Scott, I have to support Kara on this one. Even though it is anecdotal evidence,
for I have noticed the same thing from time to time. There is a lot of...
... evidence, ... I'm happy to have a Paul-free debate on any topic you care to name. Or even a Jesus red-letter only debate. Enough anecdotes, time to put up ...
... evidence, ... lot of ... teachings of ... Hi Maggie, Don't get me wrong! I don't NOT support Kara! The point I was making was that her experiment, though...
... the ... used ... were to many instances of it to clearly put my finger on them now. All I can say is that I know it happened. ... No prob, I can...
... <bigscott@a...> ... but ... No, but I accept the syntax of the way I just wrote it. We are also justified by works and grace - so it's not by faith alone....
... AW: Not at all; what I mean by that is that the only choice that is completely under my control - and which in essence is the only one that matters - is my...
... So are you saying that you ONLY have free will as pertains to this particular decision? On all other decisions you lack full free will? ... So what is your...
... Saving Faith is never alone, thus sola fide is a lie. ... But they DON'T contradict each other! Paul NEVER says "faith alone!" Only James says that and...
... So you claim, but nowhere does he deny that works which result from a saving faith ALSO justify. ... And I agree with Margaret. St. Paul's words against...
... Chris, You've offered no analysis of the analogy - you just accuse me of "burning straw men." The fact of the matter is, I've used the EXACT SYNTAX of...
... Your claims of me not understanding are just that, claims. Your accusations are hollow and lack substance. All I did was offer analogies using the EXACT...
... Can you please point out what you mean when you say that Paul draws a distinction between works of the law and "works which result from a saving faith". ...
... Well he denies that works justify. Since I have no idea what this distinction you have drawn, but which Paul knows nothing about, between works and "works...
... Huh?? You wrote another sentence that used the same syntax but happened to be a false statement and therefore a false analogy. And this is supposed to be...
... sw: So you claim, but nowhere does he deny that works which result from a saving faith ALSO justify. jim: Who, Paul? Are you claiming that Paul the...
... Well, as usual, you haven't thought this out well enough before boasting your answer. There is no disagreement between us that we are atoned for by...
... No, and I never said St. Paul taught we are NOT justified by faith alone, you're twisting my words (again). I said he never taught we are justified by...
... Fine, I have no problem substantiating this claim and I'm glad you've challenged me to do so for it gives me yet another chance to show the Catholic...
... I just made another posting of St. Paul's teachings and distinction between "good works" and "works of the Law" so I defer to that posting as my response...
... sw: No, and I never said St. Paul taught we are NOT justified by faith alone, you're twisting my words (again). I said he never taught we are justified by...
... There's no "mess" here - the point was I didn't say that St. Paul did teach we NOT justified by faith alone - (did teach=positive; not justified=negative);...
... You havn't substantiated anything. What you have done is provided a number of quotes where Paul uses the terms "works" and "works of the law", but where...
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