so the 100 could conveiably have a ruggedized, milspec unit with them
.. mit also be usefull to make sure that allies picked up on the way
STAY allies .

servus

markus

Onno Meyer wrote:
> Markus wrote:
>
>
>>yes, i forgot that ..
>>
>>however being brought up by taped parents would be almost as good ..
>
>
> See AE2 and running long-range projections. "Field too large" at
> 30 generations or so, but she tries every now and then, with new
> models and computers.
>
>
>>has there ever been a mention how portable tape equipment is..?
>
>
> 40k in Gehenna. The colonists live in bubble domes and tents, yet
> they have tape machines. On the other hand, those machines break
> in Gehenna's climate.
>
>
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>
>
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Markus wrote:

> yes, i forgot that ..
>
> however being brought up by taped parents would be almost as good ..

See AE2 and running long-range projections. "Field too large" at
30 generations or so, but she tries every now and then, with new
models and computers.

> has there ever been a mention how portable tape equipment is..?

40k in Gehenna. The colonists live in bubble domes and tents, yet
they have tape machines. On the other hand, those machines break
in Gehenna's climate.

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, benlin@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Alexander for the link to her new blog feed.
>
> Anyone know what the new book that CJC is finishing up is about?
>
> See recent entries at:
>
> Blog/RSS Feed: http:/www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore
>
> Ben
>

It's about Bren. 8)

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Markus Baur <baur@...> wrote:

> > Just another note: Morgaine was not mind-taped (at least not at Union);
> > she was born at some point after the mission started.

Yet, what of this:

I'm re-reading the Morgaine Sage and, on page 98 of the paperback edition,
Morgaine says to Vanye:

"We were a hundred strong, my comrades and I; and over the years we have grown
fewer and fewer, and now there is only myself."

Ed Carmien wrote:
>
>
> 1c. Re: AU universe and Morgaine
>    Posted by: "Markus Baur" baur@...
> <mailto:baur@...> agricola64
>    Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:24 am ((PST))
>
>
>
> AMZoltai wrote:
>
>> --- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com>, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group
>
>>> that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory
>
>>> did the sending :)
>
>>
>> That's Ariane Emory from Cyteen?
>
> i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people they
> sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines singlemindedness
>
> servus
>
> markus
>
> Just another note: Morgaine was not mind-taped (at least not at Union);
> she was born at some point after the mission started.

yes, i forgot that ..

however being brought up by taped parents would be almost as good ..

has there ever been a mention how portable tape equipment is..?

servus

markus

> Ed Carmien
> carmien@... <mailto:carmien@...>

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--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:

The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group

that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory

did the sending :)

That's Ariane Emory from Cyteen?

On Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:47 am ((PST)), "AMZoltai" amzolt@... amzoltwrote:

> 1a. Re: When does Morgaine happen?
>   Posted by: "AMZoltai" amzolt@... amzolt
>   Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:47 am ((PST))
>
> --- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <xheralt@...> wrote:
>>
>> Just to really make you head spin, consider this:  It may not be either AE we
know of, that sends Morgaine -- it could be AE3 (or #10 or #20...) depending on
the shelf life of the current model, or her (hypothetical) successors.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Well, we could ask C. J. again.........
>
> Plus, what about the backtime event???
>
ISTR that is mentioned in the short story collection 'visible light'

Regards, Andy
--
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--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "Onno Meyer" <onno.meyer@...> wrote:
>
> > Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...
> >
> > Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other
> > books??
>
> On an earlier Cherryhlist, someone remarked that Capella from Tripoint looked
remarkably qhal. I don't buy that one, personally, not from current data at
least.
>

Hmmmmmm....

Thanks Alexander for the link to her new blog feed.

Anyone know what the new book that CJC is finishing up is about?

See recent entries at:

Blog/RSS Feed: http:/www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore

Ben

> Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...
>
> Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other
> books??

On an earlier Cherryhlist, someone remarked that Capella from Tripoint looked
remarkably qhal. I don't buy that one, personally, not from current data at
least.

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <xheralt@...> wrote:
>
> Just to really make you head spin, consider this:  It may not be either AE we
know of, that sends Morgaine -- it could be AE3 (or #10 or #20...) depending on
the shelf life of the current model, or her (hypothetical) successors.

Hmmm...

Well, we could ask C. J. again.........

Plus, what about the backtime event???

Just to really make you head spin, consider this:  It may not be either AE we
know of, that sends Morgaine -- it could be AE3 (or #10 or #20...) depending on
the shelf life of the current model, or her (hypothetical) successors.

