Son's of Somerled
> > > > by Steve McDonald
> > > >
> > > > All You Can Know
> > > >
> > > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > > When a man wants to know"
> > > > ...Memories are forever
> > > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > > Hoping to find"
> > > > ...Lost reality
> > > >
> > > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > > >
> > > > finishing
> > > >
> > > > Cheers :)
> > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
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Cube of thoth?
  triple octave?
For these in good detail I recommend Michael Hayes book The Hermetic Code in
DNA
If you prefer circles .. the circles in the Flower of Life are elegant in
example!

I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
correct? ... also too many.
Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form the
mind I guess going into circles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
have some books, but only synopsis.
Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
1) matter and energy,
2) of magic
3) of prediction,

matter energy magic and prediction are linked,
the i ching the book of changes would be something of the heraclitian flow
containing everything, and that in mirroring our touch or contact with it,
would lead to knowledge of ourselves thus also a prediction of the future?

It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
spare-ingly.

have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
translation I should read?
I could not answer you on this one, I have the big yellow edition, but have
not seen it since we moved.

in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,  (has
tradition replaced prediction?)
or? do not know ----
I'd rather not do any appointing at this time.  I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer.  I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route here.

E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
just or whatever dimensional change you want...
Beside me a person is playing a game, he tries to build a village but this
village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
Kereny, the language of myth?
having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a circle.

The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive.  I wonder it this
makes us slaves?

Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
the highest of order, at least this we do in science...

So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
transformation of will into the environment, or the transformation of the
self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?

Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so men
became afraid of them.) ....

We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field of
magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? .. He
is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage.  ...  But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.

*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.


The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!

People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*

careful my misspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders using
the dictionary,
but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if you
notice many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
beginning o as the closed circle
or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?

*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!

However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone!  *

A linguistic analysis, is that there are separate dynamics in the order of
the language and that of ideas, language has its own form and ideas are
formed through, it,

*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
of the ideas!*

the how they are stored and apprehended, how they manifest gives us much as
to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
analysis, or logical and does not help perceive any higher order functions,
as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening reality
in its other functions..or does it?

the limitations of language or thought is seen --- only if one has on order
the latter lucidity,

*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*

I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?).  It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.

Sally

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:33 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> Cube of thoth?
>
> triple octave?
>
> I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> right also too many.
> Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form th
> emind I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
> have some books, but only synopsis.
> Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> 1)matter and energy,
> 2) of magic
> 3) of prediction,
>
> matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of
> changes would be
> something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in
> mirroring our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of ourselves
> thus also a prediction of the future?
> have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> translation I should read?
>
> in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
> or? do not know
>
> E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
> jsut or whatever dimensional change you want...
> Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but this
> village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> Kereny, the language of myth?
> having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
> east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a circle.
>
> Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
> combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
> the highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
> So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the
> self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
> carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> using the dictionary,
> but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> you notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> beginning o as the closed circle
> or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
> A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order of
> the language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are
> formed throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the
> manifest gives us muc as to what they are, but still it is just a projection
> of thought, a math analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any
> higher order functions, as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or
> healing, or opening reality in its other functions..or does it? the
> limitations of language or thought is seen only if one has on order the
> latter lucidity,
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
>
>
> I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
> query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
> Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
> Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...
>
> It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.
>
> Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
> teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the way
> we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...
>
> You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
> philosophy!!
>
> Sally
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
> >
> > something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> > fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> > mandelport,
> > No videos this time no wierd writing,
> > Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I
> discovered
> > a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an
> istologist
> > connecting
> > and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> > ordering hierarchy...
> > Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so,
> setting
> > the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you can
> > also do that,
> > in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> > ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> > does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> > pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
> >
> > So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> > exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external, and
> > then again open up, like the spiral,
> > but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> > because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> > synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing, like
> an
> > echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind is
> > clear,
> > so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not
> know
> > yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that,
> your
> > thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
> >
> > the vector space of regulated functions on
> > [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to integrate
> a
> >
> > polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; : :
> :
> > .g
> > this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried to
> > envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> > something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> > going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> > DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> > according to koestler,? and also
> > the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> > order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> > form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> > according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead
> to
> > larger structures, split structures,
> >
> > from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time
> and
> > again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going on
> to
> > time, so time
> > going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> > from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like
> the
> > quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes?
> have
> > not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only
> want
> > the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> > the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> > which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus, the
> > new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> > fractal of time designates
> > all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> > the juamn, or human...
> >
> > polynomial?
> >
> > the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> > moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going
> back
> > 3 to 7 adding the four,
> > or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> > paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> > white, one up and form up one up
> > or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still in
> > the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> > Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> > clear enough...
> >
> > hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new
> and
> > also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> > taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> > to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a
> sum,
> > or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs
> all
> > the help he can get, from himself and others...
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
> >
> > My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> > verifiable!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > that is nice, only one info this time
> > >
> > > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as
> > the
> > > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and
> > seen
> > > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
> γνωθι
> > > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> > > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē
= "make a
> > > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> > >
> > > still have not understood what this coulde be
> > >
> > > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> > Bohm...
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation,
> just
> > > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but
> still
> > > the
> > > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> > from
> > > >
> > >
> > > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils
> had?
> > > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> > Bohm,
> > > I
> > > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> > "scientists"
> > > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but
> after
> > a
> > > > while action is needed,
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> > > .... some
> > > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and
> the
> > > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and
> can
> > > act
> > > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> > only
> > > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and
> when
> > > the
> > > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action
> under
> > > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very
> differnt
> > > > thing from learning!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say ..
> I
> > > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE
> WHOLE
> > > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define
> > it
> > > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> > time?
> > > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I
> wonder
> > > why
> > > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti
> > on
> > > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for
> immortality
> > > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > > mystery
> > > > to check into.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> > > actual
> > > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > > rational
> > > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> > > tried
> > > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might
> have
> > > some
> > > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info,
> > did
> > > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
> ----------
> > > >
> > >
> > > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is
> always
> > If
> > > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> > process
> > > a
> > > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that
> we
> > > are
> > > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but
> it
> > > is
> > > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** ..
> it
> > is
> > > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> > load,
> > > > so?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Step back and take a breather!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves
> in,
> > > but
> > > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or
> rambling,
> > > to
> > > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is
> a
> > > fool
> > > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of
> their
> > > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> > helps,
> > > if
> > > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought
> ..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not
> get
> > on
> > > > well ...(example)
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ------------ --------- --
> > > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> > end,
> > > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with
> > no
> > > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third
> eye
> > > or
> > > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> > reach
> > > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the
> books,
> > > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> > active,
> > > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess
> Colin
> > > paves
> > > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> > wants
> > > to
> > > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the
> action.
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > *Why?
> > > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > > > easier to do!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> > course,
> > > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral,
> the
> > > web
> > > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> > > mind,
> > > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have
> your
> > > own
> > > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> > ideas
> > > or
> > > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> > work
> > > in
> > > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants
> could
> > > give
> > > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for
> dissipates,
> > > if
> > > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> > attractors
> > > for
> > > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not
> certain,
> > > the
> > > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more,
> about
> > > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of
> > the
> > > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings,
> multiple
> > > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are
> > now
> > > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that
> world,
> > > we
> > > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but
> live
> > > in
> > > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> > rings
> > > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C
> > be?
> > > I
> > > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even
> others)
> > > as
> > > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> > suspect.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity
> ...
> > > and
> > > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot ..
> > the
> > > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > > >
> > >
> > > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> > > your
> > > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> > then
> > > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you
> > and
> > > > them? ....
> > > >
> > >
> > > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the
> Great
> > > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and
> > it
> > > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> > > been
> > > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> > explored.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can
> keep
> > > our
> > > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> > what
> > > we
> > > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Sally
> > > >
> > > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> > writing
> > > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Thanasis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send
> a
> > > URL
> > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > > >
> > > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it
> was
> > > in
> > > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > > > brought
> > > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > > subjects
> > > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it
> laps
> > > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> > cycles
> > > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > > >
> > > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the
> > past
> > > > as
> > > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > > expressed
> > > > there in my own posts.
> > > >
> > > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work
> > of
> > > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found
> > the
> > > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > > >
> > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > > >
> > > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > > >
> > > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far
> fetched
> > > are
> > > > they,
> > > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> > opens
> > > > the
> > > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> > > think
> > > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > > >
> > > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to
> contact,
> > > nor
> > > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > > >
> > > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > > >
> > > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book,
> stashed
> > > and
> > > > unknown till then,
> > > >
> > > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread,
> > but
> > > > remained the same, so?
> > > >
> > > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder
> to
> > > > make
> > > > the connections? ??
> > > >
> > > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > > extracts
> > > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a
> junky
> > > like
> > > > dick was, both of them
> > > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > > > spectacles, or was it
> > > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> > strict
> > > > course under the nucleus,
> > > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle,
> which
> > > Jung
> > > > denoted
> > > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> > question,
> > > > nor
> > > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the
> language
> > > of
> > > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > > translation
> > > > software.
> > > >
> > > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I
> am?
> > > >
> > > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> > else?
> > > > Likely not.
> > > >
> > > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the
> human
> > > > race,
> > > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > > >
> > > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> > cannot
> > > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > > >
> > > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > > >
> > > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or
> not?
> > > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science,
> or
> > > > science not magic,
> > > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> > > >
> > > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> > guess,
> > > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > > >
> > > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> > personalities,
> > > > is
> > > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> > transformed,
> > > i
> > > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave
> things
> > > to
> > > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move
> away
> > > form
> > > > both magic and science to reality.
> > > >
> > > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > > >
> > > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> > > other?
> > > >
> > > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> > quanta,
> > > > and
> > > > linked quanta as well.
> > > >
> > > > Some thoughts:
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > > >
> > > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > > >
> > > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > > >
> > > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > > A Pure Language:
> > > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> > changeless
> > > > Truth.
> > > >
> > > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one
> let
> > go
> > > > of
> > > > his ming, or mind,
> > > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am
> trying
> > to
> > > > reach myself.
> > > >
> > > > ```````````` `````
> > > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > > Son's of Somerled
> > > > by Steve McDonald
> > > >
> > > > All You Can Know
> > > >
> > > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > > When a man wants to know"
> > > > ...Memories are forever
> > > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > > Hoping to find"
> > > > ...Lost reality
> > > >
> > > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > > >
> > > > finishing
> > > >
> > > > Cheers :)
> > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
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Cube of thoth?
 
