Gordon:  When are your Fly fishing courses scheduled this spring?  Am
toying with the idea of doing an amateur macro invert study aimed
specifically at flyfishers and thought it might be a follow on after
your course.

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>Maybe it is time to look at alternatives.  Reynolds Pond? or a private
>farm pond such as the one on the old Pine Mtn Ranch?


I'm not familiar with the farm pond on the old Pine Mtn Ranch, but I'm
interested. Can you give us more information. How big is the pond, what kind
of fish, who owns the property now, have you fished it, etc. etc.

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It may be necessary to find an alternative to Shevlen Pond for our Parks and
Rec casting classes in any event regardless of the condition of the dam. The
1999 fishing regs state that the pond is open to anglers 17 years of age and
younger. Although we are not actually fishing during the class (we cast yarn
with no hooks) it still wouldn't look good to have a large group of mostly
adults crowded around the only "Kids Fishing" spot in Deschutes County. I'm
not quite sure where we should attempt to conduct our classes, I've thought
that Wards Ponds across from the Bend Golf Club would be a good location
except that I wouldn't expect Ward Construction to be so generous as to
grant us permission to use their private property for our classes. I can see
them being very nervous about liability and all that. I am very eager to
hear any suggestions about other alternatives.

As to your kids angling clinic the new "age regulation" on Shevlin Pond is
obviously not an issue for you, but if the pond is out of commission due to
the dam a good alternative would be one of the quarry pits in the high lakes
area (the ones near Cultus lake would be my choice). ODFW stocks these
anyway and I'm sure that for the kids clinic they might even bump the number
up from what they normally put in. The only problem that I would see is the
logistics of transportation.

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Maybe it is time to look at alternatives.  Reynolds Pond? or a private
farm pond such as the one on the old Pine Mtn Ranch?

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Gordon -- You may have read in the Bulletin last month a news item
stating the Shevlin pond dam had been undermined with a major leak.  The
ponds water level has dropped about 18".  The Bend Metro Parks District
maintenance crews are planning to dig out the old dam and replace it with a
more extensive one.  They also plan to replace the foot bridge on the
opposite end. This entails draining the pond.

I have talked to the Parks manager of maintenance.  He is reluctant to say
they will have the work done in time for the KK Kids Angling Clinic, April
20-23. There is the press of other Park maintenance and the unpredictable
weather that can affect their work schedule.

When do you normally use the pond for your spring casting classes ?  If the
pond is not filled by April 20 does it create a significant inconvenience
for you?

It will have a major affect on the Kids' Angling Clinc as the climax of the
day is  when our volunteers take the kids fishing in the ODFW stocked pond.
Rescheduling to a later date may not be possible with some of the schools.
I have written a letter to Parks to that effect.

If the pond repairs not being completed in time for your classes creates a
problem, you may want to write them a letter, too.

					 Don J.

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The second half...

It was pretty slow at Lower Palisades too.  Kerry Reed, the friend I brought,
landed the first fish, a whitefish.   I followed with two whitefish.  That was
it for the day.  We had a blast anyway, and spent the last half hour or so
talking.  Decided on a couple of places for future outtings..TBA. *g*

And...we will be getting a new member.  Kerry enjoyed the company of everyone
present, and will be joining the club.  ;^)

Linda



Gordon Chandler wrote:

> >So, where did you go and how did you do?
>
> We went to the Crooked River. We met at Lone Pine after our breakfast. 7
> flyfishers met for breakfast and 5 of us made it to the river. I was joined
> on the Crooked by Dick Mayer, Dave McNall, Linda Foote, and a friend of
> Linda. I think there may have been three or four strikes but nobody landed a
> fish. After about two hours the group decided to head upriver to Lower
> Palisades. I had some other things to attend to so I headed home at this
> point. Maybe Dave, Dick, or Linda can tell us if there was any better
> fishing at Lower Palisades.
>
> I know that Linda had some strikes to a large orange strike indicator. I
> wish I had tried a stimulator or small Clarks stone. Sounds weird but you
> never know. I did try an egg fly for a short while but I'm not sure that I
> was fishing it as effectively as I could have.
>
> The river level was about 300cfs and the water clarity was no worse than
> normal
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>So, where did you go and how did you do?


