“I Ching -- has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use
it spare-ingly.

(has tradition replaced prediction?)”
Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one through
the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..

I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
get there by any route currently available.

Appointing ... ... ... ???

The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
massive sources.
“Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
makes us slaves?”

Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in some
point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a fact,
will not expand on this,

Slaves to what? Or to whom?
Humanity in general or me and you?
And why because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in
physics things are perplexed… .. also in reply to your post below:***

AEther, now called Dark Matter I think, was a concept known to the ancients
.. and now considered to possibly be the home of the consciousness of us all
...
So if we are less aware of this part of reality than our predecessors, that
makes us susceptible to their influence in this area .. and this may be part
of what you call magic ... ... ???


“Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
offer up (although men will try and cheat at this ..
but long ago, men took dominion from women because women had learned to
cheat at this .. and so men became afraid of them.) ....”

Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
there are types of magic,
And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle.

*My perspective is that "Magic" as practiced here is the utilization of some
part of the life processes .. which involves interrupting them, and
redirecting them .. thus changing the natural order .. thus cheating the
natural order ... *


So also I do not get the following
“We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
of magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”

*It is said that when a woman is first in love, she is in love with the man,
but after that she is only in love with love (the force of reincarnation
here on Earth), and does not re-attain her first self .. as it has passed on
with the first experience .. (hopefully that resulted in a child she can
cherish). *

What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex!! ... Why is that? ..
He is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
My life was celibate as well.”

This is in reference to a story line on TV, but often they mimic life.

I get that you mean the TV evangelists? ---no, they just prey on the
succeptible.
Do not have such things in my country, --lucky you!

sex is the other way round *an overabundant case*, I guess it is mostly sex
as an enterprise of living.
*"Sex as making chopped liver of life in too many instances." *

“*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
dabble in people magic (sex) for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child
to
get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic (sex) or life-entanglements
for
humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.

That set of "nerves" and it's "activation" (*think ORMES*) is our connection
.. our link, our doorway to another quantum universe.
We abuse it, and that makes us diminished .. we abuse it and it makes our
children diminished before they have even come to realize they are again
living .. they are still in the transit zones for years when they are young,
but only the Essenes (and animals where the female is in control) allowed
their children to come to an age, before they opened that doorway and
changed the paths of consciousness. Predators lie in wait there as well! ..
I have met them.

Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic. ...???

The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
The children get lost in the too soon exploits of their undisciplined
parents.
It this makes you think of Brave New World and 1984 .. I read them, but the
ideas came from practice, not books in this case.

Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike

“People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
*I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the A!

I use the beginning as A and *O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite*,
but not empty, repentance, not repeating ---* I agree!!*


However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”

Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the symbolism
of silence
*Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..

To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote do to Quetzalcoatl!!
Did Double Coyote, Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl create the Unit of
reconstitution .. what Woman was called on the island of Malta in the old
language!! ... Who first called her mother?

thus Math is our only PURE language ... all other languages are only
approximations
of the ideas!*

Do not know, I am not such a big fan of math as approximations, of other
ideas, and though I use math, do not like the Pythagorean sacred analogies,
or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
or wrong, or true that is

*We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but when
he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ...
So the mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs
a
level for comparison.
When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on of
hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*

That would be better, healing without other needs…


I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
is usually our ending.

My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on the
computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain to
what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which stabilized
after a short period into my now writing, with only some small errors.

In those days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed
I do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
the letters that days…

My question is do yo want to understand? Sorry still problem writing.
I can still speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
language, why do it write like that ? There is the myth of all languages
coming from the same rotoof root, but do not know that it is so. If I try
to write quickly, then I have a proofor writing problem writing, if I do not
know if I don't and do not think of this then it all comes easily.