triple octave?
 
I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to right
also too many.
Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form th emind
I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I have some
books, but only synopsis.
Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
1)matter and energy,  
2) of magic
3) of prediction,
 
matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of changes
would be
something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in mirroring
our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of ourselves thus also a
prediction of the future?
have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the translation I
should read?
 
in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
or? do not know
 
E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that square is
either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two, jsut or
whatever dimensional change you want...
Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but this
village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and Kereny,
the language of myth?
having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes east
west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a circle.
 
Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is the
highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the self,
which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders using
the dictionary,
but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if you
notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the beginning o
as the closed circle
or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order of the
language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are formed
throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the manifest gives us
muc as to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any higher order functions, as
enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening reality in its
other functions..or does it? the limitations of language or thought is seen only
if one has on order the latter lucidity,
 

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM








I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...

It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.

Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the way
we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...

You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
philosophy!!

Sally

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
>
> something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> mandelport,
> No videos this time no wierd writing,
> Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I discovered
> a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an istologist
> connecting
> and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> ordering hierarchy...
> Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so, setting
> the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you can
> also do that,
> in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
>
> So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external, and
> then again open up, like the spiral,
> but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing, like an
> echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind is
> clear,
> so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not know
> yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that, your
> thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
>
> the vector space of regulated functions on
> [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to integrate a
>
> polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; : : :
> .g
> this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried to
> envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> according to koestler,? and also
> the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead to
> larger structures, split structures,
>
> from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time and
> again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going on to
> time, so time
> going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like the
> quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes? have
> not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only want
> the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus, the
> new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> fractal of time designates
> all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> the juamn, or human...
>
> polynomial?
>
> the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going back
> 3 to 7 adding the four,
> or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> white, one up and form up one up
> or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still in
> the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> clear enough...
>
> hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new and
> also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a sum,
> or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs all
> the help he can get, from himself and others...
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss ionforum%
40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
>
> My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> verifiable!
>
> Sally
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > that is nice, only one info this time
> >
> > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as
> the
> > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and
> seen
> > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
γνωθι
> > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē =
"make a
> > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> >
> > still have not understood what this coulde be
> >
> > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> Bohm...
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still
> > the
> > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> from
> > >
> >
> > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > >
> >
> > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> Bohm,
> > I
> > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> "scientists"
> > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but after
> a
> > > while action is needed,
> > >
> >
> > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > >
> >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> > .... some
> > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can
> > act
> > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> only
> > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when
> > the
> > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> > > thing from learning!!
> > >
> >
> > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define
> it
> > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> time?
> > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder
> > why
> > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti
> on
> > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for immortality
> > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > mystery
> > > to check into.
> > >
> >
> > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> > actual
> > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > rational
> > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> > tried
> > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might have
> > some
> > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info,
> did
> > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
> > >
> >
> > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > >
> >
> > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always
> If
> > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> process
> > a
> > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we
> > are
> > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it
> > is
> > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it
> is
> > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> load,
> > > so?
> > >
> >
> > > Step back and take a breather!
> > >
> >
> > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in,
> > but
> > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or rambling,
> > to
> > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a
> > fool
> > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > >
> >
> > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> helps,
> > if
> > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought ..
> > >
> >
> > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get
> on
> > > well ...(example)
> > >
> >
> > > ------------ --------- --
> > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> end,
> > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with
> no
> > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye
> > or
> > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> reach
> > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> active,
> > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin
> > paves
> > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> wants
> > to
> > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > *Why?
> > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > >
> >
> > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > > easier to do!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> course,
> > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the
> > web
> > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> > mind,
> > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your
> > own
> > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> ideas
> > or
> > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> work
> > in
> > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could
> > give
> > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates,
> > if
> > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> attractors
> > for
> > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > >
> >
> > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain,
> > the
> > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of
> the
> > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are
> now
> > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world,
> > we
> > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live
> > in
> > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > >
> >
> > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> rings
> > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C
> be?
> > I
> > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others)
> > as
> > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> suspect.
> > >
> >
> > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ...
> > and
> > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot ..
> the
> > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > >
> >
> > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> > your
> > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> then
> > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you
> and
> > > them? ....
> > >
> >
> > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and
> it
> > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> > been
> > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> explored.
> > >
> >
> > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep
> > our
> > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> what
> > we
> > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > >
> >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> writing
> > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > Regards,
> > > Thanasis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> >
> > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > >
> > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was
> > in
> > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > > brought
> > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > subjects
> > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> cycles
> > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > >
> > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the
> past
> > > as
> > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > expressed
> > > there in my own posts.
> > >
> > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work
> of
> > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found
> the
> > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > >
> > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > >
> > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > >
> > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched
> > are
> > > they,
> > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> opens
> > > the
> > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> > think
> > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > >
> > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact,
> > nor
> > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > >
> > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > >
> > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed
> > and
> > > unknown till then,
> > >
> > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread,
> but
> > > remained the same, so?
> > >
> > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> > > make
> > > the connections? ??
> > >
> > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > extracts
> > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky
> > like
> > > dick was, both of them
> > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > > spectacles, or was it
> > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> strict
> > > course under the nucleus,
> > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which
> > Jung
> > > denoted
> > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> question,
> > > nor
> > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language
> > of
> > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > translation
> > > software.
> > >
> > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
> > >
> > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> else?
> > > Likely not.
> > >
> > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> > > race,
> > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > >
> > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> cannot
> > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > >
> > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > >
> > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> > > science not magic,
> > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> > >
> > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> guess,
> > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > >
> > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> personalities,
> > > is
> > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> transformed,
> > i
> > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things
> > to
> > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away
> > form
> > > both magic and science to reality.
> > >
> > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > >
> > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> > other?
> > >
> > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> quanta,
> > > and
> > > linked quanta as well.
> > >
> > > Some thoughts:
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > >
> > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > >
> > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > >
> > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > >
> > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > A Pure Language:
> > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> changeless
> > > Truth.
> > >
> > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let
> go
> > > of
> > > his ming, or mind,
> > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying
> to
> > > reach myself.
> > >
> > > ```````````` `````
> > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > Son's of Somerled
> > > by Steve McDonald
> > >
> > > All You Can Know
> > >
> > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > When a man wants to know"
> > > ...Memories are forever
> > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > Hoping to find"
> > > ...Lost reality
> > >
> > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > >
> > > finishing
> > >
> > > Cheers :)
> > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
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I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...

