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#3363 From: "guruoo" <guruoo2@...>
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#3362 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:34 am
Subject: Oh, how times have changed...
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Those were the days: House Republican statements
on Clinton's impeachment

Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 11:19 AM by EarlG

It's interesting how these statements read in light of recent events...

Rep. Marge Roukema (R-N.J.):

And we all share in the emotional trauma getting back to our subject of this constitutional crisis in which we are ensnared. But this cup cannot pass us by, we can't avoid it, we took an oath of office, Mr. Speaker, to uphold the Constitution under our democratic system of government, separation of powers, and checks and balances.

And we must fulfill that oath and send the articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trial. Now I say personally, and all of you who know me, and a lot of you do, I've been around a long time; I bear no personal animosity towards the president. But we in the House did not seek this constitutional confrontation.

Rep. J.C. Watts (R-Okla.):

How can we expect a Boy Scout to honor his oath if elected officials don't honor theirs? How can we expect a business executive to honor a promise when the chief executive abandons his or hers?

Rep. Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.):

How did this great nation of the 1990s come to be? It all happened Mr. Speaker, because freedom works. . . . But freedom, Mr. Speaker, freedom depends upon something. The rule of law. And that's why this solemn occasion is so important. For today we are here to defend the rule of law. According to the evidence presented by our fine Judiciary Committee, the president of the United States has committed serious transgressions.

Among other things, he took an oath to God, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And then he failed to do so. Not once, but several times. If we ignore this evidence, I believe we undermine the rule of law that is so important that all America is. Mr. Speaker, a nation of laws cannot be ruled by a person who breaks the law. Otherwise, it would be as if we had one set of rules for the leaders and another for the governed. We would have one standard for the powerful, the popular and the wealthy, and another for everyone else.

This would belie our ideal that we have equal justice under the law. That would weaken the rule of law and leave our children and grandchildren with a very poor legacy. I don't know what challenges they will face in their time, but I do know they need to face those challenges with the greatest constitutional security and the soundest rule of fair and equal law available in the history of the world. And I don't want us to risk their losing that....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI):

The framers of the Constitution devised an elaborate system of checks and balances to ensure our liberty by making sure that no person, institution or branch of government became so powerful that a tyranny could be established in the United States of America. Impeachment is one of the checks the framers gave the Congress to prevent the executive or judicial branches from becoming corrupt or tyrannical.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas):

When someone is elected president, they receive the greatest gift possible from the American people, their trust. To violate that trust is to raise questions about fitness for office. My constituents often remind me that if anyone else in a position of authority -- for example, a business executive, a military officer of a professional educator -- had acted as the evidence indicates the president did, their career would be over. The rules under which President Nixon would have been tried for impeachment had he not resigned contain this statement: "The office of the president is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Charles Canady (R-Fla.):

Many have asked why we are even here in these impeachment proceedings. They have asked why we can't just rebuke the president and move on. That's a reasonable question. And I certainly understand the emotions behind that question. I want to move on. Every member of this committee wants to move on. We all agree with that.

But the critical question is this: Do we move on under the Constitution, or do we move on by turning aside from the Constitution? Do we move on in faithfulness to our own oath to support and defend the Constitution, or do we go outside the Constitution because it seems more convenient and expedient?

...

Why are we here? We are here because we have a system of government based on the rule of law, a system of government in which no one -- no one -- is above the law. We are here because we have a constitution.

A constitution is often a most inconvenient thing. A constitution limits us when we would not be limited. It compels us to act when we would not act. But our Constitution, as all of us in this room acknowledge, is the heart and soul of the American experiment. It is the glory of the political world. And we are here today because the Constitution requires that we be here. We are here because the Constitution grants the House of Representatives the sole power of impeachment. We are here because the impeachment power is the sole constitutional means granted to Congress to deal with the misconduct of the chief executive of the United States.

In many other countries, a matter such as this involving the head of government would have been quietly swept under the rug. There would, of course, be some advantages to that approach. We would all be spared embarrassment, indignity and discomfort. But there would be a high cost if we followed that course of action. Something would be lost. Respect for the law would be subverted, and the foundation of our Constitution would be eroded.

The impeachment power is designed to deal with exactly such threats to our system of government. Conduct which undermines the integrity of the president's office, conduct by the chief executive which sets a pernicious example of lawlessness and corruption is exactly the sort of conduct that should subject a president to the impeachment power.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Bob Ingliss (R-S.C.):

I think is important to point out here is that we have a constitutional obligation, a constitutional obligation to act. And there are lots of folks who would counsel, Listen, let's just move along. It's sort of the Clinton so-what defense. So what? I committed perjury. So what? I broke the law. Let's just move along. I believe we've got a constitutional obligation to act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.):

Mr. Chairman, this is a somber occasion. I am here because it is my constitutional duty, as it is the constitutional duty of every member of this committee, to follow the truth wherever it may lead. Our Founding Fathers established this nation on a fundamental yet at the time untested idea that a nation should be governed not by the whims of any man but by the rule of law. Implicit in that idea is the principle that no one is above the law, including the chief executive

Since it is the rule of law that guides us, we must ask ourselves what happens to our nation if the rule of law is ignored, cheapened or violated, especially at the highest level of government. Consider the words of former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who was particularly insightful on this point. "In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. If government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law. It invites every man to become a law unto himself."

Mr. Chairman, we must ask ourselves what our failure to uphold the rule of law will say to the nation, and most especially to our children, who must trust us to leave them a civilized nation where justice is respected.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Steve Buyer (R-Ind.):

You know, there are people out all across America every day that help define the nation's character, and they exercise common-sense virtues, whether it's honesty, integrity, promise-keeping, loyalty, respect, accountability, they pursue excellence, they exercise self-discipline. There is honor in a hard day's work. There's duty to country. Those are things that we take very seriously.

So those are things that the founders also took seriously. Yet every time I reflect upon the wisdom of the founding fathers, I think their wisdom was truly amazing. They pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to escape the tyranny of a king. They understood the nature of the human heart struggles between good and evil.

So the founders created a system of checks and balances and accountability. If corruption invaded the political system, a means was available to address it. The founders felt impeachment was so important it was included in six different places in the Constitution. The founders set the standard for impeachment of the president and other civil officers as treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

The House of Representatives must use this standard in circumstances and facts of the president's conduct to determine if the occupant of the Oval Office is fit to continue holding the highest executive office of this great country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-Ark.):

In the next few days I will cast some of the most important votes of my career. Some believe these votes could result in a backlash and have serious political repercussions. They may be right. But I will leave the analysis to others. My preeminent concern is that the Constitution be followed and that all Americans, regardless of their position in society, receive equal and unbiased treatment in our courts of law. The fate of no president, no political party, and no member of Congress merits a slow unraveling of the fabric of our constitutional structure. As John Adams said, we are a nation of laws, not of men.

Our nation has survived the failings of its leaders before, but it cannot survive exceptions to the rule of law in our system of equal justice for all. There will always be differences between the powerful and the powerless. But imagine a country where a Congress agrees the strong are treated differently than the weak, where mercy is the only refuge for the powerless, where the power of our positions govern all of our decisions. Such a country cannot long endure. God help us to do what is right, not just for today, but for the future of this nation and for those generations that must succeed us.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Ill.):

I suggest impeachment is like beauty: apparently in the eye of the beholder. But I hold a different view. And it's not a vengeful one, it's not vindictive, and it's not craven. It's just a concern for the Constitution and a high respect for the rule of law. ... as a lawyer and a legislator for most of my very long life, I have a particular reverence for our legal system. It protects the innocent, it punishes the guilty, it defends the powerless, it guards freedom, it summons the noblest instincts of the human spirit.

The rule of law protects you and it protects me from the midnight fire on our roof or the 3 a.m. knock on our door. It challenges abuse of authority. It's a shame "Darkness at Noon" is forgotten, or "The Gulag Archipelago," but there is such a thing lurking out in the world called abuse of authority, and the rule of law is what protects you from it. And so it's a matter of considerable concern to me when our legal system is assaulted by our nation's chief law enforcement officer, the only person obliged to take care that the laws are faithfully executed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/c...


On edit: how could I miss Tom DeLay?

Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.):

I believe that this nation sits at a crossroads. One direction points to the higher road of the rule of law. Sometimes hard, sometimes unpleasant, this path relies on truth, justice and the rigorous application of the principle that no man is above the law.

Now, the other road is the path of least resistance. This is where we start making exceptions to our laws based on poll numbers and spin control. This is when we pitch the law completely overboard when the mood fits us, when we ignore the facts in order to cover up the truth.

Shall we follow the rule of law and do our constitutional duty no matter unpleasant, or shall we follow the path of least resistance, close our eyes to the potential lawbreaking, forgive and forget, move on and tear an unfixable hole in our legal system? No man is above the law, and no man is below the law. That's the principle that we all hold very dear in this country.

http://www.bluegrassreport.org/bluegrass_politics/2005/...


#3361 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:13 pm
Subject: The Grinch Who Doctored Photos
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The Grinch Who Doctored Photos
The RNC's fraudulent new ad.
By John Dickerson
Posted Monday, Dec. 12, 2005, at 4:51 PM ET

The RNC's new Web video "Retreat and Defeat" starts with a flat-screen TV playing clips from Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, Sen. Barbara Boxer, and Sen. John Kerry. As they speak, a white flag waves over their faces while ominous music moans. Dean says the war in Iraq can't be won; Boxer says withdrawal should start after the Iraqi election; and Kerry says U.S. soldiers shouldn't be "terrorizing kids and children, you know, women." Then the camera pans back, and we learn that we've been watching these clips over the shoulder of a U.S. soldier dressed in desert camouflage, his service rifle strapped to his back. Candy canes hang on the wall just above the screen, which flashes the message: "Our soldiers are watching and our enemies are too."

Click image to see the video on RCN.org.

Click here to see the video at RNC.org

The video conveys the impression that somewhere in Iraq, a soldier is having his mission and Christmas tarnished by weak-willed Democrats. Here is a frame from the ad and the actual picture of the soldier, taken two years ago. As shown below, the soldier was really watching How the Grinch Stole Christmas!

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The soldier and the Grinch, pre-doctoring. Click image to expand.

The soldier and the Grinch, pre-doctoring

Web ads are a special low art meant to stir the base. Both parties use them: They are cheap to produce and usually highly misleading. Both parties also hope the media pick up on them and spread their messages without the party having to buy actual, expensive air time.

Bush has distorted images of U.S. soldiers before. During the 2004 campaign, he got into trouble when one of his ads, titled "Whatever It Takes," doctored the images of soldiers. The ad showed a crowd of soldiers listening to the president. But some of the faces appeared several times in several different places within the same crowd shot, the result of an attempt to increase the number of soldiers appearing to listen to Mr. Bush.

What neither party has done—until now—is inject the idea that the other party is undermining our troops overseas. The RNC is pimping a mute and unnamed soldier not just to defend the Iraq war but to imply that Democrats are white-handkerchief-waving cowards who want the United States to lose.

This is not the president's official message, at least in classier settings. "There's an important debate going on in our nation's capital about Iraq," he said last week at the Council on Foreign Relations, "and the fact that we can debate these issues openly in the midst of a dangerous war brings credit to our democracy." Other White House officials have been pushing back against the charge that the president has been trying to stifle discussion, because they recognize that he can only rebuild his credibility by engaging in debate—not trying to shut it down. Perhaps someone should let the RNC know. Officials there defend the use of the soldier, saying it highlights the stakes in the argument.

