I added some pictures to the album section.

Valete,
Valerius/Robert

Have done a bit of revamping to my site www.dark-age-boats.co.uk
and have had some thoughts for a re-actment boat group click on Re-
enactment boat group to see.
Thoughts please.

Edwin

kestrel for a knave Harris got the last line of his post past me. My
fault but he is now banned permanently.

Edwin

Sorry about that silly burst of messages.
Sadly I will now have to moderate messages for a while, if the yahoo
thing works.

Any reasoned argument will be permitted even if I think you are wrong
but personal abuse should at least wait until the third exchange of a
list discussion :-)

Edwin

Leof Gewisse

Welcome to the new subscribers-care to post a little about your
interests in the period?

Saw 12foot faering at the Beale Park Boat Show on Sunday. Built by an
older student of boat-building at Lowestoft College. 12ft x 56 inches
breadth. Bright finished mahogany glued-clinker. A lovely boat, all
the builder has to do now is to stop working on it and to get it into
the water. Has much the same plank runs as Oughtred's 15foot faering
Elf. Makes my fibre-glass one of the same approximate dimensions look
a bit dowdy though.

Coracles as well at Beale Parky of a very simple design we could copy
for a water folly and authentic submergence.

Wes thu hael

Edwin

Regia has at least three plastic longships. I
don't think they are used much due to the
cost of transport. They also have a wooden
saxoring and used to have larger wooden ships
but I believe these have been sold. They kept
sinking!

There is also the half-scale Sutton Hoo
replica "Sae Wylfing" owned by Dr Edwin
Gifford. This was last seen ashore at Sutton
Hoo. I've spoken to Dr Gifford and it seems
she's not used much now. When she does go
out, the crew is provided by the Colchester
Anglo-Saxon Society. Dr Gifford also owns
"Ottar", a half-scale replica of the Gravney
boat.

In the longer term, the National Trust is
raising funds for the construction of a full
size Sutton Hoo replica. When, and if, this
feels water is anyone's guess.

Wes thu hael

Ruadh.
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> In a message dated 27/05/03 09:48:29 GMT
Daylight Time,
> no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > i have been to museums and looked at
loads of websites already. is
> > there a reenactment group that does boats
or has a boat? I'd be
> > interested in that.
> >
>
> Hi Jon
>
> Regia Anglorum still claims to do longships
on its web site but I am not
> clear how many boats they still have. If
you ring them at the Bristol number given
> on their site they should be able to tell
you. I want a reenactment group
> that does boats and I think a multi-boat
living history come reenactment thing
> would be a very good thing. Been trying to
get some interest for some time but
> not much response.
>
> Wes thu hael
>
> Edwin
>
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In a message dated 28/05/03 20:24:46 GMT Daylight Time, MBTFX@... writes:


> I might be wrong but I think that the Black Tern is the

I had a feeling that it was on loan to Gloucester Education services but Kim
Siddorn would know. obviously.

Edwin


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That's the one, Druid's clay kingdom.

Is it me or is the world getting smaller? I seem to be falling over
connections all the time now. Even Arthurnet had a review of the reenactment at
Bolsover.

Edwin

In a message dated 28/05/03 17:30:16 GMT Daylight Time,
cerdingas@yahoogroups.com writes:


> "There is a possibility of a weekend at a reconstructed Saxon Ringfort
> in the Midlands with the English Gesithas"

That'd be at Druids place near Sutton Colefield then? Calling it a 'Saxon
Ringfort' seems a bit grand but it does have a nice little lake with an isalnd
in
it. He's also leader of the local Regia mob so there might be a chance to get
the little boat, 'The Black Tern' out on the pond?  It's only just up the
road for me so let me know what's happening.

I might be wrong but I think that the Black Tern is the only authentic boat
that RA have in decent condition, although I think the  3 glassfibre ones are
still okay.

Matt


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There is a possibility of a weekend at a reconstructed Saxon Ringfort
in the Midlands with the English Gesithas. If it happens we could
splash around on the lake they have in whatever boat is available.
Possible that we could build a coracle. My own plastic faering is a
possibility as well.

