some of these movie projects can be quite mysterious. I would tend to
class this as one of them. I'd go to see it, if it was ever made, I think.

It's supposed to be about Hood's Texas Brigade. Great story. Good luck
to them.

--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, keeno2@... wrote:
>
> Good, bad, or indifferent; I'll go see it IF it can get some
backers. Could
> it be any worse than "Birth of a Nation"?

The Order of Confederate Colors
Knights of the Golden Circle, KGC Information Exchange, Nov. 14, 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KnightsoftheGoldenCircle/

New York Times, 1896: "The Confederate Convention. Richmond Filling
with People Who Will Attend It.  RICHMOND, Va., June 29.--Richmond is
all ready for the sixth annual reunion of the United Confederate
Veterans, which commences here to-morrow, continuing three days, and
winding up Thursday afternoon with a grand parade and the ceremonies
incident to the laying of the cornerstone of the Jefferson Davis
Monument.  On regular and special trains Confederate camps, troops,
delegations, and unattached visitors are pouring into the city, and by
to-morrow morning the accommodations of Virginia's capital will be
pressed to their utmost capacity.

Along the line of march of Thursdays' procession the stores and
residences are beautifully decorated, as are buildings in various
other parts of the city.  The CONFEDERATE COLORS predominate, but the
National colors are also largely in evidence.  Nearly every man,
woman, and child one meets wears a Confederate button."

Red, White and Blue. We choose what we see through many years of
learning another way so we  honestly want to see something like
Confederate colors as red, white and blue.  Logic should tell us the
Confederacy would not choose new emblems from flag to Great Seal and
allow the old colors of union to remain--Britain and the first
revolution excepted.

Many Confederate pre-flag examples (with horizontal stripes) prior to
the adoption of the Stars and Bars showed an order of color in blue,
white and red.  This information from the very first Confederate flag
considerations is revealing: "Submitted by 'A Gentleman of Louisville,
Kentucky.' This is a design theme which will be seen in a number of
submissions. The colors of the U.S. Stars and Stripes are reversed.
The 'gentleman' says that the 7 BLUE STRIPES REPRESENTED THE FIRST
SEVEN States forming the CSA. The number of white stars is to increase
as new States join the CSA."
--http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-csap1.html

In the formation of the "Republic of Louisiana" (11 February 1861) was
the adoption of their own flag: "We, the people of the State of
Louisiana in convention assembled, do ordain and establish that the
flag of the State of Louisiana shall consist and be composed of
thirteen horizontal stripes of the colors hereinafter described, and
to be disposed in the following order, commencing from the upper line
or edge of the flag, to wit: the first stripe BLUE; second, WHITE;
third, RED; fourth, white; fifth, BLUE; sixth, WHITE; seventh, RED;
eighth, white; ninth, BLUE; tenth, WHITE; eleventh, RED; twelfth,
white; and the thirteenth, or bottom stripe, BLUE.  We do further
ordain and establish that there shall be in the upper or chief corner
of the flag, a square field, the color whereof shall be red; and the
sides therefor equal to the width of seven stripes, and that in the
center of said field there shall be a star of due proportionate size,
having five points or rays; and that the color of the said star shall
be a paile yellow.  We do further ordain and establish that the said
flag, and no other, shall be the NATIONAL flag of the State of Louisiana."

The current Stars and Bars pattern of the Mississippi flag, with
battle flag in canton, is also a living reminder of the Confederate
order of colors as its top to bottom bars feature blue, white and red
(the Stars and Bars is not the St. Andrew's "X" as commonly
misrepresented).  In 1892, Mississippi chose a hybrid flag of the
First National and Stainless Banner but a wartime example that can be
seen at the Alabama state museum in Montgomery.  Unlike the
Confederate example of Stars and Bars (red, white then red) and St.
Andrew's or Jacob's cross in canton, Mississippi's design shows bars
top to bottom of BLUE, WHITE and RED.

