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#30 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Sat Jun 4, 2005 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: 2nd Season Design
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>       Well, it may be a bit hard for Jessica since her character's dead.
> Personally, I was a bit against the idea of bringing her back as stated
as
> a possibly digitized idea for the second season.  I think it would
cheapen
> one of the emotional tags of the first season.  (Yes, even though I wrote
a
> story where it turned out Jessica was digitized and later reintegrated
for
> a while... however, it was far better she remained dead... but that's
just
> my version.)  I thought what they did with a "contrivance," i.e. they had
> to do something since Jessica said she'd only do one season.  So, killing
> her off was a viable choice.  But, how they went about it , "leading" the
> viewers on by taking the conscious effort to put so much character into
the
> female character, which almost always, sadly, gets ignored.  Investing so
> much into her, and thus making us like her so much as a character... all
> intending to pull the rug out from underneath us.

David, would you consider putting your FF at the CP site? It sounds like it
would be an interesting read.

>      As for the acting, after watching Captain Power, I started paying
more
> attention when I saw people like Sven and Peter and David showing up in
> more roles here and there.  David was probably my favorite.  Even today,
I
> find the portrayal of Dread frightening to an extent.  (And, in other
> Hemblen roles, does the guy EVER smile?  Even when he tells the "Mega
Pads"
> pun in the outtake real he doesn't crack a smile!  Is he a real
machine?!)

What outtake is this? Is this the so called Gag reel that is alledgedly
floating around?

B

#29 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Oct 4, 1998 9:21 am
Subject: Re: CP
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At 06:16 AM 9/17/98 -0700, you wrote:

>
> >By this I mean, what if they revamp the show to 11 years later.  The war is
> still going and the >resistance is still, well resisting..
>
> >There is a new cast of characters, young, bright, sharp, highly
intelligent,
> etc etc.  Some of  these >new characters would be descendents from the
> original,  ie Captain Power's son,  Major >Matthewsons  son/daughter ?? (it
> could be said they eventually retired and went to Eden II.  CP met >someone
> fell in love, had a family...and the Major caught up with Vie....)
>
>
>       Since the original cast would be too "old," these ideas have merit.
> They can always serve as background or special guest characters called in
for
> tactics, etc.  And, definitely if the war is still going on after 11 years,
> something big happened to New Order.  So, a whole new "sense" could be given
> to it, but retain the underlying history.
>
>
>       One interesting angle might be that the Power Team as we knew it, or
> members of it, were forced to "retire" if Power did become too grim.  The 11
> year angle might help this a tad, sort of 4 distinct factions.  The New
Order
> would still be there.  As would the Resistance.  But, maybe a third arm, led
> by the more determined Power, but at the sacrifice of his promise to his
> father.  Having to fight the war on basically 2 separate fronts could be
seen
> as a viable means of explaining why the tables were more even now.  And,
> there could be conflict amongst the factions of the Resistance, where all or
> some members of the Power Teams as we knew it had to leave Power because
he'd
> become too absorbed and distant from the ends versus the means of fighting
> New Order because of Pilot's death.  And, definitely if Soaron defected,
that
> would be a big blow to New Order enough to turn the tide.
>
>
>      I always had problems with the idea of a turncoat Soaron.  He was made
> by the Overmind, so, surely, he's got purely loyal systems since he is a
> machine and does what he's ordered.  Now, if Scout maybe did some tinkering
> to Soaron (Or restore Mentor in Soaron's systems?) then I'd be more willing
> to accept that.  (But, I'm just one guy, and that's my opinion.)
>
>
> >Dread could be reprised, although David Hemblen seems to be doing well with
> his current role as >Jonathan Doors on Earth Final Conflict.  (I gotta say,
> how ironic that the one that played the enemy >of Jonathan Power is now the
> one fighting back as the good guy against an alien race and also has >the
> name Jonathan, and a hidden base from which to operate ....hmmm..... I
wonder
> if there is any >relation between the two series...think on it..)
>
>
>      I still wonder about this myself.  David Hemblen basically playing a
> "good guy?"  Just doesn't mesh.  So, I've wondered, venturing off topic here
> for a moment, if maybe Doors's agenda isn't exactly that humanitarian...
> maybe it's a tad bit more centristic.  "Honor dies where interest lies."
>
>
> >I am simply someone who enjoyed the series, and had a crush on CP (what
can I
> say I was young, >am female, and he was good looking)  Admit it though you
> 'guys" out there had a crush on >Jennifer!!
>
>