Edwin

. is
> > there a reenactment group that does boats or has a boat? I'd be
> > interested in that.
> >

Jon,

If you're interested in a re-eanctment group that does quite a lot of messing
about in boats (and owns it's own) then I guess you should take a look at
(and it pains me to have to do this) Regia Anglorum (www.regia.org). They're a
national society whose core period is 850-1066 and they have local groups all
over the place, including Leicester.
If you're more interested inre-enacting  Iron Age, invasion period history
then talk to Tinker (John Naylor), of the Vicus and if you're interest lies in
post-Roman/Migration period history then talk to me ;¬)

Matt Bunker
ERA


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In a message dated 27/05/03 11:58:29 GMT Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:


> i wonder if such things happened in the darkages b4 global
> communication

Must have happened, they even mispelled Cerdic as Arthur sometimes.

Edwin


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In a message dated 27/05/03 09:55:47 GMT Daylight Time, Glaucus@...
writes:


> Interesting use of the word 'adsorb' in the original message.
>

Yeah, quite intentional but the reasoning behind it goes through several
stages in my twisted brain.

Edwin


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In a message dated 27/05/03 09:48:29 GMT Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:


> i have been to museums and looked at loads of websites already. is
> there a reenactment group that does boats or has a boat? I'd be
> interested in that.
>

Hi Jon

Regia Anglorum still claims to do longships on its web site but I am not
clear how many boats they still have. If you ring them at the Bristol number
given
on their site they should be able to tell you. I want a reenactment group
that does boats and I think a multi-boat living history come reenactment thing
would be a very good thing. Been trying to get some interest for some time but
not much response.

Wes thu hael

Edwin


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none at the moment but they may come into fashion again. loads of
children here have irish names like connor or callum or caitlin.
foreign names are just some much more appealing, i would call my
children names like knut, egil or helgi. we should celebrate our
englishness more though and bring back the old names

jon

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but
> in mycase it's too much writing other peoples names.there are too
> many johns where i work.
>
> Hello,
>
> How many  reds?
>
> And Ethels?  Ethelread, are your Rede or Unready?
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> Cheers
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> Andy Horton.
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and i put an 'h' in my name. we are all lost without spell checks but
in mycase it's too much writing other peoples names.there are too
many johns where i work.

Hello,

How many  reds?

And Ethels?  Ethelread, are your Rede or Unready?

Cheers

Andy Horton.

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and i put an 'h' in my name. we are all lost without spell checks but
in mycase it's too much writing other peoples names.there are too
many johns where i work. one thing i have always wondered about is
the dynamics of names and how there are fads for certain names over
the years.

i wonder if such things happened in the darkages b4 global
communication

jon

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>
> Interesting use of the word 'adsorb' in the original message.
>
> adsorption | dsp()n | n. L19. [Blend of AD- and ABSORPTION.] Chem.
The adhering of atoms or molecules of gases, liquids, or solutes to
exposed surfaces (usu. of solids).adsorptional, adsorptive adjs. E20.
adsorptively adv. M20.
>
>
>
> Cheers
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> Andy Horton
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Hello,

Interesting use of the word 'adsorb' in the original message.

adsorption | dsp()n | n. L19. [Blend of AD- and ABSORPTION.] Chem. The adhering
of atoms or molecules of gases, liquids, or solutes to exposed surfaces (usu. of
solids).adsorptional, adsorptive adjs. E20. adsorptively adv. M20.



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Edwin

i have been to museums and looked at loads of websites already. is
there a reenactment group that does boats or has a boat? I'd be
interested in that.

does anyone live near leicester

john



--- In cerdingas@yahoogroups.com, aeduin@a... wrote:
> Hi Jon
>
> Nice to hear from you. Where to see the real examples depends a bit
on where
> you live of course. If in the UK then it will be the relevant
museum. For
> example, in Wiltshire we have two. The Old Town Museum in Swindon
which is small
> but has a good representative collection from Stone Ages through
Bronze to
> Roman Saxon and beyond. Devizes  Museum is the same but has much
bigger
> collections including really good ones on Bronze, Iron Age, Roman
and Saxon. The beauty
> of Devizes and Swindon is that with a bit of planning it is easy to
to see the
> actual places where the artefacts were found. This County museum
idea is true
> throughout the country with the British Museum being the biggest
adsorber of
> historic items. A visit there is a must but it is worth checking
that what you
> want to see is actually on display.
>
> Use the 24 Hour Museum to help you find one
http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/
>
> For modern replicas there are many sites. Try a google search:
under celtic,
> swords. torcs, etc. and if you get too many hits try modifying the
search by
> words and phrases like: price, for sale, replica. Naturally,
reenactors'
> markets and fairs will become your second home and smuggling
purchases into the
> house second nature.
>
> Wes thu hael
>
> Edwin