The description of Mississippi's flag recommended by the joint
legislative committee was: "One with width two-thirds of its length,
with the union square in width, two-thirds of the width of the flag;
the ground of the union to be red and a broad blue saltier thereon
bordered with white and emblazoned with thirteen (13) mullets or
five-pointed stars, corresponding to the number of the original States
of the Union; the field to be divided into three bars of equal width,
the upper one BLUE, the center one WHITE, the lower one RED; THE
NATIONAL COLORS; the staff surmounted with a spear-head and battle-axe
below; the flag to be fringed with gold, and the staff gilded with gold."

There are examples of Dixie's blue, white and red but one of my
favorite is a color version showing the Confederacy's Great Seal
(1913) produced by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.  One only
has to note an order of color in its ribbon from left to right and
outer to inner rings of the Great Seal as with the French
Tricolor's--blue, white and red.

Some will say the Confederate Congress did not specify an order of
colors but such does not mean there was without.  The first
Confederate Congress failed to formally adopt the Stars and Bars but
it became even better known.  As Confederates we must not allow
sentimentality of union to obscure Confederate issues for sake of
peace on New England terms.  Make sure your Confederate activities and
organisations use Dixie's true colors because they are a living heritage.

Well I just looked over the site and saw on of the teasers. I can see
bad uniforms, bad equipment, horrid reenactor footage, and forced
Southern acents.


--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, DPowell334@... wrote:
>
> Assuming it can get distribution. There are many films every year
who never
> even get shown in indy or art theaters.
>
> Still, there's always DVD
>
> Dave Powell
>
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2008 5:12:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> carlw4514@... writes:
>
> some of  these movie projects can be quite mysterious. I would tend
to
> class this as  one of them. I'd go to see it, if it was ever made,
I  think.
>
>
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Have a look in Photos, Artifacts and Confederate Memories for some
really interesting Windows wallpaper for the desktop.

They are in .JPG format but can be changed back into .BMP for
wallpaper using the Windows Paint program and save as new format.  Two
different sizes at bottom of photos.

Enjoy.

Kind regards,

Gary

I am researching a letter that was found in my great grandfathers
things passed on to me by my grandfather.  The letter is to the Army
in favor of a fellow prisoner of war.  James A. Strange (48th ILL
Inf - Co K) was on ambulance duty and also carrying mail between
Holly Springs and Oxford.  On December 20, 1862 he and a group of
others were captured and sent to Memphis and then on to ST LOUIS,
MO......

(here is where the story looses me.  Every bit of information that I
have been able to gleen puts St.Louis in the hands of the Union at
that time)

GGrandfather then goes on to describe visiting the Hospital in St.
Louis where Mangus M.Nelson (43rd ILL Inf - Co. C) was treated for
leg wounds suffered before his capture.  He reports that he was
released via a prisoner exchange on August 6, 1863. (had'nt the Union
adopted a no prisoner exchange policy by then?)

I have found that Nelson is listed as a deserter in the rolls of his
outfit.... My GGrandfather re-enlisted after his first 3 year term
for the duration of the war... very interesting, but puzzling

I have posted a copy of the letter at www.flaboyjim.tripod.com -
click on left hand side for documents.  Any assistance by those that
understand the Pittsburg Landing Battle would be appreciated.

Yes , you are right ! NO exchange of prisioners were alaw, a perfect case to know what happened is the POW UNION encampment of Andersonville prison camp, please read the story or see the movie

Sounds very interesting, but the url does not work for me :(

Many contemporary letters appear, and are, confusing to us. We have
the advantage of historical perspective but the disadvantage of
little know-how of their day-to-day experience.

Exchange officially discontinued in early 1864 over a number of
issues (the Vicksburg POWs and issues with USCT POWs among them) but
informally continued for the rest of the war.