We went to the Crooked River. We met at Lone Pine after our breakfast. 7
flyfishers met for breakfast and 5 of us made it to the river. I was joined
on the Crooked by Dick Mayer, Dave McNall, Linda Foote, and a friend of
Linda. I think there may have been three or four strikes but nobody landed a
fish. After about two hours the group decided to head upriver to Lower
Palisades. I had some other things to attend to so I headed home at this
point. Maybe Dave, Dick, or Linda can tell us if there was any better
fishing at Lower Palisades.

I know that Linda had some strikes to a large orange strike indicator. I
wish I had tried a stimulator or small Clarks stone. Sounds weird but you
never know. I did try an egg fly for a short while but I'm not sure that I
was fishing it as effectively as I could have.

The river level was about 300cfs and the water clarity was no worse than
normal

Gordon


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Current Crooked River flows are available in the PRVO/Q
column at:

http://www.wrd.state.or.us/cgi-bin/current-hydromet.pl#rivers

Also, farther down on the page, nearly to the bottom, is a
summary of flows for the previous 5 days, under "PRVO-QD"

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Thanks for the reminder to get a fishing license!!!!!!!!!

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Gordon Chandler wrote:

This is just a reminder, there will be a COF outing on New Years Day. We will be meeting at the south Sherries in Bend (near the southern most Albertson's in Bend).

That is Shari's Restaurant he is talking about.

Gordon Wrote:
<< I was leaning toward the Crooked as the preferred destination with Fall >>River as another option. I just heard from Doyle that they (the people that
>>control the Dam) may be bringing the flow up on the Crooked rather >>dramatically on the first.

I will call today and see if I can find out what the water levels will be on the first. Fishing on the Crooked has been OK but nothing spectacular...

Tumalo Creek would be OK now that they found the body...<G>

I don't really care where we go. I think some folks have been doing well on Fall River.
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Thanks Dave. That's what I was wondering. I hadn't heard about any real good
catching
from ANYbody. Interesting about the numbers...a bunch of us thought they SHOULD
have
been real high this year...sounds like they were.

Thanks again!

PS Couldn't find any "stats" on the ODFW site.
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raven, i've heard that the run was above aver (the # i heard from a fellow
fisher was
25k) however, the catch stats were below aver as the white muddied the main
stem
until after nov 10th and then the bulk "shot" up to the schuutes in large
#'s - i don't
think it was as good as any of the last couple yrs but i spent only 1 day
and it was
a cold one... dave

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> Subject: [coflyfishers] Steelhead
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 9:01 AM
>
> How was/is the Deschutes steelhead run this year in terms of
> numbers and catch rate? Anybody know? Is there such info
> anywhere on the Internet? (I will look at the ODFW site now)
>
> Thanks!
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How was/is the Deschutes steelhead run this year in terms of
numbers and catch rate? Anybody know? Is there such info
anywhere on the Internet? (I will look at the ODFW site now)

Thanks!

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This appears to be a little more detailed version of the one
I sent
yesterday. From John Colburn, ORCFF.
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Public's Right of Way on Rivers Expanded


                  By Gary Spencer
                  New York Law Journal
                  Friday, December 18, 1998



                  ALBANY -- In a landmark ruling that could
vastly
                  expand the public's right of access to
rivers on
                  private land, the Court of Appeals
yesterday
                  adopted a new "recreational use" test for
                  determining when waterways are navigable
and
                  therefore beyond the power of private
landowners to
                  close.

                  Although the age-old common law standard
was
                  based on a river's capacity for commercial
use in
                  carrying goods to market, the Court held
that
                  changing times and changing attitudes
toward
                  environmental preservation called for a new
test in
                  which recreational boating alone will be
enough to
                  establish a public easement.