It goes almost without saying that some of the quotes from Democrats are taken out of context in a way that completely distorts their meanings. In the statement excerpted in the video, Kerry was not accusing U.S. soldiers of war crimes in Iraq. He was saying local police and military—not American forces—should be doing the difficult work of going into Iraqi homes in the dead of night, which is also the president's wish. This is the sentence Kerry uttered after the one the RNC uses: "Whether you like it or not, Iraqis should be doing that." Kerry likes to make his own selective criticisms of the president, but this libel is especially vicious in light of the insinuations that Kerry made unjustified accusations about American atrocities in Vietnam.

The video's treatment of Barbara Boxer is just bizarre. "So there's no specific time frame," they quote her as saying, "but I would say the withdrawal ought to start now, right after the elections December 15th." The liberal California senator has surely said something more incendiary somewhere, but that quote is simply stating administration policy. Here's what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said two weeks before Boxer's remarks, when he answered a question on Face the Nation about whether troops would withdraw: "No question. I mean, we went up for the referendum in October 15th and we went from 138,000 to 160,000. We're now at 159,000. We're going to stay that size roughly through the December 15th election. We're clearly going to go back down to 138,000 after the election."

Our soldiers are watching. But all they're seeing is a cartoon.


#3360 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:37 pm
Subject: Bill Frist: “No Earthly Idea... how much stock”
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BIll Frist: "No Earthly Idea" <>

Think Progress has the story:

Frist claimed this morning on Fox News Sunday that, for the last decade,
he has had “no earthly idea” how much HCA stock he owned:

<>For the last 10 or 11 years, I have no idea no earthly idea at any point in
time how much stock of anything, not just that particular stock [HCA],
but all of the stocks that I’ve owned in the past. And that’s good, because
I’m able to put it aside and not worry about it....read on

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“No Earthly Idea”: Frist Continues To

Mislead on Stock Sale

Majority Leader Bill Frist is facing two federal inquiries into his abrupt sale of millions of dollars of stock in HCA Inc., his family’s hospital corporation, shortly before a company announcement sent the price plummeting.

Frist claimed this morning on Fox News Sunday that, for the last decade, he has had “no earthly idea” how much HCA stock he owned:

For the last 10 or 11 years, I have no idea no earthly idea at any point in time how much stock of anything, not just that particular stock [HCA], but all of the stocks that I’ve owned in the past. And that’s good, because I’m able to put it aside and not worry about it.

That’s not true. During the last five years, he was aware of both the general value of his holdings in HCA and substantial purchases of additional HCA shares:

DECEMBER 2000– FRIST INFORMS SENATE HIS HOLDINGS IN HCA ARE VALUED BETWEEN $5 MILLION AND $25 MILLION: “The value of HCA stock in Frist’s trusts at the end of 2000 was between $5 million and $25 million, according to a disclosure he filed with the Senate ethics committee when he established the accounts.” [Bloomberg, 9/23/05]

MAY 16, 2002 – TRUSTEE TELLS FRIST HE PURCHASED $750K TO $1.5 MILLION IN HCA STOCK: “On May 16, 2002, Scobey advised Frist that four investments were contributed to a Frist blind trust, including HCA stock valued at $500,000 to $1 million. A second letter the same day mentions the same four investments going into a different trust, but with different valuations, including HCA stock valued at $250,000 to $500,000.” [BusinessWeek, 9/24/05]

EARLY JANUARY 2003 – TRUSTEE TELLS FRIST 15K-50K OF HCA STOCK HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTED TO TRUST: “Just two weeks before those [January 2003] comments, the trustee of the senator’s trust, M. Kirk Scobey Jr., wrote to Frist that HCA stock was contributed to the trust. It was valued at $15,000 and $50,000.” [BusinessWeek, 9/24/05]

If Frist didn’t do anything wrong, why can’t he be honest about what he knew?


#3359 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:05 am
Subject: Michael Reagan: "Dean should be "arrested and hung for treason"
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 Michael Reagan: "Dean should be "arrested and hung for treason"
<>Michael was on H&C and didn't back down from his statement about Dean.
Did Reagan ever produce a segment on his radio show asking Rumsfeld why
our troops didn't go into war with the proper armor? Oh..right... we're all just
Monday morning quarterbacks.
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Michael Reagan: Dean 'Should Be Hung'

Michael Reagan, son of the late President Ronald Reagan, is blasting Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean for declaring that the U.S. won't be able to win the war in Iraq, saying Dean ought to be "hung for treason."

"Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!" Reagan told his Radio America audience on Monday.

Reagan was reacting to Dean's comments earlier in the day, when the top Democrat said that the "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong."

In a Texas radio interview, Dean predicted a rerun of the Vietnam debacle, where U.S. forces had to withdraw after Congress voted to cut support for South Vietnam's government.

<>"This is the same situation we had in Vietnam," the top Democrat said. "Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost the lives of an additional 25,000 troops because we were too
stubborn to recognize what was happening."

Dean said he favored a plan to immediately withdraw National Guard and Reserve troops - with all military personnel slated to be out of Iraq within two years.


#3358 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:14 am
Subject: 12/9 - Another pre-9/11 warning, related docs uncovered
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(This is a document that was not included in the 911 Commission's report)

 Before 9/11, Warnings on bin Laden
Before 9/11, Warnings on bin Laden
NY Times: "More than three years before the Sept. 11, 2001,
<>terrorist attacks, American diplomats warned Saudi officials that
<> Osama bin Laden might target civilian aircraft, according to a
<>newly declassified State Department cable...read on"  
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NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE RELEASES PRE-9/11 WARNING TO SAUDIS
THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN MIGHT TARGET CIVILIAN AIRLINERS

GEORGE TENET's "We're At War" MEMO ALSO DECLASSIFIED

RELEASES PUNCTUATE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF ARCHIVE'S WORK

For more information contact
Peter Kornbluh - 202/994-7000

December 9, 2005

Washington, D.C., December 9, 2005 - More than three years before the 9/11 attack on the United States, U.S. officials warned Saudi Arabia that Osama bin Laden "might take the course of least resistance and turn to a civilian [aircraft] target," according to a declassified cable released by the National Security Archive today. The warning was made by the U.S. regional security officer and a civil aviation official in Riyadh based on a public threat bin Laden made against "military passenger aircraft" and his statement that "we do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians."

The State Department cable was not mentioned in the report of the 9/11 Commission, which investigated how U.S. intelligence failed to detect planning for the terrorist attacks, using civilian airliners, on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. It was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by Archive analyst Barbara Elias.

The National Security Archive released the cable, and a CIA memorandum, "We're at War," written by then director George Tenet, as it prepared to commemorate its 20th anniversary on Friday. Obtaining the declassification of these documents on the war on terrorism epitomized two decades of work to bring transparency and accountability to relevant issues in U.S. foreign policy, said Archive Executive Director Thomas Blanton. "American citizens not only have a right to know, they have a need to know."

In his urgent "We're at War" memo written five days after the 9/11 attacks to his top deputies, CIA Director George Tenet demanded an urgent and "unrelenting focus" on "bringing all of our operational, analytical, and technical capabilities to bear-not only to protect the US both here and abroad from additional terrorist attacks-but also, and more importantly, to neutralize and destroy al-Qa'ida and its partners."

The confidential memo called for "absolute and total dedication as a leadership team" and stated that he and his deputies would "translate the urgency of the difficult tasks ahead to the men and women we lead by our behavior and actions." In waging the war on terrorism, Tenet wrote, "we must lead…. Never has our professionalism and discipline been at a greater premium."

The memo was obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by National Security Archive senior fellow, Jeffrey Richelson. It was first identified in Bob Woodward's bestselling book, Bush At War.


#3357 From: "guruoo" <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 6:41 pm
Subject: Putting God in Charge: "If they could they would."
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Friday, December 02, 2005

Putting God in Charge: "If they could they would."

Let's start with a question you may never have even thought to ask: Why isn't there mail delivery on Sundays? For quite a while in America, Sunday delivery was not only viewed as entirely unremarkable, but as vital and necessary:
The degree to which a secular approach to government was accepted in early 19th-century America was demonstrated by Congress' refusal to abandon Sunday mail service, which it had mandated in 1810. The 1844 invention of the telegraph would eventually put an end to the commercial need for daily mail, but in the 1820s and '30s, business still depended on the government to keep the mails moving seven days a week.

Nevertheless, powerful right-wing religious leaders waged an unceasing campaign against the sacrilege of Sunday mail, which some considered a more important moral issue than slavery. But evangelical Christians and freethinkers, who had joined together to write and ratify the godless Constitution, wanted no part of government sanction for a religious Sabbath.

In 1828, Congress referred the godly mess to the powerful Senate Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. Its chairman was Kentucky Senator Richard M. Johnson—a general, a hero of the War of 1812, and a devout Baptist. Johnson's report to Congress uncompromisingly declared that any federal attempt to give preference to the Christian Sabbath would be unconstitutional. He reminded his fellow legislators of the religious persecutions and intolerance that had impelled their revolutionary predecessors to draw a firm line—"the line cannot be too strongly drawn"—between church and state. (So much for separation of church and state being a recently invented lie of the left.)

The report also noted that many Americans, Christian and non-Christian, observed the Sabbath not on Sunday but on Saturday, and that the Constitution and its Bill of Rights were designed to prevent the majority from dictating to minorities. Johnson emphasized that the Constitution "gives no more authority to adopt a measure affecting the conscience of a solitary individual than that of the whole community."
Oh, for the days when elected leaders discussed current controversies in terms of the principles involved. Those days are long gone now.

The above passage comes from a valuable article by Susan Jacoby, about "the historical revisionism at the heart of the Christian conservative campaign to convince Americans that the separation of church and state is nothing more than a lie of the secularist left." Jacoby points out that the intentional and very deliberate omission of God from the Constitution poses an insurmountable hurdle for those who would distort the intellectual roots of our nation's founding, and who would destroy a key element of its structure. Bill O'Reilly may be one of the crudest examples of those who insist on America's "Judeo-Christian heritage," but even many so-called "serious" commentators engage in the same lies.

And they are lies in the end, with regard to the political principles upon which the United States was based. Earlier Americans who condemned the Constitution's secularism and intended godlessness were far more open about their concerns:
Religious reactionaries of the 18th century, by contrast, were honest in their attacks on the secularism of the new Constitution. One North Carolina minister observed with forthright disgust, during his state's ratification debate, that the abolition of religious tests for officeholders amounted to nothing less than "an invitation for Jews and pagans of every kind to come among us." The Reverend John M. Mason, a fire-breathing New York minister, declared the absence of God in the Constitution "an omission which no pretext whatever can palliate" and warned that Americans would "have every reason to tremble, lest the Governor of the universe, who will not be treated with indignity by a people more than by individuals, overturn from its foundation the fabric we have been rearing, and crush us to atoms in the wreck."