It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.

Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the way
we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...

You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good  database
philosophy!!

Sally

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
>
> something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> mandelport,
> No videos this time no wierd writing,
> Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I discovered
> a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an istologist
> connecting
> and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> ordering hierarchy...
> Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so, setting
> the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you can
> also do that,
> in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
>
> So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external, and
> then again open up, like the spiral,
>  but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing, like an
> echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind is
> clear,
> so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not know
> yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that, your
> thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
>
> the vector space of regulated functions on
> [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to integrate a
>
> polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; : : :
> .g
> this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried to
> envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> according to koestler,? and also
> the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead to
> larger structures, split structures,
>
> from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time and
> again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going on to
> time, so time
> going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like the
> quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes? have
> not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only want
> the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus, the
> new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> fractal of time designates
> all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> the juamn, or human...
>
> polynomial?
>
> the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going back
> 3 to 7 adding the four,
> or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> white, one up and form up one up
> or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still in
> the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> Anyway,  I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> clear enough...
>
> hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new and
> also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a sum,
> or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs all
> the help he can get, from himself and others...
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
>
> My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> verifiable!
>
> Sally
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > that is nice, only one info this time
> >
> > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as
> the
> > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and
> seen
> > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
γνωθι
> > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē =
"make a
> > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> >
> > still have not understood what this coulde be
> >
> > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> Bohm...
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still
> > the
> > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> from
> > >
> >
> > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > >
> >
> > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> Bohm,
> > I
> > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> "scientists"
> > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but after
> a
> > > while action is needed,
> > >
> >
> > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > >
> >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> > .... some
> > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can
> > act
> > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> only
> > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when
> > the
> > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> > > thing from learning!!
> > >
> >
> > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define
> it
> > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> time?
> > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder
> > why
> > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti
> on
> > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for immortality
> > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > mystery
> > > to check into.
> > >
> >
> > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> > actual
> > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > rational
> > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> > tried
> > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might have
> > some
> > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info,
> did
> > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
> > >
> >
> > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > >
> >
> > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always
> If
> > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> process
> > a
> > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we
> > are
> > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it
> > is
> > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it
> is
> > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> load,
> > > so?
> > >
> >
> > > Step back and take a breather!
> > >
> >
> > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in,
> > but
> > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or rambling,
> > to
> > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a
> > fool
> > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > >
> >
> > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> helps,
> > if
> > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought ..
> > >
> >
> > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get
> on
> > > well ...(example)
> > >
> >
> > > ------------ --------- --
> > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> end,
> > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with
> no
> > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye
> > or
> > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> reach
> > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> active,
> > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin
> > paves
> > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> wants
> > to
> > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > *Why?
> > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > >
> >
> > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > > easier to do!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> course,
> > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the
> > web
> > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> > mind,
> > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your
> > own
> > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> ideas
> > or
> > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> work
> > in
> > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could
> > give
> > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates,
> > if
> > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> attractors
> > for
> > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > >
> >
> > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain,
> > the
> > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of
> the
> > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are
> now
> > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world,
> > we
> > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live
> > in
> > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > >
> >
> > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> rings
> > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C
> be?
> > I
> > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others)
> > as
> > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> suspect.
> > >
> >
> > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ...
> > and
> > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot ..
> the
> > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > >
> >
> > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> > your
> > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> then
> > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you
> and
> > > them? ....
> > >
> >
> > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and
> it
> > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> > been
> > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> explored.
> > >
> >
> > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep
> > our
> > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> what
> > we
> > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > >
> >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> writing
> > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > Regards,
> > > Thanasis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> >
> > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > >
> > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was
> > in
> > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > > brought
> > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > subjects
> > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> cycles
> > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > >
> > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the
> past
> > > as
> > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > expressed
> > > there in my own posts.
> > >
> > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work
> of
> > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found
> the
> > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > >
> > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > >
> > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > >
> > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched
> > are
> > > they,
> > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> opens
> > > the
> > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> > think
> > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > >
> > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact,
> > nor
> > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > >
> > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > >
> > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed
> > and
> > > unknown till then,
> > >
> > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread,
> but
> > > remained the same, so?
> > >
> > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> > > make
> > > the connections? ??
> > >
> > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > extracts
> > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky
> > like
> > > dick was, both of them
> > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > > spectacles, or was it
> > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> strict
> > > course under the nucleus,
> > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which
> > Jung
> > > denoted
> > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> question,
> > > nor
> > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language
> > of
> > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > translation
> > > software.
> > >
> > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
> > >
> > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> else?
> > > Likely not.
> > >
> > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> > > race,
> > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > >
> > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> cannot
> > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > >
> > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > >
> > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> > > science not magic,
> > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> > >
> > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> guess,
> > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > >
> > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> personalities,
> > > is
> > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> transformed,
> > i
> > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things
> > to
> > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away
> > form
> > > both magic and science to reality.
> > >
> > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > >
> > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> > other?
> > >
> > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> quanta,
> > > and
> > > linked quanta as well.
> > >
> > > Some thoughts:
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > >
> > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > >
> > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > >
> > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > >
> > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > A Pure Language:
> > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> changeless
> > > Truth.
> > >
> > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let
> go
> > > of
> > > his ming, or mind,
> > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying
> to
> > > reach myself.
> > >
> > > ```````````` `````
> > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > Son's of Somerled
> > > by Steve McDonald
> > >
> > > All You Can Know
> > >
> > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > When a man wants to know"
> > > ...Memories are forever
> > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > Hoping to find"
> > > ...Lost reality
> > >
> > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > >
> > > finishing
> > >
> > > Cheers :)
> > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
 
something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into fractals,
if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the mandelport,
No videos this time no wierd writing, 
Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I discovered a
pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an istologist
connecting
and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
ordering hierarchy...
Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so, setting
the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you can also
do that,
in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so does
the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the pattern here
stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
 