*```````````````I am working to understand through reading many books, and
typing online!
`````````````````````````````````````````````
Mayan Sacred Head Count?
However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
... and carved in stone! *”
To me it looks like the great spider of Nazca ... a woman dividing her child
by zero, making him into chopped liver for the necromancers of her age ...
thus did Double Coyote (and Tezcatlipoka) do to Quetzalcoatyl!!
Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree (which is the female
reproductive tract, if you look at it closely). Or Woman.
*

(metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance? --The Neters of Egypt and
the Serpents of S. America, as seen on the Raimondi Stelle of Chauvin de
Huantar --those are the living iron of life! I think Coatlique is really
Athena of the thigh of Zeus, and this was the making of his reincarnation
machine. She may be the goddess sitting on the waters on the mouth of the
god of the third age, on the lid of the coffin of Lord Pacal of Palenque ..
see Cotterell!! .. Very interesting stuff!! ).
However, we do it incorrectly .. in many instances = cheating!
We have become great cheaters of the fabric of life.

It is nothing new, the Dravidian Indians were also, and that is why the
Romans hated them so badly and drove them from Carthage and salted their
fields so they would not return. The Dravidians are the origins of Tantra
(I think).

Sally

That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department where
the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am nowhere
in that place....

Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and the
questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
reality.
(If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space, and
is not something different.
What we are taught to believe is that time and history for that matter is
linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
is reality)

In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.

This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
something...the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
hold in view...

There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
described-understood, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
one sum.)
So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
when people moved away in the tech world etc.
I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are in
similar conditions.

He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
Einstein refused to join the operational club.

What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
stable for very long periods of time.

*** It resonates on a separate quantum sheet or level or harmonic, but we
approach it, if only briefly when we procreate .. this is the link with
magic .. but others live there-those who are of the next level or resonance
(that energy we no longer perceive).
And some are sacrificed for this level, to keep other minds there (in a
grove there) .. like Quetzalcoatyl .. who was the lord of the Sacred Tree
(which is the female reproductive tract, if you look at it closely).

If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him, he
will be of much help.
That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
out what is going on…

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM, thanasis argiriou <
thanasisargiriou@...> wrote:

>
>
> “It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
> (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)”
> Maybe this time tradition and prediction become one, find either one
> through the other, but not of much importance as I see it now..
>
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
> Appointing? Time where?
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> “Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it
> this
> makes us slaves?”
> Reference? I am not so much in the idea of energy or matter, it came in
> some point as reality of history I do not know if there is really such a
> fact, will not expand on this,
> Slaves to what? Or to whom? Humanity in general or me and you? And why
> because we can not discern energy, and which kind of energy, in physics
> things are perplexed…
> “Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....”
> Do not get the point of offer up, and once in a lifetime, as for magic,
> there are types of magic,
> And I do not know to which you are talking about, except for speaking in
> general, MAGIC as process of living to the ends of miracle. So also I do not
> get the following
> “We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.”
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.”
>
> I get that you mean the TV evangelists? Do not have such things in my
> country, sex is the other way round an overabundant case, I guess it is
> mostly sex as an enterprise of living.
>
> “*If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> Nothing on the Essenes and what is meant by that, of the magic.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!”
>
> Good and bad, we all die, humans and dogs alike
>
> “People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
> I use the beginning as A and O as closed or tautology a sum that is finite,
> but not empty, repentance, not repeating
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *”
> Why? The amazement, cannot form any idea out of this except of the
> symbolism of silence
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
> Do not know, I am not such a big fun of math as approximations, of other
> ideas, and though I use math, do not like the pythagorian sacred analogies,
> or harmony of the universe, but that does not mean they might not be right
> or wrong, or true that is
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
> That would be better, healing without other needs…
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> My dyslexic typing came in an weird experience, I was unable to write on
> the computer, and felt like I was bound with the network, I am not certain
> to what happened, but I had a problem writing for several days which
> stabilized after a short period into my now writing, with only some small
> errors.
> That days it was very difficult to write, but because a year has passed I
> do not know if I am just projecting about “connections” or it was just a
> short circuit of the brain. The other part of this is that in the process,
> it was the opposite of what you describe, it is like binding the two
> hemispheres of your brain, at least that is the memory that has remained,
> but I might also be exaggerating, difficult to see that now. That is one of
> the letters that days…
> My question is do yo want to undertand? Soory still problem writing.