The marvel of America's founders, even though nearly all of the new nation's citizens were not only Christian but Protestant, was that they possessed the foresight to avoid establishing a Christian or religious government and instead chose to create the first secular government in the world. That the new Constitution failed to acknowledge God's power and instead ceded governmental authority to "We the People ... in order to form a more perfect Union" was a break not only with historically distant European precedents but with recent American precedents, most notably the 1781 Articles of Confederation, which did pay homage to "the Great Governor of the World," and the Declaration of Independence, with its majestic statement that "all men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights." It is worth noting here that the Declaration was a bold and impassioned proclamation of liberty, while the Constitution was a blueprint for a real government, with all the caution about practical consequences (such as divisive squabbles about the precise nature of divine authority over earthly affairs) required of any blueprint.
I recommend you read the entire article.

My headline comes from the following passage. Jacoby notes the great danger represented by "a public with a shaky grasp of even the most fundamental facts of American history," and writes:
Handed a tabula rasa by a public uneducated in civics, right-wing revisionists are free to ignore not only the strong anticlerical views of so many of the nation's first leaders but also their loathing of all entanglements between religion and government. "Oh! Lord!" Adams complained in 1817 to his old friend and rival Jefferson. "Do you think that a Protestant Popedom is annihilated in America? Do you recollect, or have you ever attended to the ecclesiastical Strifes in Maryland, Pensilvania, New York, and every part of New England? What a mercy it is that these People cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could they would."
We should also note these words from Thomas Jefferson:
The delegates in Philadelphia could have looked for guidance to a crazy quilt of conflicting state laws, rooted in religious prejudice and incestuous Old World church-state entanglements. Instead they chose the Virginia model, which, as Jefferson proudly stated in his autobiography, "meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
Yet today, the anti-secularists seek to obliterate all this history once and for all -- and with it, a crucial element of the considerations that gave rise to the miracle of America at its founding.

If I believed in His existence, I might ask God to forgive them for their sins -- not that they would thank me for the thought. But since I don't, I won't.
posted by Arthur Silber at 10:53 PM

#3356 From: "guruoo" <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 5:50 pm
Subject: Have President Bush and the first lady joined the war on Christmas?
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Have President Bush, First Lady And Republican National Committee Joined 'War On Christmas'?

The Rev. Jerry Falwell and his Religious Right cohorts have been complaining for weeks now about government agencies and store clerks saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" but it looks like Falwell forgot to tell President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush and the Republican National Committee about the preferred religiously correct greeting.

The White House's 2005 holiday card is just out, and it doesn't mention the word "Christmas" once.

The card, mailed under the auspices of the Republican National Committee and signed by the president and his wife, reads, "With best wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005." It also includes a passage from the Old Testament Book of Psalms.

The front cover is an artist's rendition of the White House and grounds covered with snow while the presidential pets, two dogs and a cat, frolic on the lawn. It contains no religious symbolism.

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Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 5:11 pm
Subject: The Man Who Sold the War
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The Man Who Sold the War 

Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war



The road to war in Iraq led through many unlikely places. One of them was a chic hotel nestled among the strip bars and brothels that cater to foreigners in the town of Pattaya, on the Gulf of Thailand.

On December 17th, 2001, in a small room within the sound of the crashing tide, a CIA officer attached metal electrodes to the ring and index fingers of a man sitting pensively in a padded chair. The officer then stretched a black rubber tube, pleated like an accordion, around the man's chest and another across his abdomen. Finally, he slipped a thick cuff over the man's brachial artery, on the inside of his upper arm.

Strapped to the polygraph machine was Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a forty-three-year-old Iraqi who had fled his homeland in Kurdistan and was now determined to bring down Saddam Hussein. For hours, as thin mechanical styluses traced black lines on rolling graph paper, al-Haideri laid out an explosive tale. Answering yes and no to a series of questions, he insisted repeatedly that he was a civil engineer who had helped Saddam's men to secretly bury tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. The illegal arms, according to al-Haideri, were buried in subterranean wells, hidden in private villas, even stashed beneath the Saddam Hussein Hospital, the largest medical facility in Baghdad.

It was damning stuff -- just the kind of evidence the Bush administration was looking for. If the charges were true, they would offer the White House a compelling reason to invade Iraq and depose Saddam. That's why the Pentagon had flown a CIA polygraph expert to Pattaya: to question al-Haideri and confirm, once and for all, that Saddam was secretly stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

There was only one problem: It was all a lie. After a review of the sharp peaks and deep valleys on the polygraph chart, the intelligence officer concluded that al-Haideri had made up the entire story, apparently in the hopes of securing a visa.

The fabrication might have ended there, the tale of another political refugee trying to scheme his way to a better life. But just because the story wasn't true didn't mean it couldn't be put to good use. Al-Haideri, in fact, was the product of a clandestine operation -- part espionage, part PR campaign -- that had been set up and funded by the CIA and the Pentagon for the express purpose of selling the world a war. And the man who had long been in charge of the marketing was a secretive and mysterious creature of the Washington establishment named John Rendon.

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Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 1:42 am
Subject: Death toll quickly mounts for 101st
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Wednesday, 11/30/05

Death toll quickly mounts for 101st 

Some in Clarksville say it's time to bring the troops home


CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. — More soldiers based at Fort Campbell have died this month in combat in Iraq than any other month other since the 101st Airborne was first deployed there in March 2003.

Combat had claimed the lives of 16 soldiers as of last evening. In all 19 died in November, including deaths from accidents, raising the toll to 92 since the unit's first deployment more than two years ago.

With confirmation this week of the two most recent deaths, some residents of this superpatriotic town yesterday said enough is enough.

"Don't let any more of them young boys die. I say bring them home, bring them all home," said Sandy Meriwether, 64, chowing down on a favorite meal of white beans and cornbread at Frank's Hamburgers on North Second Street.

"It's awful sad what is happening over there. Our young men are dying, and we don't exactly know what for. Why are we still there? When are they going to be brought home for good," he asked.

Others on the narrow downtown streets of the Queen City posed the same question as they ventured out for lunch. And President Bush, whose popularity has sagged lately, in part, to dissatisfaction with how the war is going, is expected to address it tonight during a televised speech to the nation.

Bob Frost, a native Clarksvillian who is a risk management consultant and a trainer of quarter horses, wants to hear the words "exit" in the president's speech.

"I remember the mess that Vietnam was. I was in college during the withdrawal, and it wasn't pretty when we pulled out,'' said Frost, 54, also a lunchtime patron at Frank's, where he dined on the joint's quintessential fare of a cheeseburger and fries.

"I also remember that when we were talking about Bosnia, Congress insisted on an exit strategy. We don't have one in Iraq."

Frost has been keeping abreast of Fort Campbell's losses (of life) this month and said "they seem to be coming too fast." He noted the deployed 101st Airborne troops have only been gone a few months. The division's four brigade combat teams, about 16,000 soldiers, began deploying in September and most are in Iraq.

This is the division's second deployment to the war zone. The first deployment came at the start of the conflict when a majority of the troops were sent over in early 2003. They returned in early 2004.

October and November have been deadly months for Fort Campbell soldiers in both deployment cycles. In 2003, the post lost 31 soldiers — four in October and 27 in November, including 16 in the collision of two Black Hawk helicopters. That month, the unit lost 11 in combat.

In 2005, 25 soldiers from the post lost their lives, six last month and 19 in November (as of last evening). Thirteen died from road bomb explosions, three died from gunfire that is being investigated as friendly fire, two were killed in a Humvee crash and one soldier died from non-combat related injuries.

"Our guys are going over there and getting their butts shot off, for what?" asked Ken Rogers, 40, leaning into a stiff wind as he walked with a friend near the Montgomery County Courthouse.

Rogers, a former Marine who once worked as a civilian employee at Fort Campbell, said, "We have overstayed our welcome in Iraq." It pains him, he added, to state this position because he considers himself a patriot.

"But they went over there to do what we said we were going to do. They've done their job. Now we need to bring them home. What we're doing over there now, no one seems to be able to give a good answer. The politicians don't seem to care,'' he said.

"It's time for this to be over," added his friend, Kim McDermid, 38.

"No more men need to be killed."

Down the street at The Roxy Regional Theatre, where third-graders from Fort Campbell schools were on a field trip to see a play, bus drivers and good friends Shavonda Fort and Mayetta Chase took opposite views on the matter.

Chase, whose husband retired after 26 years in the military, said America has to remember why wars are fought.

"We live in the land of freedom, but it's not really free because somebody had to pay the price. We have men and women over there who are paying the price. We need to support them and their families in every way we can,'' said Chase, her shoulders hunched from the chilly wind.

Fort said she would like to see a withdrawal, regardless of political or diplomatic issues at hand.

"I'm on Fort Campbell every day, and I hear people talking about the war every day. I see how it effects the kids that come on my bus. It's sad that all these families are losing their loved ones. We need to leave there,'' she said.

But both women said turning to providence, not politicians, is the country's answer to the situation.

"We need to be on our knees every day praying. God will see us through, that's really the only sure thing I know," Chase said.



#3353 From: "guruoo" <guruoo2@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 1:22 am
Subject: Ft. Campbell area LTTEs: Bush did lie on Saddam possessing the WMDs
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LETTERS
Bush did lie on Saddam possessing the WMDs

I am responding to "Saying that Bush lied does not make it true"
(Letters, Nov. 28).

Bush did lie about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. He
said, "He's got them" over and over again in the run up to the
invasion, and cited highly discredited evidence (remember that British
report about Nigerian yellow cake uranium) to support his claims. Now,
over two and one-half years later, we haven't found a single speck of
WMDs — except for our own.

According to the British newspaper The Independent, U.S. troops
"dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on Fallujah during
(their) attack on the city in November 2004." According to
eyewitnesses of this atrocity, "phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it
melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned
bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud.
Anyone within a radius of 150 meters is done for."

That's a real achievement for a "pro-life" president who wanted to rid
the world of WMDs and make it safe for democracy.

Murder achieved by using weapons of mass destruction (18 U.S.C. 2332a)
or that involve torture (18 U.S.C. 2340) are death penalty offenses in
the United States. If President Bush and Vice President Cheney
authorized the use of white phosphorous, that is clearly a high crime
worthy of impeachment, removal from office and a criminal trial afterward.

Of course, don't expect a Republican-controlled Congress to be
prepared to investigate their corrupt brethren. The time has come to
restore Democratic control of Congress so they can investigate these
charges and take the appropriate action. It's time for a change in
Washington to protect the world from George Bush.

DAVID CARRIGAN

Clarksville 37043 ]
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LETTERS
Torture of prisoners is insult to American ideals

It is repulsive and shocking to Americans and combat veterans of
Vietnam that our warriors and soldiers have been involved in the
gruesome torture of Iraqi prisoners. Since the Abu Ghraib photos, we
are informed through many sources that a consistent policy of abuse
continues as a spinoff of this nefarious war that we initiated.

Our religious organizations, churches, synagogues and mosques
renounced this war before it began. Religious leaders at 75 percent of
major denominations counseled against the war. They gave a personal
briefing to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Also, the papacy spoke
out clearly against this war that has killed over 2,100 of our
soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi people.

Torture in any form is an insult to our American ideals, a terminal
disease, and is, simply, immoral.

The brutalizing and torturing of any prisoner is a moral and
theological issue. Our morality, ethics and ideals are corrupted by
the toleration of torturing. Sen. John McCain is prophetic in his
denouncement of such wickedness and inhumane treatment.

