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RED Sox

-----Original Message-----
From: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John LaPorta
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:42 PM
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroupscom
Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Bowen at Big Black Bridge

Did you say White Sox or Red Sox.......you are a White Sox fan like me right?

anyway Chicago is further west ..

John (the captain in Mississippi)

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, keeno2@... <keeno2@...> wrote:

From: keeno2@... <keeno2@...>
Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Bowen at Big Black Bridge
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:03 PM

Being a Red Sox fan, anything you say can and will be used against you. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to counsel and, if you can't afford it, counsel will be provided to you at no cost.

Aren't the Red Sox in the Eastern Theater? Foul!

ken

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#45857

From: "Dale Woodward" <delawarerivergallery@...>
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:35 pm
Subject: Troiani Sold Out Print Sale

delawarerive...

Hi

Here is a list of the sold out Don Troiani prints that we still have in stock and their prices. We only have one of each of these prints available. You can see pictures of these prints on our Web site. Here is a direct link to Troiani's sold out prints page: http://delawarerivergallery.com/artists/troiani/troiani_SOprints.htm

Saving The Flag $650
Thunder On Little Kenesaw $800
The Forlorn Hope $350
Men of Arkansas $400
Red Devils $400
Retreat By Recoil $400
Decision At Dawn $450
Lions Of The Roundtop $$600
Lone Star $950
Burnsides Bridge $300
Hanptons Duel $300
For Gods Sake Forward $300
General George Washington $400
Sons Of Erin $500
First Battle Flags canvas $550
Gen N. B. Forrest canvas $700

Dale

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#45858

From: DPowell334@...
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:54 am
Subject: Chickamauga Anniversary

dpowell334

I just got back from Chickamauga’s 145th anniversary. The park has had a mixed bag of arranging special programs for the anniversaries, but this year was quite good. They ran free bus tours at two hour intervals, had several living history events (arty and Cav demonstrations, a representation of Company H, 1st Tennessee - company aytch of sam Watkins fame – a hospital detachment, and the 21st Ohio infantry.

The best events are the 2-hour ranger-led walking tours that focus on specific aspects of the battle. These were running all day on Saturday and Sunday, with some evening tours as well.

Of course, VP Cheney elected to visit the part on Friday (he had a ggf in the 21st Ohio) and the security for that did disrupt a lot of the planned activities on Friday, but by Saturday AM things were back to normal.

Personally, I went on a number of the tours, but spent most of my time studying some aspects of the battle (mostly end of the 20th retreat from the field stuff) that I haven’t completely figured out yet.

BTW, anyone got contacts with the CWPT? There is possibly a real buying opportunity at Chickamauga, and it would be a shame to let it go unnoticed.

Currently, a 103 acre farm is for sale at Reed’s Bridge. This is not land ancillary to the battle – it is the very ground where the battle began. Minty’s Federal Cavalry held of Bushrod Johnson’s and Nathan Bedford Forrest’s Rebels for several hours, in both mounted and dismounted action.

This ground is akin to saving McPherson’s Ridge at Gettysburg, in terms of its relationship to the battle.

Jim Ogden, the park Historian, mentioned that it was for sale, but that he hasn’t had much time to bring it to the attention of preservation groups. (The Cheney thing, for example, fell on the park like a bomb three weeks ago.)

Only a portion of the acreage is historic, so this would be a great opportunity for a preservation group to buy it, donate the important part, and resell the rest, perhaps the way the Lady Farm was handled at Gettysburg.

I intend to write a letter to the CWPT, but I was hoping that someone on one of these boards might be able to give me a more personal introduction.

Dave Powell

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#45859

From: "Dale Woodward" <delawarerivergallery@...>
Date: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:02 pm
Subject: Don Troiani's New Print - John B. Gordon

delawarerive...

http://delawarerivergallery.com/artists/troiani/troiani.htm

Thought you might like to see Don Troiani's new prints. He just released 2 Civil War and 2 Rev War prints. The larger Civil War print is "John B. Gordon at Gettysburg" and the smaller print os "Corcorans Irish Legion". The is one of the first prints of Gordon in a very long time. Click on the link below to see all these prints if you like.