> I can stilll speak fairly woel, as in the past. One thing come to my mind
> language, why do it write liek that ? There is the myth of all languages
> comeing from the same rotoof root, but don ot kowo that it is so. If I try
> to write quickly, then I ahve a profor writing problem writing, if I do not
> know if I dont and do not tihnk of this then it all comes eaisly.
> Mayan Sacred Head Count?
> (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?).
> Cheating?
>
> Sally
> That is also one of the other parts of that days I had my own clear ideas,
> many ideas, and many weird and difficult period, mail to a friend…
> To see the picture one should return again to the vagueness department
> where the world and therefore his mind has no strict form, and know I am
> nowhere in that place....
>
> Things are much more complicated, the approach of mind and physics Jung and
> Pauli tried could be a more functional base on which to examine phenomena,
> but have to go towards that scope, opening the mind to self questioning.
> What I wrote before in the mail was of a history of science, science and
> the questioning mind could approach and find some answers that could be
> evaluated, which if proven could question the nature of our founded tech
> reality.
> (If reality is comprised from historic effects in the linear time space,
> and is not something different.
> What we are tought to believe is that time and history for that matter is
> linear, and each event follows the other, past can not interract with the
> future nor the present, it helps us a lot in the depictions, but I do not
> know if it is so, it is classical logic and we think in this way but i doubt
> is reality)
>
> In a sense, some operationists, such as the phsyicist Percy Bridgmann who
> started it all, while maintaining that knowledge was limited to observation
> and thus theories, such as QM and standard planetary model of the atom, were
> not the same as realities, but he was in fact, rather solopsistic is saying
> that every observation was unique, and involved the mind, experience,
> sensory capabilities, etc. of the observer.
>
> This was what I called a condition, but as I said there are a wide variety
> of conditions that depict different things. The distribution of conditions
> gives our reality, the how I do not know, but i want to understand, and I
> try to get as many conditions as possible. The rarest coditions give one a
> much more different reality than the usual ones, which of course means
> something...the problem is that one forgets is that the condition is
> internal and external alike, meaning that there is no split world in a
> depiction of conditions of observer and observant which is very difficult to
> hold in view...
> There could be something that one would call whole? conditions that would
> could be many condtions at the same time, meaning that when in one condition
> the others do not exist but when in a more whole condition lesser can be
> described-understood, do not know, ( had rare times a view of people as
> animals and language behavior and the environement were trying to merg in
> one sum.)
> So in a classical condition chaos disappears, or in a philosophy of science
> it becames something different and if philosophy of science becomes the main
> general condition for scientists, then much of science may disappear, as
> will the TV if the condition of spectator disolves, as did myth and folklore
> when people moved away in the tech world etc.
> I also guess that when we understand each other it is because we are
> in similar conditions.
>
> He was prompted by the changes in quantum and relativity of his generation.
> Einstein refused to join the operational club.
> What you say is very eloquent and basically true. Nothingness is not only
> Tao, but at the foundation of almost all mystical traditions, whether
> Chirstian, Jewish, Hindi, etc.
> I do believe that there is a reality independent of human existence, but
> that we cannot know it adequately (we get some clues), we do interact with
> it, it and we being changed by the interaction, and that fundamental
> physical features of the universe are not permanent, but some are very
> stable for very long periods of time.
>
> If you know anyone that is active in this department tell me to mail him,
> he will be of much help.
> That, in all now I just want some relevant peace, and resolution, to find
> out what is going on…
>
> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@... <wcsally%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a URL
> to Michael Hayes
> To:
colinwilsondiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com<colinwilsondiscussionforum%40yahoogro\
ups.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:19 PM
>
>
> Cube of thoth?
> triple octave?
> For these in good detail I recommend Michael Hayes book The Hermetic Code
> in
> DNA
> If you prefer circles .. the circles in the Flower of Life are elegant in
> example!
>
> I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> correct? ... also too many.
> Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form the
> mind I guess going into circles would be more appropriate. So philosophy I
> have some books, but only synopsis.
> Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> 1) matter and energy,
> 2) of magic
> 3) of prediction,
>
> matter energy magic and prediction are linked,
> the i ching the book of changes would be something of the heraclitian flow
> containing everything, and that in mirroring our touch or contact with it,
> would lead to knowledge of ourselves thus also a prediction of the future?
>
> It has always been correct for me, but I do not over use it, I use it
> spare-ingly.
>
> have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> translation I should read?
> I could not answer you on this one, I have the big yellow edition, but have
> not seen it since we moved.
>
> in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition, (has
> tradition replaced prediction?)
> or? do not know ----
> I'd rather not do any appointing at this time. I am in a very big flux
> space at the moment! ... AND it is likely my time here will be shorter,
> rather than longer. I am not at my proper place, and it seems I will not
> get there by any route here.
>
> E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to two,
> just or whatever dimensional change you want...
> Beside me a person is playing a game, he tries to build a village but this
> village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> Kereny, the language of myth?
> having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four exodes
> east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
>
> The whole of our perceived universe is surrounded by energy from many and
> massive sources.
> Energy which we seem to have lost the ability to perceive. I wonder it this