Torturing is having an adverse effect on our soldiers psychologically.
Let's protect our warriors from this harm and evil.

As people of faith, let us join the movement in proclaiming that
strict adherence to international law, the Geneva Convention, our
idealism, our sense of morality and our spiritual principles are to
govern our treatment of prisoners of war.

Through our faith, we can find the strength to confront any political
leader who wishes to sanction torture.

The prophet Micah gives us solid advice that applies in war and peace.
He announces: "What does the Lord require of you, but to do justly, to
love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God."

The application of this principle to our national policy, even in war,
eliminates the sanctioning of torture.

THE REV. CHARLES MORELAND

Clarksville 37040

Originally published November 30, 2005
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#3352 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:25 am
Subject: NYT: TN Students Ace State Tests, but Earn D's From FEDS
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(More evidence of how stupid an idea "No Child Left Behind" was!)

Students Ace State Tests, but Earn D's From U.S.


By SAM DILLON
Published: November 26, 2005

After Tennessee tested its eighth-grade students in math this year, state officials at a jubilant news conference called the results a "cause for celebration." Eighty-seven percent of students performed at or above the proficiency level. But when the federal government made public the findings of its own tests last month, the results were startlingly different: only 21 percent of Tennessee's eighth graders were considered proficient in math.

Such discrepancies have intensified the national debate over testing and accountability, with some educators saying that numerous states have created easy exams to avoid the sanctions that President Bush's centerpiece education law, No Child Left Behind, imposes on consistently low-scoring schools. A comparison of state test results against the latest National Assessment of Educational Progress, a federal test mandated by the No Child Left Behind law, shows that wide discrepancies between the state and federal findings were commonplace.

In Mississippi, 89 percent of fourth graders performed at or above proficiency on state reading tests, while only 18 percent of fourth graders demonstrated proficiency on the federal test. Oklahoma, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Alaska, Texas and more than a dozen other states all showed students doing far better on their own reading and math tests than on the federal one.

The chasm is significant because of the compromises behind the No Child Left Behind law. The law requires states to participate in the National Assessment - known to educators as NAEP (pronounced nape) - the most important federal measure of student proficiency.

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Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:25 am
Subject: Iraq Warned Against "Straitjacket" Oil Deals
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Iraq Warned Against "Straitjacket" Oil Deals
Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON, Nov 23 (IPS) - Oil exploration deals currently being
negotiated between the Washington-backed Iraqi government and
multinational oil companies could cost Iraqis up to 194 billion dollars
in lost revenues and transfer more than two-thirds of the country's oil
reserves to the control of foreign firms, a new report warns.

"In short, the winners for control of Iraq's oil are the U.S., the UK,
and their oil companies," said Steve Kretzmann of Oil Change
International and co-publisher of the report, "Crude Designs: The
Rip-Off of Iraq's Oil Wealth".

"The losers are the Iraqi people," he added.

The report says that by binding the interim Iraqi government to a type
of contract that gives the upper hand to their executives, multinational
oil companies will guarantee themselves fat profit margins of 42 to 162
percent, far more the usual industry target of around 12 percent.
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Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:26 am
Subject: 11/25 Transcript: Ann Coulter on Lou Dobbs
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Says she promised not to bring up Miers, but still calls for full
bipartisan investigation of it, 'officially' apologizes for attacking
Rove, claims Bush's numbers are low simply because of his failure to
address illegal immigration and then yadda-yadda Libby yadda yadda
Russert....(commercial break)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ROMANS: Congress is in recess next week, but at home and in the nation's
capital the battle over the withdrawal of our troops in Iraq continues.
Congressman John Murtha set off a firestorm last week with his call to
bring the troops home.

My next guest says she's tired of the Democratic Party calling in old
war veterans to do its dirty work. Conservative columnist and author Ann
Coulter joins me now.

Welcome to the program.

ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "HOW TO TALK TO A LIBERAL (IF YOU MUST)": Thank
you. Good to be here.

ROMANS: Maybe he is an old war veteran, but even a lot of the
Republicans like him. They say that he was always a hawk. They trust him
on defense issues.

COULTER: Yes, I'm not only tired of the Democrats. I'm tired of anyone
to the left of Jeanne Schmidt at this point.

I mean, one sort of surprising thing, I mean, is you can win a bar bet
on this. There are far more veterans in Congress who are Republicans
than Democrats. I mean, you don't have that impression at all.

You would think that every veteran, because you always hear chicken
hawk, chicken hawk, which is sort of an odd complaint. I mean, are they
saying that only people who served or are active in the military now
should -- should be able to have a say in the war? Because if so I'd
sign onto that immediately.

ROMANS: What about the legitimacy of the debate? The debate about
talking about time lines. It was not very long ago we were saying time
lines weren't very nice. Wasn't nice to our guys there. Was only helpful
to terrorists.

COULTER: Right. Well, I think this is -- I think this is a monumental
development, this vote last Friday. I mean whether, of course, on
principle you have a right to say timetables, war isn't going well,
bring the troops home. Americans are against it.

Yes, in principle you have a right to say that. But there's no question.
It's simply a fact that that is going to encourage the enemy and will
demoralize our side.

Now we know from the vote last Friday the Democrats don't even believe
it. They voted -- in the vote in the House was 403-3 against withdrawing
the troops. So why do they keep saying it's not going well, bring the
troops home, Americans have turned against it? I mean, you're down to
the only rationale being that they want to demoralize our side and
encourage the enemy.

ROMANS: Let me switch gears from Iraq for a moment, talk about the rest
of the president's agenda. You have got Alito.

COULTER: Yes.

ROMANS: You are a champion, a fan of Alito. What do you think -- will he
get the nomination? Will he be confirmed, and will -- will he make real
changes that the right would like?

COULTER: Well, there's a limit to how much changing he can do. I mean,
for example, the one issue, the only one the Democrats care about, Roe
v. Wade, even if both Roberts and Alito vote to overturn Roe v. Wade,
that's still just four votes. We don't know how Roberts is going to
vote. Right now, it's only Scalia and Thomas. So it's going to be awhile
before that happens.

But I do think, with the nomination hearing of Alito, we're going to see
the Democrats tell the NARAL ladies to take a back seat. I don't think
you're going to get a majority of the Senate, certainly, probably not
even a majority of Democrats voting against Alito, which is going to
upset the abortion -- pro-abortion fanatics.

ROMANS: You were not a fan of the Miers -- the Miers nomination. Why did
the White House nominate Miers in the first place? And why did they
nominate Alito right away?

COULTER: Why they nominated Miers, I would like a full bipartisan with
subpoena power investigation of why they nominated Miers. No, I have no
idea. Though I did say I wouldn't talk about it once he corrected the
mistake.

ROMANS: He corrected the mistake.

COULTER: And he corrected it.

ROMANS: Do you think there was a little bit of -- I don't know, a lot of
other things going on, maybe a White House leak case that maybe they
were off their game?

COULTER: I do think -- I do think it's probably time for me to apologize
for my attacks on Karl Rove. I mean, I think what you saw in that month
was Karl Rove being taken out of the equation, because he was under
criminal investigation. It's a serious matter even if there was never an
indictment of him. I imagine that was rather distracting. So he at least
has the excuse for not being responsible for Miers and perhaps I have
been...

ROMANS: Is that an official apology?

COULTER: Yes.

ROMANS: We'll make you get down on your knees for that.

But which brings me to the CIA, Bob Woodward, Scooter Libby. Bob
Woodward coming out this week and saying, "Listen, you know, I had a
conversation, too." What does that do to the Libby case?

COULTER: I think it's a bombshell. It is huge. And I try to avoid
talking too much about this case, because so much of it we don't know.
Grand jury as we know from all the nonsense before we finally got this
one little indictment of Scooter Libby.

But I don't think it helps the case against Libby. I think it hurts it
significantly in two ways. One way is Libby's defense is the big perjury
case he is claims he heard about Valerie Plame from Tim Russert. Tim
Russert says he heard about it from Libby.

Part of what Libby said was, "Reporters all knew this. I wasn't
revealing this to anyone. It was chatter among the reporters."

Well, now we at least know it's true one major reporter in Washington
knew at the "Washington Post," and he was telling other reporters at the
"Washington Post." That supports Libby to that extent.

And the other thing I think it shows is there is something to this
argument which I assume Libby will make about old memories. You forget
who told you what. There's so much confusion about who told Woodward
what and who he told and what they said and how they responded. I think
it helps Libby a lot.

ROMANS: Let me ask you quickly about the president's approval ratings,
or his disapproval ratings, I guess, depending on which number you want
to look at for a figure.

COULTER: I've heard they're not good.

ROMANS: Yes, they're not good. W at about his agenda, his strategy? I
mean, he has got, you know, a couple more years left here, and he's got
an agenda that includes, he says, border security and immigration
reform. You know, can he get it done?

COULTER: I think probably the reason his numbers aren't so high is that
he hasn't dealt with the border. So, yes, I think he can get a lot of
popular things done if he does things people want like keep fighting the
war on terrorism, pursue the course in Iraq, and actually shore up the
border, you know, and maybe another tax cut. I'm sure he can get support
for that.

ROMANS: Yes, I don't know. The border issue, though, I mean, there are
some people even within his party who say that it's just -- at this
point, it's just talk.

COULTER: Yes, I'm one of them.

ROMANS: Really? So we'll have to see if that talk really works into real
immigration reform, thoughtful immigration reform. All right. Ann
Coulter, we're out of time, but thank you so much for joining us.

COULTER: Thank you. Nice to see you again.

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Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:19 am
Subject: Lou Dobbs: Wal-Mart, and The High Cost of Low Prices
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ROMANS: As shoppers flock to Wal-Mart and other big box retailers this
holiday season, Wal-Mart's business practices the subject of two
strikingly different documentaries. One film is called "Wal-Mart: The
High Cost Of Low Price." It says Wal-Mart is a predatory retailer
destroying American communities. Lou talked to the producer and director
of the film, Robert Greenwald.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: The motivation for this film, you ran into
somebody and what happened?

ROBERT GREENWALD, DIRECTOR, "HIGH COST OF LOW PRICE": It was a neighbor
of mine who had just been hired. He got a job at Wal-Mart, and I
congratulated him saying that's great, you'll be able to get health care
benefits.

And he said well, no. And he explained. And I don't remember the precise
words, but he basically said, it's too expensive and it's too difficult.

But, then he said to me, totally sweetly, but those nice managers are
helping me fill out forms, so I can get state aid. And I said wait a
minute, the state -- California, this is -- is going to pay for your
health care, and you're working at Wal-Mart, a corporation that made $10
billion in profit?

DOBBS: How prevalent is that?

GREENWALD: Very, very prevalent. We have managers in the movie, between
them 46 years working at Wal-Mart,. They tell story after story of doing
it. This is systemic. This is not the rotten apple theory that Wal-Mart
would try to convince us.

DOBBS: Let me read to you the Wal-Mart statement. We asked them for a
statement in celebration of your appearance here this evening.

They said, "Mr. Greenwald's video is a one-sided, propaganda piece
designed to advance a narrow special interest agenda. In the trailer
alone, Greenwald makes three major errors in only three minutes.