       Not I.  As I said, I'm an Overunit.  I was, GASP, rooting for the
machines!  Not that I didn't like what they did with Pilot as a character, of
course; in fact, I thought it was very good considering how they basically
crushed so many hopes as they did with the facts about heroes and war and how,
in fighting, even the good guys die.  My main fascination was with Dread as a
character.  How, for one of those few times, Dread was just the typical
cardboard villain.  "I am out to take over the world because I'm this show's
heavy and deserve the world for that reason."  Dread was actually a delusional
messianic character, believing what he was doing was only best but
justified by
the will of the machine/god.  "Chapter 4: 'And The Machine Was Given Unto
Man...'"  He was saving man from itself, even if he had to destroy them in the
process.  While it has been done before, of course, it is so rarely often that
such care is placed behind the villains of a conflict, and, thus, Dread became
my favorite character.


      Besides, regurgitating Dread rhetoric, love is an emotion, the enemy of
order.  So, I couldn't have a crush on her.  I is a good Overunit I is.

#28 From: David Minter <dminter@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 1998 9:00 am
Subject: Re: 2nd Season Design
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At 11:18 AM 6/4/05 +0800, you wrote:


>From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@...>

>>       Like just who is Morganna?  Is she Cap-... no, I won't say either...
>> (Well, Larry didn't say either.  [Met him at BotCon 98.  I was probably the
>> only one with CP merchandise for him to autograph: a copy of Continuity's
>> Captain Power comic #1.]  But, his reaction to my question was either
>> carefully construed misrepresentation to get me to jump to the wrong
>> conclusion or I had reached the correct conclusion...)


>Trust Your Instincts. (is all I will say - and yes, I have read Steve
>Gerber's script)


      About the scripts, anyone know just how many "unmade" episode scripts,
either first or second season, there were that were finished?  I've managed
to find only 7, the 5 "Archers" scripts, "The Room," and "The Rose Of
Yesterday."  I know there is at least one other, but I forget the title,
that was unfilmed for season 1.  (Well, 2, as I was not aware that Gerber's
script was available.  My new Holy Grail!)


      I've always wondered which would be better.  (Or, worse, in the
Captain's case.)  If Morganna was as JMS once "hinted" at in a post.  Or,
an idea I had: Athena Samuels.  I mean, the already tortured Captain, after
having to watch his love die helplessly before him, he now has to deal with
"just a friend" re-integrated into the very physical embodiment of
everything he is fighting against.  After all, as we've seen, Dread is
pretty creative with psychological warfare.  "Freedom One" was a
masterstroke.  And, I still would like to hold, somewhat, to the idea that
Eden II is just a myth, with reality's face.  I.E. it's actually the
ultimate in Dread's psychological traps.  That desperate people are lured
into Eden II, all the while the Resistance thinks it is what it says it is.
  But, since no one returns, because they believe no one would want to leave
Shang-ri La, it just serves as the perfect cover for a Dread processing camp.


>BTW, was Larry D surprised to meet a CP fan [I bet he's sick and tired of
>hearnig from me!] - was he there to speak on Beast Wars?


      He's a pretty easy going guy.  Insists on not being called Mr.
DiTillio.  He seemed pleased that people remember his work on the show.  I
asked him to sign the comic, in addition to his name, "Just waiting for
judgment..."  And, he laughed like he "got it."  So, it was probably more
like pleasant surprise.  (I, too, wondered though if he ever got sick of
the guy on alt.toys.transformers talking about Captain Power whenever it
was related.  Which, as you can probably guess, was I.)


