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#3891 From: "Simon" <simonknott@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 7:29 pm
Subject: your ideas welcomed 		suffolkodyssey
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Someone sent me this picture of a wedding, in the hope of identifying the church. I ought to mention that they think it is in Suffolk, but it MIGHT be in London. It looks like it could be in Suffolk.
 
My query is, where do you think this photograph is taken from? My first thought is that it was to the north of the chancel, and that is the north aisle to the west of the wedding party. But on the other hand, this seems a curious place to photograph them. If they are, as is more likely, outside the south porch, then the structure behind is a south chancel aisle - much more unusual in Suffolk, and I can only think of a handful.
 
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#3890 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:30 pm
Subject: More churches from Kiev 		mike4b1
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More from the ÄÀµÁºØØ º®¹²Ð goodie bag.
 
I have a promotional video from St Andrew's Church. Unfortunately, it's filmed in SECAM, which while watchable, comes out in monochrome on a standard UK TV set!
 
Mike
 
 

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#3889 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:04 pm
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Back in 1991, I was honoured (volunteered more like) by some of my Ukrainian
friends to be involved with promoting a debut tour of the UK by a very fine
chamber choir from Kiev (The Frescoes of Kiev). Amongst other things, I
found venues, contacted the press and cajoled other people into helping out
backstage. Naturally, this resulted in lots of shredded nerves from time to
time, but was ultimately a great experience.

Of course there was no cash reward for this, (the coach the choir travelled
in from Kiev would should really have been condemned!) but the parties were
great, and, of course, I got a mention in the official tour programme!

The choir sang for the very first time in the Uk in St Wilfrid's Church in
York and then went on to sing in other church loactions mainly in the north
of England, before taking part in the Sligo Choral Festival later that year.

Being part of the organising committee, I found myself being introduced to
several characters, one in particular turned out to be the official KGB*
minder who came along on tour presumably to stop anyone from thinking that
life outside the (then) Soviet Union was far better than inside!

I found this out during the tour, as it took place at the same time as the
aborted coup, and the fall of Gorbachev, and ultimately Ukraine's
independence being formally recognised. I missed a couple of concerts due to
work commitments, and when I rejoined the choir in Oldham, Mr. Minder had
vanished, and the atmosphere was noticably much much better.... It was there
that I was told who he was!

You may well be asking what all this has to do with churchpictures! Well,
amongst other things brought out of Ukraine, were various souvenir postcards
and other pictures featuring churches (and other pictures not included here)
of Kiev (and some excellent recordings too...)

Here are the first five from the batch that I bought. I've included the
Centre of Organ & Chamber Music because it *must* have been a
church/cathedral at one time, presumably before the USSR came into being.

Mike

PS. *I've propped up bars alongside other very unsavoury characters (unknown
to me at the time), but that is another story altogether!


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#3888 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:23 pm
Subject: S Elmham All Saints, Suffolk 		johnevigar
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Spurred on by Simon`s listing I visited this church in lovely sunshine.
Pictures posted of the south arcade and the very soppy dog!
 
John V.

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#3887 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:20 pm
Subject: Scoulton, Norfolk 		johnevigar
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A winner with lots of features to keep the churchcrawler happy.
A fine Easter Sepulchre with large holes in the base to take the wooden superstructure.
In the tower an unrecorded wafer oven.
A good low side window.
 
Pictures posted of the interior and wafer oven.
 
John V.

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#3886 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:16 pm
Subject: Brooke, Norfolk 		johnevigar
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A very well kept church with a set of fine nineteenth century fittings.
Picture of the chancel.
 
John V.

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#3885 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:15 pm
Subject: Deopham, Norfolk 		johnevigar
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A large a rather sad church.
Pictures of the interior and the very odd sanctuary chair which shows golfers!
John V.

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#3884 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:12 pm
Subject: Great Ellingham, Norfolk 		johnevigar
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This is an uncommonly good church with lots of interesting features.
Pictures posted are of two remnants of the medieval screen. One is carved as usual, the other a poor relation where the tracery is painted on the base!
Also posted is some nineteenth century graffiti on the west gallery.
 
John V.

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#3883 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:09 pm
Subject: Kirstead, Norfolk 		johnevigar
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Two cell nineteenth century rebuild of a late Norman church.
Pictures include a general interior, and detail of a bagpipe player on one of the late medieval bench ends.
 
John V.
 