> makes us slaves?
>
> Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to make
> combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes is
> the highest of order, at least this we do in science...
>
> So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> transformation of will into the environment, or the transformation of the
> self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
>
> Magic is *for people* only once in a lifetime, we have only one self to
> offer up (although men will try and cheat at this .. but long ago, men took
> dominion from women because women had learned to cheat at this .. and so
> men
> became afraid of them.) ....
>
> We will not know real peace until we have recouped our honor on the field
> of
> magic .. because that field is where all the grand *issues* emanate.
>
> What does the TV wizard tell his acolytes? .. No sex. ... why is that? ..
> He
> is using them, and they would take back their own rights to their proper
> power if they did engage. ... But he holds them in thrall.
> My life was celibate as well.
>
> *If you were an Essene, and your betrothed had a male child, you would not
> dabble in people magic for a minimum of 7 years ... to allow the child to
> get to it's feet, and solidify it's bearings.
> If you had a girl child .. it would be 3 years.
> The Essene's understood the sanctity of magic or life-entanglements for
> humans and it's repercussions upon the life of a human ... Something that
> most of humanity has not accomplished .. much to our distress.
>
> The good they die young .. you turn around and they're gone!
>
> People become enamored of the magic, and then they lose their honor.*
>
> careful my misspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> using
> the dictionary,
> but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> you
> notice many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> beginning o as the closed circle
> or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
>
> *I think the beginning was not an O but the pyramid over the mastaba, the
> A!
>
> However if you look at the Mayan Sacred Head Count ... you find Zero is a
> woman with her hand in/over her mouth. .... This is pretty amazing teaching
> ... and carved in stone! *
>
> A linguistic analysis, is that there are separate dynamics in the order of
> the language and that of ideas, language has its own form and ideas are
> formed through, it,
>
> *Ideas are dependent upon the language to give them a clear expression ..
> thus Math is our only PURE language ... all others are only approximations
> of the ideas!*
>
> the how they are stored and apprehended, how they manifest gives us much as
> to what they are, but still it is just a projection of thought, a math
> analysis, or logical and does not help perceive any higher order functions,
> as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or healing, or opening
> reality
> in its other functions..or does it?
>
> the limitations of language or thought is seen --- only if one has on order
> the latter lucidity,
>
> *We can learn to think without language .. the hunter does this ... but
> when
> he takes his game to market, he is happy he learned to barter ... So the
> mind can manage this without going to a higher level .. it only needs a
> level for comparison.
> When a person of the tribe is hurt, the closest will try and enfold him/her
> in the aura of their own being to try and help with healing ... laying on
> of
> hands is another semi-intuitive level jump.*
>
> I have dyslexic typing as well ... it comes from the time when someone
> splits the whole of your being .. to run circles around you for 'a next
> coming' (metaphoric living iron trying to be insurance?). It is a tricky
> process, and I think it should only happen when one is reborn ... but we
> have become a world of cheaters ... and it will not serve us ... it will
> only serve for a time, and then it will demand it's recompense .. and that
> is usually our ending.
>
> Sally
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:33 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Cube of thoth?
> >
> > triple octave?
> >
> > I ching, should read that, but the things to read are too many, and to
> > right also too many.
> > Language is the scripture of the mind but if you want to move away form
> th
> > emind I guess going into cirles would be more appropriate. So philosophy
> I
> > have some books, but only synopsis.
> > Your answer if I take it of a sum that leads to antoher some, would be of
> > 1)matter and energy,
> > 2) of magic
> > 3) of prediction,
> >
> > matter energy magic and prediction are linked, the i ching the book of
> > changes would be
> > something of the heraclitian flow containing everthing, and that in
> > mirroring our touch or contact with it, would lead to kowledge of
> ourselves
> > thus also a prediction of the future?
> > have not read the book of changes, proposition as to which of the
> > translation I should read?
> >
> > in this the 3 that you appoint me to is science, magic, tradition,
> > or? do not know
> >
> > E is the 5 in Greek, so they say,
> > 12 in the zodiac ,6/8/9
> > c is the light speed squaring if light in square equals to magic, that
> > square is either the qube, entering into higher dimensions, from 1 to
> two,
> > jsut or whatever dimensional change you want...
> > Beside me a person is palying a game, he tries to build a village but
> this
> > village is the traditional form of the city, as described in Jung and
> > Kereny, the language of myth?
> > having two circles one inside the other and a cross leading to four
> exodes
> > east west south north, the whole village is surrounded by water in a
> circle.
> >
> > Last, I do not know if the math or allocations are true I just try to
> make
> > combination, the combination that has the ability to depict all outcomes
> is
> > the highest of order, at elast this we do in science...
> > So again one question why philosophy? magic is that act of wonder, or the
> > trasformation of will into hte environement, or the transformation of the
> > self, which would give environmental change, more or less, philosophy is?
> > carefull my missspelling is not acquired, I could right, in other orders
> > using the dictionary,
> > but i let it go free in order to advocate changes of what I think, so if
> > you notic many changes o codex could be formed...o instead of a a as the
> > beginning o as the closed circle
> > or repeeating changes e? i do not kknow yer, or yet, k?
> > A linguistic analysis, is that there are seperate dynamics in the order
> of
> > the language and that of ideas, language has its own fomr and ideas are
> > formed throuth, it, the how they are stored and apprehanded, how the
> > manifest gives us muc as to what they are, but still it is just a
> projection