      Yes, as one of the head writers on BW, that's why he was at BotCon.
But, during the Q&A panel, "dinner party," and just meeting him on the
floor, etc. he's willing to talk about whatever he's worked on.  During the
voice guest panel at the con, with Susan Blu who was on a show that
DiTillio worked on called "Galaxy High," that was brought up for a while.
(Along with Mega Man since a lot of Transformers related people were on it.
  And, yes, even a CP actor was on it.  Ted "Overmind" Dillon.)

#27 From: JULES5704@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Oct 3, 1998 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: CP
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<< I must admit, I had something of a mad crush on the good Captain
  myself....skinny and rangy as he was.

  B
        >>

You too?  I think I was the only person at my high school who had pictures of
the Captain in my locker!  :)

Jules

#26 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Sat Jun 4, 2005 3:21 am
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I must admit, I had something of a mad crush on the good Captain
myself....skinny and rangy as he was.

B

#25 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Sat Jun 4, 2005 3:18 am
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David..

>       Like just who is Morganna?  Is she Cap-... no, I won't say
either...
> (Well, Larry didn't say either.  [Met him at BotCon 98.  I was probably
the
> only one with CP merchandise for him to autograph: a copy of Continuity's
> Captain Power comic #1.]  But, his reaction to my question was either
> carefully construed misrepresentation to get me to jump to the wrong
> conclusion or I had reached the correct conclusion...)

Trust Your Instincts. (is all I will say - and yes, I have read Steve
Gerber's script)

BTW, was Larry D surprised to meet a CP fan [I bet he's sick and tired of
hearnig from me!] - was he there to speak on Beast Wars?

#24 From: "Pat MacDougall" <dollars@xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Thu Sep 17, 1998 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: CP
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Regards,
                                             Pat MacDougall
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     Date: 17 September 1998 00:04
     Subject: CP


     Hi all,

     Thinking about what some of you have said...

     Since we all know and can accept that the original characters and ambience
wont be there...what if they were to sort of start over.

     By this I mean, what if they revamp the show to 11 years later.  The war is
still going and the resistance is still, well resisting..

     There is a new cast of characters, young, bright, sharp, highly intelligent,
etc etc..
     Some of  these new characters would be descendents from the original,  ie
Captain Power's son,  Major Matthewsons  son/daughter ?? (it could be said they
eventually retired and went to Eden II.  CP met someone fell in love, had a
family...
     and the Major caught up with Vie....)

     Their heirs would have the same drive and care for life as the parents, and
would not be able to sit back and enjoy life in Eden II while the rest of the
world is in fear because of the new and powerful Dread.

     Eden II would have given them the education, skills and materials to
facilitate their
     needs to pick up and restart a new base, with better technologies, supplies
etc to give Dread "a run for his droids.."

     The new show would flash back to show how it all began using the original
series.
     The new cast would have to have the right chemistry to be the offspring of
the Captain and Hawke, with new blood mixed in.  This would leave the new show
open for new blood, new stories and unlimited imagination.

     It could constantly revert back and forth between the new and recollections
of the past.  These would be explained as stories passed on, and used to help
base moral decisions on.

     This would also give us a new Captain Power and Major Matthewson.  Scout
could be resurrected and be like the live Mentor of the group (that is providing
MDW wants to reprise the role... he seems to be doing pretty well where he is) 
TD (if found) could become the "new Mentor"  - scrap the dome and bring him up
as a computer image or better yet a walking talking 3D hologram.  Again that
could be done provided TD wanted to come back.

     By the way anyone know where or what he is doing these days?
     Last I had heard it was mentioned somewhere that he was singing and doing
off broadway type productions??  That is pure Gossip and not based on fact.

     As for Pilot, the series could create a new female role, or... it could be
said that Jessica had a twin sister somewhere and there fore a decendant of this
twin could pick  up the part. (just a thought)

     I would suggest casting new for replacement of Scout and Tank.
     Tank was scared of women, but if in the second season of the original series
there was suppose to be something between Tank and Ranger well then we could go
with the son/daughter thing again...

     Now to the darker side..