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "AMZoltai" <amzolt@...> wrote:
>
> Just got an email back from C. J. herself concerning where Morgaine fits into
the A-U timeline:
>
> from CJ Cherryh <cj@...>
> sender-time Sent at 6:02 PM (GMT-08:00). Current time there: 3:18 PM. &#9990;
> to Alexander M Zoltai <amzolt@...>
> date Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM
> subject RE: Morgaine...
> mailed-by cherryh.com
> signed-by cherryh.com
> hide details 6:02 PM (15 minutes ago)
>
> About the 3000's. And Morgaine's mother was Union.
>
> ---C.J. Cherryh
>
> Web: http:/www.cherryh.com
> Blog/RSS Feed: http:/www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore
> Publications: http:/www.closed-circle.net
>

Just got an email back from C. J. herself concerning where Morgaine fits into
the A-U timeline:

from CJ Cherryh <cj@...>
sender-time Sent at 6:02 PM (GMT-08:00). Current time there: 3:18 PM. &#9990;
to Alexander M Zoltai <amzolt@...>
date Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:02 PM
subject RE: Morgaine...
mailed-by cherryh.com
signed-by cherryh.com
hide details 6:02 PM (15 minutes ago)

About the 3000's. And Morgaine's mother was Union.

---C.J. Cherryh

Web: http:/www.cherryh.com
Blog/RSS Feed: http:/www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore
Publications: http:/www.closed-circle.net

Georgiana Gates wrote:
> I know that one of the books' introduction says point-blank that
> Morgaine is part of Union. But I've never been able to think of these
> books as Union books.
>
> If Union had access to the qhal gates, wouldn't they have easily wiped
> out Earth and Alliance? In about 3 seconds of "real time".

By the time of Morgaine -- which cannot be determined by the Emory reference
since we know two already -- would Union have wanted to do so? At least in their
own mind, the Union leadership in Cyteen was even more pro-mankind than
pro-Union, even if they preferred a mankind with a strong Union presence :-)

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "herwin_20171" <harry.erwin@...> wrote:
>
> It's easy to arrange. Go to <http://www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore/>.

Wow, and I thought I'd done a good web search for Cherryh...

Registered there, sent her an email about Morgaine's place in the timeline--will
post any answer I get.........

it would be very hard to do that without serious repercussions on the
union side of things .. they asre too much interwined ..

servus

markus

Georgiana Gates wrote:
> I know that one of the books' introduction says point-blank that
> Morgaine is part of Union. But I've never been able to think of these
> books as Union books.
>
> If Union had access to the qhal gates, wouldn't they have easily wiped
> out Earth and Alliance? In about 3 seconds of "real time".
>
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:09:51 +0100
>   Markus Baur <baur@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>AMZoltai wrote:
>>
>>>>i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people
>>>>they
>>>>sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines
>>>>singlemindedness
>>>>
>>>>servus
>>>>
>>>>markus
>>>
>>>Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...
>>>
>>>Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other
>>>books??
>>
>>i cant remember any .. but then the existence of such technology
>>would
>>probably as "burn before reading" classified
>>
>>servus
>>
>>markus
>>
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>>schluesselgasse 3/5             tel: +43 - (0)1 - 50 40 662
>>a-1040 wien                     email: baur@...
>>austria/europe                  icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E
>>
>>a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html
>>
>>"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

It's easy to arrange. Go to <http://www.cherryh.com/WaveWithoutAShore/>.

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "AMZoltai" <amzolt@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Campbell <habu974@> wrote:
> > I'd've thought it was right at the end - 5000AD+?  But according to the
semi-non-canon illustrated Morgaine books which CJ did with Jane Fancher many
moons ago, it was Ari Emory I or II who sent the 100 on their way!
> >  the Bubble-Bounce-ReSettling had to be at the end, because it appears
nowhere else in the chronology, in_Angel With the Sword_, or anywhere else.
> >  
> > We'd have to ask her :D  That, at least, can be arranged.
>
> That can actually be arranged?!
>
> Well, actually I suppose it actually could... Wonder why I never thought of
that...?
>
> But, do you have a fast-track lane for getting answers?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Alex @ http://sites.google.com/site/whereigetmyfuel/home
>

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Ian Campbell <habu974@...> wrote:
> I'd've thought it was right at the end - 5000AD+?  But according to the
semi-non-canon illustrated Morgaine books which CJ did with Jane Fancher many
moons ago, it was Ari Emory I or II who sent the 100 on their way!
>  the Bubble-Bounce-ReSettling had to be at the end, because it appears nowhere
else in the chronology, in_Angel With the Sword_, or anywhere else.
>  
> We'd have to ask her :D  That, at least, can be arranged.

That can actually be arranged?!

Well, actually I suppose it actually could... Wonder why I never thought of
that...?