> > of thought, a math analysis, or logical and doesn not help perceive any
> > higher order functions, as enaisthisia, or telepathy, or telekinesis, or
> > healing, or opening reality in its other functions..or does it? the
> > limitations of language or thought is seen only if one has on order the
> > latter lucidity,
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail.
> com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> URL
> > to Michael Hayes
> > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilsondiscuss
> ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
> >
> >
> > I did neglect to say I had not finished Hayes book on DNA, and after your
> > query on *E* .. I read a page .. on E
> > Where he links it to E=mc-squared ... and C-squared it seems is the Magic
> > Cube of Thoth or the 64 of the I Ching ...
> >
> > It is quite amazing that all falls so neatly to patterns we can grasp.
> >
> > Do remember that the zodiac is 12, and the middle, and that our system is
> > teaching us only 6/8/and 9 as the triple octave ... somewhere along the
> way
> > we will have to fit in the missing 3 ...
> >
> > You have a great deal on your mind ... you need a good database
> > philosophy!!
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:36 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks the hierarchy is one of them and also the fractal
> > >
> > > something from the past, specification and scale hierarchy result into
> > > fractals, if one sees the structure of specific fractals like the
> > > mandelport,
> > > No videos this time no wierd writing,
> > > Have Jungs the problems of modern soul, and reading carefully I
> > discovered
> > > a pattern repeating, the analysis is that Jung worked both as an
> > istologist
> > > connecting
> > > and a surgeon going in the deep or multiple levels, so it seems like an
> > > ordering hierarchy...
> > > Back a while I had discussed that with josephson or tried to do so,
> > setting
> > > the phase space into the human individual and its movements, but you
> can
> > > also do that,
> > > in planets, molecules, ideas, species, historical functions, which is.
> > > ORders? do not know yet, but as the order of what you think opens up so
> > > does the explaining circles, and if it is clear your mind you find the
> > > pattern here stored, and can explore a lagern pattern.
> > >
> > > So? the pattern of exploration or latent individuality goes that
> > > exploration might go inert, to find the appreciation of the external,
> and
> > > then again open up, like the spiral,
> > > but the way is to break the pattern, and indivisualise, into the why,
> > > because I have dealth in this for quite a while, I have extreme
> > > synchronicities, and also feedback into what I am saying or viewing,
> like
> > an
> > > echo, but only when the people I talk to are simple minded and my mind
> is
> > > clear,
> > > so in reality we might be just be echoing, a greater intellect? do not
> > know
> > > yet, hard to see that, I must go inert, John mikes, thinks like that,
> > your
> > > thought how it goe s I have not deciphered
> > >
> > > the vector space of regulated functions on
> > > [a; b] .fLinearity of integration is a familiar requirement: to
> integrate
> > a
> > >
> > > polynomial, it su ces to be able to integrate xn for n = 0; 1; 2; 3; :
> :
> > :
> > > .g
> > > this is from a paper of bourbaki school, which was a school that tried
> to
> > > envelop all of the mathematics, into a new form and structure and base,
> > > something like a wholon of an hierarchy...
> > > going there to hierarchy, there are specific structures in which the
> > > DNA? dna too vague, the mind ? also vague? the species express in form
> > > according to koestler,? and also
> > > the orbits of the planets and the structure of the planet themselves in
> > > order to become planets or the stars? or the nebulae, so it goes?
> > > form one face continuity of structure, leading into different structure
> > > according to scale, from the other discontinuity of structure that lead
> > to
> > > larger structures, split structures,
> > >
> > > from the math analysis we have fractals when we open up space and time
> > and
> > > again when space opens up larger, but this would also mean space going
> on
> > to
> > > time, so time
> > > going on larger or smaller, according to a continuum of time and space
> > > from the other hand we have split patterns not of fractalic origin like
> > the
> > > quantum wave, of possibility invariant to time and godelic universes?
> > have
> > > not ventured into closed time spavvel line, for this to expand we only
> > want
> > > the core, os koestler tried to ,, with eadch one of his discoveries
> > > the invariant left from all the fog, or the signal left from the noise
> > > which is? trying to remember, the new species comes from the foetus,
> the
> > > new human is not this shape, but the shape of the phoetus, which in the
> > > fractal of time designates
> > > all forms of the verterbrates? as the pig designates similarities with
> > > the juamn, or human...
> > >
> > > polynomial?
> > >
> > > the statistics gives as hierarchies in which we try to pave, of all the
> > > moments, or =all the scripture, reseting, the spiral gives a form going
> > back
> > > 3 to 7 adding the four,
> > > or the 10 or is it the opposite, do not remember how the fibonacci is
> > > paved, but the vague analysis goes to numbers in the trinity, black and
> > > white, one up and form up one up
> > > or 1 to 3 and then again two to 5 and other noumeric distances, still
> in
> > > the vagues and can not find the right picture...
> > > Anyway, I just try to pave the origins of the species, with info, not
> > > clear enough...
> > >
> > > hve ot work al lto in that, clearing all that I have...nd inserting new
> > and
> > > also getting money to be able to travel, but of course need a lot of
> > > taxonomy and rapid analysis which
> > > to get and which to leave, along with myself, the human spectacle is a
> > sum,
> > > or a shum, do not remember how frowd is written, and it goes one needs
> > all
> > > the help he can get, from himself and others...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> <wcsally%40gmail.
> > com>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send a
> > URL
> > > to Michael Hayes
> > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:52 AM
> > >
> > > My problem is I have too many ideas what it could be and none are
> > > verifiable!
> > >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that is nice, only one info this time
> > > >
> > > > Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo, as well
> as
> > > the
> > > > Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle. Even in Roman times,
> > > > hundreds of votive statues remained, described by Pliny the Younger
> and
> > > seen