So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that exploration
might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external, and then again
open up, like the spiral,
 but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why, because
I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme synchronicities, and
also feedback into what I am saying or viewing, like an echo, but only when the
people I talk to are simple minded and my mind is clear, 
so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not know yet,
hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that, your thought
how it goe s I have not deciphered
 
the vector space of regulated functions on
[a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to integrate a
polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; : : : .g
this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried to
envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the DNA? dna
too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form according to
koestler,? and also 
the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes? 
form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead to
larger structures, split structures,
 
from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time and again
when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going on to time, so
time 
going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space 
from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like the
quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes? have not
ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only want the
core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries the invariant
left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus, the
new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
fractal of time designates
all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
the juamn, or human...
 
polynomial? 
 
the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going back
3 to 7 adding the four,
or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is paved,
but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and white, one up
and form up one up
or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still in the
vagues and can not find the right picture...
Anyway,  I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not clear
enough...
 
hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new and also
getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of taxonomy and
rapid analysis which 
to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a sum,
or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs all
the help he can get, from himself and others...



--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM








My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
verifiable!

Sally

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> that is nice, only one info this time
>
> Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as the
> Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and seen
> by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases: γνωθι
> σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē =
"make a
> pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
>
> still have not understood what this coulde be
>
> Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on Bohm...
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss ionforum%
40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still
> the
> > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away from
> >
>
> > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> >
>
> > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of Bohm,
> I
> > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of "scientists"
> > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but after a
> > while action is needed,
> >
>
> > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> >
>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> .... some
> > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can
> act
> > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I only
> > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when
> the
> > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> > thing from learning!!
> >
>
> > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define it
> > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over time?
> > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder
> why
> > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti on
> > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for immortality
> > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> mystery
> > to check into.
> >
>
> > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> actual
> > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> rational
> > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> tried
> > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might have
> some
> > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info, did
> > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
> >
>
> > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > favorite), and other "three" things.
> >
>
> > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always If
> > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the process
> a
> > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we
> are
> > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it
> is
> > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it is
> > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> >
>
> >
> > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big load,
> > so?
> >
>
> > Step back and take a breather!
> >
>
> > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in,
> but
> > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or rambling,
> to
> > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a
> fool
> > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> >
>
> > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That helps,
> if
> > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought ..
> >
>
> > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get on
> > well ...(example)
> >
>
> > ------------ --------- --
> > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities end,
> > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with no
> > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye
> or
> > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we reach
> > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was active,
> > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin
> paves
> > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one wants
> to
> > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
> >
>
> >
> > *Why?
> > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> >
>
> > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > easier to do!
> >
>
> >
> > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of course,
> > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the
> web
> > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> mind,
> > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your
> own
> > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your ideas
> or
> > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to work
> in
> > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> >
>
> >
> > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could
> give
> > varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates,
> if
> > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many attractors
> for
> > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> >
>
> > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> >
>
> >
> > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain,
> the
> > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of the
> > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are now
> > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world,
> we
> > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live
> in
> > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> >
>
> > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two rings
> > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C be?
> I
> > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others)
> as
> > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I suspect.
> >
>
> > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ...
> and
> > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot .. the
> > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> >
>
> > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> your
> > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and then
> > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you and
> > them? ....
> >
>
> When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and it
> > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> been
> > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and explored.
> >
>
> > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep
> our
> > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of what
> we
> > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> >
>
> > Sally
> >
> > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive writing
> > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > Regards,
> > Thanasis
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> >
> >
> > Some thoughts and a reply:
> >
> > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was
> in
> > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > brought
> > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > subjects
> > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
> > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> >
> > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past
> > as
> > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> expressed
> > there in my own posts.
> >
> > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
> > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
> > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> >
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> >
> > A reply slotted into your missive:
> >
> > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched
> are
> > they,
> > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens
> > the
> > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> think
> > so) in a yahoo group,
> >
> > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact,
> nor
> > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> >
> > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> >
> > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed
> and
> > unknown till then,
> >
> > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
> > remained the same, so?
> >
> > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> > make
> > the connections? ??
> >
> > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> extracts
> > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky
> like
> > dick was, both of them
> > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > spectacles, or was it
> > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
> > course under the nucleus,
> > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which
> Jung
> > denoted
> > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question,
> > nor
> > even Guidarjieff,
> > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language
> of
> > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> translation
> > software.
> >
> > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
> >
> > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
> > Likely not.
> >
> > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> > race,
> > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> >
> > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
> > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> >
> > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> >
> > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> > science not magic,
> > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> >
> > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
> > why? to to hel-p us all
> > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> >
> > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities,
> > is
> > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed,
> i
> > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things
> to
> > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away
> form
> > both magic and science to reality.
> >
> > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> >
> > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> other?
> >
> > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta,
> > and
> > linked quanta as well.
> >
> > Some thoughts:
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> >
> > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> >
> > Changing is the World around us,
> > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> >
> > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> >
> > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > A Pure Language:
> > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> > Truth.
> >
> > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go
> > of
> > his ming, or mind,
> > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
> > reach myself.
> >
> > ```````````` `````
> > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > Son's of Somerled
> > by Steve McDonald
> >
> > All You Can Know
> >
> > "Will a man sell his soul
> > When a man wants to know"
> > ...Memories are forever
> > "Will a man change his mind
> > Hoping to find"
> > ...Lost reality
> >
> > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> >
> > finishing
> >
> > Cheers :)
> > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
verifiable!