I have uploaded some pictures I took this morning to my fotopic gallery. They
are from Swindon Old Town Museum.

www.shipman.fotopic.net

I have some other bits in galleries that might be of interest.

Wes thu hael

Edwin

Hi Jon

Nice to hear from you. Where to see the real examples depends a bit on where
you live of course. If in the UK then it will be the relevant museum. For
example, in Wiltshire we have two. The Old Town Museum in Swindon which is small
but has a good representative collection from Stone Ages through Bronze to
Roman Saxon and beyond. Devizes  Museum is the same but has much bigger
collections including really good ones on Bronze, Iron Age, Roman and Saxon. The
beauty
of Devizes and Swindon is that with a bit of planning it is easy to to see the
actual places where the artefacts were found. This County museum idea is true
throughout the country with the British Museum being the biggest adsorber of
historic items. A visit there is a must but it is worth checking that what you
want to see is actually on display.

Use the 24 Hour Museum to help you find one http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/

For modern replicas there are many sites. Try a google search: under celtic,
swords. torcs, etc. and if you get too many hits try modifying the search by
words and phrases like: price, for sale, replica. Naturally, reenactors'
markets and fairs will become your second home and smuggling purchases into the
house second nature.

Wes thu hael

Edwin

Hello,

Where can I get to look at weapons like this. I have an interest in
the dark ages and the celtic periods but only just found out about
reenactment (I found the group through the dark age boats site).
Isn;t the interent wonderful

Jon



--- In cerdingas@yahoogroups.com, "stewartdd2002" <aeduin@a...>
wrote:
> Leof
>
> It wasn't until I visited the medieval market at Cressing Barn,
> Essex,yesterday that I connected one of our members with TimeTarts
a
> reenactment trading company of yummy goods. Sorry to have missed
you
> this time John, I am sure we spoke at the first alternative venue
to
> Blackbird Leys. I was the one dribbling over the bone-handled
spathas
> and the enamelled Frankish swords. This time it was the
> bronze "jockey cap" Celtic helmet. Perhaps we can meet up at the
next
> venue or we might combine a visit to one of the Robin Hood
> experiences in Nottingham with a visit to your emporium. Will the
> chariot be there? Do you want to post your website when it is
> refurbished?
>
> For those of you who don't know, Blackbird Leys was a reenactment
> market run in a leisure centre in outer Oxford. It was too hot,
too
> crowded and located in bandit country but it was fun.
>
> Beo gesund
>
> Edwin

Matt

We will be in Armorica over the next Bank Holiday but I'll see if this Sunday
at Alton is possible. You can have a laugh over my new sax and spear.

Not sure if Roy always reads his email regularly, could you post me
directions privately?

Edwin

Hello,

OS Guide to Roman Britain

1:625 000

available with "Living History" in newsagents at £3.25.

The map includes the current coastline and no attempt has been made to
reconstruct what the coastline was likely to have been in Roman times. Maybe
this would be more practical with larger scale maps?



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In a message dated 11/05/03 19:47:13 GMT Daylight Time, MBTFX@... writes:


> Get your bum
> up to our next show at Bolsover (Bank Holiday weekend) as we're paying a
> visit to the shop on the Saturday morning.
>

An even smaller world. But then with a population reduced as it was most
people must know each other in 415AD+

Edwin


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Edwin,
  Tink the Time Tart  (that's his real name, only grown-ups call him John) is
also a member of ERA, which I notice that you are currently not. Get your bum
up to our next show at Bolsover (Bank Holiday weekend) as we're paying a
visit to the shop on the Saturday morning.
Oh, and we've got a practice in Alton next Sunday. Ask young Roy to pass you
the details.