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#3882 From: AllanBBarton@...
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:56 am
Subject: More Comper - Convent of All Saints, London Colney 		allan_de_barton
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More Comper, this time the chapel of the former Anglican convent of the All Saints at London Colney in Hertfordshire, now the rather neglected Roman Catholic All Saints Pastoral Centre.

Allan Barton

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#3881 From: AllanBBarton@...
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:56 am
Subject: Comper - St Cyprian's, Clarence Gate 		allan_de_barton
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A few shots of the interior of Comper's masterpiece - St Cyprian's Clarence Gate, London

Allan Barton

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#3880 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 4:25 pm
Subject: Is this a first? 		mike4b1
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Just wondering whether this is the first picture of a church taken from on
board a ship to be submitted!

I'll come clean and admit the the ship wasn't at sea at the time! It is the
wonderful Australian replica of HM Bark Endeavour, currently in its
spiritual home of Whitby (actually docked at Endeavour Wharf named after the
original Endeavour, which for those of you who didn't know, was built in
Whitby).

The church is St Mary's on the East Cliff (Whitby's Parish Church) proudly
flying the Aussie national flag as it did in 1997, the last time Endeavour
visited.

Mike

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#3879 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 4:13 pm
Subject: Aughton. East Riding. Church of All Saints. 		mike4b1
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I revisited this church at the end of June, as there was a series of free
concerts taking place to commemorate the local family involvement in the
Pilgrimage of Grace. Attached are two pics of the exterior. I would have
loved to get some interior pics, but the church was (a), packed and (b), the
East End was full of seating and other clutter belonging to the singers and
instrumentalists taking part in the concert, which was actually, very
enjoyable.

Mike

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#3878 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 4:02 pm
Subject: Nottingham. Cathedral Church of St Barnabas. 		mike4b1
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A Pugin building dating from the 1840's. Enclosed are some slides from me
and a publicity pic of the redecorated building on the occasion of it's
150'th birthday!

Mike

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#3877 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:53 pm
Subject: Nottingham St Peter 		mike4b1
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I took this on a stroll round Nottingham one Sunday afternoon, after having
been to the Cathedral in the morning. I get roped in to singing with the
Cathedral Choir whenever I'm in the area!

Mike

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#3876 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:49 pm
Subject: Newark Holy Trinity Old Church 		mike4b1
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This slide was taken during the wedding of my Mum & Dad way back in
September 1958!

Mike

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#3875 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:45 pm
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Built in the 1970's to replace an older building which had to be demolished
as the cost of repair far exceeded that of building a new church. Some
people (actually relatives and their immediate circle of friends) call it a
very poor version of the wigwam that passes for the Metropolitan Cathedral
of Liverpool!

Mike

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#3874 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:38 pm
Subject: Postcards from Newark. 		mike4b1
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Not strictly true actually, as some of these pics of the Parish Church are
mine.

Mike

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#3873 From: "Mike Forbester" <mike.4b@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 3:26 pm
Subject: More from the archives.. Worksop Priory 		mike4b1
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I'm still waiting for the remainder of my pics from the AGM to come back.
Meanwhile, here's a few slides of Worksop Priory taken a few years ago, just
before I sang there with the Bradford Choristers - another ad-hoc group of
inebriated musicians I've been involved with!

Mike

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#3872 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 9:06 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Tharston, St Mary 		seajay1942
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(1) Tharston, St Mary.  Detail of the memorial to Robert Woode d.1643, and attributed to William Wright.  It shows the deceased as a skeleton laying on a half-rolled-up mat, beneath his inscription.  A face of an angel lies below.
 
(2) Tharston, St Mary.  The view from the SE of the churchyard.  The south window of the chancel has a square-headed top similar to the trefoiled lights of the east window.  A polygonal stair turret climbs to the upper stage of the tower on the south wall.
 
(3) Tharston, St Mary.  A memorial to General Sir Robert John Harvey d.1860, on the north wall of the chancel.  He was present at nine battles, Oporto, Busaco, Salamanca, Vittoria, The Pyrenees, The Nile, The Nivelle, Orthes, and Toulouse.  Also at four sieges, Ciudad Rodrigo, Radajos, Burgos, and St Sebastian.  During the last three years of the war he was the "Organ of communication between Field-Marshal, The Duke of Wellington, as commander in chief of the army, and the Portuguese troops in the field."
 
(4)  Tharston, St Mary.  Benchend on north side of nave showing St Michael Weighing the Souls.  There are other benchends show different images.
 
That's all folks for this time.  I hope to send some more next week, and then there will be a break while I am away on holiday for a few weeks.
 