Sally

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> that is nice, only one info this time
>
> Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as the
> Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and seen
> by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases: γνωθι
> σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan =
> "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para d'atē =
"make a
> pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
>
> still have not understood what this coulde be
>
> Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on Bohm...
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still
> the
> > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away from
> >
>
> > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> >
>
> > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of Bohm,
> I
> > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of "scientists"
> > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but after a
> > while action is needed,
> >
>
> > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> >
>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree
> .... some
> > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can
> act
> > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I only
> > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when
> the
> > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> > thing from learning!!
> >
>
> > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define it
> > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over time?
> > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder
> why
> > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti on
> > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for immortality
> > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> mystery
> > to check into.
> >
>
> > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more
> actual
> > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> rational
> > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli
> tried
> > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might have
> some
> > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info, did
> > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
> >
>
> > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> > favorite), and other "three" things.
> >
>
> > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always If
> > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the process
> a
> > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we
> are
> > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it
> is
> > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it is
> > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
> >
>
> >
> > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big load,
> > so?
> >
>
> > Step back and take a breather!
> >
>
> > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in,
> but
> > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or rambling,
> to
> > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a
> fool
> > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> >
>
> > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That helps,
> if
> > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought ..
> >
>
> > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get on
> > well ...(example)
> >
>
> > ------------ --------- --
> > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities end,
> > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with no
> > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye
> or
> > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we reach
> > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was active,
> > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin
> paves
> > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one wants
> to
> > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
> >
>
> >
> > *Why?
> > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> >
>
> > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> > easier to do!
> >
>
> >
> > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of course,
> > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the
> web
> > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the
> mind,
> > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your
> own
> > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your ideas
> or
> > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to work
> in
> > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> >
>
> >
> > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could
> give
> > varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates,
> if
> > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many attractors
> for
> > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> >
>
> > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> >
>
> >
> > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain,
> the
> > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of the
> > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are now
> > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world,
> we
> > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live
> in
> > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> >
>
> > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two rings
> > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C be?
> I
> > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others)
> as
> > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I suspect.
> >
>
> > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ...
> and
> > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot .. the
> > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> >
>
> > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until
> your
> > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and then
> > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you and
> > them? ....
> >
>
> When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and it
> > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have
> been
> > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and explored.
> >
>
> > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep
> our
> > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of what
> we
> > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> >
>
> > Sally
> >
> > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive writing
> > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > Regards,
> > Thanasis
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> >
> >
> > Some thoughts and a reply:
> >
> > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was
> in
> > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> > brought
> > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > subjects
> > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
> > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> >
> > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past
> > as
> > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> expressed
> > there in my own posts.
> >
> > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
> > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
> > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> >
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> >
> > A reply slotted into your missive:
> >
> > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched
> are
> > they,
> > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens
> > the
> > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't
> think
> > so) in a yahoo group,
> >
> > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact,
> nor
> > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> >
> > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> >
> > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed
> and
> > unknown till then,
> >
> > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
> > remained the same, so?
> >
> > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> > make
> > the connections? ??
> >
> > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> extracts
> > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky
> like
> > dick was, both of them
> > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> > spectacles, or was it
> > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
> > course under the nucleus,
> > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which
> Jung
> > denoted
> > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question,
> > nor
> > even Guidarjieff,
> > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language
> of
> > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> translation
> > software.
> >
> > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
> >
> > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
> > Likely not.
> >
> > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> > race,
> > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> >
> > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
> > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> >
> > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> >
> > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> > science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> > science not magic,
> > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
> >
> > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
> > why? to to hel-p us all
> > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> >
> > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities,
> > is
> > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed,
> i
> > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things
> to
> > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away
> form
> > both magic and science to reality.
> >
> > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> >
> > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language,
> other?
> >
> > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta,
> > and
> > linked quanta as well.
> >
> > Some thoughts:
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > *~*~*~*~*~
> > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> >
> > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> >
> > Changing is the World around us,
> > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> >
> > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> >
> > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > A Pure Language:
> > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> > Truth.
> >
> > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go
> > of
> > his ming, or mind,
> > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
> > reach myself.
> >
> > ```````````` `````
> > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > Son's of Somerled
> > by Steve McDonald
> >
> > All You Can Know
> >
> > "Will a man sell his soul
> > When a man wants to know"
> > ...Memories are forever
> > "Will a man change his mind
> > Hoping to find"
> > ...Lost reality
> >
> > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> >
> > finishing
> >
> > Cheers :)
> > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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that is nice, only one info this time
 
Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well as the
Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times, hundreds
of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger and seen by
Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases: γνωθι
σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν (meden
agan = "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para
d'atē = "make a pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter
E.[8]

still have not understood what this coulde be
 
Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on Bohm...
--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM








On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still the
> Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away from
>

> -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
>

> the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of Bohm, I
> am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of "scientists"
> but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but after a
> while action is needed,
>

> ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I disagree ....
some
> have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can act
> as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I only
> grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when the
> veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> thing from learning!!
>

> Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define it
> --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over time?
> ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder why
> we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extincti on
> thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for immortality
> without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good mystery
> to check into.
>

> either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more actual
> reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the rational
> or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli tried
> to do? mayb maybe not.
> You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might have some
> answers, ----I will check this out.
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info, did
> so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
>

> The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> favorite), and other "three" things.
>

> They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always If
> (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the process a
> forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we are
> all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it is
> not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it is
> the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the black/white!
>

>
> the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big load,
> so?
>

> Step back and take a breather!
>

> you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in, but
> you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or rambling, to
> denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a fool
> , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
>

> --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That helps, if
> communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of thought ..
>

> I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get on
> well ...(example)
>

> ------------ --------- --
> So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities end,
> that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with no
> extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye or
> the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we reach
> the result much to see, and became literal...
> Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was active,
> Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin paves
> the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one wants to
> go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
>

>
> *Why?
> I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
>

> It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> easier to do!
>

>
> That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of course,
> but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the web
> offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the mind,
> it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your own
> mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your ideas or
> the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to work in
> all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
>

>
> For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could give
> varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates, if
> your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many attractors for
> the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
>

> I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
>

>
> Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain, the
> grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of the
> physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are now
> used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world, we
> examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live in
> the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
>

> Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two rings
> of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C be? I
> think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others) as
> 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I suspect.
>

> Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ... and
> if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot .. the
> High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
>

> but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until your
> eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and then
> your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you and
> them? ....
>

When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found, and it
> was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have been
> found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and explored.
>

> There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep our
> world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of what we
> have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
>

> Sally
>
> Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive writing
> this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> Regards,
> Thanasis
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss ionforum%
40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
>
>
> Some thoughts and a reply:
>
> Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was in
> response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> brought
> this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> subjects
> which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
> and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
>
> I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past
> as
> W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly expressed
> there in my own posts.
>
> I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
> Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
> mapping system of the antediluvian race.
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
>
> A reply slotted into your missive:
>
> New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched are
> they,
> i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens
> the
> forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't think
> so) in a yahoo group,
>
> While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact, nor
> michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
>
> This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
>
> colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed and
> unknown till then,
>
> I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
> remained the same, so?
>
> That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> (sighing) not even his own...why,
> -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> make
> the connections? ??
>
> Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such extracts
> as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky like
> dick was, both of them
> and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> spectacles, or was it
> relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
> course under the nucleus,
> which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which Jung
> denoted
> as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question,
> nor
> even Guidarjieff,
> but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language of
> the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to translation
> software.
>
> I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
>
> And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
> Likely not.
>
> Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> race,
> different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
>
> So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
> decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
>
> I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
>
> What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> science not magic,
> or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
>
> So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
> why? to to hel-p us all
> -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
>
> and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities,
> is
> like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed, i
> am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things to
> becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away form
> both magic and science to reality.
>
> I do find Crowley fascinating!
>
> Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language, other?
>
> The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta,
> and
> linked quanta as well.
>
> Some thoughts:
> *~*~*~*~*~
> *~*~*~*~*~
> Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> *~*~*~*~*~
> *~*~*~*~*~
> Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
>
> Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> The Implicate Order of David Bohm
>
> Changing is the World around us,
> in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
>
> Mysterious are the teachings of those
> who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> with their brilliance and accomplishments.
>
> Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> A Pure Language:
> Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> Truth.
>
> Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go
> of
> his ming, or mind,
> what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
> reach myself.
>
> ```````````` `````
> Written in response to the song on the Album:
> Son's of Somerled
> by Steve McDonald
>
> All You Can Know
>
> "Will a man sell his soul
> When a man wants to know"
> ...Memories are forever
> "Will a man change his mind
> Hoping to find"
> ...Lost reality
>
> ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
>
> finishing
>
> Cheers :)
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
> returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but still the
> Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away from
>