     Dread could be reprised, although David Hemblen seems to be doing well with
his current role as Jonathan Doors on Earth Final Conflict.
     (I gotta say, how ironic that the one that played the enemy of Jonathan
Power is now the one fighting back as the good guy against an alien race and
also has the name Jonathan, and a hidden base from which to operate
....hmmm..... I wonder if there is any relation between the two series...think
on it..)

     Anyways at this point I have to run back to the land of reality, but would
love to hear opinions..

     I am enjoying finally getting to hear others thoughts.  You have all put so
much thought into it, I have to admit, begrudgingly, I haven't put as much
thought and work into knowing the CP series as the rest of you.

     I am simply someone who enjoyed the series, and had a crush on CP (what can
I say I was young, am female, and he was good looking)  Admit it though you
'guys" out there had a crush on Jennifer!!

     Back to what I was saying.  I am simply someone who enjoyed the show.  It
was a first of it's kind back in the late 80's and as simple and basic as the
show was, the new age of show and concepts were capturing.   Since I have always
had a great imagination, this show was one that would naturally stay with me
forever.  But in a  very simple and basic way.  I am still a fan regardless and
would like to see a new series arise.  But I will be one tought critic.

     Keep chatting...

     Trish

#23 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Oct 3, 1998 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Casting
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At 07:14 PM 6/3/05 +0800, you wrote:


>From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@...>


>According to LarryD (LDT for short), most of the actors are too old to
>reprise their roles except [according to him] MDW and TD. Since TD has
>vanished off the face of the earth, and MDW well, I haven't seen him but
>I'm sure he's around according to his IMDB file. JS is definitely way too
>old even if they were to write a comeback for CP - unless they set it like
>20 years down the line <It was all a bad dream - they'd ingested some
>mysterious chemical drug courtesy of Lord Dread and woke up in a Machine
>World - back to square one?>


      Hemblen might not be.  After all, the indications were he has his new
body in "The Archers."  So, with the effects as they can be done today,
Dread can be entirely CGI, and Hemblen, whose voice is just as stark as
ever (Go Magneto!), could supply it.


      MDW was in a 96 movie for Sundance, that recently aired on their PPV
network, too.


      Actually, the chemical drug thing has some "terrifying" possibilities
for actually being built off of the old series.  Pilot didn't die at all.
She had drunk some of the water that Tank had in "And Madness Shall Reign."
  And, everything after that episode was a feverished delusion in her head,
as we learn when Bobby steps out of the Power Shower...


>This is actors, writing, story arcs - the SFX of course will probably be
>fantastic [JMS incidentally is quoted as having said that the budget on CP
>was constantly out of hand - the man is a stickler for budgets he is] even
>if its done on the cheap.


      Something like $750K per episode, I believe.


>Oh yes, and some people mooted the idea of putting JMS and GG's names. I
>wonder if JMS would like to be associated with CP anymore - he doesn't seem
>to be that keen on hearing people talk about it - and is pretty begrudging
>about the whole thing [although I believe he does think it is good work
>from him]. And GG isn't associated with B5.Maybe you're thinking Doug
>Netter, who serves as Producer on B5 also worked on CP.


      As I said in another post, I think it was mostly Mattel's insistence
on reversing the decision to keep Laccki destroyed and other inclusions
that Mattel wanted to sell toys that JMS objected with.  He supposedly left
all of kid vid after that.  (The whole BSnP thing over Egon's glasses on
"Real Ghostbusters" probably didn't do anything to help...)  "'Cause we're
livin' with BSnP!  It's fun to play in a non-violent way!"

#22 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Oct 3, 1998 4:42 pm
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At 11:42 PM 6/3/05 +0800, you wrote:


>get a created by credit from the Writer's Guild and I believe Goddard did
>have some kind of skeleton bible to give to JMS that covered the main
>points] and JMS was allowed to run wild with that. If you read some of
>JMS's posts to NGs on his time on CP, he seems to suggest two things: one,
>he was allowed to do a lot of things on CP with relatively little
>interference and two, that Goddard was quite involved at least initially in
>the stories.