Dale

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#45860

From: "Dick Weeks" <shotgun@...>
Date: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Don Troiani's New Print - John B. Gordon

shotgun20170

I don't want to get into this too much because it is eastern theater but my great great grandfather was in Gordon's brigade in that charge depicted in the Troiani print. He was a second corporal in the 31st Georgia commanded by then Col. Clement A. Evans. Now to tie this into the Civil War in general, if any of you have the Confederate Military History, you will note it was Evans that pulled this massive amount of material together after the war. He was the editor. By the way, my ancestor received a severe wound during this action and was left in a hospital in Gettysburg when Lee withdrew his army on the 4th. He was later exchanged and wound up in a hospital in Richmond for a while and then was transferred to another hospital south of Richmond. It was while he was recovering from his wound that he met and married my great great grandmother. He never saw action again. My great great grandmother's older brother was a sgt. in the 15th Alabama and saw action in all the major battles in the eastern theater except Gettysburg. He was on leave during that battle. He surrendered with Lee at Appomattox as a Lt. If any of you have ever walked the "unfinished railroad" at the battle of 2nd Manassas, the interpretive marker for the 15th Alabama has something by my ancestor on it. Let me swing this thing back to the western theater, I have another great great grandfather, this time on my father's side, that was killed in one of the actions around Atlanta. He is buried in Marion, Georgia. Now that you all know some of my family history I think you might understand why I have Southern leanings. Heck, I laughingly tell folks that I was fourteen years old before I found out that "damn yankee" was two words :-)

By the way, Gordon is one of my favorites to come out of the Civil War. He was wounded 5 times in the Bloody Lane at Antietam and was back in action at Chancellorsville. Besides, I like the way he wrote. I don't believe much of what he said but I sure like the way he said it :-) Now back to the Western Theater.

I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
Dick (a.k.a. Shotgun)
http://www.civilwarhome.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Dale Woodward

To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:02 PM

Subject: [SPAM][civilwarwest] Don Troiani's New Print - John B. Gordon

Hi

Thought you might like to see Don Troiani's new prints. He just released 2 Civil War and 2 Rev War prints. The larger Civil War print is "John B. Gordon at Gettysburg" and the smaller print os "Corcorans Irish Legion". The is one of the first prints of Gordon in a very long time. Click on the link below to see all these prints if you like.

http://delawarerivergallery.com/artists/troiani/troiani.htm

Dale

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#45861

From: "Joseph R. Reinhart" <sixthky@...>
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:08 am
Subject: Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

kygermans

I have a letter that accuses Gen. James S. Robinson, former colonel of the 82nd Ohio of being distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. Has anyone see similar allegations before?

Thanks

Joe

#45862

From: "Ronald black" <rblack0981@...>
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

tarafoxie

The Official Records of the civil war describe General James S. Robinson as having served a long career in the eastern theater and was part of the forces sent to Tennessee for the Knoxville campaign. He was commander of the 82nd Ohio on July st at Gettysburg. He was severely wounded at about the time of the union retreat to Cemetary ridge and was replaced by Lieutenant Colonel David Thompson who filed the Official Report of the regiment's role in the Battle of Gettysburg. After recovering from his wound, he became a brigade commander and took part in the battles and campaigns of Knoxville, Atlanta, Savannah and the Carolinas. He went back to Tennessee for assignment to the XX Corps and later them XIV Corps which was commanded by General John A. Logan. At the end of the war, he was mustered out of the service by Special Order 108, Headquarters, Army of the Tennessee and ordered to his place of residence in Kenton Ohio to receive any further orders from the Adjutant General. This order appears on page 1090 of Volume 49, Part II of the Official Records. There is no mention of any drunkenness in the Official Records concerning this fine officer. The only controversy may have been by his division commander when he ordered Colonel Robinson to halt building unauthorized field fortifications and no other mention of any controversy appears in the records.

Ron

--- Original Message -----

From: Joseph R. Reinhart

To: Civil War West

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:08 AM

Subject: [civilwarwest] Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

I have a letter that accuses Gen. James S. Robinson, former colonel of the 82nd Ohio of being distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. Has anyone see similar allegations before?
Thanks

Joe

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#45863

From: DORR64OVI@...
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

dorr64ovi

In a message dated 9/29/2008 7:10:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sixthky@... writes:

I have a letter that accuses Gen. James S. Robinson, former colonel of the 82nd Ohio of being distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. Has anyone see similar allegations before?
Thanks

Joe

Joe...who wrote the letter and when was it written? A descendant of Robinson lives here in Mansfield Ohio and I can get message to him about this if you can provide more details.