> -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
>




> the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had?
> possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of Bohm, I
> am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of "scientists"
> but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> post-------(?)-------, which means that discussion is good, but after a
> while action is needed,
>


> ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
>


> -------------------------------------------------Here I disagree .... some
> have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and the
> insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and can act
> as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have no
> business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I only
> grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and when the
> veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action under
> consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very differnt
> thing from learning!!
>


> Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say .. I
> must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ...   *WE LIVE THE WHOLE
> .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and define it
> --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> learning/writing/archiving/symbolizing/hoping for duration over time?
> ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I wonder why
> we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a time/space/extinction
> thing ... like building in stone?  Like a mind reaching for immortality
> without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES?  ... Memes are a good mystery
> to check into.
>


> either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather more actual
> reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the rational
> or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung Pauli tried
> to do? mayb maybe not.
> You can check http://rudhyar.com/ could not read much but might have some
> answers, ----I will check this out.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Gebser
> another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info, did
> so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info? ----------
>


> The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics the
> trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a personal
> favorite), and other "three" things.
>


> They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is always If
> (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the process a
> forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that we are
> all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and so
> mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers .. but it is
> not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** .. it is
> the result they are seeking.  ---they want to decode the black/white!
>




>
>  the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big load,
> so?
>


> Step back and take a breather!
>



> you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in, but
> you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish,  or rambling, to
> denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a fool
> , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
>


> --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of their
> expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That helps, if
> communication is the goal.  Being able to follow the train of thought ..
>


> I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not get on
> well ...(example)
>


> -----------------------
> So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities end,
> that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with no
> extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye or
> the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed
> nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we reach
> the result much to see, and became literal...
> Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books,
> that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was active,
> Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin paves
> the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one wants to
> go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
>


>
> *Why?
> I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer,  *
>


> It is EXACTLY the answer!  -- I am web addicted as well, it is so much
> easier to do!
>


>
> That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of course,
> but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the web
> offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the mind,
> it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your own
> mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your ideas or
> the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to work in
> all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
>


>
> For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could give
> varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates, if
> your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many attractors for
> the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
>


> I RECOMMEND MEDIATION!  Really,  ... It is powerful!
>


>
> Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain, the
> grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles,
> because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more, about
> myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we of the
> physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings, multiple
> dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which are now
> used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that world, we
> examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but live in
> the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
>


> Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba.  The B as two rings
> of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the C be?   I
> think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even others) as
> 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I suspect.
>


> Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity ... and
> if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed.   In Tarot .. the
> High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
>


> but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall until your
> eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and then
> your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but you and
> them?   ....
>

When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the Great
> Pyramid, you were well on your way.  This room was recently found, and it
> was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also have been
> found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and explored.
>


> There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can keep our
> world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of what we
> have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
>


> Sally
>
> Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive writing
> this one is to closed and concluding...
> Regards,
> Thanasis
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
>
>
> Some thoughts and a reply:
>
> Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was in
> response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I
> brought
> this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
> I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> subjects
> which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
> some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
> and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
>
> I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past
> as
> W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly expressed
> there in my own posts.
>
> I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
> Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
> mapping system of the antediluvian race.
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
>
> A reply slotted into your missive:
>
> New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched are
> they,
> i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens
> the
> forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't think
> so) in a yahoo group,
>
> While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact, nor
> michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
>
> This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
>
> colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed and
> unknown till then,
>
> I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
> remained the same, so?
>
> That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
> (sighing) not even his own...why,
> -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to
> make
> the connections? ??
>
> Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such extracts
> as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky like
> dick was, both of them
> and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
> spectacles, or was it
> relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
> course under the nucleus,
> which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which Jung
> denoted
> as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question,
> nor
> even Guidarjieff,
> but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language of
> the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to translation
> software.
>
> I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?
>
> And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
> Likely not.
>
> Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
> race,
> different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
>
> So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
> decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
>
> I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
>
> What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
> science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
> science not magic,
> or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
>
> So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
> attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
> why? to to hel-p us all
> -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
>
> and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities,
> is
> like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed, i
> am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things to
> becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away form
> both magic and science to reality.
>
> I do find Crowley fascinating!
>
> Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
> language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language, other?
>
> The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta,
> and
> linked quanta as well.
>
> Some thoughts:
> *~*~*~*~*~
> *~*~*~*~*~
> Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> *~*~*~*~*~
> *~*~*~*~*~
> Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
>
> Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> The Implicate Order of David Bohm
>
> Changing is the World around us,
> in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
>
> Mysterious are the teachings of those
> who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> with their brilliance and accomplishments.
>
> Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> A Pure Language:
> Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
> Truth.
>
> Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go
> of
> his ming, or mind,
> what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
> reach myself.
>
> ```````````` `````
> Written in response to the song on the Album:
> Son's of Somerled
> by Steve McDonald
>
> All You Can Know
>
> "Will a man sell his soul
> When a man wants to know"
> ...Memories are forever
> "Will a man change his mind
> Hoping to find"
> ...Lost reality
>
> ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
>
> finishing
>
> Cheers :)
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation, just
returned, to the Esoteric ater a long ride in other fields, but still the
Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away form the
value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils had? possibly, not
much to say if you understand the implicate orders of bohm, I am just trying to
reach my own, have discussed with a lot of "scientists" but the problem is not
the other asit is more oyu, ending the post, which means that�discussion is
good, but after a while action is needed, either way,in order to put what is
paved in words into a rather more actual reality I guess, speaking for myself,
and not loose yourself to the rational or the�irrational, but rather apporach
the whole, as Bohm�Jung�Pauli tried to do? mayb maybe not.
You can check http://rudhyar.com/�could not read much�but might have some
answers,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Gebser
another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the info, did so
could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
�the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big load, so?
you search for further applications or rather they find themselves in, but you
try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish,��or rambling, to denote,
everything one can not consider remids the person that he is a fool , but a fool
has many occasions and aspects,
So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities end, that we
can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is with no extrapolations,
but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third eye or the first but rather
theI I which leads to the why, if this is closed nothing happens, so the result
should be consciousness, but till we reach the result much to see, and became
literal...
Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the books, that is
thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was active, Guirjieff was
active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess Colin paves the way for the
new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one wants to go active he justs
acts and writes acording to the ways of the action.
Why?
I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer,
That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of course, but it
is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral, the web offers more
info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for the mind, it becomes
underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have your own mind and no what
you are looking for, you leave attachment to your ideas or the net, and just
work in the real, until you can develop enough to work in all possible ways
without losing the core, individuality maybe...
For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants could give
varied information, the info and what you are searching for dissipates, if your
mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many attractors for the
past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the identity, it is
all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not certain, the
grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the riddles, because I
am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about extraterrastrials, unless
they give me an ability to learn more, about myself or this world, they are of
no use, get what I mean? and we of the physics have multiple interpretations of
the quantum strings, multiple dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd
phenomena, which are now used, which means? that time and histry is not that
much in that world, we examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the
future but live in the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
�
Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive writing this
one is to closed and concluding...
Regards,
Thanasis
�


--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...> wrote:

From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@...>
Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM








Some thoughts and a reply:

Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was in
response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I brought
this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the subjects
which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it laps
some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.

