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Has anyone here put a spinnaker on there cat?

--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Nathaniel Coleman" <nathaniel_is@...> wrote:
>
> my cobra will be in the water for the frist time this weekend and i just dont
want to break anything, and i just wanted to confirn my understanding of how it
all works.
>
Nathaniel,
Light winds - more rotation, heavy winds - less rotation.
If in doubt go less to start with.
Too much rotation in heavy winds or seas can break a mast:)
Check out the getting started manual under the files page for more info.

my cobra will be in the water for the frist time this weekend and i just dont
want to break anything, and i just wanted to confirn my understanding of how it
all works.

----- Original Message -----

From: Nathaniel Coleman

To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:46 AM

Subject: [Cobra] Centreboard parts

hi just letting you know im knew to sailing and was givin a cobra, the
centrebord was blank (no pivot, stopper, downhaul, uphaul) i just dont
know what to use as a pivot and how to set up the rest. so if anyone
can help me it would be great, pics of setups would help to.

hi just letting you know im knew to sailing and was givin a cobra, the
centrebord was blank (no pivot, stopper, downhaul, uphaul) i just dont
know what to use as a pivot and how to set up the rest. so if anyone
can help me it would be great, pics of setups would help to.

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G'day Folks,

Just letting you know that the Cobra/Stingray Australian Championship
08-09 Notice of Race has been finalised & can be found here in the
files section as NOR_2008_09a.pdf or you can go to the
www.cobracat.com web site documents section.

Hello,

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Hi all,
Wondering if there are any cobra's in NSW. If there are at least 5 or
so a few mosquito sailors in NSW want to have a sail/ race. Would
anybody be interested?
We just thought seeing that the boats are identical with the same
yardstick it would be a good regatta/race.

For comments and or ideas please  email me on
nswmossie@...

Thanks
William

As I can see from various writings on Stan's site some of you down
south have been experimenting with kites. As I'm now focusing on
sailing one up as a lone cobra and trying to keep up with the rest of
the mixed fleet is anyone willing to share any pros/coms, pitfalls, or
design suggestions?

The following cobra-cat poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: The purpose of this poll is to determine support for a change to
the Australian Cobra Catamaran Association Rules and Restrictions imposed on
Cobra 5 metre Catamarans.
The proposed changes to be considered are:
Change rule 13.2 "The rig for the class shall consist of one mainsail and one
foresail when sailed sloop rigged, and one mainsail only when sailed cat
rigged."
Change rule 17.1 "Two persons shall be on board whilst the boat is rigged as a
sloop. Both helmsman and crew are permitted to use trapeze."
Add rule 17.2 "Single handed racing of a cat rigged boat is permitted with no
modifications to rigging other than to remove the foresail, foresail sheets, and
foresail downhaul. The helmsman is permitted to use trapeze. Single handed
racing of a sloop rigged boat is not permitted."
Changes in yardstick would remain at the discretion of the VYC following results
of the proposed rig.
Results of this poll will be presented to the State Cobra Associations if there
is found to be support for the proposed rule changes with the hope that the
rules, if so supported, be addopted as the next available meeting.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Accept, 2 votes, 100.00%
- Reject, 0 votes, 0.00%



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There should be a 'needs changes' option for the poll as I cannot
answer either way.

While I agree with the idea of the rule change, I do not agree with
the suggested wording.  I often race with/out a crew for different
races and/or I don't know if I will have crew or not so all the
appropriate rigging is always on the boat so all I have to do is fit
the jib.  With the suggested rule 17.2 I could theoretically be
protested while sailing cat rigged.
Why not use a less 'long winded'/friendly approach like 'Single handed
racing only of cat rigged is permitted (with no change in
yardstick)'.  The yardstick part in brackets is optional but
recommended as the VIC's have been sailing cat rigged for years &
practice has shown that there is very little (if any) difference
between 1/cat and 2/sloop performance.