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#3871 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 9:01 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Tasburgh, St Mary 		seajay1942
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(1) Tasburgh, St Mary.  Looking east to the chancel, the east window was enlarged and glass inserted in 1903.  The nave and chancel roofs are of the hammerbeam type and were renewed in the C19.
 
(2)  Tasburgh, St Mary.  Two tiers of blind arcading can be seen in the tower lower stages.  This is possibly of an Anglo-Saxon date.  Parts of the original west wall also survive.  The tower contains a ring of five bells: (1) 1900 with names of churchwardens and the Rector on it;  (2) AD 1631;  (3) AD 1613;  (4) 1593 and made by William Brend with initials of Thomas Baxter on it;  (5) AD 1614 recast 1900.  The church stands within a hillfort that covers 24 acres; it is not known whether the fort dates from the Iron Age (700-43BC) or from the Saxon period (450-1066).  Excavations by the Norfolk Archaeological Unit have discovered that Stone Age tools were knapped under the churchyard, and on the same site the post-holes of early Saxon houses were found.  Possibly there was a wooden church there after the conversion of East Anglia to Christianity in 627 AD.  The present church was built c.1050 but only the lower part of the round tower, inside tower arch and west wall remain of the original structure.
 
(3)  Tasburgh, St Mary.  East window.  The glass was installed in 1903 after the window was enlarged.  The three main lights, from the north, represent: blind Bartimaeus crying for the Saviour of light, Love protecting children, and Jesus blessing a child.  Angels below carry symbols of the Crucifixion.
 
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#3870 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:58 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Shotesham, St Mary 		seajay1942
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This is one of four churches that once served the Shotesham villages, all within less than two miles of each other.
 
(1) Shotesham, St Mary.  This church is just under a mile WSW of All Saints.  The church stands next to the gabled old hall, of which one wing remains of the former larger house of c.1700.  This church was built in the C14 & C15 but fell into neglect and had to be restored in 1881 with further work carried out in 1903.  The Perpendicular west tower is of knapped flint with brick bell-openings, which presumably are part of the 1535 work mentioned in a bequest for "building of ye steeple".  The church is kept locked, and I couldn't see any keyholder information as the porch outer doorway was also locked.  A Sanctus bell hangs in its turret at the east end of the nave roof.  The east window of the chancel  has three stepped lancets under one arch.  And the design is copied to the Perpendicular north chapel east window.  The chapel is thought to have been built for Bartholomew Whyte in 1486.  He died in 1495.
 
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#3869 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:55 am
Subject: Shotesham, St Botolph (ruin) 		seajay1942
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This one for Phil
 
(1) Shotesham, St Botolph (ruin).  Mainly for Phil's completeness, as he likes info on ruined churches apparently !!  A view showing the location of a little of the remains of the church of St Botolph.  They amount to only a few lumps and bumps of rubble in a very overgrown piece of ground some 1½ miles from All Saints, and 1200m from St Mary.
 
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#3868 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:54 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Shotesham, St Martin (ruin) 		seajay1942
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(1) Shotesham, St Martin (ruin).  A view from the south showing St Mary's tower in the background with the ruined tower of St Martin (covered in ivy) nearest the camera.  The bell-openings of the tower appear to have brick surrounds with Y-tracery.  The remains of this church are only 150m from St Mary's church.  The church was in ruins in 1731, and it is now very much overgrown and almost impossible to photograph any detail.
 
(2) Shotesham, St Martin (ruin).  Looking east into the remains of the nave from the tower.  I shouldn't have been in this position to take this photo as it was all roped off for safety reasons, however, having taken my life in my hands I risked life and limb to record for posterity what little remains of the interior, before it all disappears forever.
 
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#3867 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:51 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Shotesham, All Saints 		seajay1942
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(1) Shotesham, All Saints.  The west tower is quite simple in design and dates from C15.  A vestry has been added to the south west, and the chapel at the south-east (added onto the chancel) dates from the Victorian restoration.
 
(2) Shotesham, All Saints.  Looking east towards the chancel.  The chancel screen dates from C19.  Wall Paintings were discovered on the nave walls and around the chancel arch in 1888.
 
(3) Shotesham, All Saints.  The reredos at east end of chancel.  This dates from 1901 and is contemporary with the pulpit.
 
(4) Shotesham, All Saints.  This is supposed to represent St Lawrence.  He is bound at the ankles and wrists and is being lapped by flames.  It is reminiscent of the style of paintings at Weston Longville, and therefore probably dates from c.1360.
 