                  "Rivers, long-recognized as unique natural
                  resources, are no longer primarily subjects
of
                  commercial exploitation and gain but
instead are
                  valued in their own right as a means of
travel,"
                  Judge Carmen Beauchamp Ciparick wrote in
The
                  Adirondack League Club Inc. v. Sierra Club,
No.
                  170.

                  The case focused on a 12-mile stretch of
the South
                  Branch of the Moose River that crosses a
                  58,000-acre private preserve owned by the
                  400-member Adirondack League Club, which
has
                  barred non-members from using the stream
for
                  more than a century. But it should give
canoeists
                  and other recreational boaters greater
access to
                  streams throughout the state. State
conservation
                  officials, who supported the recreational
use test,
                  estimated it could affect 20,000 miles of
waterways
                  in New York.

                  Sierra Club attorney Philip H. Gitlen, of
Whiteman
                  Osterman & Hanna in Albany, said, "This
will have
                  a huge impact on the recreational resources
that
                  are available to the public," particularly
in the
                  six-million-acre Adirondack Park, which is
"a
                  patchwork of public and private
landholdings."

                  All major rivers in the park cross private
land at
                  some point, most of them repeatedly, and he
said
                  the ruling can be used to open the rivers'
full
                  lengths to the public for the first time.

                  The case has been watched closely by
landowners
                  and conservation groups throughout the
nation, he
                  said, and he predicted it will serve as a
model for
                  other states.

                  Neil F. Woodworth, counsel for the
Adirondack
                  Mountain Club, said the ruling recognizes
the
                  importance of rivers in modern society.
"New
                  Yorkers own about 450,000 canoes and
kayaks,"
                  he said. "The predominant use of rivers
today and
                  going into the next century is
recreational."

                  He said another important aspect of the
ruling is its
                  recognition of the public's right to
portage around
                  obstacles in a stream, the first time the
Court of
                  Appeals has ruled on the issue. "That is a
huge
                  victory for the recreational paddler," he
said.

                  TEST CASE
                  The case began in June 1991 with a trip
down the
                  Moose River by five Sierra Club members in
two
                  canoes and a kayak. The Sierra Club was
looking
                  for a test case and it informed the
Adirondack
                  League Club (ALC) of the trip in advance.

                  When the trip was over, the ALC sued the
Sierra
                  Club and the five paddlers for trespass and
sought
                  a declaration that the river was not
navigable, which
                  would permit it to keep the stream closed.
New
                  York State and the Adirondack Mountain Club

                  intervened as defendants in support of
public
                  access.

                  The Appellate Division, Third Department,
ruled on
                  summary judgment that the river was
navigable,
                  holding that use of a waterway by
recreational
                  boaters was relevant evidence of its
capacity for
                  commercial use. Environmental groups hailed
that
                  ruling as a major victory.

                  The Court of Appeals went further
yesterday,
                  holding that recreational use alone is
sufficient to
                  establish a river's navigability.
"[E]vidence of a
                  river's practical utility for transport
need not be
                  limited to evidence of its capacity for the
movement
                  of commercial goods," it said.

                  The Court was unanimous in adopting the new

                  standard, but split 4-1 in reversing the
award of
                  summary judgment. The majority found there
was
                  conflicting evidence regarding the Moose
River's
                  suitability for recreational use.
Dissenting Judge
                  Joseph W. Bellacosa argued that the river's

                  navigability was clearly established and
that the
                  ALC's suit should be dismissed.

                  In the majority opinion, Judge Ciparick
said
                  adoption of the recreational use test was
                  consistent with the Navigation Law and with
the
                  Court's common law precedents, which "have
as
                  their touchstone the idea that a river must
have
                  'practical usefulness to the public as a
highway for
                  transportation.' "

                  She said the "paramount concern is the
capacity of
                  the river for transport, whether for trade
ortravel."