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
cobra-cat group:

The purpose of this poll is to determine support for a change to the Australian
Cobra Catamaran Association Rules and Restrictions imposed on Cobra 5 metre
Catamarans.
The proposed changes to be considered are:
Change rule 13.2 "The rig for the class shall consist of one mainsail and one
foresail when sailed sloop rigged, and one mainsail only when sailed cat
rigged."
Change rule 17.1 "Two persons shall be on board whilst the boat is rigged as a
sloop. Both helmsman and crew are permitted to use trapeze."
Add rule 17.2 "Single handed racing of a cat rigged boat is permitted with no
modifications to rigging other than to remove the foresail, foresail sheets, and
foresail downhaul. The helmsman is permitted to use trapeze. Single handed
racing of a sloop rigged boat is not permitted."
Changes in yardstick would remain at the discretion of the VYC following results
of the proposed rig.
Results of this poll will be presented to the State Cobra Associations if there
is found to be support for the proposed rule changes with the hope that the
rules, if so supported, be addopted as the next available meeting.

   o Accept
   o Reject


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not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

In practice, the boat goes just as fast (if not better) single handed as with
crew.  It seems that the extra sail area is offset by the extra weight.  The
only difference is when the wind gets over the 15-18 knot area where the extra
crew weight is a definate advantage.


On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:19:57 +1100 (EST), you wrote:

>Great idea gies.  This would mean people that have trouble getting crew at
times can still sail.   But you should really change the yard stick. Because you
cant expect a cat rigged boat to sail just as quick as a sloop rig.
>
>      Mathew please see me next time your down at the club. And if you are
sailing cat rigged we will see if we can come up with a fair yard stick for your
boat.
>   Great to see some chat on the forum as well.  There should be more of it and
passing information and knowledge about your Cobra class.
>
>                Regards  Leon McNeill
>
>Stan Blazejewski <stanblaz@...> wrote:
>          Hmmm, this warrants thought.
>Rick, how about adding rule 17.2,
>'Single handed racing of cat rigged is permitted with no change in yardstick'
>(which has been happening since the year dot anyway).
>
>On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0000, you wrote:
>
>>Rick,
>>
>>If that's the case can we update the rules to show this and get some
>>wider acknowledgement of a one-up option for the class.
>>
>>Matthew Johnson
>>SHADOW - COBRA 524
>>
>>--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Nixon" <rnixon10@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Matthew,
>>>
>>> The Vic Cobra's have been sailing one for years, and have entered
>>previous
>>> National's as a cat rigged boat.
>>>
>>> If sailing cat rigged you need to rake the mast forward to
>>compensate for no
>>> jib, or you may have trouble tacking.
>>>
>>> Hope to see you at the Nationals at Speer's Point
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Nixon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com]
>>On Behalf
>>> Of Matthew
>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 1:55 PM
>>> To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Cobra] Searching fo QLD Cobras
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stan,
>>>
>>> If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a rule
>>> modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
>>> brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been
>>doing
>>> this for years with gret success.
>>>
>>> More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting racing. I
>>am
>>> looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as
>>crew
>>> but until then limited crew availablility will always put me
>>outside
>>> the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could at
>>> future titles under such a rule change field three competitive
>>boats
>>> rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the boats
>>out
>>> of the backyards!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts from the group?
>>>
>>> Matthew Johnson
>>> SHADOW - COBRA 524
>>>
>>> --- In cobra-cat@yahoogrou <mailto:cobra-cat%40yahoogroups.com>
>>ps.com, Stan
>>> Blazejewski <stanblaz@> wrote:
>>>
>>> > PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of crew
>>> here as well
>>>
>>
--

Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!

stanblaz@...
www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
www.parkdaleyc.com (where most of them sail)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/ (where we talk about them)

Leon,

I'd question the yardstick change. According to the VYC the Mosquito
in both MkI and MkII modes sails a yardstick of 84 (same as Cobra)
and only drops to 80 once the kite is added to either a MkI or MkII.
The Taipan drops from 76.5 to 73.5 when adding the second crew (but
that also includes adding a spin?)

