Dread knew exactly who she was.  In fact he had "seen" her in Jon's mind in Flame Street....he just didn't know she was the one who was going to ferry Elzer.  I always took her explaining who Pilot was as a show of conempt and disgust which she certainly would have.

I have often wondered about whether her background was common knowledge or not.  I do agree a LOT of people would take issue with where she came from.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, windjammers_one <windjammers@...> wrote:

 

I'm working on a story where the team meets up with another resistance group, and they know that Jennifer was in the Dread Youth. That got me thinking -- would Jennifer's past be common knowledge? In Freedom One, the spy had to tell Dread about Jennifer, and Dread didn't know. I find that a little odd that over the years, Dread never learned that one of his youth leaders was now a member of the team he considered his worst enemies.

Also, would anyone in the resistance be willing to trust someone who used to be the enemy no matter how many times they proved they had joined the good guys?

Then I wondered, wouldn't Dread have learned absolutely everything he could find out about the Power Team? Knowing one's enemies would seem to be a logical step for him.

 

I'm working on a story where the team meets up with another resistance group, and they know that Jennifer was in the Dread Youth. That got me thinking -- would Jennifer's past be common knowledge? In Freedom One, the spy had to tell Dread about Jennifer, and Dread didn't know. I find that a little odd that over the years, Dread never learned that one of his youth leaders was now a member of the team he considered his worst enemies.

Also, would anyone in the resistance be willing to trust someone who used to be the enemy no matter how many times they proved they had joined the good guys?

Then I wondered, wouldn't Dread have learned absolutely everything he could find out about the Power Team? Knowing one's enemies would seem to be a logical step for him.

 

I just checked the end credits of 'Summoning Part 1' and they spelled it Laccki.

I don't know about anyone else- I'm going on the assumption that Pilot was digitized by Blastaar in that final moment. no, it's not a pleasant thought. Still, I prefer it to thinking she's dead.

Mindy

- my area just hit 1* F and I'm wishing I was home in Tampa.

 

What if Dredd is just a borg type human being controlled, anyway the kill was Blastarr`s all the way...he was the dirtbag in that scene!

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From: Wind Jammer <windjammers@...>

Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:56:11 -0500

To: <captainpower@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [captainpower] Re: Could Dread work with Jon against Overmind ever?

 

Post-Retribution, with Jennifer gone, I don't think Jon would trust Dread with a concrete block, let alone anything else. I think Jon's probably feeling absolutely unmitigated hatred for Dread after that.

 

Should it be an AU where Jennifer's alive, I still don't see Jon trusting Dread. However, I do see him maybe listening to what Dread has to say in order to get some Intel. I just can't see any of the team trusting him at all, but they're not really in a situation where they could pass up an opportunity to learn more about the enemy.

 

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Shayna <datanully@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Matt Forish <voralgratha@...> wrote:

 

First off, it isn't "Loki", it's "Laachi". </nitpick>

No, it's not according to the script I have.  I haven't read it in years so I don't recall the exact spelling...Lackey is the dictionary spelling.  It could vary in other scripts.

As for the larger question, very interesting idea.  But could the team and especially Jon post-Retribution, be able to put aside everything Dread had done? 

 

In a message dated 12/8/2009 2:46:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, datanully@... writes:

As for the larger question, very interesting idea.  But could the team and especially Jon post-Retribution, be able to put aside everything Dread had done? 

That's the biggest question for me.  While Jon did feel some compassion toward Dread/Taggart in Flame Street, when he told him that he couldn't change what he was, what he still is, under the metal. . .I'm not sure Jon would be able to put aside everything Dread has done.  Dread, after all, has taken away everyone whom Jon has ever loved, in one form or another.  He's done the same to other members of the team, but the other members of the team weren't practically Taggart's adopted nephew.   I'm also intrigued by the possibility that there's still a part of Taggart which loves Jon.  It was pretty clear to me in A Summoning of Thunder that Taggart loved Jon, and regretted what his actions had done to the boy.  Necessary, but still regrettable.

 

Imagination is evidence of the divine.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Matt Forish <voralgratha@...> wrote:

 

First off, it isn't "Loki", it's "Laachi". </nitpick>

No, it's not according to the script I have.  I haven't read it in years so I don't recall the exact spelling...Lackey is the dictionary spelling.  It could vary in other scripts.

As for the larger question, very interesting idea.  But could the team and especially Jon post-Retribution, be able to put aside everything Dread had done? 

 

At 08:14 PM 12/07/2009, you wrote:

>Serious plot bunny question -- could there be a situation where
>Dread would actually defy Overmind and work with Jon to save someone
>or stop something from happening?

There's one possible situation where it might be. The intended
future season plot thread that the something in his programming that
Soaron could not account for in A Summoning Of Thunder was a
subroutine to kill Dread at some point in the future.

 

First off, it isn't "Loki", it's "Laachi". </nitpick>

I think it is obvious that neither Dread nor Overmind is completely aware of what the other is up to. I also think that there is something going on between the two of them that neither is completely unaware of either. They don't trust one another, though one or both of them may have at some point in the past. I can't see Taggart doing what he did to the world if he hadn't believed in the cause at the time, but I think that time (especially time spent half-way toward what he wants for humanity) has changed his outlook, and now he doesn't quite know what to do.