"The fact is Wal-Mart saves working families hundreds and even thousands
of dollars every year. We believe the positive experiences of the 100
million Americans who shop our stores every week speak volumes more than
this video." How do you react?

GREENWALD: Well, it's pretty great that they can call a film that they
haven't seen propaganda.

Number one, they've not seen it.

Number two, I asked Lee Scott, CEO of Wal-Mart, to be in the film. I
asked him twice. He refused twice. Then I said I would publish all of
his text on the ...

DOBBS: You and I, by the way, are in good company.

We have asked Lee Scott to join us on this broadcast. I have had -- as a
matter of fact, I've had dinner with the man. But, he has never agreed
to be on this broadcast.

GREENWALD: Well, maybe he'll have dinner with me if he won't be in the
movie.

DOBBS: Well, I'd much prefer, candidly, that he be on the broadcast.

GREENWALD: But what we did, after he refused to be in the film, and he
doesn't know this yet, and maybe tonight will be the time he'll find
out, we used clips of Lee Scott, so he's become our narrator for the movie.

DOBBS: Well, as you look at this, I mean, what is your reaction to
Wal-Mart? Because Wal-Mart, of course, talks about the fact that they
have the lowest prices, they are baffo (ph). How do you respond to that?

GREENWALD: I spent a year, sevens day a week, literally, working on this
film. And the stories I've heard, the personal stories, are really quite
devastating.

It goes against everything that I believe, and I believe most Americans
believe and care about. They're destroying families. They're destroying
communities. They're destroying jobs.

They have a very serious problem because they have two huge groups that
they're alienating: workers, and then families all around the country.

DOBBS: Now, the alienation, what bothers me, in point of fact here, is
that Wal-Mart will not come on this broadcast and discuss these issues
that we raise, which our particular focus and point of fact is on the
well-being of the community, the well-being of the middle class of this
country.

And there are some serious issues in terms of the Chinese products that
they -- they're the third largest export market for China. What is the
cultural -- what makes this culturally possible for Wal-Mart to succeed
with the strategy that it employs? GREENWALD: Well, I think it's a
culture that's based-- I mean, there's two issues. One is they do have a
very good and efficient distribution system, but there's a culture sadly
that says it's OK to get every nickel out of everybody. And at a certain
point when you care about your country, you ask a question, when is it
greed?

DOBBS: That's a question we're asking too.

GREENWALD: $100 billion the family has, the Walton family. $100 billion.

DOBBS: When is it greed is the question that is being asked all too
often in this country daily.

Robert, we thank you very much for being here. We look forward to the film.

GREENWALD: Thank you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROMANS: Well, when we come back, we'll hear a very different perspective
on the Wal-Mart debate. The director of a new documentary will explain
why he says Wal-Mart works.

And heroes tonight. One of the servicemen we featured in our weekly
tribute, he found a hero of his own. We'll talk with a former Army
specialist and the man who changed his life.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ROMANS: Right before the break, we gave you the negative side of the
Wal-Mart debate. Now a completely different take on the Wal-Mart
business model. Lou talked to the director of the new documentary "Why
Wal-Mart Works And Why That Makes Some People Crazy."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DOBBS: Joining me now the director of "Why Wal-Mart Works," Ron Galloway.

Ron, good to have you here.

RON GALLOWAY, DIRECTOR, "WHY WAL-MART WORKS": Good to see you, Lou.

DOBBS: Wal-Mart's got to be excited. One fellow steps up to defend the
world's largest retailer.

GALLOWAY: If they're excited they're not showing it because they have
announced publicly through the AP that they're not carrying my film.
Now, they cooperated with me in a limited sense in giving me access to
the stores, but that's where my cooperation with them stopped.

DOBBS: I understand that you're an entrepreneur. You're a man who's
taken by the logistics side of Wal-Mart. And we're not going to get into
logistics here, if you don't mind.

GALLOWAY: Oh, please.

DOBBS: We'll stipulate that Wal-Mart is brilliant ...

GALLOWAY: OK.

DOBBS: ... in its operations, its logistical operations, certainly. But
at the same time, you're defending a company.

GALLOWAY: Occasionally, lately I feel like I'm out here defending the
indefensible. Wal-Mart on a logistics level works great. At the store
level they work great.

At the executive level and the middle it's almost like watching
Inspector Clouseau sometimes. I'm stuck in the awkward position of
defending a corporation at a time when a lot of strange things seem to
be happening in that corporation.

DOBBS: Strange things and here is the third largest export market for
China. They're sucking cheap imports into this country, driving
businesses ...

GALLOWAY: No, you're right.

DOBBS: And by the way, I want to say hi to the Wal-Mart war room.

Ron, wave into the camera. Wave into the camera. The Wal-Mart war room
is here to protect the institution, that's understandable. We just want
to be sure we say hi.

GALLOWAY: The China issue is interesting on a couple of fronts. One,
it's obviously good for the American consumer. They get lower prices.
It's good for the Chinese worker who maybe comes in from the country
earning $40 a month and gets a pay raise to $120. Now, what you're about
to say the American worker. There's been no solution for them because of
these Chinese imports.

DOBBS: And because of those imports, because of a trade policy that is
absolutely mindless on the part of this country, Wal-Mart, other
institutions exploiting it. I'm glad to hear you say you have some
qualms here.

GALLOWAY: I mean, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think
Wal-Mart recognized early on, earlier than most on, the advantages of
doing business with China, but it has severe repercussions for some here
at home. However, it does drive lower prices to consumers.

DOBBS: And that it does indeed and wages. We can get into that the next
time.

GALLOWAY: OK.

DOBBS: Ron, Galloway, good luck with your documentary. We thank you for
being here.

GALLOWAY: Thank you, sir.

DOBBS: We'll talk more, I'm sure, about this, as you defend this little
company called Wal-Mart. Thank you, Ron Galloway.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROMANS: Two views on Wal-Mart, two new films. That was Lou talking to
Ron Galloway, the director of "Why Wal-Mart Works," a film that made its
debut last week.

OK, a reminder now to vote in tonight's poll on the holiday shopping
frenzy across the country today. Listen carefully. Would you knock
someone to the ground for: A, a $400 laptop, B, a flat- screen TV, C, an
Xbox 360, D, all of the above, or E, none of the above. Cast your vote
at loudobbs.com. We'll bring you the results in just a few minutes.

Just ahead, we'll revisit one of our heroes, a soldier whose life was
changed forever in Iraq. But now thanks to a guardian angel, he's
fulfilling another one of his dreams.

And later, a firsthand account from the front lines. Former CNN reporter
Walt Rodgers reflects with his time in Iraq with the army's 7th Cavalry.

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Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel

By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
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Tuesday, Nov. 22, 2005

Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter.


The administration has refused to provide the Sept. 21 President's Daily Brief, even on a classified basis, and won't say anything more about it other than to acknowledge that it exists.




The information was provided to Bush on September 21, 2001 during the "President's Daily Brief," a 30- to 45-minute early-morning national security briefing. Information for PDBs has routinely been derived from electronic intercepts, human agents, and reports from foreign intelligence services, as well as more mundane sources such as news reports and public statements by foreign leaders.

One of the more intriguing things that Bush was told during the briefing was that the few credible reports of contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda involved attempts by Saddam Hussein to monitor the terrorist group. Saddam viewed Al Qaeda as well as other theocratic radical Islamist organizations as a potential threat to his secular regime. At one point, analysts believed, Saddam considered infiltrating the ranks of Al Qaeda with Iraqi nationals or even Iraqi intelligence operatives to learn more about its inner workings, according to records and sources.

The September 21, 2001, briefing was prepared at the request of the president, who was eager in the days following the terrorist attacks to learn all that he could about any possible connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Much of the contents of the September 21 PDB were later incorporated, albeit in a slightly different form, into a lengthier CIA analysis examining not only Al Qaeda's contacts with Iraq, but also Iraq's support for international terrorism. Although the CIA found scant evidence of collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the agency reported that it had long since established that Iraq had previously supported the notorious Abu Nidal terrorist organization, and had provided tens of millions of dollars and logistical support to Palestinian groups, including payments to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

The highly classified CIA assessment was distributed to President Bush, Vice President Cheney, the president's national security adviser and deputy national security adviser, the secretaries and undersecretaries of State and Defense, and various other senior Bush administration policy makers, according to government records.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked the White House for the CIA assessment, the PDB of September 21, 2001, and dozens of other PDBs as part of the committee's ongoing investigation into whether the Bush administration misrepresented intelligence information in the run-up to war with Iraq. The Bush administration has refused to turn over these documents.

Indeed, the existence of the September 21 PDB was not disclosed to the Intelligence Committee until the summer of 2004, according to congressional sources. Both Republicans and Democrats requested then that it be turned over. The administration has refused to provide it, even on a classified basis, and won't say anything more about it other than to acknowledge that it exists.

On November 18, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said he planned to attach an amendment to the fiscal 2006 intelligence authorization bill that would require the Bush administration to give the Senate and House intelligence committees copies of PDBs for a three-year period. After Democrats and Republicans were unable to agree on language for the amendment, Kennedy said he would delay final action on the matter until Congress returns in December.

The conclusions drawn in the lengthier CIA assessment-which has also been denied to the committee-were strikingly similar to those provided to President Bush in the September 21 PDB, according to records and sources. In the four years since Bush received the briefing, according to highly placed government officials, little evidence has come to light to contradict the CIA's original conclusion that no collaborative relationship existed between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

"What the President was told on September 21," said one former high-level official, "was consistent with everything he has been told since-that the evidence was just not there."

In arguing their case for war with Iraq, the president and vice president said after the September 11 attacks that Al Qaeda and Iraq had significant ties, and they cited the possibility that Iraq might share chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons with Al Qaeda for a terrorist attack against the United States.

Democrats in Congress, as well as other critics of the Bush administration, charge that Bush and Cheney misrepresented and distorted intelligence information to bolster their case for war with Iraq. The president and vice president have insisted that they unknowingly relied on faulty and erroneous intelligence, provided mostly by the CIA.

The new information on the September 21 PDB and the subsequent CIA analysis bears on the question of what the CIA told the president and how the administration used that information as it made its case for war with Iraq.

The central rationale for going to war against Iraq, of course, was that Saddam Hussein had biological and chemical weapons, and that he was pursuing an aggressive program to build nuclear weapons. Despite those claims, no weapons were ever discovered after the war, either by United Nations inspectors or by U.S. military authorities.

Much of the blame for the incorrect information in statements made by the president and other senior administration officials regarding the weapons-of-mass-destruction issue has fallen on the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies.

In April 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in a bipartisan report that the CIA's prewar assertion that Saddam's regime was "reconstituting its nuclear weapons program" and "has chemical and biological weapons" were "overstated, or were not supported by the underlying intelligence provided to the Committee."

The Bush administration has cited that report and similar findings by a presidential commission as evidence of massive CIA intelligence failures in assessing Iraq's unconventional-weapons capability.

Bush and Cheney have also recently answered their critics by ascribing partisan motivations to them and saying their criticism has the effect of undermining the war effort. In a speech on November 11, the president made his strongest comments to date on the subject: "Baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." Since then, he has adopted a different tone, and he said on his way home from Asia on November 21, "This is not an issue of who is a patriot or not."