HankC


--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <floridaboyjim@...> wrote:
>
> I am researching a letter that was found in my great grandfathers
> things passed on to me by my grandfather.  The letter is to the
Army
> in favor of a fellow prisoner of war.  James A. Strange (48th ILL
> Inf - Co K) was on ambulance duty and also carrying mail between
> Holly Springs and Oxford.  On December 20, 1862 he and a group of
> others were captured and sent to Memphis and then on to ST LOUIS,
> MO......
>
> (here is where the story looses me.  Every bit of information that
I
> have been able to gleen puts St.Louis in the hands of the Union at
> that time)
>
> GGrandfather then goes on to describe visiting the Hospital in St.
> Louis where Mangus M.Nelson (43rd ILL Inf - Co. C) was treated for
> leg wounds suffered before his capture.  He reports that he was
> released via a prisoner exchange on August 6, 1863. (had'nt the
Union
> adopted a no prisoner exchange policy by then?)
>
> I have found that Nelson is listed as a deserter in the rolls of
his
> outfit.... My GGrandfather re-enlisted after his first 3 year term
> for the duration of the war... very interesting, but puzzling
>
> I have posted a copy of the letter at www.flaboyjim.tripod.com -
> click on left hand side for documents.  Any assistance by those
that
> understand the Pittsburg Landing Battle would be appreciated.
>

Sounds very interesting, but the url does not work for me.

Many contemporary letters appear, and are, confusing to us. We have
the advantage of historical perspective but the disadvantage of
little know-how of their day-to-day experience.

Exchange officially discontinued in early 1864 over a number of
issues (the Vicksburg POWs and issues with USCT POWs among them) but
informally continued for the rest of the war.


HankC


--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <floridaboyjim@...> wrote:
>
> I am researching a letter that was found in my great grandfathers
> things passed on to me by my grandfather.  The letter is to the
Army
> in favor of a fellow prisoner of war.  James A. Strange (48th ILL
> Inf - Co K) was on ambulance duty and also carrying mail between
> Holly Springs and Oxford.  On December 20, 1862 he and a group of
> others were captured and sent to Memphis and then on to ST LOUIS,
> MO......
>
> (here is where the story looses me.  Every bit of information that
I
> have been able to gleen puts St.Louis in the hands of the Union at
> that time)
>
> GGrandfather then goes on to describe visiting the Hospital in St.
> Louis where Mangus M.Nelson (43rd ILL Inf - Co. C) was treated for
> leg wounds suffered before his capture.  He reports that he was
> released via a prisoner exchange on August 6, 1863. (had'nt the
Union
> adopted a no prisoner exchange policy by then?)
>
> I have found that Nelson is listed as a deserter in the rolls of
his
> outfit.... My GGrandfather re-enlisted after his first 3 year term
> for the duration of the war... very interesting, but puzzling
>
> I have posted a copy of the letter at www.flaboyjim.tripod.com -
> click on left hand side for documents.  Any assistance by those
that
> understand the Pittsburg Landing Battle would be appreciated.
>

Union soldiers captured at Holly Springs by Gen. Van Dorn in December
1862 were paroled and sent via Memphis to St. Louis.  There they had to
await the capture of Confederates of equal rank so that they could be
exchanged.  Apparently, Nelson was exchanged in August for a Confederate
of equal rank.  Many soldiers who were so exchanged returned to their
military units.

>--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Swan <pbswan@...> wrote:
Union soldiers captured at Holly Springs by Gen. Van Dorn in December
1862 were paroled and sent via Memphis to St. Louis.  There they had to
wait the capture of Confederates of equal rank so that they could be
exchanged.  Apparently, Nelson was exchanged in August for a
Confederate of equal rank.  Many soldiers who were so exchanged
returned to their military units.<
Would have crossed the river at a different point, since Memphis had
been under Union Control since June 6, '62, when it surrendered after
the destruction of Commodore James E. Montgomery's River Defense Fleet.
Chuck in IL.