      Therein is another dichotomy.  Definitely JMS et al were given a lot
of freedom to work with on the series.  (A character who believes in some
sort of religious themes, the use of "adult language" in advertisements,
basically, to sell to kids, villains that were characters, that sort of
thing.)  But, Mattel was a bit of a pain at least for JMS.  The whole
Laccki thing in particular.


>Anyway, do you really think JMS would go and work on a show that was half
>baked in the embryonic stage? NAH!


       Well, there was "Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors..."


>Short of making JMS executive writer and producer, there's no way he'd come
>back to CP.Anyway, the guy has very, um, fixed ideas about how things
>should run. Larry D might be willing or interested, especially since its
>live action but only if he was given probably a degree of creative control
>- ie: a producer credit possibly or at least, a bigger billing that just
>Story Editor.


       Well, we could always see.  B5 might have given JMS the taste of
freedom to do what he wanted to do, so he might not want to return given
his past experiences with the series.  But, maybe with Mattel gone from it,
who knows?  Not to dismiss any of the other writers at all ("Judgment" is
probably the best, and that one's an LGDT [I gots to add the G. in
Lawrence's name!]) but most of my favorites are the direct JMS handled ones.


>My real concern is what I have read of the second season. Some of the
>stories are a little too, well, on the one hand, cartoonish, but on the
>other hand, it may just be that they are so sophisticated they seem
>impossible to conceive in the CP universe. (I'm thinking the stuff about
>wolf-humans - that kind of thing - very interesting and would be an amazing
>CP ep but I find it hard to conceive within the CP universe)


       Yes.  I, too, cringed at the wolf-human thing.  I didn't think it
would work well at all.


>>       Well, let's ask Morganna first, who never got the chance to try...


>Wouldn't you guys LIKE to know....<And yes, you can read that as I know
>something but I'm not telling :)]


       Like just who is Morganna?  Is she Cap-... no, I won't say either...
(Well, Larry didn't say either.  [Met him at BotCon 98.  I was probably the
only one with CP merchandise for him to autograph: a copy of Continuity's
Captain Power comic #1.]  But, his reaction to my question was either
carefully construed misrepresentation to get me to jump to the wrong
conclusion or I had reached the correct conclusion...)

#21 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 3:42 pm
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>      I think is the underlying element behind the series as acceptable,
> i.e. its dichotomy.  It depends, I suppose, on the chicken or the egg
> principle.  Which came first?  The series credits list the show as
created
> by Gary Goddard and Tony Christopher.  But, was it created after the toys
> were by Mattel or was the idea pitched to Mattel as a toy line to sell
the
> series from so the series had to be produced?  If it was directly created
> by Mattel and the general ideas by Gary et al, then the series will
> probably always suffer from the toy stigma.  That no matter how good the
> writing (And, it is my opinion that it was the writing rather than
anything
> inherent in the concept that made the series as solid as it was.) it
would
> still be a "kids'" show.  Which amazes me, sometimes, why "Beast Wars"
> doesn't suffer the same thing?  Yet, Simon Furman's writing on "The
> Transformers" comic did.  Oh, well.  Venturing into off topic there,
so...

I believe that Goddard was trying to do a 'He Man' when he started up the
series since Mattel also as you all know, produced the He Man toyline.
Starlog suggests that Goddard came up with the concept first when working
on a theme ride or something like that. He probably tried to sell the
concept to Mattel as part of a way of raising the necessary funds to make
the production happen. [since CP was sold in syndication - aka without
network or studio support - and I think GG had to have someone help foot
the bill] So, I think in the issue of chicken or egg first, it would seem
the concept came before the toys, although I think GG wanted to incorporate
from the start the 'inter-active element' - to what degree of course is
speculative.

'Beast Wars' doesn't suffer the same fate because Larry D, like JMS,
believes that adults should enjoy cartoons too! DiTillio is a big stickler
for adult level sci-fi and cartoons and having worked on CP, I think
DiTillio is well versed with how to keep a show well written without
letting the toys get in the way.