> > > > by Pausanias. Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
> > γνωθι
> > > > σεαυτόν (gnothi seauton = "know thyself") and μηδέν άγαν
(meden agan
> =
> > > > "nothing in excess"), and Εγγύα πάρα δ'ατη (eggua para
d'atē = "make
> a
> > > > pledge and mischief is nigh"),[7] as well as a large letter E.[8]
> > > >
> > > > still have not understood what this coulde be
> > > >
> > > > Should remember to read Bohm implicate and explicate, and Peat;s on
> > > Bohm...
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > com>>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to send
> a
> > > URL
> > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson discuss
> > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:28 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:51 AM, thanasis argiriou <
> > > > thanasisargiriou@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks Sally, I was wondering if there would be any reciprocation,
> > just
> > > > > returned, to the Esoteric after a long ride in other fields, but
> > still
> > > > the
> > > > > Esoteric, is a small word, a definition that guides the humans away
> > > from
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----------I would say toward, in the modern day!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > the value of something like the Indians or other non-split civils
> > had?
> > > > > possibly, not much to say if you understand the implicate orders of
> > > Bohm,
> > > > I
> > > > > am just trying to reach my own, have discussed with a lot of
> > > "scientists"
> > > > > but the problem is not the other asit is more you, ending the
> > > > > post-------( ?)------- , which means that discussion is good, but
> > after
> > > a
> > > > > while action is needed,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----Bohm is awesome!! --not difficult!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -Here I
> disagree
> > > > .... some
> > > > > have the capacity to act, and some like myself lack the wisdom and
> > the
> > > > > insight to do the work ......so it falls to the masters who see and
> > can
> > > > act
> > > > > as one function of their being ... me I am only learning, and have
> no
> > > > > business sticking my toes in the water ... trying my hand at what I
> > > only
> > > > > grasp vaugely though a river of words and concepts ........if and
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > veil lifts, and I know I understand ... then I might take action
> > under
> > > > > consideration .. but until I had certainty .. action is a very
> > differnt
> > > > > thing from learning!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Language is the functional element of learning .. but does one say
> ..
> > I
> > > > > must get a drink, before getting a drink, ... no ... *WE LIVE THE
> > WHOLE
> > > > > .. EVERY DAY* ... it is the reaching brain trying to grasp and
> define
> > > it
> > > > > --- that pushes this other front of actions . the
> > > > > learning/writing/ archiving/ symbolizing/ hoping for duration over
> > > time?
> > > > > ---------- so that we may help others in a cognitive way? ... I
> > wonder
> > > > why
> > > > > we feel this is better? ... I wonder if that is a
> time/space/extincti
> > > on
> > > > > thing ... like building in stone? Like a mind reaching for
> > immortality
> > > > > without copying itself into flesh? Like MEMES? ... Memes are a good
> > > > mystery
> > > > > to check into.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > either way,in order to put what is paved in words into a rather
> more
> > > > actual
> > > > > reality I guess, speaking for myself, and not loose yourself to the
> > > > rational
> > > > > or the irrational, but rather apporach the whole, as Bohm Jung
> Pauli
> > > > tried
> > > > > to do? mayb maybe not.
> > > > > You can check http://rudhyar. com/ could not read much but might
> > have
> > > > some
> > > > > answers, ----I will check this out.
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Jean_Gebser
> > > > > another info, i will check the amara indians and thanks for the
> info,
> > > did
> > > > > so could not find relevence in the net, could you pass info?
> > ----------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The Amara language is the Trine or three way choice .. it mimics
> the
> > > > > trinity, the triple octave (if you will) and the Merkaba (a
> personal
> > > > > favorite), and other "three" things.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They always tell us comps think in on/off ... not true .. it is
> > always
> > > If
> > > > > (on/or/off) then... the then is the third choice ... It makes the
> > > process
> > > > a
> > > > > forward movment ... it is not a secret of any kind, it is just that
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > all told it is binary ... they do not express the other aspect and
> so
> > > > > mislead many ... I have known many looking for binary answers ..
> but
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > not the black/white .. it is ****what the black white causes**** ..
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > the result they are seeking. ---they want to decode the
> black/white!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the problem is that after a while it becomes an overload, and a big
> > > load,
> > > > > so?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Step back and take a breather!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > you search for further applications or rather they find themselves
> > in,
> > > > but
> > > > > you try to rediscover, whatever you think now as jiberish, or
> > rambling,
> > > > to
> > > > > denote, everything one can not consider remids the person that he
> is
> > a
> > > > fool
> > > > > , but a fool has many occasions and aspects,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --------people are not fools, it is our lack of comprehension of
> > their
> > > > > expression, and so we try to structure how we communicate ... That
> > > helps,
> > > > if
> > > > > communication is the goal. Being able to follow the train of
> thought
> > ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I do all my math on paper with squares on it ... math and I do not
> > get
> > > on
> > > > > well ...(example)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------ --------- --
> > > > > So clearing ones mind it would help him decipher, as for humanities
> > > end,
> > > > > that we can only find reaching humanities ends, and ours that is
> with
> > > no
> > > > > extrapolations, but with certainty, opening the eyes, not the third
> > eye
> > > > or
> > > > > the first but rather theI I which leads to the why, if this is
> closed
> > > > > nothing happens, so the result should be consciousness, but till we
> > > reach