Kent Dorr

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#45864

From: "Joseph R. Reinhart" <sixthky@...>
Date: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:54 am
Subject: Re: Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

kygermans

Kent

It was written by a captain of an Illinois regiment in April 1865 in a private letter. I am just trying to find out if

�anyone else ever made that same allegation?�

Joe

On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:50 PM, DORR64OVI@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/29/2008 7:10:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sixthky@bellsouth.net writes:

I have a letter that accuses Gen. James S. Robinson, former colonel of the 82nd Ohio of being distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. Has anyone see similar allegations before?
Thanks

Joe

Joe...who wrote the letter and when was it written?� A descendant of�Robinson lives here in Mansfield Ohio and I can get message to him about this if you can provide more details.

�

Kent Dorr

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#45865

From: "Carl Williams" <carlw4514@...>
Date: Wed Oct 1, 2008 10:30 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Don Troiani's New Print - John B. Gordon

carlw4514

Very interesting, Shotgun, thanks. I'm sure you couldnt resist the
bargain price on that signed limited edition canvas print!

--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Weeks" <shotgun@...> wrote:
>
> I don't want to get into this too much because it is eastern theater
but my great great grandfather ...

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#45866

From: "Joseph R. Reinhart" <sixthky@...>
Date: Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Gen. James S. Robinson/ 82nd Ohio Infantry

kygermans

Kent

Regarding the letter about General Robinson, I believe that the letter actually states that his former regiment, and not he, was distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. It was originally written in German and translated by someone else. After obtaining the original untranslated letter it appears that the translation I had was incorrect and was not referring to Gen. Robinson. The reason I asked if anyone had seen any similar allegations is because my prior research did not reveal that these allegations were true for Gen. Robinson. I have not found anything to indicate the same was true for the 82nd Ohio but wanted to see if anyone else had any information about this allegation.�

Joe

On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:50 PM, DORR64OVI@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/29/2008 7:10:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sixthky@bellsouth.net writes:

I have a letter that accuses Gen. James S. Robinson, former colonel of the 82nd Ohio of being distinguished by controversy and drunkenness. Has anyone see similar allegations before?
Thanks
Joe
Joe...who wrote the letter and when was it written?� A descendant of�Robinson lives here in Mansfield Ohio and I can get message to him about this if you can provide more details.
�
Kent Dorr

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#45867

From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@...>
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:29 am
Subject: Longstreet in the West

james2044

Take a look at: Confederate Struggle For Command: General James
Longstreet and the First Corps in the West (Texas A&M University
Military History Series)by Alexander Mendoza (Author)

It has a good take on why Davies did not offer Longstreet command of
the AoT.

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#45868

From: John LaPorta <captaininmississippi@...>
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:59 pm
Subject: North of Jackson Mississippi

captaininmis...

Can anyone please tell me if there was a battle north of Jackson Mississippi in a town witch is now called Ridgeland it is in Madison county . It may have been called something different when the war was on .The town in question is east of Ramond and the Big Blac

#45869

From: "Peterson, Jack N." <peterj@...>
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:29 pm
Subject: RE: North of Jackson Mississippi

peterj@...

Are you thinking of the Battle of Raymond, May 12, ’63 during Grant’s Vicksburg Campaign? The big Battle of Champion’s Hill was 4 days later.

From: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John LaPorta
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:59 PM
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [civilwarwest] North of Jackson Mississippi

#45870

From: "William H Keene" <wh_keene@...>
Date: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:50 am
Subject: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

wh_keene

--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, John LaPorta
<captaininmississippi@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone please tell me if there was a battle north of Jackson
Mississippi in a town witch is now called Ridgeland� it is in Madison
county . It may have been called something different� when the war was
on .The town in question is east of Ramond and the Big Blac
>

There was skirmishing in that area around July 17 1863.  The location
was referred to as Grant's Ferry, which was a crossing of the Pearl
River in what is now the Barnett Reservoir.

#45871

From: John LaPorta <captaininmississippi@...>
Date: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

captaininmis...