In his own speech to the American Enterprise Institute yesterday, Cheney also changed tone, saying that "disagreement, argument, and debate are the essence of democracy" and the "sign of a healthy political system." He then added: "Any suggestion that prewar information was distorted, hyped, or fabricated by the leader of the nation is utterly false."

Although the Senate Intelligence Committee and the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, commonly known as the 9/11 commission, pointed to incorrect CIA assessments on the WMD issue, they both also said that, for the most part, the CIA and other agencies did indeed provide policy makers with accurate information regarding the lack of evidence of ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

But a comparison of public statements by the president, the vice president, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld show that in the days just before a congressional vote authorizing war, they professed to have been given information from U.S. intelligence assessments showing evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link.

"You can't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror," President Bush said on September 25, 2002.

The next day, Rumsfeld said, "We have what we consider to be credible evidence that Al Qaeda leaders have sought contacts with Iraq who could help them acquire … weapons-of-mass-destruction capabilities."

The most explosive of allegations came from Cheney, who said that September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center, had met in Prague, in the Czech Republic, with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, five months before the attacks. On December 9, 2001, Cheney said on NBC's Meet the Press: "[I]t's pretty well confirmed that [Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in [the Czech Republic] last April, several months before the attack."

Cheney continued to make the charge, even after he was briefed, according to government records and officials, that both the CIA and the FBI discounted the possibility of such a meeting.

Credit card and phone records appear to demonstrate that Atta was in Virginia Beach, Va., at the time of the alleged meeting, according to law enforcement and intelligence officials. Al-Ani, the Iraqi intelligence official with whom Atta was said to have met in Prague, was later taken into custody by U.S. authorities. He not only denied the report of the meeting with Atta, but said that he was not in Prague at the time of the supposed meeting, according to published reports.

In June 2004, the 9/11 commission concluded: "There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between Al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and Al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

Regarding the alleged meeting in Prague, the commission concluded: "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."

Still, Cheney did not concede the point. "We have never been able to prove that there was a connection to 9/11," Cheney said after the commission announced it could not find significant links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. But the vice president again pointed out the existence of a Czech intelligence service report that Atta and the Iraqi agent had met in Prague. "That's never been proved. But it's never been disproved," Cheney said.

The following month, July 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in its review of the CIA's prewar intelligence: "Despite four decades of intelligence reporting on Iraq, there was little useful intelligence collected that helped analysts determine the Iraqi regime's possible links to al-Qaeda."

One reason that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld made statements that contradicted what they were told in CIA briefings might have been that they were receiving information from another source that purported to have evidence of Al Qaeda-Iraq ties. The information came from a covert intelligence unit set up shortly after the September 11 attacks by then-Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith.

Feith was a protégé of, and intensely loyal to, Cheney, Rumsfeld, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, and Cheney's then-chief of staff and national security adviser, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby. The secretive unit was set up because Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Libby did not believe the CIA would be able to get to the bottom of the matter of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties. The four men shared a long-standing distrust of the CIA from their earlier positions in government, and felt that the agency had failed massively by not predicting the September 11 attacks.

At first, the Feith-directed unit primarily consisted of two men, former journalist Michael Maloof and David Wurmser, a veteran of neoconservative think tanks. They liked to refer to themselves as the "Iraqi intelligence cell" of the Pentagon. And they took pride in the fact that their office was in an out-of-the-way cipher-locked room, with "charts that rung the room from one end to the other" showing the "interconnections of various terrorist groups" with one another and, most important, with Iraq, Maloof recalled in an interview.

They also had the heady experience of briefing Rumsfeld twice, and Feith more frequently, Maloof said. The vice president's office also showed great interest in their work. On at least three occasions, Maloof said, Samantha Ravich, then-national security adviser for terrorism to Cheney, visited their windowless offices for a briefing.

But neither Maloof nor Wurmser had any experience or formal training in intelligence analysis. Maloof later lost his security clearance, for allegedly failing to disclose a relationship with a woman who is a foreigner, and after allegations that he leaked classified information to the press. Maloof said in the interview that he has done nothing wrong and was simply being punished for his controversial theories. Wurmser has since been named as Cheney's Middle East adviser.

In January 2002, Maloof and Wurmser were succeeded at the intelligence unit by two Naval Reserve officers. Intelligence analysis from the covert unit later served as the basis for many of the erroneous public statements made by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others regarding the alleged ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, according to former and current government officials. Intense debates still rage among longtime intelligence and foreign policy professionals as to whether those who cited the information believed it, or used it as propaganda. The unit has since been disbanded.

Earlier this month, on November 14, the Pentagon's inspector general announced an investigation into whether Feith and others associated with the covert intelligence unit engaged in "unauthorized, unlawful, or inappropriate intelligence activities." In a statement, Feith said he is "confident" that investigators will conclude that his "office worked properly and in fact improved the intelligence product by asking good questions."

The Senate Intelligence Committee has also been conducting its own probe of the Pentagon unit. But as was first disclosed by The American Prospect in an article by reporter Laura Rozen, that probe had been hampered by a lack of cooperation from Feith and the Pentagon.

Internal Pentagon records show not only that the small Pentagon unit had the ear of the highest officials in the government, but also that Rumsfeld and others considered the unit as a virtual alternative to intelligence analyses provided by the CIA.

On July 22, 2002, as the run-up to war with Iraq was underway, one of the Naval Reserve officers detailed to the unit sent Feith an e-mail saying that he had just heard that then-Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz wanted "the Iraqi intelligence cell … to prepare an intel briefing on Iraq and links to al-Qaida for the SecDef" and that he was not to tell anyone about it.

After that briefing was delivered, Wolfowitz sent Feith and other officials a note saying: "This was an excellent briefing. The Secretary was very impressed. He asked us to think about possible next steps to see if we can illuminate the differences between us and CIA. The goal was not to produce a consensus product, but rather to scrub one another's arguments."

On September 16, 2002, two days before the CIA produced a major assessment of Iraq's ties to terrorism, the Naval Reserve officers conducted a briefing for Libby and Stephen J. Hadley, then the deputy national security adviser to President Bush.

In a memorandum to Wolfowitz, Feith wrote: "The briefing went very well and generated further interest from Mr. Hadley and Mr. Libby." Both men, the memo went on, requested follow-up material, most notably a "chronology of Atta's travels," a reference to the discredited allegation of an Atta-Iraqi meeting in Prague.

In their presentation, the naval reserve briefers excluded the fact that the FBI and CIA had developed evidence that the alleged meeting had never taken place, and that even the Czechs had disavowed it.

The Pentagon unit also routinely second-guessed the CIA's highly classified assessments. Regarding one report titled "Iraq and al-Qaeda: Interpreting a Murky Relationship," one of the Naval Reserve officers wrote: "The report provides evidence from numerous intelligence sources over the course of a decade on interactions between Iraq and al-Qaida. In this regard, the report is excellent. Then in its interpretation of this information, CIA attempts to discredit, dismiss, or downgrade much of this reporting, resulting in inconsistent conclusions in many instances. Therefore, the CIA report should be read for content only-and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored."

This same antipathy toward the CIA led to the events that are the basis of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity, according to several former and current senior officials.

Ironically, the Plame affair's origins had its roots in Cheney and Libby's interest in reports that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium yellowcake from Niger to build a nuclear weapon. After reading a Pentagon report on the matter in early February 2002, Cheney asked the CIA officer who provided him with a national security briefing each morning if he could find out about it.

Without Cheney's knowledge, his query led to the CIA-sanctioned trip to Niger by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, to investigate the allegations. Wilson reported back to the CIA that the allegations were most likely not true.

Despite that conclusion, President Bush, in his State of the Union address in 2003, included the Niger allegation in making the case to go to war with Iraq. In July 2003, after the war had begun, Wilson publicly charged that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence information to make the case to go to war.

Libby and Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove told reporters that Wilson's had been sent to Niger on the recommendation of his wife, Plame. In the process, the leaks led to the unmasking of Plame, the appointment of Fitzgerald, the jailing of a New York Times reporter for 85 days, and a federal grand jury indictment of Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting to conceal his role in leaking Plame's name to the press.

The Plame affair was not so much a reflection of any personal animus toward Wilson or Plame, says one former senior administration official who knows most of the principals involved, but rather the direct result of long-standing antipathy toward the CIA by Cheney, Libby, and others involved. They viewed Wilson's outspoken criticism of the Bush administration as an indirect attack by the spy agency.

Those grievances were also perhaps illustrated by comments that Vice President Cheney himself wrote on one of Feith's reports detailing purported evidence of links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. In barely legible handwriting, Cheney wrote in the margin of the report:

"This is very good indeed … Encouraging … Not like the crap we are all so used to getting out of CIA."

-- Murray Waas is a Washington-based writer and frequent contributor to National Journal. Several of his previous stories are also available online.

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Nixon ordered Cambodia cover-up
Richard Nixon told top aides involved in Vietnam to lie to the public about US
operations in neighbouring Cambodia, files released in Washington show. He
ordered the deception at a meeting of his top military and national security
aides in 1970, a month after admitting publicly to a secret war. "Publicly, we
say one thing - actually, we do another," the president said in a memo after the
meeting. About 14,000 US troops were in Cambodia hunting North Vietnamese
forces.

Just do it. Don't come back and ask permission each time
Nixon instruction to aides running operations in Cambodia

Nixon's revelation of the operation sparked protests and congressional
action over what many US lawmakers viewed as an illegal war. When he called
the security meeting at his Western White House in California on 31 May, it was
to tell his aides to carry on without regard to public opinion at home. "I
want you to put the air in there and not spare the horses - do not withdraw for
domestic reasons but only for military reasons," the files released by the US
National Archives show him as saying. "Just do it. Don't come back and ask
permission each time." "We cannot sit here and let the enemy believe that
Cambodia is our last gasp," he argued in the memo, marked as "Eyes Only, Top
Secret Sensitive". Nixon noted that Americans already believed the Cambodian
operation was "all but over". He also ordered plans for offensive operations
in neutral Laos and a summer offensive in South Vietnam. The 50,000 pages of
documents newly released show growing concern about the
course of the war in Vietnam and the ability of the South Vietnamese
government, in particular.


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Date: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:40 pm
Subject: Videos: Murtha on Hardball & Schmidt's 'run and cut'
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On MSNBC's Hardball, Rep. John
Murtha spells out his Iraq proposal,
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effort to prevent it's consideration:
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Schmidt attacks Rep. Murtha on the House floor,
Republican leadership, in the interest of covering their tracks,
forces Schmidt to 'run and cut' her words from the record:
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C&L: Jean Schmidt tries to prove that she is brave,
patriotic, and Republican by stealing the chorus
costumes from a community theatre's production of
"Yankee Doodle Dandy."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/19.html#a5963

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Subject: 100 Arrested at Wal-Mart Construction Site
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100 Arrested at Wal-Mart Construction Site


ALLENTOWN, Pa. (AP) -- Federal immigration agents detained more than 100 workers at a construction site for a new Wal-Mart distribution center, authorities said.

The workers, who Wal-Mart said were employed by a subcontractor and not by the retailing giant, were detained Thursday on suspected immigration violations, said Department of Homeland Security spokesman Marc Raimondi. They were being taken to Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention centers for processing, he said.