> > > > > the result much to see, and became literal...
> > > > > Colin and I guess maybe Hayes? were scholars, that is why of the
> > books,
> > > > > that is thier puprose? that is what they seek info, Crowley, was
> > > active,
> > > > > Guirjieff was active, Uspensky was, Jung was, Pauli was, i guess
> > Colin
> > > > paves
> > > > > the way for the new sites, bringing along all this info, but if one
> > > wants
> > > > to
> > > > > go active he justs acts and writes acording to the ways of the
> > action.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Why?
> > > > > I guess everyone follows his one path, but that is no answer, *
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It is EXACTLY the answer! -- I am web addicted as well, it is so
> much
> > > > > easier to do!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That for now, I have become web addicted, talking more wirting of
> > > course,
> > > > > but it is not much help have to become reattached to the latteral,
> > the
> > > > web
> > > > > offers more info than books, but it is also mcu more tasking for
> the
> > > > mind,
> > > > > it becomes underdeveloped, and cut the connetion, in ordr to have
> > your
> > > > own
> > > > > mind and no what you are looking for, you leave attachment to your
> > > ideas
> > > > or
> > > > > the net, and just work in the real, until you can develop enough to
> > > work
> > > > in
> > > > > all possible ways without losing the core, individuality maybe...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For further discussion ofline, you see though many particaipants
> > could
> > > > give
> > > > > varied information, the info and what you are searching for
> > dissipates,
> > > > if
> > > > > your mind is not strong enough, and mine is not yet, too many
> > > attractors
> > > > for
> > > > > the past, and the civil, I get lost, and I dfo not like loosing the
> > > > > identity, it is all that I am, and it feels awful, not aweful..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I RECOMMEND MEDIATION! Really, ... It is powerful!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last there seems to be soemtihng with the letters but I am not
> > certain,
> > > > the
> > > > > grreks liked thme very much, The E in Delphy, is on e of the
> riddles,
> > > > > because I am of the physcis depart, do not like talk much about
> > > > > extraterrastrials, unless they give me an ability to learn more,
> > about
> > > > > myself or this world, they are of no use, get what I mean? and we
> of
> > > the
> > > > > physics have multiple interpretations of the quantum strings,
> > multiple
> > > > > dimensions, timetravel and other sorts of wierd phenomena, which
> are
> > > now
> > > > > used, which means? that time and histry is not that much in that
> > world,
> > > > we
> > > > > examine the apst but we live in the now, we wxamine the future but
> > live
> > > > in
> > > > > the now, both past and future are possibiliteis,
> > > > > and the soul? welive or leave waht we have in order to discover it?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Letters: I think of the A as a pyramid over a mastaba. The B as two
> > > rings
> > > > > of dominion on the staff of power of the Sumerinas, what might the
> C
> > > be?
> > > > I
> > > > > think it would be a fun exercise to make all the alphabet (even
> > others)
> > > > as
> > > > > 3D letters ..The Greek Alphabet would be even more insightful, I
> > > suspect.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Those action people you spoke of are the real teachers of humanity
> > ...
> > > > and
> > > > > if one walks with you for a time, you have been blessed. In Tarot
> ..
> > > the
> > > > > High Priestess teaches only in secret, like the Egyptians ..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > but Egyptians were even more so .. They made you look at a wall
> until
> > > > your
> > > > > eyes blured the image of the side walls into the front wall ... and
> > > then
> > > > > your mind may have changed forever ... but who would know .. but
> you
> > > and
> > > > > them? ....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > When you grasped this lesson in the hall of the initiates under the
> > Great
> > > > > Pyramid, you were well on your way. This room was recently found,
> and
> > > it
> > > > > was finally decided what it was. ... The coffin of Ptah may also
> have
> > > > been
> > > > > found, and the water logged tunnels below are being drained and
> > > explored.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is more forgotten there than we have learned, but if we can
> > keep
> > > > our
> > > > > world stable and our lives on track we may yet gain some measure of
> > > what
> > > > we
> > > > > have lost, and (IMVHO) we have lost quite a bit.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sally
> > > > >
> > > > > Liked it more when i wrote in ramblings, much more comprehensive
> > > writing
> > > > > this one is to closed and concluding.. .
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Thanasis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com
> > > <wcsally%40gmail.
> > > > com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Sally Kaiser <wcsally@gmail. com <wcsally%40gmail. com>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Colin Wilson Discussion Forum] Re: I was trying to
> send
> > a
> > > > URL
> > > > > to Michael Hayes
> > > > > To: colinwilsondiscussi onforum@yahoogro ups.com<colinwilson
> discuss
> > > > ionforum% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts and a reply:
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I reply I have to say I have not yet read Pinker's books, it
> > was
> > > > in
> > > > > response to emotive and heady items from students on Facebook that
> I
> > > > > brought
> > > > > this over, and in doing so hoped to connect with Wilson and Hayes
> ..
> > > > > I have not yet put down a concrete formalization of my ideas on the
> > > > > subjects
> > > > > which are under discussion in this area of inquiry. ... However it
> > laps
> > > > > some of my other areas .. including that of Memes .. and repeating
> > > cycles
> > > > > and "the Chemical Wedding" concept.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been a frequent poster over on Graham Hancock's boards in
> the
> > > past
> > > > > as
> > > > > W_C_Sally, and my view on things (molten though it is) is fairly
> > > > expressed
> > > > > there in my own posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also ask if any of you have looked at or are familiar with the
> work
> > > of
> > > > > Carl Munck a mathematician, whose book I am waiting for .. who
> found
> > > the
> > > > > mapping system of the antediluvian race.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~* ~
> > > > >
> > > > > A reply slotted into your missive:
> > > > >
> > > > > New on the forum have not heard of Pinker's ideas, but how far
> > fetched
> > > > are
> > > > > they,
> > > > > i have no information, but let me see better, a person named sally
> > > opens
> > > > > the
> > > > > forum and , another answers (part of the war in heaven? --no I
> don't
> > > > think
> > > > > so) in a yahoo group,
> > > > >
> > > > > While he was trying to send a url, to michael hayes, unable to
> > contact,
> > > > nor
> > > > > michale hayes nor colin wilson, so should one find either of them?
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems very hard to do, short of writing to them through Inner
> > > > > Traditions Press .. and then the missive may languish .. it seems.
> > > > >
> > > > > colin wilson met hayes trying to find something else -- a book,
> > stashed
> > > > and
> > > > > unknown till then,
> > > > >
> > > > > I joined the forum to talk to Colin 2 years ago, information
> spread,
> > > but
> > > > > remained the same, so?
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the game, Pinker knows little of language because there are
> > > > > different kinds of languages and he has explored only one and I
> guess
> > > > > (sighing) not even his own...why,
> > > > > -- insights come easy in strange waters, where one is working
> harder
> > to
> > > > > make
> > > > > the connections? ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving on after the random interval, Burroughs used to launch such
> > > > extracts
> > > > > as these playing with languages gimmicks, but he was of course a
> > junky
> > > > like
> > > > > dick was, both of them
> > > > > and thus returning to info as Becket, did, the irrelevant of
> language
> > > > > spectacles, or was it
> > > > > relevant, as life is to one another, or as an electron maintain a
> > > strict
> > > > > course under the nucleus,
> > > > > which nucleus, of the semi-spheric appointance or of the circle,
> > which
> > > > Jung
> > > > > denoted
> > > > > as abraxas. Or was it hesse? i guess both, but that is not the
> > > question,
> > > > > nor
> > > > > even Guidarjieff,
> > > > > but the language of math, of the language of the computer?
> > > > > The computer can do what it does, and translate because of the
> > language
> > > > of
> > > > > the AMARA Indians of Peru. ... ... ... Amara was like a gift to
> > > > translation
> > > > > software.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think therefor I am. --old latin I know that I think, therefore I
> > am?
> > > > >
> > > > > And the real question could anything be not connected with anything
> > > else?
> > > > > Likely not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Enaisthisia, after pain and suffering, and the appointment of the
> > human
> > > > > race,
> > > > > different realities, ever dealt with down syndrome, or autism?
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is the question here, not mine which is very peculiar and
> > > cannot
> > > > > decipher it myself, but yours, and Collins, and Hayes?
> > > > >
> > > > > I fear you are rambling: I brought over some books.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the difference between magic and science? define magic or
> > not?
> > > > > science define science, why is there difference in magic to
> science,
> > or
> > > > > science not magic,
> > > > > or why is there magic, or why there is science? or science is
> there?
> > > > >
> > > > > So the passage is I try to passage this on the forum and somehow
> get
> > > > > attached to speaking to either hayes or colins, conscious people I
> > > guess,
> > > > > why? to to hel-p us all
> > > > > -- if this happens you need to take a serious break from your PC!
> > > > >
> > > > > and maybe understand some other things, the meeting of two
> > > personalities,
> > > > > is
> > > > > like a chemical reaction, *~IF* there is any action both are
> > > transformed,
> > > > i
> > > > > am too tired to act in any other way, but even so, I cannot pave
> > things
> > > > to
> > > > > becoming, I am not a magician like crowly was, i just try to move
> > away
> > > > form
> > > > > both magic and science to reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do find Crowley fascinating!
> > > > >
> > > > > Egyptian language, Cretan, Chinese, dog language, body language,
> mind
> > > > > language, emotional language, death language, subconscious
> language,
> > > > other?
> > > > >
> > > > > The need to communicate is rather ubiquitous, it even applies to
> > > quanta,
> > > > > and
> > > > > linked quanta as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some thoughts:
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Open your senses and the world becomes magic,
> > > > > Closed like a clam - the world is mundane.
> > > > > ~ Doing all this in private? .. Priceless!
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > *~*~*~*~*~
> > > > > Changeless-esque = The Hermetic Wisdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > Constant are the Forms of Plato, and ...
> > > > > The Implicate Order of David Bohm
> > > > >
> > > > > Changing is the World around us,
> > > > > in belief and accepted actions and thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mysterious are the teachings of those
> > > > > who were great thinkers; who worked in stone,
> > > > > who taught in secret; who tempted us to be more
> > > > > with their brilliance and accomplishments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lost from our wisdom is the age old language
> > > > > Which allowed thinking to be synonymous with knowing:
> > > > > A Pure Language:
> > > > > Which kept the Gods always on the straight and narrow path of
> > > changeless
> > > > > Truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last or lust? to last least, attractors, of things to come, if one
> > let
> > > go
> > > > > of
> > > > > his ming, or mind,
> > > > > what would be? the chaos and the butterfly,do not now what i am
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > reach myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` `````
> > > > > Written in response to the song on the Album:
> > > > > Son's of Somerled
> > > > > by Steve McDonald
> > > > >
> > > > > All You Can Know
> > > > >
> > > > > "Will a man sell his soul
> > > > > When a man wants to know"
> > > > > ...Memories are forever
> > > > > "Will a man change his mind
> > > > > Hoping to find"
> > > > > ...Lost reality
> > > > >
> > > > > ```````````` ````````` ````````` `
> > > > > Did mankind sell it's soul? Are we becoming a lost reality?
> > > > >
> > > > > finishing
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers :)
> > > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, realityrebel23 <realityrebel23@ yahoo.com>
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