Thank you very much William . I have heard of Grants Ferry and the Reservior is only a few miles away. These skirmishings were taken place after the fall of Vicksburg right ?

Thanks again.......John (captaininmississippi) thats why I`m only a Captain

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, William H Keene <wh_keene@...> wrote:

From: William H Keene <wh_keene@...>
Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: North of Jackson Mississippi
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 7:50 PM

--- In civilwarwest@ yahoogroups. com, John LaPorta
<captaininmississip pi@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone please tell me if there was a battle north of Jackson
Mississippi in a town witch is now called Ridgeland it is in Madison
county . It may have been called something different when the war was
on .The town in question is east of Ramond and the Big Blac
>

There was skirmishing in that area around July 17 1863. The location
was referred to as Grant's Ferry, which was a crossing of the Pearl
River in what is now the Barnett Reservoir.

#45872

From: "William H Keene" <wh_keene@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:06 am
Subject: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

wh_keene

--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, John LaPorta
<captaininmississippi@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much William . I have heard of Grants Ferry and the
Reservior is only a few miles away. These skirmishings were taken
place after the fall of Vicksburg right ?

Right.   During the siege of Vicksburg, Gen Johnston had gathered an
army to attempt to come to the aid of Vicksburg.  After the surrender
of Vicksburg, Grant sent Sherman with an army-sized force to go after
Johnston.  Johnston fell back to Jackson, where Sherman tried to
besiege him.  Sherman received a report on the 15th of July that a
large confederate cavalry force had crossed the Pearl at Grant's Ferry
in order to get in his rear.  On the 16th Sherman sent an infantry
brigade and a cavalry brigade north from Jackson to try to drive the
Confederates back.   The expedition skirmished with the Confederate
cavalry squadron guarding the river crossing, driving it off and then
destroying the ferry boats.

#45873

From: William Nolan <sixtxcavrgtcsa@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

sixtxcavrgtcsa

If the Union force drove off the Confederate Cavalry, why would they burn the ferry and boats. It sounds more like they were preventing the cavalry from crossing. I agree that the Confederate force was not large enough to challange the Union force, but it did operate along the Black, around Yazoo City, Clanton and Jackson without being stopped. Even in 1864 when Sheridan moved to Meridian, he lost his cavalry support which was chassed back to Memphis by Forrest. The Whitifield Ross Cavalry Brigade contested Sherman, but was completely outmanned. Johnston did not conduct a headon battle because of his dwindling resources. But Sherman paid dearly for each skirmish. Later on his drive to Atlanta he lost 35,000 men. Had the Confederates had the forces to expend, Sherman might not have made Atlanta.

From: William H Keene <wh_keene@...>
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:06:15 PM
Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

--- In civilwarwest@ yahoogroups. com, John LaPorta
<captaininmississip pi@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much William . I have heard of Grants Ferry and the
Reservior is only a few miles away. These skirmishings were taken
place after the fall of Vicksburg right ?

Right. During the siege of Vicksburg, Gen Johnston had gathered an
army to attempt to come to the aid of Vicksburg. After the surrender
of Vicksburg, Grant sent Sherman with an army-sized force to go after
Johnston. Johnston fell back to Jackson, where Sherman tried to
besiege him. Sherman received a report on the 15th of July that a
large confederate cavalry force had crossed the Pearl at Grant's Ferry
in order to get in his rear. On the 16th Sherman sent an infantry
brigade and a cavalry brigade north from Jackson to try to drive the
Confederates back. The expedition skirmished with the Confederate
cavalry squadron guarding the river crossing, driving it off and then
destroying the ferry boats.

#45874

From: keeno2@...
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

keeno2@...

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#45875

From: "Peterson, Jack N." <peterj@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:19 pm
Subject: RE: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

peterj@...

I think its clear that Sherman’s forces were clearly irresistible when led with esprit as Sherman did. Johnston did a magnificent job delaying the inevitable, but Davis could not tolerate what was being viewed by too many confederates as a losing continual retreat and Johnston had to go. Hood’s tactics were a disaster and compounded when he retreated toward Nashville rather than moving to Lee. Prior to the Atlanta campaign, Sherman and Grant discussed options such as leaving Atlanta besieged and splitting Sherman’s army to move south to either Mobile, Pensacola or on to Savannah. The rebels simply had no force available to rescue Atlanta as long as Grant kept up the pressure on Lee. Davis may have had some leverage for settlement during the fall of ’63. And maybe as late as the summer of ’64 when the cost of the Wilderness campaign became clear to the pro-peace factions in the North. But, after appointing Grant, Lincoln seemed ready to fight until Lee was destroyed no matter the cost.