I think you are missing something. Both Memphis and St. Louis were
under US control. If I have this right, the paroled yankees were not
under CS guard, but under the control of their own army, US. They were
honor-bound to await exchange.

From this and some other recent stuff, I am gathering that they were
not allowed to roam at will but were still some kind of prisoner in
this limbo. Perhaps officers were treated differently. Anybody know?

A real good question is: did they literally have guards?? or was the
threat of punishment after going AWOL enough to make them stick around
where they were supposed to stay?


--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "mobile_96" <mobile_96@...> wrote:
>

> Would have crossed the river at a different point, since Memphis had
> been under Union Control since June 6, '62, when it surrendered after
> the destruction of Commodore James E. Montgomery's River Defense Fleet.
> Chuck in IL.
>

Jefferson Barracks would be a logical place in St Louis.  I know from
another diary that they were kept in St Louis.  I'll have to look at it
again to see if he mentions where in St Louis.  Eventually he grew tired of
waiting, slipped onto a transport and rejoined his regiment outside of
Vicksburg.  Told his colonel he was tired of waiting, understood he could
face death if captured again and promised not to ever be captured again.  I
would think a good colonel would send the man back rather than break a
parole but maybe this part of the story was more bravado than truth.
--Nick


>From: keeno2@...
>Reply-To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
>To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Strange letter
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:23:58 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 11/20/2008 7:26:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>carlw4514@... writes:
>
>If I  have this right, the paroled yankees were not under CS guard, but
>under
>the  control of their own army, US. They were honor-bound to await
>exchange.
>
>
>
>Brilliant. A classic example of thinking outside the box. At that time, a
>parole was taken seriously. You left the army until you were notified that
>you
>had been exchanged.
>
>Next question: Was St. Louis home? Or was there a facility there to
>maintain
>paroled men until their exchange?
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They were held in the Benton Barracks.  The paroled soldiers had to be
at a post to be exchanged.  The post in St. Louis was the Benton Barracks.

keeno2@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2008 7:26:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> carlw4514@... writes:
>
>     If I have this right, the paroled yankees were not under CS guard,
>     but under the control of their own army, US. They were honor-bound
>     to await exchange.
>
> Brilliant. A classic example of thinking outside the box. At that
> time, a parole was taken seriously. You left the army until you were
> notified that you had been exchanged.
>
> Next question: Was St. Louis home? Or was there a facility there to
> maintain paroled men until their exchange?
>
>
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Benton Barracks was named for Senator Benton.  Certainly some of those
paroled at Holly Springs on Dec. 20th 1862 were held at Benton.  Letters
were written by them from those barracks.  However, it is possible that
not all were held in one location.  Thus, Jefferson barracks (about
which I know little to nothing) may have been a holding place as well.

keeno2@... wrote:
>
> I've not heard of the Benton Barracks. If there was a facility there,
> it's not that far from Jefferson Barracks. For the sake of accuracy,
> I'll accept Benton Barracks in that it adds to the explanation of why
> Strange was sent to St. Louis. (On thinking that over, I was thinking
> of Fenton. Whatever. It still makes sense.)
>
> Ken
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--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dave718@...> wrote:
>
> My great grandfather was a union army captain who was released as a
POH - parole on honor - after capture by Captain Morgan - and was sent
north and trained green troops in Baltimore until exchanged. A friend
of mine has trouble doing genealogy on his great-great grandfather - a
confederate - since he was captured twice and released on a POH but he
immediately returned to active under a slightly different spelling of
his name.
> Dave in Falls Church VA.
>
I had a great,great, great uncle who served with the 15th Battery,
Indiana Light Arty.  His unit surrendered at Harper's Ferry in Sept
1862.  When his unit was paroled the entire unit was sent to
Indianapolis.  They were held at a POW camp there and they were not
used as guards.  From the stories that I heard growing up, the paroled
union soldiers were sometimes treated more poorly than the Southern
prisoners were treated.  I guess the treatment received by POH's
depended on where they were held and what their rank was.

Al