More than 50 federal immigration agents, joined by the U.S. Labor Department, Social Security Administration and state police, raided the construction site near Pottsville, about 80 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

Wal-Mart spokesman Marty Heires said the company would cooperate fully with federal authorities.

"We have written contracts with these subcontractors requiring that they follow all applicable local, state and federal employment laws," he said in a statement.

At least 120 illegal immigrants, most of them from Mexico, were detained, Schuylkill County Sheriff Frank McAndrew said. He said he began investigating the site and contacted federal officials after getting complaints from local tradespeople.

"You've got a situation here where illegal immigrants are coming into Schuylkill County and taking (local union workers') jobs for eight bucks an hour. They are working for poverty wages, and creating unemployment because our skilled tradesmen are out of work," McAndrew said.

In 2003, a raid of 60 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states led to the arrests of 245 illegal workers. An affidavit claimed a pair of senior Wal-Mart executives knew cleaning contractors were hiring illegal immigrants. The retailer agreed to pay $11 million in March to settle the case but denied senior executives knew of the hirings.

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Veterans Day Outrage: Conservatives End 55-Year-Old Practice of Hearings for Vet Groups

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On Tuesday — three days before Veterans Day — House Veterans’ Affairs Committee Chairman Steve Buyer (R-IN) announced that for the first time in at least 55 years, “veterans service organizations will no longer have the opportunity to present testimony before a joint hearing of the House and Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committees.”

Remember that Buyer was handpicked by criminally-indicted Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) to replace former veterans committee chairman Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), who had been extremely vocal about the consistent underfunding of veterans causes.

The Disabled American Veterans, the “official voice of America’s service-connected disabled veterans,” just issued a scathing release calling the move “an insult to all who have fought, sacrificed and died to defend the Constitution.” The timing, they said, “could not have been worse.”

Read the full release here. (More from The Hill.)


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Date: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:57 am
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Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

August 17, 2005 | Issue 41•33

KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

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Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.

According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.

The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."

"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.

Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.

"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."

Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.

"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."

"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"

Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.

"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."

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Date: Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:39 am
Subject: GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline
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GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Nov 10, 2005, 06:19

A confidential memo circulating among senior Republican leaders suggests that a new attack by terrorists on U.S. soil could reverse the sagging fortunes of President George W. Bush as well as the GOP and "restore his image as a leader of the American people."

The closely-guarded memo lays out a list of scenarios to bring the Republican party back from the political brink, including a devastating attack by terrorists that could “validate” the President’s war on terror and allow Bush to “unite the country” in a “time of national shock and sorrow.”

The memo says such a reversal in the President's fortunes could keep the party from losing control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections.

GOP insiders who have seen the memo admit it’s a risky strategy and point out that such scenarios are “blue sky thinking” that often occurs in political planning sessions.

“The President’s popularity was at an all-time high following the 9/11 attacks,” admits one aide. “Americans band together at a time of crisis.”

Other Republicans, however, worry that such a scenario carries high risk, pointing out that an attack might suggest the President has not done enough to protect the country.

“We also have to face the fact that many Americans no longer trust the President,” says a longtime GOP strategist. “That makes it harder for him to become a rallying point.”

The memo outlines other scenarios, including:

--Capture of Osama bin Laden (or proof that he is dead);

--A drastic turnaround in the economy;

--A "successful resolution" of the Iraq war.

GOP memos no longer talk of “victory” in Iraq but use the term “successful resolution.”

“A successful resolution would be us getting out intact and civil war not breaking out until after the midterm elections,” says one insider.

The memo circulates as Tuesday’s disastrous election defeats have left an already dysfunctional White House in chaos, West Wing insiders say, with shouting matches commonplace and the blame game escalating into open warfare.

“This place is like a high-school football locker room after the team lost the big game,” grumbles one Bush administration aide. “Everybody’s pissed and pointing the finger at blame at everybody else.”

Republican gubernatorial losses in Virginia and New Jersey deepened rifts between the Bush administration and Republicans who find the President radioactive. Arguments over whether or not the President should make a last-minute appearance in Virginia to try and help the sagging campaign fortunes of GOP candidate Jerry Kilgore raged until the minute Bush arrived at the rally in Richmond Monday night.

“Cooler heads tried to prevail,” one aide says. “Most knew an appearance by the President would hurt Kilgore rather than help him but (Karl) Rove rammed it through, convincing Bush that he had enough popularity left to make a difference.”

Bush didn’t have any popularity left. Overnight tracking polls showed Kilgore dropped three percentage points after the President’s appearance and Democrat Tim Kaine won on Tuesday.

Conservative Pennsylvania Republican Senator Rick Santorum told radio talk show host Don Imus Wednesday that he does not want the President's help and will stay away from a Bush rally in his state on Friday.

The losses in Virginia and New Jersey, coupled with a resounding defeat of ballot initiatives backed by GOP governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in California have set off alarm klaxons throughout the demoralized Republican party.  Pollsters privately tell GOP leaders that unless they stop the slide they could easily lose control of the House in the 2006 midterm elections and may lose the Senate as well.

“In 30 years of sampling public opinion, I’ve never seen such a freefall in public support,” admits one GOP pollster.

Democratic pollster Geoffrey Garin says the usual tricks tried by Republicans no longer work.

"None of their old tricks worked," he says.

Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) admits the GOP is a party mired in its rural base in a country that's becoming less and less rural.

"You play to your rural base, you pay a price," he says. "Our issues blew up in our face."

As Republican political strategists scramble to find a message – any message – that will ring true with voters, GOP leaders in Congress admit privately that control of their party by right-wing extremists makes their recovery all but impossible.

“We’ve made our bed with these people,” admits an aide to House Speaker Denny Hastert. “Now it’s the morning after and the hangover hurts like hell.”

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#3338 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 1:13 pm
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CBS News: presidential Plunge in Poll Numbers 




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#3337 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 10:34 pm
Subject: PA courtcase exposes ID advocates web of deceit
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Saturday, November 05, 2005

The ID Advocates Are Liars

Well, I didn't say it, not this time. But as I did point out just yesterday, ID proponents are not only liars: they're particularly bad ones.

But this time, the plaintiffs' lawyer called them liars, in his closing argument during the Pennsylvania school case:
In his blunt closing argument, the plaintiffs' lawyer, Eric Rothschild, accused the intelligent design movement of lying, just as he said the school board members had lied when they testified that their purpose for changing the science curriculum had nothing to do with religion.

They lied, he said, when they testified that they did not make or hear religious declarations at board meetings, and when they claimed they did not know that 50 copies of an intelligent design textbook were bought for the school with money collected at a church and funneled through the father of a school board member, Alan Bonsell.

This week, the judge himself grew agitated as he questioned Mr. Bonsell about whether he had lied about the books. Mr. Rothschild reminded the judge of that interchange and said that the board's dishonesty "mimics" the intelligent design movement.

"Its essential religious nature does not change whether it is called 'creation science' or 'intelligent design' or 'sudden emergence theory,' " Mr. Rothschild said. "The shell game has to stop."
Well, Hallelujah and pass the Darwin! That oughta confuse them.

Here are a few more tidbits about Bonsell:
The campaign to teach creationism alongside evolution was largely driven by two school board members, William Buckingham and Mr. Bonsell, who both testified that they believe the Bible's account of creation is literally true.

Michael R. Baksa, the assistant superintendent of the Dover schools, testified Thursday that when he started his job there in 2002, Mr. Bonsell handed him a copy of "The Myth of Separation," a book by David Barton which argues that the founding fathers intended to create a Christian nation, not one in which church and state were separate.

In 2004, after the board passed its policy on intelligent design, Mr. Baksa received a cynical e-mail message from a social studies teacher saying that since the district was transformed from being "standards driven" to "living word driven," maybe the social studies curriculum should change, too. Mr. Baksa responded: "Feel free to borrow my copy" of the "Myth" book "to get an idea of where the board is coming from."
Let's give the final word to Mr. Rothschild, as the story does:
Robert Muise, a lawyer for the board, said his strategy was to present scientists as expert witnesses to prove that there is a complex debate among scientists. "It's going to be difficult for the judge to decide" whether the pro- or the anti-intelligent-design scientists are right, Mr. Muise said.

But Mr. Rothschild said, "This isn't really science against science because that would be two competing arguments based on evidence, research and peer-reviewed articles - and intelligent design has none of those."
Imagine that. Calling the IDers on their lies and
anti-science religious propaganda.

Let it be a trend. If only certain of the NYT's
own reporters were this smart...
posted by Arthur Silber at 6:24 PM
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2005/11/id-advocates-are-liars.html

#3335 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 2:25 pm
Subject: Tennessean: Wal-Mart gets a sweet deal from government
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Monday, 11/07/05

Wal-Mart gets a sweet deal from government

Attention, Wal-Mart employees. Don't expect the U.S. Labor Department to enforce labor laws where you work.

Over four years, Labor Department inspectors documented 85 Wal-Mart workers, age 16 and 17, who were operating dangerous equipment including chain saws and fork lifts. The investigation covered three states. Early last year, Wal-Mart and the Labor Department sat down to settle the child labor violations.

Yet the settlement that surfaced was suspiciously limp-wristed. Officials of Connecticut, where many of the violations occurred, were incensed that Wal-Mart was only fined $135,540 for such flagrant violations. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., asked the Labor Department's inspector general to investigate the settlement. Last week, the inspector issued his report, which concluded that Wal-Mart received "serious concessions" from Labor officials.

Under the agreement, all complaints lodged by Wal-Mart workers about wage-and-hour violations are forwarded to Wal-Mart's headquarters. Wal-Mart then has 15 days before the Department of Labor can investigate the alleged violation. If the Labor Department eventually finds Wal-Mart in violation of a wage-and-hour law, Wal-Mart is given 10 days to right the wrong before any penalties apply.

The inspector general concluded that the settlement was "significantly different" from similar agreements between Labor and other companies, and was at odds with Labor Department guidelines. He also raised concerns because Wal-Mart attorneys wrote specific settlement provisions that were never challenged by Labor officials.

Labor Department officials have insisted that they didn't give Wal-Mart a sweetheart deal, but deals don't get much sweeter than 15 days notice before an investigation and another 10 before a penalty.

Ironically, Wal-Mart is now launching a massive public relations effort patterned after a campaign war room. Wal-Mart has brought in Ronald Reagan's image guru, Michael Deaver, to help the company craft responses to charges from organized labor and others that Wal-Mart is unfair to workers.

The largest retailer in the world can certainly afford the PR effort. But U.S. workers cannot afford a Labor Department that treats workplace violations as no big deal.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051107/OPINION01/511070330/1008


#3334 From: guruoo2 <guruoo2@...>
Date: Sat Nov 5, 2005 3:10 pm
Subject: Senate testimony: Ralph Reed's Anti-gambling work funded by Casino
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Reed's fees all paid by casino


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Published on: 11/03/05

WASHINGTON — Ralph Reed's anti-gambling work in Texas and Louisiana was funded by an Indian tribe that derives all of its income from a single casino, according to U.S. Senate testimony Wednesday.

Reed, the former Christian Coalition leader who is running for lieutenant governor of Georgia, is an avowed opponent of legalized gambling. He has said he never knowingly accepted gambling money.

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Ralph Reed said that if his payments came from gambling, 'it was contrary to my understanding.'
 



But Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who hired Reed to manage the campaign, made it clear to Reed that he was working for the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, according to a Feb. 11, 2002, e-mail released after the hearing.

And testimony Wednesday before the U.S. Senate Indian Affairs Committee indicated that the tribe has no source of income besides its Grand Casino Coushatta, Louisiana's largest land-based casino with 3,000 slot machines and an annual income of $300 million.

In a prepared statement after the hearing, Reed said he had been assured by Abramoff's law firm that his payments did not come from gambling. If they did, Reed said, "it was contrary to my understanding. Nevertheless, I accept responsibility for any difficulty this may have caused the grass-roots citizens and religious leaders with whom we worked, which I deeply regret."

Source of cash obscured

The revelations of Wednesday's hearing and documents released later follow months of reports about Reed's anti-gambling work as a subcontractor to Abramoff, his longtime friend. Abramoff is now the target of several congressional and criminal investigations into whether he defrauded his tribal clients. Reed has not been accused of wrongdoing.

Wednesday's hearing, the fourth in a series, examined Abramoff's dealings with the Coushatta tribe, which wanted to block competition — whether from rival tribes or private gaming interests.

Payments to Reed's firm, Duluth-based Century Strategies, were sent through third-party organizations that obscured the source of the money, according to testimony and documents. U.S. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) alleged the shuffling of funds was conducted "at the request of Mr. Reed ? because of Reed's concern about being publicly associated with gaming money."

The e-mails indicate Reed was aware of the circuitous route his payments were making, but Reed's campaign staff disputed that it was done at his request.

"The false charges of Senator Dorgan have a lot more to do with partisan politics than they do with the facts," said Reed spokeswoman Lisa Baron. "The law firm [of Abramoff], not Ralph, directed how Century Strategies was paid for its work."

A staffer for Dorgan said his allegation was based on unpublished testimony from a witness, not the 318 pages of documents released Wednesday.

According to testimony at earlier hearings, Reed was paid a total of at least $4 million to drum up public opposition to the expansion of gambling in Louisiana and Texas, with money from the Coushattas.

Reed engaged in sophisticated TV, radio and grass-roots campaigns that involved some of the biggest names in the American evangelical movement, including James Dobson of the Family Research Council and Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition.

But according to the e-mails, Reed's connection to the Coushattas was a closely guarded secret. In a March 21, 2001, e-mail to Robertson, Reed declared that he was working "on behalf of the pro-family forces in Louisiana and we would love to have a message from you."

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, described the activities of Abramoff — once the most powerful Republican lobbyist in Washington — as "breathtaking."

Testimony ranged from Abramoff's alleged attempt to influence officials in Washington who decide which tribes are permitted to open casinos, to Reed's involvement with the Coushattas.

Tribal leaders and their attorney testified that Reed was hired by Abramoff to address threats — some real, some exaggerated — to the tribe's prize jewel: the Grand Casino Coushatta in Kinder, La.

In past statements, Reed has said that while he knew of Abramoff's long list of gambling clients, he didn't know his anti-gambling efforts in Louisiana and Texas were being financed by casino cash. That distinction has become important to his current Republican campaign for lieutenant governor, which has relied in large part on his connections to the Christian evangelical community.

In e-mails, Reed and Abramoff often relied on euphemisms, making references to "our clients" or "our friends" or even "the originating entity."

But on Feb. 11, 2002, Reed e-mailed Abramoff with a local Louisiana newspaper article that noted the Coushattas were attempting to block a bid by the rival Jena Band of Choctaws to open a competing casino.

Within the hour, Abramoff replied: "That's our client. We did the [press] release."

Baron, the Reed spokeswoman, said the e-mail exchange carried no significance. "We did not know that the Louisiana Coushattas were contributing to our efforts until press accounts in 2004," Baron said.

'Bring out the wackos'

In testimony, current and former Coushatta leaders described the path that $400,000 took to reach Reed's consulting firm. It went from the tribe to Southern Underwriters, a company run by the tribe's chief financial officer. From there it went to the American International Center, a think tank whose chief officer was an odd-jobbing lifeguard. Then the money went to Reed's firm.

"The payments were made to Ralph Reed. This was done with the whole council's approval," William Worfel, a former tribal government official, testified. Asked if Reed knew the origin of the money, Worfel replied: "I don't want to speculate, but he should know."

Reed's activities fit a pattern explored in a previous hearing of the Indian Affairs committee.

Two years earlier, Reed had worked with Abramoff, fighting a state lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama, largely through that state's Christian Coalition chapter. Financing came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaws, another Indian tribe with casino interests to protect.

In that case, Reed and the Choctaws said the money came from the tribe's non-gaming businesses — although e-mails indicated Reed helped hide the cash's origins by funneling it through other organizations.

Reed had also helped kill a proposed ban on Internet gambling on behalf of eLottery Inc., an Abramoff client eager to sell state lottery tickets on-line. But the Coushattas may have been Abramoff's richest client.

"As Mr. Abramoff had learned with other clients, mobilizing and manipulating the Christian Coalition was an effective way to turn back potential gaming competitors," Dorgan said.

In an e-mail sent to Kathryn Van Hoof, a former outside lawyer for the Coushatta tribe, Abramoff's partner, Michael Scanlon, boiled down Reed's importance to the project: "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them. The wackos get their information [from] the Christian right, Christian radio, e-mail, the Internet and telephone trees," Scanlon wrote.

Jim Galloway reported from Washington. Alan Judd reported from Atlanta.


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Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 7:05 pm
Subject: The Report They Forgot
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Update: Sen. Roberts indicated on Tuesday that he was basically done with his investigation and we could expect something as soon as this week. He didn't understand why Senate Majority leader Bill Frist had agreed to appoint a task force of three Republican and three Democratic Senators to report back to the full Senate on the status of Roberts' missing investigation.

The Report They Forgot
From our November issue: The Fitzgerald probe reminds us:
Whatever happened to Pat Roberts' Phase II intelligence report?

By Laura Rozen
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In February 2004, the Senate Select Intelligence Committee (SSCI) announced that it had unanimously agreed to expand its investigation of prewar Iraq intelligence from focus on intelligence community blunders and into the more controversial area of “whether intelligence was exaggerated or misused” by U.S. government officials. The committee’s ranking Democrat, Jay Rockefeller, struck the agreement with Chairman Pat Roberts -- provided, Roberts insisted, that the probe into policy-makers’ activities wait until after the presidential election.

It’s now more than a year later, and Rockefeller is still waiting -- the Phase II report has yet to appear. What happened? And why isn’t Rockefeller making more of a fuss?

Republican committee staffers don’t deny that Roberts lacks enthusiasm for Phase II. But they insist that he hasn’t acted to kill the investigation, and that the last interviews needed to complete it are being wrapped up. Ultimately, they say, it will be up to the committee’s members to vote on whether or not to release a report.

“The investigation is ongoing,” one committee staffer says. “It is sort of in the ending stage. Every once in awhile, a little campaign gets going that it’s being buried or covered up. That doesn’t reflect reality. [Roberts] is not ambiguous. He thinks it’s a monumental waste of our time, but we’re doing it.”

Democratic staffers confirm that after a long stall, the investigation is again limping forward. “I'm cautiously optimistic that we're actually -- finally -- going to wrap it up,” Wendy Morigi, spokeswoman for Rockefeller, e-mailed the Prospect. “Frankly, I think they’ve felt significant public pressure to finish it ... . Now the trick is going to be to make sure that we have a public report that is an honest, fair, and accurate picture of what happened. And that is where we're likely to find another struggle.”

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Through all the delays, Rockefeller hasn’t exactly been Mr. Aggressive in pushing Roberts to abide by his promise for swift action. There are several reasons why. The most obvious is simple math: The Republicans have more votes on the committee than the Democrats. “In fairness, if you follow the committee rules and procedures, which [Rockefeller] is trying to do, he has been slam-dunked by the Republicans,” one source says. “And they have the votes.”

A second problem for Rockefeller: An internal staff memo urging him to call for an independent investigation of the administration’s use of Iraq intelligence was leaked to FOX News’ Sean Hannity in November 2003. The resulting mini-furor that erupted in the right-wing media has contributed to Rockefeller’s reluctance to act.

But the main reason he has been inhibited is that previous public comments he made apparently caused the Pentagon to abruptly stop cooperating with the investigation. At the July 2004 press conference occasioned by the release of the Phase I report, Rockefeller asserted that certain activities of members of the office of then–Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, including a secret Rome meeting with the Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, might have been “unlawful.” At that point, Feith’s office simply stopped cooperating with the investigation, and Roberts hasn’t compelled Feith or his staff to comply. “[The Defense Department] got very skittish about volunteering as they had been up to that point,” an SSCI staffer told the Prospect. “They got all lawyered up. Roberts’ position, and [the Defense Department’s], has been either ‘show us what you’re talking about’ or ‘withdraw the statement and we’ll continue our cooperation with you.’ Rockefeller wouldn’t do either.”

But committee staff sources say that before the cooperation ceased, the committee had received from Feith’s office internal memos suggesting that the office may indeed have been conducting unlawful activities. In particular, Democratic staffers are interested in a secret December 2001 meeting of two Feith deputies, Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode, with Ghorbanifar in Rome. The meeting also included members of a foreign intelligence service (Italy’s SISMI). The catch is that it wasn’t reported in advance to the intelligence committee or the CIA, in possible violation of Section 502 of the National Security Act, which says that anyone conducting intelligence activities must inform the committee and the agency.

Among the documents in the committee’s possession, the Prospect has learned, is a cable the CIA station chief in Rome sent to Langley expressing concern that members of Feith’s office were involved in an unauthorized covert action. The committee also has Franklin’s Rome report, which, according to sources, revealed that the meeting included the discussion of possibilities for engaging a network of Ghorbanifar associates to pursue action against Tehran. (Franklin pled guilty in October to charges stemming from a separate FBI investigation. Feith left the Pentagon for the private sector over the summer.)

“[Rockefeller] made an offhand comment at a press conference, which was totally accurate,” a source close to the investigation told the Prospect. “Some of these guys may have crossed the lines into illegalities. Can you imagine if during Iran-Contra the executive branch had said, ‘We’re not going to provide you any more information because one of your members suggested that one of our members may have acted illegally’? In those days, neither Republicans nor Democrats would have stood for that for one minute.”

But that was then. Today, committee Republicans view their mission as being not oversight but cover-up. Indeed, one source told the Prospect that Roberts has worked closely behind the scenes with Vice President Dick Cheney’s office in crafting the language defining and limiting the investigation’s terms -- even though the committee is supposed to be investigating and providing oversight of the administration’s use of Iraq intelligence. Yet the committee’s leading Democrat, Rockefeller, hobbled by criticism from within the committee -- and according to one account, “a wimp … not confident of his own judgments” -- has felt constrained from pushing the majority more aggressively to comply with its promise.

Accountability may yet arrive. With press-time reports that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was homing in on a group of top White House aides for playing a role in outing CIA agent Valerie Plame to the media (in an effort to retaliate against her husband for exposing the White House's hyping of dubious Iraq intelligence) perhaps the courts will take up where Congress has failed.

Laura Rozen reports on foreign-policy and national-security issues from Washington, D.C.


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