From: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Nolan
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:16 PM
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

From: William H Keene <wh_keene@yahoo.com>
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:06:15 PM
Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

#45876

From: "William H Keene" <wh_keene@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:51 am
Subject: Re: North of Jackson Mississippi

wh_keene

--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, William Nolan
<sixtxcavrgtcsa@...> wrote:
>
> If the Union force drove off the Confederate Cavalry, why would they
burn the ferry and boats. It sounds more like they were preventing the
cavalry from crossing. ...

Exactly -- the squadron that was there was just protecting the
crossing for use by the main confederate cavalry force.  Destroying
the boats, etc was a way of stopping the Confederates from using that
crossing.

#45877

From: John LaPorta <captaininmississippi@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:10 pm
Subject: THANK YOU

captaininmis...

I just want to THANK all of you who have answered my questions.

This is a Great site to be a part of and the knowledge here is wonderful

Thanks again.............. Big JOHN (captain in Mississippi)

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#45878

From: "Carl Williams" <carlw4514@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:03 pm
Subject: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

carlw4514

Got interested enough to try to check this 1861 KY battle out online,
from a mention on a battle flag.

At Wikipedia, a couple of interesting things: one claim that "the
first time in the Civil War that cavalry faced infantry" is challenged
for a citation, but none is forthcoming since Fed 2007. Any opinions?

Also, a defensive tactic called "forming the 'hollow square'" is
cited, which I can kind of guess at, as well. Any better knowledge on
that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rowlett%27s_Station

#45879

From: Martin Winser <martin_winser@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

martin8153

Hi - my first post here! - was interested to hear about the use of the "square" - didn't realise this was EVER used in the ACW - you might find the link below of interest...

http://www.battleforthebridge.org/Rowletts.html

Regards

Martin Winser

To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
From: carlw4514@...
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:03:25 +0000
Subject: [civilwarwest] Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

Got interested enough to try to check this 1861 KY battle out online,
from a mention on a battle flag.

At Wikipedia, a couple of interesting things: one claim that "the
first time in the Civil War that cavalry faced infantry" is challenged
for a citation, but none is forthcoming since Fed 2007. Any opinions?

Also, a defensive tactic called "forming the 'hollow square'" is
cited, which I can kind of guess at, as well. Any better knowledge on
that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rowlett%27s_Station

#45880

From: keeno2@...
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

keeno2@...

Just when you think everyone has been put to bed ....... Know nothing of the battle, sir, but "forming a square" is a well known infantry defense against cavalry. Am not particularly well versed in that tactic, but when it was done, the cav could not breach it.

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#45881

From: "Joseph R. Reinhart" <sixthky@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

kygermans

Carl

For a good description (well researched) of the action, go to my 32nd Indiana web site http://www.geocities.com/ind32ndinfantry/

and click on The Battle of Rowlett's Station by Mike Peake.

I have a description of the battle and about 5-letters from participants from the 32nd, which I translated into English, in my book August Willich's Gallant Dutchmen (Kent Stae Univ. Press, 2006). Also see Gerald Prokopowicz's All for the Regiment.

My recollection is that it was the first battle in which a hollow square (a tactic of Napoleon) was used to defend against cavalry.

Hope this helps.

Joe

-------------- Original message from "Carl Williams" <carlw4514@...>: --------------

Got interested enough to try to check this 1861 KY battle out online,
from a mention on a battle flag.

At Wikipedia, a couple of interesting things: one claim that "the
first time in the Civil War that cavalry faced infantry" is challenged
for a citation, but none is forthcoming since Fed 2007. Any opinions?