I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past as
W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly expressed
there in my own posts.

I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
mapping system of the antediluvian race.

~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~

A reply slotted into your missive:

New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched are
they,
i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens the
forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't think
so) in a yahoo group,

While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact, nor
michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?

This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.

colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed and
unknown till then,

I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
remained the same, so?

That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
(sighing) not even his own...why,
-- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to make
the connections? ??

Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such extracts
as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky like
dick was, both of them
and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
spectacles, or was it
relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
course under the nucleus,
which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which Jung
denoted
as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question, nor
even Guidarjieff,
but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language of
the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to translation
software.

I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I am?

And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
Likely not.

Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
race,
different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?

So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?

I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.

What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
science not magic,
or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?

So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
why? to to hel-p us all
-- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!

and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities, is
like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed, i
am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things to
becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away form
both magic and science to reality.

I do find Crowley fascinating!

Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language, other?

The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta, and
linked quanta as well.

Some thoughts:
*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~
Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~
Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.

Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
The Implicate Order of David Bohm

Changing is the World around us,
in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.

Mysterious are the teachings of those
who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
with their brilliance and accomplishments.

Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
A Pure Language:
Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
Truth.

Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go of
his ming, or mind,
what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
reach myself.

```````````` `````
Written in response to the song on the Album:
Son's of Somerled
by Steve McDonald

All You Can Know

"Will a man sell his soul
When a man wants to know"
...Memories are forever
"Will a man change his mind
Hoping to find"
...Lost reality

```````````` ````````` ````````` `
Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?

finishing

Cheers :)
--- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Some thoughts and a reply:


Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it was in
response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that I brought
this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes ..
I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the subjects
which are under discussion in this area of inquiry.   ... However it laps
some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating cycles
and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.

I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in the past as
W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly expressed
there in my own posts.

I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the work of
Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who found the
mapping system of the antediluvian race.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

A reply slotted into your missive:

New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far fetched are
they,
i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally opens the
forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I don't think
so)  in a yahoo group,

While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact, nor
michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?

This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.

colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book, stashed and
unknown till then,

I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread, but
remained the same, so?

That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I guess
(sighing) not even his own...why,
-- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working harder to make
the connections???


Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such extracts
as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky like
dick was, both of them
and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
spectacles, or was it
relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a strict
course under the nucleus,
which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle, which Jung
denoted
as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question, nor
even Guidarjieff,
but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the language of
the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ...  Amara was like a gift to translation
software.

I think therefor I am. --old latin  I know that I think, therefore I am?

And the real question could anything be not connected with anything else?
Likely not.

Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human
race,
different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?

So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?

I fear you are rambling:  I brought over some books.

What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or
science not magic,
or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?

So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow get
attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I guess,
why? to to hel-p us all
-- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!

and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities, is
like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are transformed, i
am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things to
becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away form
both magic and science to reality.

I do find Crowley fascinating!

Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language, mind
language, emotional language, death language, subconscious language, other?


The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to quanta, and
linked quanta as well.



Some thoughts:
*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~
Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~
Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.

Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
The Implicate Order of David Bohm

Changing is the World around us,
in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.

Mysterious are the teachings of those
who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
with their brilliance and accomplishments.

Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
A Pure Language:
Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of changeless
Truth.

Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go of
his ming, or mind,
what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to
reach myself.

`````````````````
Written in response to the song on the Album:
Son's of Somerled
by Steve McDonald

All You Can Know

"Will a man sell his soul
When a man wants to know"
...Memories are forever
"Will a man change his mind
Hoping to find"
...Lost reality

```````````````````````````````
Did mankind sell it's soul?  Are we becoming a lost reality?


finishing

Cheers :)
--- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@...> wrote:


>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

New on the forum have not heard of pinker's ideas, bt how far fetched are they,i
have no information, but let me see beetter, a person named sally onpens the
forum and , another answers part of the warin heaven? in a yahoo group, while he
was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to contact, nor michale hayes
nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them? colin wilson met hayes
trying to find something else a book, stasshed and unknown till then, I joined
the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information spread but remained the
same, so?
that is the game, pinker nows little of language caus there are different kinds
of languages and he has explored only one and Iguess sighing not even his
own...why,
moving on after the random interval, burroughs used to launch such extracts as
these playing wiht languages gimmicks, but he was of course a junky like dick
was, both of them
and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of language
spectacles, or was it
relevant, as life is to one another, or as an elctron maintain a strict course
under the nucleuus,
which neucleus, of the semispheric appointance or of the circle, whihc Jung
denoted
as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the question, nor
ewven Guarjieff,
but the language of math, of the language of the computer? i think therefor I
am.
And the real question could anyting be not connected with anything else?
Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the human race,
different realities, ever dealt with downsyndrome, or autism?
So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and cannot
decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
 
What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or not?
science define science, why is there difference in magic to science, or science
otmagic,
or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is there?
 
So the passage is i try to passage this on the forum and somehow get attached
tospeaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people i guess, why? to to hel-p
us all
and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two personalities, is
like a chemical reaction, is there is any action both are transformed, i am too
tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave things to becoming, I
am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move away form boht magic and
science to realit.
 
EGyptian language, Cretan, chinese, dog language, body language, mind language,
emotional language, death language, subconscious language, other?
 
Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one let go of his
ming, or mind,
what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am trying to reach
myself.
 
finishing
 
Cheers :)
--- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@...> wrote:

From: realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@...>
Subject: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL to
Michael Hayes
To: colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 6:52 PM








Hi Sally,

I'm another author in this circle who's interested in consciousness, and Steven
Pinker's theories seem to support some of the information on this subject I
channeled for my 1988 book "War in Heaven". It's only a small step from the idea
that certain language skills are hardwired into our brains by the evolutionary
process to the idea that we inherit them through past-life memories. So here are
is a little more info on Pinker and his theories, for CWDF readers who might not
be familiar with his work:

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Steven_Pinker

Pinker's academic specializations are visual cognition and language development
in children, and he is most famous for popularizing the idea that language is an
"instinct" or biological adaptation shaped by natural selection. On this point,
he opposes Noam Chomsky and others who regard the human capacity for language to
be the by-product of other adaptations. He is the author of five books for a
general audience, which include The Language Instinct (1994), How the Mind Works
(1997), Words and Rules (2000), The Blank Slate (2002), and The Stuff of Thought
(2007). Pinker's books have won numerous awards and been New York Times
best-sellers.