                  The ALC was represented by John S. Marwell
of
                  Shamberg Marwell Hocherman Davis & Hollis
in
                  Mt. Kisco. The state was represented by
Assistant
                  Attorney General William S. Helmer; the
                  Adirondack Mountain Club by John W. Caffry
of
                  Glens Falls; the Sierra Club by Mr. Gitlen
and the
                  individual defendants by Robert J. Kafin of

                  Proskauer Rose Goetz & Mendelsohn in
                  Manhattan.




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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: FYI
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:47:12 -0800
From: johnwcolburn@... (John W Colburn)
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This looks good since NY is one of the original thirteen
states and this
case has bearing on the "equal footing" doctrine (I think).

John Colburn

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:22:59 -0600
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John, related, but concernes navigability only it seems.
Shirley

COURT CASES

NY Rules Rivers Through Private Land Are Open To Public
Recreation:
	 On December 17, the New York State Court of Appeals ruled
that rivers
flowing through private property can be open to the public
for
recreational
purposes, expanding a 130-year opinion that the public
should have access
to
rivers if they are navigable to include recreational uses as
well.
	 The suit involved a dispute between the private Adirondack
League
Club Inc.
and New York, the Sierra Club, and several other
environmental
organizations. The ALC contended that the twelve miles of
the South
Branch
of the Moose River running through the club's land was
private property.
The
Sierra Club countered that all of the river should be open
to the public.
To
prove the navigability of the section of the river, members
of the Sierra
Club canoed and kayaked down the river in June 1991. The ALC
sued the
Sierra
Club for trespassing.
	 Instead of handing down a decision on the twelve miles of
river, the NY
Court of Appeals sent the case back to the State Supreme
Court for a
trial
and ruled on the overall standard to be used in deciding
this case and
others like it. The court stated in the majority opinion:
''Although
evolving necessities and circumstances may warrant a
different emphasis
regarding a river's usefulness, the central premise of the
common law
rule
remains the same: in order to be navigable in fact, a river
must provide
practical utility to the public as a means for
transportation.''

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McEldowney wrote:

> Couple of friends did Anna River last week.  1 24", 1 18" and a few in
> the 12 to 14 range.  Baetis, just below the reservoir.

Hey! Thanks Art. Might go this week...
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Couple of friends did Anna River last week.  1 24", 1 18" and a few in
the 12 to 14 range.  Baetis, just below the reservoir.
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Gordon Chandler wrote:

> If you've got some suggestions please post them.

Shari's South. 9AM. January 1, *1999*
<G>
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Raven,
I don't know of any e-mail address but the phone number is 388-5085.
Tommie Speik
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>Does anyone know Rex Harrison's email address? (phone?
>what's a phone? <G>)
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Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 7:12 PM
Subject: [coflyfishers] Fishing Report

Hi -

 

I managed to go fishing for a little while last Friday. Raven and I went to the Crooked River. The water level was good, higher than normal for this time of year but about what you would see during summer. I was feeling like I might be in the process of catching a cold so I didn't even put on my waders, I just fished from the bank and I only fished for a few minutes. In the short time I fished I caught a couple trout on dry flys (Griffith's Gnats). Raven put on waders and fished quite a bit longer than I did and she did quite a bit better. She used Glo Bugs (egg patterns) and caught quite a few trout in the 6 to 10 inch range. She also got a couple of nice white fish.

 

By the way I would like to get the word out about this list. I know that we have a few members already. If anyone knows the email address of anyone else in the club that might want to join this list please let me know (gordon@...) or invite them yourself. Two people that I don't have addresses for are Doyle Goolsby and Dave McNall (I had Dave's but lost it somehow).

 

If anyone has any observations of suggestions on the operation of this list please let me know.

 

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what's a phone? <G>)

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Howdy all!
Gordon and I went to see Jack Bloom the other day to buy
some AWEsome hackle and found that he also has an older
Regal Vise (c-clamp style) for sale WITH attached waste
catcher and with xtra midge jaws (rusty in spots) for $75.

His phone number is 382-5543.

He would also like to sell his 12(?) foot Kingfisher, but
doesn't have a price set for it yet.
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