Matthew Johnson
SHADOW - COBRA 524


--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, Leon McNeill <grainger075@...>
wrote:
>
> Great idea gies.  This would mean people that have trouble getting
crew at times can still sail.   But you should really change the yard
stick. Because you cant expect a cat rigged boat to sail just as
quick as a sloop rig.
>
>       Mathew please see me next time your down at the club. And if
you are sailing cat rigged we will see if we can come up with a fair
yard stick for your boat.
>    Great to see some chat on the forum as well.  There should be
more of it and passing information and knowledge about your Cobra
class.
>
>                 Regards  Leon McNeill
>
> Stan Blazejewski <stanblaz@...> wrote:
>           Hmmm, this warrants thought.
> Rick, how about adding rule 17.2,
> 'Single handed racing of cat rigged is permitted with no change in
yardstick'
> (which has been happening since the year dot anyway).
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Rick,
> >
> >If that's the case can we update the rules to show this and get
some
> >wider acknowledgement of a one-up option for the class.
> >
> >Matthew Johnson
> >SHADOW - COBRA 524
> >
> >--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Nixon" <rnixon10@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> The Vic Cobra's have been sailing one for years, and have
entered
> >previous
> >> National's as a cat rigged boat.
> >>
> >> If sailing cat rigged you need to rake the mast forward to
> >compensate for no
> >> jib, or you may have trouble tacking.
> >>
> >> Hope to see you at the Nationals at Speer's Point
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rick Nixon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cobra-
cat@yahoogroups.com]
> >On Behalf
> >> Of Matthew
> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 1:55 PM
> >> To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Cobra] Searching fo QLD Cobras
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stan,
> >>
> >> If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a
rule
> >> modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
> >> brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been
> >doing
> >> this for years with gret success.
> >>
> >> More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting
racing. I
> >am
> >> looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as
> >crew
> >> but until then limited crew availablility will always put me
> >outside
> >> the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could
at
> >> future titles under such a rule change field three competitive
> >boats
> >> rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the
boats
> >out
> >> of the backyards!
> >>
> >> Any thoughts from the group?
> >>
> >> Matthew Johnson
> >> SHADOW - COBRA 524
> >>
> >> --- In cobra-cat@yahoogrou <mailto:cobra-cat%40yahoogroups.com>
> >ps.com, Stan
> >> Blazejewski <stanblaz@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of
crew
> >> here as well
> >>
> >
> --
>
> Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!
>
> stanblaz@...
> www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
> www.parkdaleyc.com (where most of them sail)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/ (where we talk about them)
>
>
>
>
>
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Hmmm, this warrants thought.
Rick, how about adding rule 17.2,
'Single handed racing of cat rigged is permitted with no change in yardstick'
(which has been happening since the year dot anyway).

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0000, you wrote:

>Rick,
>
>If that's the case can we update the rules to show this and get some
>wider acknowledgement of a one-up option for the class.
>
>Matthew Johnson
>SHADOW - COBRA 524
>
>--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Nixon" <rnixon10@...> wrote:
>>
>> Matthew,
>>
>> The Vic Cobra's have been sailing one for years, and have entered
>previous
>> National's as a cat rigged boat.
>>
>> If sailing cat rigged you need to rake the mast forward to
>compensate for no
>> jib, or you may have trouble tacking.
>>
>> Hope to see you at the Nationals at Speer's Point
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rick Nixon
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf
>> Of Matthew
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 1:55 PM
>> To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Cobra] Searching fo QLD Cobras
>>
>>
>>
>> Stan,
>>
>> If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a rule
>> modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
>> brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been
>doing
>> this for years with gret success.
>>
>> More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting racing. I
>am
>> looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as
>crew
>> but until then limited crew availablility will always put me
>outside
>> the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could at
>> future titles under such a rule change field three competitive
>boats
>> rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the boats
>out
>> of the backyards!
>>
>> Any thoughts from the group?
>>
>> Matthew Johnson
>> SHADOW - COBRA 524
>>
>> --- In cobra-cat@yahoogrou <mailto:cobra-cat%40yahoogroups.com>
>ps.com, Stan
>> Blazejewski <stanblaz@> wrote:
>>
>> > PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of crew
>> here as well
>>
>
--

Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!

stanblaz@netspace.net.au
www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
www.parkdaleyc.com (where most of them sail)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/ (where we talk about them)

Hmmm, this warrants thought.
Rick, how about adding rule 17.2,
'Single handed racing of cat rigged is permitted with no change in yardstick'
(which has been happening since the year dot anyway).


