Another way to look at it was this Grant's 7th try and he only had to win once. Regards, Jack...
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William Nolan
sixtxcavrgtcsa
Jan 9, 2013 8:40 pm
Johnston was not the most aggressive general. The Cavalry was on the Black River in May and was available. It was also trained as Infantry, so it was capable...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 9, 2013 8:42 pm
It wasn't Grant's 7th try. It was his first full campaign on Vicksburg. His overland attempt was aborted by Lincoln and Halleck at Oxford, MS. The next...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 9, 2013 9:04 pm
Yazoo, canal, they all count. 7 tries. Regards, Jack...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 9, 2013 9:44 pm
... Also UGLY, but not part of the original question: Governor Pettus of Mississippi, for keeping his state cavalry units dispersed to the counties in which...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 9, 2013 11:31 pm
... Anyone who faults a plan for having multiple contingencies is probably not going to be very successful at planning anything. If Burnside planned his...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 9, 2013 11:36 pm
Not sure we are going here. Historically, Grant tried seven different ways into Vicksburg. If you want to call it two, OK. Regards, Jack...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 9, 2013 11:39 pm
Grant's canal. Jack...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 9, 2013 11:57 pm
... Historically, secondary resources have all claimed that the Lake Providence canal was a failure (with the sole exception of Brooks Simpson). In fact, Ed...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 9, 2013 11:59 pm
... So we are not only faulting Grant for multiple contigencies, we are faulting him for triplicating his infrastructure efforts? IF that's so, you are...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 12:04 am
If Pemberton had listened to Johnston, Grant would have waltzed into Vicksburg uncontested. Pemberton probably had the right instinct of falling back behind...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 12:07 am
Whatever. Regards, Jack...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 12:10 am
No one is faulting Grant. It is obvious that his strength was his tenaciousness. Not sure where you got that from my posts. Grant was the "Great Captain" that...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 1:00 am
But this all goes back to Davis does it not? Longstreet should have been there by then. Regards, Jack...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 1:24 am
... There's the problem, the great lesson to be learned from Vicksburg is not tenaciousness. The really great lesson to be learned from Vicksburg is humility....
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Ned Baldwin
ned_baldwin
Jan 10, 2013 1:33 am
... I think it was a case of localitis -- where he was at the moment appeared to be the critical area....
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Ned Baldwin
ned_baldwin
Jan 10, 2013 1:37 am
Tony, I agree with Jack here. Grant tried different things, most didnt work out. Whats the prblem with saying that?...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 1:40 am
That issue was resolved with a couple of telegrams. Grant's command was never in doubt. Regards, Jack...
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Ned Baldwin
ned_baldwin
Jan 10, 2013 1:57 am
... He did complain. He also made an effort to get the expedition down the river before McClernand could show up and when he learned that McClernand had take...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 2:29 am
I cannot spare this man. He fights. Regards, Jack...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 2:40 am
... To whom? Not to Halleck or Lincoln. ... He sent the expedition down river early as per Halleck's order. He took over from McClernand because Halleck had...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 2:42 am
... Except, Lincoln never said that. In fact, Lincoln was about to spare the hell out of him after Chickasaw Bayou....
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Ned Baldwin
ned_baldwin
Jan 10, 2013 3:43 am
... To Halleck. When he hears rumors that McClernand might be coming he wrote "Am I to understand that I lie still here while an expedition is fitted out...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 3:51 am
I never said Lincoln said that, did I? But be understood it. So, grasshopper, what us your "scare the hell" source, other than your fertile imagination? ...
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rbaquero@...
rbaquero8
Jan 10, 2013 4:06 am
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 5:01 am
... 1) Grant's target was Jackson, MS, which would cut off Vicksburg and force Pemberton to flee or be besieged. Grenada is over halfway to Jackson, MS from...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 5:22 am
My "fertile imagination" aside, Brooks Simpson covers this in Triumph Over Adversity. Simple point of the matter: you don't send three spies to report on...
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Tony
tony_gunter
Jan 10, 2013 5:47 am
... Forgot 5) 25,000 men were sent against Vicksburg, 10,000 of which were detached to Grant from Curtis' department. I was including those 10,000 which I can...
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John Lawrence
jlawrence@...
Jan 10, 2013 5:59 am
Grasshopper. Brooks Simpson said who sent "spies" to spy on who? Why? Is this a direct quote, alliteration, or your interpretation? Regards, Jacj Regards, Jack...
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Ned Baldwin
ned_baldwin
Jan 10, 2013 11:31 am
... So first he was half way to Vicksburg, now he was almost halfway to Jackson MS from Jackson TN. And why start in Jackson and not Bolivar? Come on Tony. ...