Pinker is most famous for his work — popularized in The Language Instinct
(1994) — on how children acquire language, and for his popularization of Noam
Chomsky's work on language as an innate faculty of mind. Pinker has suggested an
evolutionary mental module for language, although this idea remains
controversial (see below). The Language Instinct is a book where Pinker argues
that humans are born with an innate capacity for language. In addition, he deals
sympathetically with the claim that all human language shows evidence of a
universal grammar. Additionally Pinker argues that many other human mental
faculties are adaptive (and is an ally of Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins in
many evolutionary disputes).

Pinker was born into the English-speaking Jewish community of Montreal. He has
said, "I was never religious in the theological sense... I never outgrew my
conversion to atheism at 13, but at various times was a serious cultural
Jew."[7] As a teenager, he says he considered himself an anarchist until he
witnessed civil unrest following a police strike in 1969.[8] In testing for
political orientation, he has been found "neither leftist nor rightist, more
libertarian than authoritarian. "

--- In colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com, "w_c_sally2000"
<wcsally@... > wrote:
>
> I am just arrived, you can call me Sally;
>
> I have been a student of the Esoteric for some years now, and joined this
group in an effort to expedite this task:
>
> I see the author (Michael Hayes) and some of his friends (Collin Wilson) are
interested in the nature of "consciousness" .. and there is a fellow who is
dedicating his time to this exact line of inquiry.
>
> He has more than a couple books, but his students rave about him (from
Facebook) ... so I though it only kind to forward this author to Mr. Hayes and
Mr. Wilson .. and any others who might be interested.
>
> http://pinker. wjh.harvard. edu/books/ stuff/index. html
>
> And to those authors, thank you, I have truly enjoyed your works.
>
> Sally
>



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you for the heads up! ... I will allocate some time and come over for
a visit.
Your choices for group titles are apropos .. we certainly are remaking our
views.
Happy Easter!

Sally

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:19 AM, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi folx,
>
> Here's a new URL for anyone who wants to read extensive archives of my
> writings, both old and new, and to engage in real-time discussions of 'em
> with me:
>
> http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yuku.com/
>
> The RS community contains all the material posted on the now inactive
> "Revolutionizing Reality" Yahoo Group and the defunct "Reality Checkpoint"
> MSN Group. The RC forum was moved intact to Yuku, and can be read in its
> original form, though new comments on the material there have to posted on
> RS.
>
> My ethics as a "spiritual revolutionary" don't allow me to profit from my
> work or even to promote it aggressively, so occasional notices like this are
> all I do....
>
> Best,
> Kyle
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi folx,

Here's a new URL for anyone who wants to read extensive archives of my writings,
both old and new, and to engage in real-time discussions of 'em with me:

http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yuku.com/

The RS community contains all the material posted on the now inactive
"Revolutionizing Reality" Yahoo Group and the defunct "Reality Checkpoint" MSN
Group.  The RC forum was moved intact to Yuku, and can be read in its original
form, though new comments on the material there have to posted on RS.

My ethics as a "spiritual revolutionary" don't allow me to profit from my work
or even to promote it aggressively, so occasional notices like this are all I
do....

Best,
Kyle

Hi Sally,

I'm another author in this circle who's interested in consciousness, and Steven
Pinker's theories seem to support some of the information on this subject I
channeled for my 1988 book "War in Heaven".  It's only a small step from the
idea that certain language skills are hardwired into our brains by the
evolutionary process to the idea that we inherit them through past-life
memories.  So here are is a little more info on Pinker and his theories, for
CWDF readers who might not be familiar with his work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker

Pinker's academic specializations are visual cognition and language development
in children, and he is most famous for popularizing the idea that language is an
"instinct" or biological adaptation shaped by natural selection. On this point,
he opposes Noam Chomsky and others who regard the human capacity for language to
be the by-product of other adaptations. He is the author of five books for a
general audience, which include The Language Instinct (1994), How the Mind Works
(1997), Words and Rules (2000), The Blank Slate (2002), and The Stuff of Thought
(2007). Pinker's books have won numerous awards and been New York Times
best-sellers.

Pinker is most famous for his work � popularized in The Language Instinct (1994)
� on how children acquire language, and for his popularization of Noam Chomsky's
work on language as an innate faculty of mind. Pinker has suggested an
evolutionary mental module for language, although this idea remains
controversial (see below). The Language Instinct is a book where Pinker argues
that humans are born with an innate capacity for language. In addition, he deals
sympathetically with the claim that all human language shows evidence of a
universal grammar. Additionally Pinker argues that many other human mental
faculties are adaptive (and is an ally of Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins in
many evolutionary disputes).

Pinker was born into the English-speaking Jewish community of Montreal. He has
said, "I was never religious in the theological sense... I never outgrew my
conversion to atheism at 13, but at various times was a serious cultural
Jew."[7] As a teenager, he says he considered himself an anarchist until he
witnessed civil unrest following a police strike in 1969.[8] In testing for
political orientation, he has been found "neither leftist nor rightist, more
libertarian than authoritarian."


--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, "w_c_sally2000" <wcsally@...>
wrote:
>
> I am just arrived, you can call me Sally;
>
> I have been a student of the Esoteric for some years now, and joined this
group in an effort to expedite this task:
>
> I see the author (Michael Hayes) and some of his friends (Collin Wilson) are
interested in the nature of "consciousness" .. and there is a fellow who is
dedicating his time to this exact line of inquiry.
>
> He has more than a couple books, but his students rave about him (from
Facebook) ... so I though it only kind to forward this author to Mr. Hayes and
Mr. Wilson .. and any others who might be interested.
>
> http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/books/stuff/index.html
>
> And to those authors, thank you, I have truly enjoyed your works.
>
> Sally
>

I am just arrived, you can call me Sally;

I have been a student of the Esoteric for some years now, and joined this group
in an effort to expedite this task:

I see the author (Michael Hayes) and some of his friends (Collin Wilson) are
interested in the nature of "consciousness" .. and there is a fellow who is
dedicating his time to this exact line of inquiry.

He has more than a couple books, but his students rave about him (from Facebook)
... so I though it only kind to forward this author to Mr. Hayes and Mr. Wilson
.. and any others who might be interested.

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/books/stuff/index.html

And to those authors, thank you, I have truly enjoyed your works.

Sally

Greetings,

Well, actually, it might not be important, but I do think
interesting.  It goes online today at Music and Vision at about 6 pm
Mountain Time (so for those in other time zones, you will have to
check).

Music and Vision is at:

http://www.mvdaily.com/

All best wishes,

Gordon Rumson

Thanks Michael I have just placed a pre order for it due on March 15-20
Looks interesting
Colin
--- In colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, "michaelshankland"
<HenryTudor23@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, a new Colin Wilson book with the above title is scheduled
> for publication early in 2009. Found a brief mention of it on
> Amazon.co.uk
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1905857985/ref=pe_5301_14045671_pe_ar_t1
>
> Looking forward to it as the Peak Experience is the CW subject that
> interests me the most.
>

Greetings, a new Colin Wilson book with the above title is scheduled
for publication early in 2009. Found a brief mention of it on
Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1905857985/ref=pe_5301_14045671_pe_ar_t1

Looking forward to it as the Peak Experience is the CW subject that
interests me the most.