Matt


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Leof

It wasn't until I visited the medieval market at Cressing Barn,
Essex,yesterday that I connected one of our members with TimeTarts a
reenactment trading company of yummy goods. Sorry to have missed you
this time John, I am sure we spoke at the first alternative venue to
Blackbird Leys. I was the one dribbling over the bone-handled spathas
and the enamelled Frankish swords. This time it was the
bronze "jockey cap" Celtic helmet. Perhaps we can meet up at the next
venue or we might combine a visit to one of the Robin Hood
experiences in Nottingham with a visit to your emporium. Will the
chariot be there? Do you want to post your website when it is
refurbished?

For those of you who don't know, Blackbird Leys was a reenactment
market run in a leisure centre in outer Oxford. It was too hot, too
crowded and located in bandit country but it was fun.

Beo gesund

Edwin

Wes Hael,

I've been an idle observer here for a while, and wonder if any of you
fellows can help me out with the following that I've posted on a few
groups;


Dear All,
At the risk of being seen to be forever banging on about the same old
thing, or surreptitiously abusing your kindness in order to bit by
bit complete a comprehensive gazetteer of toponymy in the English
North West with the minimum of personal effort or scholarship, I have
a few little questions for the more knowledgeable members…

Mamucium. Whence the modern Celtic forms? Mancein and such
variations? Are these the result of a learned Celtification from the
erroneously postulated apocryphal back-formation `Mancunium'? [For
those curious, something on the lines of `Mameceaster' is among the
earlier attested forms, with Mam > Man being a later development
resulting from the assimilatory affect of the subsequent consonant.
I think. Municipal sex-change, eh?]
Any ideas for derivation, beyond the usual `breast – hill' idea? [I
have terrible trouble recognising any such thing in the older maps
and pictures, let alone the contemporary landscape! And the thought
of hailing from Boobchester loses its novelty very quickly…] How
about some kind of religious naming, referring to some Mam Goddess?
Brigantia herself? Or would being a Mam not be included in her
aspects? Exactly how old is the name of Mam Tor in the Peak? Or is
this just a transparent topographical comment? Could we imagine a
cult area straddling the mountains to leave such a name on either
side of what seems quite an abrupt frontier? Is there any
archaeological indication of similarity or otherwise between these
regions? [or is the Brigantean/Cornovian/Corieltauvian border more
significant than I give it credit for? I won't push this silly Mam
idea too far, but I'm curious to see exactly how you shoot it down].
How ought a native Welsh form to have developed from Mamucium? And
what if a Caer had been stuck onto the front? *Caerfaw? Urgh!

Here I am reminded of my gratitude to those on the group who helped
me get from Mersey's old name Seteia to a hypothetical Modern Welsh
Hydwy/Hedwy, and Belisama to Belaf [Ribble]. ;o) Gentlemen-Scholars
all, I thank yers!

If you're not completely impatient of my conjectures, then how about
this:-
Archaeology, place names and common sense combine to indicate that
the hill of Werneth Low [near the junction of the Tame and Goyt, and
the beginning of the Mersey] has been a local centre of some
description for a LONG long time. There are all manner of earthworks
and tumuluses on top, and the Roman Road passed through the immediate
vicinity. Moreover, the name appears to show a degree of compromise
between native elements and the incomers in the Anglian takeover.
Though I haven't the exact data to hand, it is thought that the name
includes the element *verno- meaning `alder' [or is it lime?].
Anyroad, so much is received knowledge, so here comes the fantasy;

- Pengwern of obscure Dark Age literary fame????

Why not?! ;o)
Ben McGarr

In a message dated 13/04/03 12:54:46 GMT Daylight Time, Glaucus@...
writes:


>
> http://cma.soton.ac.uk/HistShip/shlect87.htm

These Southampton Uni History of the ship lectures are the best I've come
across.
I wish we ahd them in full.

Edwin


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Hello,

Some hulc notes I have discovered:

http://cma.soton.ac.uk/HistShip/shlect87.htm

Cheers

Andy Horton.
glaucus@...
History of Shoreham, England
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