Planet EnvoyFYI. ... From: contact@... To: bentang@... Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Planet Envoy: "Jews Dont Need...
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Matthew Tan Yew Hock
yhtan56@...
Sep 1, 2002 12:42 pm
Post-Vatican II Pope-directed Catholic Ecumenism is totally different from non-Catholics-directed pan-Christian ecumenism disapproved by Pope Pius XI....
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Matthew Tan Yew Hock
yhtan56@...
Sep 1, 2002 7:15 pm
The real tragedies Vatican II are the following: 1. Documents not read 2. Read, but only slices of it 3. Read, but misunderstood and misrepresented 4....
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Matthew Tan Yew Hock
yhtan56@...
Sep 2, 2002 2:11 pm
Recommended article posted by Dave Armstrong. http://www.cin.org/archives/apolo/199811/0636.html...
The Catholic Church is Papal and Conciliar at the same time. Conciliar decrees approved by the pope have a double guarantee of infallibility: their own and...
Dear Matthew, You have done a good job in showing that unquestioned submission is demanded to the infallible decrees of an Ecumenical Council. Unfortunately,...
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Andrew Kong
andrewk@...
Sep 3, 2002 5:08 am
Dear Nicholoas While it has often been said that Vat II is a pastoral council, it is often misunderstood as meaning that it merely recommends stuff without any...
Since the opening of the Second Sacrosanct Council of the Vatican there have been very many claims made in regard to what it intended to teach, what it taught,...
We know all too well what it is like to live through the consequences of an ecumenical council that was ambiguous, confusing, even at times conciliatory toward...
"[The Council must present]the Sacred Patrimony of Truth received from the Fathers, AND, transmit that Doctrine pure and integral WITHOUT any attenuation or ...
Nicholas, The addendum to Lumen Gentium - "The Explanatory Note" - from which you quoted: "In view of the conciliar practice and ***pastoral purpose*** of the...
Joseph again has the habit of dumping entire documents. I am not going to waste my time again, this time round, reading these documents. Joseph can argue the...
Who claim it is? ... From: Joseph Emmanuel Torres II To: CATHOLICACT@YAHOOGROUPS.COM Cc: RomanCatholics@YAHOOGROUPS.COM ; nicholas.alexander@... Sent:...
No infallible definitions. But a lot of doctrinal teachings. Such as "invincible ignorance", protestants are not to be imputed with the sin of separation,...
"ambiguous, confusing"? Then listen to the Popes. Read his works. Listen to the Church - the Vatican documents. "conciliatory toward some of the Church's...
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Andrew Kong
andrewk@...
Sep 4, 2002 4:56 am
Dear Nicholas You love to misquote and this a classic example. I have NEVER said that the Vat II fathers defined any BINDING doctrines, as there were none. But...
Did you actually read the linked article, or are you merely judging a book (or article in this case) by its cover? If you get past the first paragraph, you...
Yes, let’s be good Catholics. Let’s all trash Joseph! Especially since, listening to the rest of the list members, he has changed his habits, and has...
No it must not. Otherwise we are in a very sticky situation, for we have many contradictions between the Vatican II documents and the Perennial Teachings of...
No offence, but Austin Flannery et al. had very definite motives behind their translations, and while they are not nearly as bad as the crud that spews forth...
"Pastoral decisions" of the Pope are not covered by the definition of Papal Infallibility passed at Vatican I: a dogmatic definition. So a "Pastoral decision"...
Joseph: The only mention of St. Paul rebuking St. Peter to his face is in Galatians. There, St. Paul rebuked St. Peter for his practice, which was eating...
... The teachings of our current pastors are appropriate for us to follow. True, the pastoral teachings of the latest council don't agree 100% with the...
Perhaps I should stop posting articles. Every time I forward something vaguely to do with Vatican II or some such, Nicholas and Joseph will start arguing with...
What contradictions? List them. ... From: Nicholas Alexander Trandem, MJC To: catholicact@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:18 PM Subject:...
First Vatican Council : Session IV Chapter III. "...both pastors and faithful, both individually and collectively, are bound, by their duty of hierachical...
How silly. There are more than 50 documents, here. Who wants to waste time on this. In spite of this, I have alreay read a few articles whole and entire -...