But, do you have a fast-track lane for getting answers?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alex @ http://sites.google.com/site/whereigetmyfuel/home

Just a FYI to those who like to visit the Shejidan site for more Cherryh
discussions, the site seems to have moved from its old url to a new one.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Shejidan/index.php?act=idx

The old one, as found in the Links page here, does not seem to work anymore,
even as a archive site.

Just an advisement to whomever wants to know about it.  :)

Chris

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, "Georgiana Gates" <ramrod@...> wrote:
>
> I know that one of the books' introduction says point-blank that
> Morgaine is part of Union.

Do you mean one of the Morgaine books? If so which one?

All I remember reading is the "Union Science Bureau" sent them out. Does that
mean the gate-closers are all Union??

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alex @ http://sites.google.com/site/whereigetmyfuel/home

What graphic novel? I'm interested in reading that.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:50:29 -0800
   Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:
> "AMZoltai" amzolt@... amzolt telepathed:
>> Apparently the Union Science bureau sent Morgaine on her quest...
>>
>> Anyone know where in the AU timeline that happened?
>
> The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group
> that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory
> did the sending :)
>
>
> Tony Zbaraschuk
>
> --
> The arithmetic average of a bimodal distribution is not a useful
>number.

I know that one of the books' introduction says point-blank that
Morgaine is part of Union. But I've never been able to think of these
books as Union books.

If Union had access to the qhal gates, wouldn't they have easily wiped
out Earth and Alliance? In about 3 seconds of "real time".



On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:09:51 +0100
   Markus Baur <baur@...> wrote:
>
>
> AMZoltai wrote:
>>>i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people
>>>they
>>>sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines
>>>singlemindedness
>>>
>>>servus
>>>
>>>markus
>>
>> Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...
>>
>> Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other
>>books??
>
> i cant remember any .. but then the existence of such technology
>would
> probably as "burn before reading" classified
>
> servus
>
> markus
>
> --
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> schluesselgasse 3/5             tel: +43 - (0)1 - 50 40 662
> a-1040 wien                     email: baur@...
> austria/europe                  icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E
>
> a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html
>
> "der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."
>

AMZoltai wrote:
>>i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people they
>>sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines singlemindedness
>>
>>servus
>>
>>markus
>
> Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...
>
> Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other books??

i cant remember any .. but then the existence of such technology would
probably as "burn before reading" classified

servus

markus

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"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

no .. not neccessarily ..

as i said it would explain some aspects of her character

servus

markus

Scott wrote:
>
>
> Would she know?  Union was ruthless that way.
>
> Scott
>
> *From:* Markus Baur <mailto:baur@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:26 AM
> *To:* cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [cherryhlist] Re: AU universe and Morgaine
>
>
>
>
>
> AMZoltai wrote:
>  > --- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com>, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:
>  >
>  >>The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group
>  >>that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory
>  >>did the sending :)
>  >
>  > That's Ariane Emory from Cyteen?
>
> i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people they
> sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines singlemindedness
>
> servus
>
> markus
>
> --
> markus baur SCA: markus von brixlegg
> schluesselgasse 3/5 tel: +43 - (0)1 - 50 40 662
> a-1040 wien email: baur@... <mailto:baur%40chello.at>
> austria/europe icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E
>
> a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html
> <http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html>
>
> "der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."
>
>
>
>

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a-1040 wien                     email: baur@...
austria/europe                  icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E

a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html

"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

> i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people they
> sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines singlemindedness
>
> servus
>
> markus


Now I want to read the Cyteen series again...

Think there are any references, even if veiled, to Morgaine in other books??

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alex @ http://sites.google.com/site/whereigetmyfuel/home

AMZoltai wrote:
> --- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:
>
>>The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group
>>that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory
>>did the sending :)
>
> That's Ariane Emory from Cyteen?

i always wondered if they did use some special tape on the people they
sent out .. it could explain a little bit of morgaines singlemindedness

servus

markus

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a-1040 wien                     email: baur@...
austria/europe                  icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E

a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html

"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Ed Carmien <carmien@...> wrote:
"A reader may genuinely not be able to tell where things are going in the
narrative. . ."

That seems to happen in just the first few pages...

Vanye has the attempt at killing a deer and a few pages later it's said the deer
he and Morgaine see are the first in weeks...

There's also his thoughts about being in a dream and the repetition of phrases
about clouds rolling in...

Almost like he experienced a time-jump.

I don't have
> the chapter and verse to cite for what generation she is, but I'm
> positive she wasn't born in Union. . .
>
> ejc

Love to know her ancestry and where she fits in the A-U timeline...

--- In cherryhlist@yahoogroups.com, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz@...> wrote:
> The graphic novel shows Ariane Emory as being one of the group
> that sent her out... of course, we don't know _which_ Ariane Emory
> did the sending :)

That's Ariane Emory from Cyteen?