(5) Shotesham, All Saints.  On the font an unusual depiction on the shield of one of the angels is seen here.  A spear and a musical horn.  This representing the Instruments of the Passion.
 
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#3866 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:48 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Saxlingham Thorpe, St Mary (ruin) 		seajay1942
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(1) Saxlingham Thorpe, St Mary (ruin).  Looking east down the nave to the chancel from the tower.  In the north chancel wall a small round-headed blocked window can be seen.  This type of splayed window was typical of the late C11 and early C12.  As the nave is earlier than the chancel, it could be of Anglo-Saxon date.  In the north wall of the chancel there is a straight vertical joint running the full height of the wall.
 
(2) Saxlingham Thorpe, St Mary (ruin).  Viewed from the east.  The church of St Mary underwent several extensions and alterations in its 400 years of use as a place of worship.  The first phase was a simple rectangular box - the nave.  The chancel wall butts onto the east end of the nave showing that it was built after the nave was completed.
 
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#3865 From: "Chris Harrison" <seajay@...>
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 8:44 am
Subject: Norfolk Churches - Saxlingham Nethergate, St Mary the Virgin 		seajay1942
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Another batch of recently visited Norfolk churches for you all.  One of which is for Phil, although you need a lot of imagination to be able to picture it, but has been included for completeness - though beyond restoration sadly.  First up is:
 
(1) Saxlingham Nethergate, St Mary the Virgin.  The present church is mainly of the Perpendicular style, and therefore, naturally, Victorian.  The exception is the south doorway, with simple C12 imposts.  The west tower with a brick & flint chequer at the top, has a very pretty clock on the south side dated 1794.  The nave windows are Perpendicular and have stepped horizontals between the lights and the tracery.
 
(2) Saxlingham Nethergate, St Mary the Virgin.  The interior looking east along the nave to the chancel.  The chancel screen is thought to be a Victorian addition.
 
(3) Saxlingham Nethergate, St Mary the Virgin.  C15 stained glass assembled in the central panel of the north aisle east window.
 
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#3864 From: "johnevigar" <john@...>
Date: Sun Jul 7, 2002 6:10 pm
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Six very different and enjoyable churches. All open.
Condicote. A two cell Norman church with curiously pointed chancel arch (the result of an early alteration). Interior much scraped by Mr Cutts in the 19th century who added twin Romanesque windows at the east end. A good low side window in the chancel.
Stow on the Wold. A large town centre church. Lots of interesting details although overrestored. Large amount of Wailes glass and two very good Arts and Crafts windows in the clerestorey. They think a lot of their Civil War carved slab in the chancel but in my opinion it is very rustic and better for curiosity value than artistic ability.
Oddington. An old favourite of mine. Norman church more than doubled in size in the thirteenth century. Very little touched by the Victorians. Large amounts of wall painting, from thirteenth to nineteenth centuries, including a very good Royal Arms. Consecration crosses carved into exterior. Apropos recent postings there are two initialled feet outlines on a bench in the porch.
Wyck Rissington. Famous for its early thirteenth century east window(s) which take the form of an as yet unseen plate tracery. One CE Kempe and Co window. A mosaic on the wall replicates a real maze created by a Vicar here thirty years ago and since destroyed. Very sensitive north aisle added by the ubiquitous Mr Cutts.
Little Rissington. In a lovely location reached by footpath over a valley. Delightfully cared for, with many visitors due to the RAF station that this church formerly served. Extraordinary north arcade, Norman, but `propped up` in the fourteenth century when a north-west tower was built.
Westcote. A complete nineteenth century rebuild of a thirteenth century church. Nave and chancel with west tower. New lights based on oil lamp appearance. Good English altar set off by Austrian panelling. Glass by Hardman including two 1920s which are really very good and quite unlike their earlier windows in the church of thirty years earlier.
A selection of pictures are posted.
 
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#3863 From: marion <marion.hall@...>
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 8:21 pm
Subject: 17th century clothes 		bergin14
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Hambledon, Bucks Sir Cope Doyly 1633 - the clothes look later to me, but
what do I know. What is clear is the opposition mixture of puritan and
cavalier costume worn by the sons. Traces of original over- painting in
places..obvious on the close up.

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#3862 From: "John Whitworth" <j.whitworth@...>
Date: Fri Jul 5, 2002 5:35 pm
Subject: Sutton Church, Sutton, Essex 		j_dublevay
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Took these pictures just after I had been to St Nicholas in Canewdon. Unfortunately the church wasn't open. I will endeavour to re-visit when it is.
 
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