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Re: Car-free cities and jobs

Hello Justin and Car Free folks

--- In carfree_cities@yahoogroups.com, "amqx" <amqx@y...> wrote:
> Let me start by saying that I strongly support the idea of car-free
> cities. It fits perfectly with my philosophy that society is based
on
> human interaction.
>
> However, I was discussing it with a friend of mine, and he brought
up
> an interesting issue. Eliminating cars would leave countless people
> unemployed. Would car-free cities create any new jobs that could
> replace them, such as train and bus building?
> --Justin

I actually spent some time recently reading up on a car-free
(pretty much) city of 500,000+ people.

Yongkang in eastern Zhejiang province. Neighbouring Yiwu City is
among China's 100 richest counties (cities), Dongyang City, Yongkang
City, and Wucheng District are among province's most well-off
counties (cities).

Yongkang has a long history as a center for tool and machinery
production. In the late 1990's, *somebody* made the decision that
Yongkang would also be a center for the manufacture of small two and
three wheeled vehicles, gas and electric, for export. These are kick
scooters and bicycles and larger Vespa-style machines with power or
power-assist.

Today, Yongkang has over 100 factories making component parts and
asembling and selling these little machines. Because the different
companies all share most of the same parts, there are perhaps a few
dozen "flavours", but mostly they all look very similar in appearance
and specifications.

Collectively these companies all in and around Yongkang comprise
several millions of square feet of factory space presently shipping
millions of scooters and bicycles overseas annually.

Product features and quality are improving each year, but the
Yongkang vehicles started out badly and have a reputation for uneven
quality and support to overcome now... Most of these companies that
are assembling and selling these vehicles are also still engaged in
their traditional products like wire brushes and power tools, patio
furniture, etc.

Yongkang is also China's amputation capital, as their production
of all manner of housewares and tools etc etc involves heavy
machinery and unskilled labour, inexperience, etc.

This at least comprises a lot of employment in this car-free
city. That they are producing personal vehicles (cars?) is perhaps
incongruous... the good(?) news is, the citizens of Yongkang don't
actually use these vehicles themselves. They know the product is
unadequate, and almost the entire Yongkang output of vehicles goes to
export. There are 100's of ads for these vehicles on eBay right
now.

Is there room in a car-free city for bicycles and other little
electric vehicles? Personal electric vehicles typically have motors
rated around 500 watts - compared to your coffee-maker which is
likely rated at over 1,000 watts. A small car might have a power
measured in watts of perhaps 60,000 watts and from there the cars go
up in power... Humans generate 100-200 watts pedaling their bikes.

The USA recently legalized power-assisted bicycles up to 750
watts (as not subject to State motorized vehicle codes.)

Clearly these little vehicles are not an all-weather, all-
season solution for many parts of the world, but in many other parts,
and for many people, they can be.

Operating and "fuel" costs for these vehicles can work out to a
penny or a few per passenger mile. AFAIK, our Public Transit here
could manufacture these things locally and give `em away to transit
users, and they would reduce their operating deficit significantly to
the extent that the little vehicles could replace the larger ones for
short urban trips.

With personal little electric vehicles, there are no more empty
seats or driver expenses. They plug in anywhere, so you don't need
fueling stations. They don't need vast paved parking lots. The
roadways would suddenly develop a huge increase in existing capacity
(as the size of the vehicles shrink.)

So, anyway Justin, in answer to your question, I can see lots
of employment locally in transportation, without there being "cars"...

Might all depend on your definition of "car-free". Personally,
I prefer a bike or a scooter to a bus or subway anyday. What we
*really* need in all of this is shorter distances and less travel!!!

Lock




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Let me start by saying that I strongly support the idea of car-free cities. It fits perfectly with my philosophy that society is based on human interaction. ...
amqx Offline Send Email Oct 12, 2003
6:15 pm

=v= One statistic I read was that 1 in 6 jobs in the U.S. depends on cars. Another was that 20% of the average U.S. household's budget goes to cars -- a.k.a 1...
Jym Dyer
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Oct 12, 2003
6:41 pm

Before answering your question about if carfree cities will create jobs, first consider an important distinction between our current cities and carfree cities....
look384 Offline Send Email Oct 12, 2003
8:39 pm

... An interesting question. Indeed the missing auto industry jobs would be partially replaced by ones related to public transport. But the net result may well...
Erik Rauch
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Oct 13, 2003
7:15 pm

Also, a change from automobile-dependent transport would require other changes in goods delivery and general freight handling, many of which Mr. crawford...
Richard Risemberg
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Oct 13, 2003
7:37 pm

Hello Justin and Car Free folks ... on ... up ... I actually spent some time recently reading up on a car-free (pretty much) city of 500,000+ people. Yongkang...
lockhughes Offline Send Email Oct 16, 2003
12:48 am

If the topic is converting all or most of western civilation to auto- free status, a far-fetched concept, then yes there would be huge upheavals in economic...
dearleb Offline Send Email Oct 22, 2003
3:42 am

I've been intrigued by all the jobs discussions here. For the most part, in the U.S., anyway- carfree developments (unless they are on a grand scale and ...
Patrick McDonough
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Oct 22, 2003
11:19 am

... Yes, this is certainly true -- today anyway. But it was not the case prior to the 1950s. The increased popularity of driving since the end of WW II,...
Mike Neuman
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Oct 22, 2003
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... I don't think subsides will be needed. Modern economies are knowledge- based and succeed by attracting highly skilled people in very short supply. One of...
J.H. Crawford
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Nov 6, 2003
4:44 pm

I concur, and think a purpose-built city designed from the foundations up with the newest advances combined with the wisdom of the centuries would be a...
mauk_mcamuk Offline Send Email Nov 6, 2003
8:33 pm

... Not necessarily so. I found two locations in the Netherlands, one of the most densely populated nations in the world, where the Reference Design could be...
J.H. Crawford
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Nov 7, 2003
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... Hrrrrrm... Would it be possible to pitch a "carfree city" as a planned urban development, or essentially a large suburb? In other words, have the large...
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... From: Mike Neuman <mtneuman@...> ... Yes, this is certainly true -- today anyway. But it was not the case prior to the 1950s. The increased...
Richard Risemberg
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Oct 22, 2003
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... This all depends on whether going carfree is a moral or a practical decision. I don't think there is any industry so important that we should throw our...
Bijan Soleymani
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Oct 26, 2003
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... It's important to remember that millions of people all over the world already live in centuries-old carfree cities....
Tony Brewer
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Nov 6, 2003
10:49 pm

You are absolutely right! Now, what are we supposed to do with the three billion additional people expected to share the world with us by 2050? I think Paris...
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15,000 Parishaners died in August from the record setting heat-wave that reportedly took the lives of over 35,000 Europeans last summer. Unless Paris invests...
Mike Neuman
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Nov 7, 2003
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... What's the effect of Paris' thousands of trees? Can more be planted / the buildings be greened somehow?...
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I suppose more trees in the cities would help, if nothing else but to not make things worse with more and more pavement. Spraying with cool water also keeps...
Mike Neuman
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Nov 7, 2003
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... =v= Deciduous trees shade nearby buildings in the summer and let sunlight shine through in the winter. It's a good idea to plant more. I like the "green...
Jym Dyer
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Nov 8, 2003
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... I realize that the world is probably getting warmer, but I've been to Paris twice (both times in the summer) and have to say that the weather was much...
Bijan Soleymani
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Nov 8, 2003
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... They could charge the residents for the convenience of living on their development. This is called rent. Another option is selling the housing units to the...
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Nov 8, 2003
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