As far as what the future holds, and what Dread may be capable of doing / willing to do, that all depends on what happens to him. Remember, at the end of the first season, he was to be the first human interred in his new "shining metalloid body". What would that have done to him? Would he really have still been himself, or merely a figurehead and a true pawn of Overmind. If he did retain his humanity, and - gasp- his emotions, would that have changed his vision for humanity and caused a rift between he and Overmind?

I think that may have been one possible path, and it is my own personal iterpretation of how the story is resolved. Dread awakens and keeps his humanity, then he rebels and has to spend quite some time and effort to convince C.P. of his heartfelt change. Who would side with him? Who with Overmind? (Soaron, Blastarr, the Dread Youth, the Overunits...) -Matt

The appearance of Loki to spy on Dread was always a big interest to me since Overmind was supposed to know everything Dread was doing. What if the very difference in the human brain and a computer processor is what prevents Overmind from being able to know everything 100%? What if Overmind can't access certain areas of Dread's mind?   Also, distance may be a factor. If Dread were to go to the other side of the planet, would Overmind still be linked?   I've often wondered what Dread would do once he learned that Overmind had lied. We have moments where even Dread isn't acting like he's completely trusting Overmind -- whacking Loki the way he did is another proof of that. But Dread's been computerized to a point where he may not be capable of total independent thought.   Dread has an army that follows him. If he were to find out that the whole thing had been a lie, then he could order his DRead Youth to attack Volcania and destroy Overmind. If the team could get that to happen, what then? The entire world has been changed because of Overmind and the fact that Dread helped him. Would Dread take a grenade and go into Overmind's lab and blow them both up or would Dread try to stay alive and seek redemption? Could he look for any kind of redemption in a world that hated him and his forces?   Windjammers

 

First off, it isn't "Loki", it's "Laachi". </nitpick>

 

Eric is right that the control is not absolute. I believe that Dread can hide certain things from Overmind but there would have to be a short break in the control maybe a device that Johnathan Power could create that could bring the human conscience back into play for Dread. It's just like a computer there are two sources of memory you have to shut one down to open up the control of the other one. --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Eric Krastel <ares@...> wrote: From: Eric Krastel <ares@...> Subject: [captainpower] Re: Could Dread work with Jon against Overmind ever? To: captainpower@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:05 AM   TW brings up a good point, but despite the challenge of Dread getting out from under the watchful eye of Overmind I still always saw it as an eventual inevitability. Here's why: Overmind is lying to Dread, and has been doing so from the very beginning. Dread thinks that the goal of Project New Order is to digitize the human race, build a Machine world, and re-instantiate humanity in "perfect metalloid bodies". The reality is that once humanity is entirely digitized Overmind will simply dispose of Dread and then hit the Delete key on mankind. Eventually I suspect Dread would have figured this out, then either joined forces with Power to fight against Overmind or died trying. I guess the question becomes "how could Dread pull it off without Overmind immediately knowing?" I assume that Overmind's surveillance of Dread isn't 100%, else he wouldn't have used Loki to help spy on him. Does that seem reasonable to you all? Or maybe Dread would figure out the plan and then immediately launch into action before Overmind even had a an opportunity to act against him. Thoughts? ./Datan0de

 

TW brings up a good point, but despite the challenge of Dread getting
out from under the watchful eye of Overmind I still always saw it as
an eventual inevitability. Here's why:

Overmind is lying to Dread, and has been doing so from the very
beginning. Dread thinks that the goal of Project New Order is to
digitize the human race, build a Machine world, and re-instantiate
humanity in "perfect metalloid bodies". The reality is that once
humanity is entirely digitized Overmind will simply dispose of Dread
and then hit the Delete key on mankind.

Eventually I suspect Dread would have figured this out, then either
joined forces with Power to fight against Overmind or died trying.

I guess the question becomes "how could Dread pull it off without
Overmind immediately knowing?" I assume that Overmind's surveillance
of Dread isn't 100%, else he wouldn't have used Loki to help spy on
him. Does that seem reasonable to you all? Or maybe Dread would figure
out the plan and then immediately launch into action before Overmind
even had a an opportunity to act against him.

Thoughts?

./Datan0de

 

The only way i could see that happen is if somehow the overmind  and dread link was separated. unlikely but the only possibility due to the overmind knowing what dread is thinking. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, windjammers_one <windjammers@...> wrote: From: windjammers_one <windjammers@...> Subject: [captainpower] Could Dread work with Jon against Overmind ever? To: captainpower@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:14 PM   Serious plot bunny question -- could there be a situation where Dread would actually defy Overmind and work with Jon to save someone or stop something from happening? There was an episode of Angel where Lindsay worked with Angel against Wolfram and Hart to save some kids. I wondered if there could be a situation where Dread could do something like that. I've got a story idea where a situation 'bothers' Dread's conscience but not to the point where he'd try to stop Overmind. Then, the idea went a little further... Windjammers

 

I just finished watching Left Behind World at War. Jessica Steen portays a government agent with a rogue organization. I had to post wanting to know if anyone else has seen this. There were moments, words, even expressions she had that reminded me of Pilot. Of course it helps that it's the same actress LOL. Seriously though, like I said. there were parts of her character in this movie that reminded me of Pilot. Would like to know if anyone else felt the same. :)