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Finished the book "Black Jack: John A. Logan and Southern Illinois in
the Civil War Era" I Recommend it.

The author discusses whether Logan was unjustly passed over as a
replacement for McPherson when he was KIA. Interestingly, he gave
Sherman's views on what he didnt like about "political generals."
Seems that there is more to it than unthinking prejudice. I loaned the
book to someone, so can't quote from it, but basically Sherman just
felt that these guys typically just weren't full time. He was
especially resentful when they would go home to campaign for
reelection just as things were critical in the field.

I have to admit Sherman has a case there, if true.

Makes you wonder if the prejudice against non-west point was a little
more founded in solid reasons than you might think.

Carl






Wed Jul 9, 2008 3:58 pm

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Finished the book "Black Jack: John A. Logan and Southern Illinois in the Civil War Era" I Recommend it. The author discusses whether Logan was unjustly passed...
Carl Williams
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Jul 9, 2008
3:58 pm

It was strong against political generals for many reasons, most common was lack of performance. ... From: Carl Williams To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Ronald black
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Jul 9, 2008
4:21 pm

Which begs the point. Incompetence was hardly limited to the amateurs. Logan, Frank Blair on the North and Forrest and Wade Hampton for the South all stood out...
Bob Huddleston
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Jul 9, 2008
4:51 pm

In another context, Logan's proposed promotion is similar to promoting a temporary employee (volunteer) to CEO (army commander) and overpassing all other...
hank9174 Offline Send Email Jul 10, 2008
3:53 pm

The problem with that theory is that a great many of the West Point generals had returned from civilian life. Vide Grant, Sherman, McClellan, etc. Until they...
Bob Huddleston
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Jul 10, 2008
4:05 pm

I certainly felt I should not give the answer to this, since I was involved the first time the question came up in our little group. No one else has answered,...
Carl Williams
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Jul 15, 2008
11:05 am

... in ... the ... little ... "Sherman fighting Prophet" by Lloyd Lewis,says Sherman was thinking of putting Logan to take over for Mac. but Thomas was very...
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3:46 pm

In a message dated 7/10/2008 11:46:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, holywham@... writes: Sherman fighting Prophet" by Lloyd Lewis,says Sherman was thinking...
DORR64OVI@...
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Jul 10, 2008
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Not "feared" but received retribution. See Logan's _Volunteer Soldier_ for his version. Take care, Bob Judy and Bob Huddleston 10643 Sperry Street Northglenn,...
Bob Huddleston
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Jul 10, 2008
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I don't think Logal was dissed or anything. I think it was a matter of who was more experienced and qualified to lead armies. And of course the political...
Chadd Vail
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Jul 10, 2008
9:11 pm

I love Sherman but its seems to me this was West Point snobbery. Logan was a very good corps. commander, had fought in the west from the beginning, the...
Jason
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Jul 10, 2008
11:36 pm

apparently Howard getting the job was too much for Hooker, who asked to be relieved and "...finished the war in the quiet sector of Michigan, Ohio, Indiana,...
Carl Williams
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Jul 11, 2008
3:18 pm

Well everyone knows Hooker and Howard never saw eye to eye with each other. I think you can blame Chancelorsville on that one lols. And I agree I think if...
Chadd Vail
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Jul 11, 2008
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In a message dated 7/10/2008 6:36:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jvt1976@... writes: I love Sherman but its seems to me this was West Point snobbery. ...
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In a message dated 7/11/2008 4:19:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvail19@... writes: Well everyone knows Hooker and Howard never saw eye to eye with...
SDE80@... Send Email Jul 11, 2008
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Wasn't Hooker pissed off about Slocum getting a command as well, or am I getting my facts screwed up? ... From: "SDE80@..." <SDE80@...> To:...
Jason
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Jul 11, 2008
9:21 pm

As far as I know, Hooker didn't blame Slocum for the outcome of Chancellorsville as much as he blamed Howard (whom he considered to be largely responsible for...
guitarmandanga Offline Send Email Jul 12, 2008
4:02 pm

What you say is pretty spot on. Slocum did a commendable job at C'ville but detested Hooker for a variety of reasons of which only some involved ...
Tom Mix
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Jul 12, 2008
10:56 pm

Thanks for the information, this sheds some light for me on the Hooker Issue in the Altanta and Savannah Campaign. I totally appoligize for stealing the...
Chadd Vail
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Jul 13, 2008
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No problem. Free discussion of topics should always be welcome. And it is a good question and subject. Tom ... From: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com...
Tom Mix
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Jul 13, 2008
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No, you are partially correct but it was Slocum who refused to server under Hooker. He simply despised the man. Hooker could tolerate Slocum but would never...
Tom Mix
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Jul 12, 2008
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In a message dated 7/11/2008 4:21:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jvt1976@... writes: Logan would have made him just as mad, if not madder. Wasn't no way...
keeno2@... Send Email Jul 12, 2008
4:21 am

what happened there?...
Carl Williams
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Jul 12, 2008
2:11 pm

In a message dated 7/12/2008 9:12:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, carlw4514@... writes: what happened there? This is off the top of my head so bear with...
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5:23 pm

thanks for the explanation ... From: Tom Mix <tmix@...> To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:00:30 PM Subject: RE:...
Jason van Teylingen
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Jul 12, 2008
6:32 pm

You are more than welcome. I hope it helps. I actually wrote it and sent it on the 10th. It must have got held up some where. Tom ... From:...
Tom Mix
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Jul 12, 2008
6:48 pm

... in ... From the moment he picked up a musket and fought as a citizen at First Bull Run, Logan was sold on military life. He loved being in the field and...
Tony Gunter
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Jul 15, 2008
2:38 pm

In the interest of full disclosure, Logan fought at Blackburn's Ford on July 19, two days before First Bull Run. He helped evacuate wounded from that affair...
Harry Smeltzer
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Jul 15, 2008
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