On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0000, you wrote:

>Rick,
>
>If that's the case can we update the rules to show this and get some
>wider acknowledgement of a one-up option for the class.
>
>Matthew Johnson
>SHADOW - COBRA 524
>
>--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Nixon" <rnixon10@...> wrote:
>>
>> Matthew,
>>
>> The Vic Cobra's have been sailing one for years, and have entered
>previous
>> National's as a cat rigged boat.
>>
>> If sailing cat rigged you need to rake the mast forward to
>compensate for no
>> jib, or you may have trouble tacking.
>>
>> Hope to see you at the Nationals at Speer's Point
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rick Nixon
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf
>> Of Matthew
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 1:55 PM
>> To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Cobra] Searching fo QLD Cobras
>>
>>
>>
>> Stan,
>>
>> If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a rule
>> modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
>> brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been
>doing
>> this for years with gret success.
>>
>> More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting racing. I
>am
>> looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as
>crew
>> but until then limited crew availablility will always put me
>outside
>> the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could at
>> future titles under such a rule change field three competitive
>boats
>> rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the boats
>out
>> of the backyards!
>>
>> Any thoughts from the group?
>>
>> Matthew Johnson
>> SHADOW - COBRA 524
>>
>> --- In cobra-cat@yahoogrou <mailto:cobra-cat%40yahoogroups.com>
>ps.com, Stan
>> Blazejewski <stanblaz@> wrote:
>>
>> > PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of crew
>> here as well
>>
>
--

Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!

stanblaz@...
www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
www.parkdaleyc.com (where most of them sail)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/ (where we talk about them)

Rick,

If that's the case can we update the rules to show this and get some
wider acknowledgement of a one-up option for the class.

Matthew Johnson
SHADOW - COBRA 524

--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Nixon" <rnixon10@...> wrote:
>
> Matthew,
>
> The Vic Cobra's have been sailing one for years, and have entered
previous
> National's as a cat rigged boat.
>
> If sailing cat rigged you need to rake the mast forward to
compensate for no
> jib, or you may have trouble tacking.
>
> Hope to see you at the Nationals at Speer's Point
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Nixon
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Matthew
> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 1:55 PM
> To: cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Cobra] Searching fo QLD Cobras
>
>
>
> Stan,
>
> If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a rule
> modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
> brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been
doing
> this for years with gret success.
>
> More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting racing. I
am
> looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as
crew
> but until then limited crew availablility will always put me
outside
> the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could at
> future titles under such a rule change field three competitive
boats
> rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the boats
out
> of the backyards!
>
> Any thoughts from the group?
>
> Matthew Johnson
> SHADOW - COBRA 524
>
> --- In cobra-cat@yahoogrou <mailto:cobra-cat%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com, Stan
> Blazejewski <stanblaz@> wrote:
>
> > PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of crew
> here as well
>

Stan,

If crew numbers are a problem has any thought been given to a rule
modification allowing sailing one-up on a cat rigged Cobra? Our
brothers over at the Mosquito and Taipan Associations have been doing
this for years with gret success.

More boats on the water has got to make for more exciting racing. I am
looking forward to when my children are old enough to join me as crew
but until then limited crew availablility will always put me outside
the rules. (if any of the McVey boys are reading this they could at
future titles under such a rule change field three competitive boats
rather than their recent one-and-a-half!) We need to get the boats out
of the backyards!

Any thoughts from the group?

Matthew Johnson
SHADOW - COBRA 524

--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, Stan Blazejewski <stanblaz@...> wrote:

> PS, even though we have the boats, we seem to have a lack of crew
here as well

Leon,

Thanks for your feedback. I didn't mean to imply any anoyance on your
part with your posts. I was more concerned that you are the main
contributor to a global forum when we should be participating as a
class.

I personally greatly apprciate the lengths HYC is currently going to
to make smaller cats like the Cobras welcome amoungst the F18s, As
and Taipans. If Philip brings down his new Mosi in the new year and
anymore Cobras can be found in backyards we can continue to build the
back end of the fleet. After all, without the novices there is not
much left for the rescue boats to do!

--- In cobra-cat@yahoogroups.com, Leon McNeill <grainger075@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry Mathew if I have affended any Cobra sailors with my posts.
But I to would like to see more Cobras sailing at Hu8mpybong Yacht
club..   As you know if there is enough boats down there the club
will set a seperate course for the smaller boats. There for you do
not fight it our with the F18 and bigger boats. Our club at HYC will
bend over back wards to try to help others if asked.
>
>     Mathew thought you did well on the weekend. Keep trying hard at
it. And if you need advice please come and see me . I will see  what
I can do.
>
>                      Kind regards Leon
>
>