Also, a defensive tactic called "forming the 'hollow square'" is
cited, which I can kind of guess at, as well. Any better knowledge on
that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rowlett%27s_Station

#45882

From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:56 pm
Subject: RE: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

hjs212002

Several squares were formed by Union infantry (regulars, 69^th NYSM, and IIRC the 12^th NY) against the threat of cavalry at First Bull Run.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph R. Reinhart
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:21 AM
To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

Carl

For a good description (well researched) of the action, go to my 32nd Indiana web site http://www.geocities.com/ind32ndinfantry/

and click on The Battle of Rowlett's Station by Mike Peake.

My recollection is that it was the first battle in which a hollow square (a tactic of Napoleon) was used to defend against cavalry.

Hope this helps.

Joe

-------------- Original message from "Carl Williams" <carlw4514@...>: --------------

Got interested enough to try to check this 1861 KY battle out online,
from a mention on a battle flag.

At Wikipedia, a couple of interesting things: one claim that "the
first time in the Civil War that cavalry faced infantry" is challenged
for a citation, but none is forthcoming since Fed 2007. Any opinions?

Also, a defensive tactic called "forming the 'hollow square'" is
cited, which I can kind of guess at, as well. Any better knowledge on
that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rowlett%27s_Station

#45883

From: Ricky Washburn <rwwiv@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

soulja_52_601

The hollow square was a napoleanic defensive strategy where dismounted units
i.e. infantry would form a tight square two+ ranks deep, usually one row
kneeling the second standing and would hold against calvary attacks quite well,
though artillery had a nasty effect on these squares


--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Joseph R. Reinhart <sixthky@...> wrote:

> From: Joseph R. Reinhart <sixthky@...>
> Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station
> To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:21 AM
> Carl�
> For a good description (well researched) of the action, go
> to my 32nd Indiana web
> site�http://www.geocities.com/ind32ndinfantry/
> and click on The Battle of Rowlett's Station by Mike
> Peake.
> I have a description of �the battle and about 5-letters
> from participants from the 32nd, which I translated into
> English, in my book August Willich's Gallant Dutchmen
> (Kent Stae Univ. Press, 2006). Also see Gerald
> Prokopowicz's All for the Regiment.
>
>
> My recollection is that it was the first battle in which a
> hollow square (a tactic of Napoleon) was used to defend
> against cavalry.
> Hope this helps.
> Joe
> � -------------- Original message from "Carl
> Williams" <carlw4514@...>: --------------
>
>
>
>
>             Got interested enough to try to check this 1861
> KY battle out online,
> from a mention on a battle flag.
>
> At Wikipedia, a couple of interesting things: one claim
> that "the
> first time in the Civil War that cavalry faced
> infantry" is challenged
> for a citation, but none is forthcoming since Fed 2007. Any
> opinions?
>
> Also, a defensive tactic called "forming the
> 'hollow square'" is
> cited, which I can kind of guess at, as well. Any better
> knowledge on
> that?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rowlett%27s_Station

#45884

From: "Tom Mix" <tmix@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:17 pm
Subject: RE: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

tbm1950

At Gettysburg on July 1 Buford moved Gamble to the far left after 1^st Corps arrived, a Confederate unit formed square there too but I don’t recall which unit.

Tom

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#45885

From: "Tom Mix" <tmix@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:52 pm
Subject: RE: Woodsonville or Rowlett's Station

tbm1950

You literally form a square of a Regiment size with 3-4 rows forming each of the 4 sides, colors and command structure along with any one not in the unit (often artillerymen) are in the center. The first row kneels on one knee, planting the butt of their rifle in the ground with bayonets thrusting up forming a very formidable wall of steel that the horses will not attack. They are not that stupid. The lines behind the kneeling first line them volley fire over the heads of the first line.

The best example in movies is “Waterloo” staring Rod Steiger and Christopher Plummer. The “British” soldiers form their various squares while the French cavalry attack. In the movie, members of the Soviet army donned the British red and formed the squares. The cavalry attacks in the movie were so realistic that some of the Soviet soldiers in the squares broke on their own, unscripted, as the soldiers actually did get really scared of the charging horses. The camera pulls back and you can see a panoramic view of all the squares with the cavalry milling around between them. A beautiful feat of cinematography and coordination.

Plus the movie is highly realistic and I recommend it. But to see a square and how they work, there is not a better movie out there.

It took a lot of discipline to form and hold a square but once one broke they were virtually dead as the cavalry would ride them down. So the motivation to hold that square was quite high.

Tom

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