>      I guess the question hinges on how much of the series owes to JMS et
> al, how much to Gary Goddard and Tony Christopher, and how much, if any,
to
> Mattel.  Like, who created the whole "holy war" concept behind the bad
> guys?  Surely, a toy company wouldn't go into that much detail, i.e.
> they're toys, bad guys sell, so they're just out to take over the world
and
> replace man with machines.  But, as we saw on the series, and I saw the
> show before ever seeing the toys, the show took the time to actually
> provide a viable reasoning behind the villains: a jihad, for want of a
> better term.  Was it Goddard and Christopher who sat down and said,
"Okay.
> The villains aren't your stereotypical ones.  They believe they are
'...the
> special ones, working for a holy cause.'"  Or, was it JMS, as head story
> editor, and the writers who brainstormed that idea and the images of the
> Third Reich, Metropolis, etc.  It may be a question so steeped in the
past
> that we may never get an answer.

JMS was Executive Story Editor. Its possible that Goddard gave him a
skeleton concept he wanted 'ya know, there are these guys, they fight some
machines, think Empire Strikes Back etc..., and the bad guy, he has these
robots who do his dirty work - You figure out the rest of it' and let JMS
flesh out the details ie: using the Third Reich images and concepts and the
background of the characters. But I think Goddard probably had to have
given him more [I think you have to provide more than a one line idea to
get a created by credit from the Writer's Guild and I believe Goddard did
have some kind of skeleton bible to give to JMS that covered the main
points] and JMS was allowed to run wild with that. If you read some of
JMS's posts to NGs on his time on CP, he seems to suggest two things: one,
he was allowed to do a lot of things on CP with relatively little
interference and two, that Goddard was quite involved at least initially in
the stories.

Anyway, do you really think JMS would go and work on a show that was half
baked in the embryonic stage? NAH!

>      As much as I hate to say it, seeing as how the series definitely
> deserves a second chance, I don't think it will return.  I sure would
LIKE
> to see that, but I think it would be too hard to sell the idea after all
> these years.  (Although Gary's recent words may prove me wrong in future.
> If so, good thing!)  One thing that might work is to try the "Babylon 5"
> angle.  As has been suggested, make the series 1 hour and definitely
focus
> of hard issue driven stories with character involvement.  But, also,
"tack"
> on "from the writers of Babylon 5" if they can and try to get Larry
> DiTillio and maybe a few others from the series back.  JMS "left" "kid
vid"
> after CP for the most part because of Mattel's forcing in characters and
> changing story ideas for the sake of selling toys.  But, maybe, if the
> series was totally removed from its toy origins, he might want to return.
> Even though he'd be involved with "Crusade," who knows?  I'd think "From
> the creator of 'Babylon 5' JMS and B5 writer, Larry DiTillio" added on
> would give the series more clout and viewers just from the B5 hook.
"When

Short of making JMS executive writer and producer, there's no way he'd come
back to CP.Anyway, the guy has very, um, fixed ideas about how things
should run. Larry D might be willing or interested, especially since its
live action but only if he was given probably a degree of creative control
- ie: a producer credit possibly or at least, a bigger billing that just
Story Editor.

My real concern is what I have read of the second season. Some of the
stories are a little too, well, on the one hand, cartoonish, but on the
other hand, it may just be that they are so sophisticated they seem
impossible to conceive in the CP universe. (I'm thinking the stuff about
wolf-humans - that kind of thing - very interesting and would be an amazing
CP ep but I find it hard to conceive within the CP universe)

Oh, and yes, the toy angle. But I somehow don't think Goddard is going to
try that angle again. Something about once bitten, twice shy.

>       Well, let's ask Morganna first, who never got the chance to try...

Wouldn't you guys LIKE to know....<And yes, you can read that as I know
something but I'm not telling :)]

Bernice

#20 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
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According to LarryD (LDT for short), most of the actors are too old to
reprise their roles except [according to him] MDW and TD. Since TD has
vanished off the face of the earth, and MDW well, I haven't seen him but
I'm sure he's around according to his IMDB file. JS is definitely way too
old even if they were to write a comeback for CP - unless they set it like
20 years down the line <It was all a bad dream - they'd ingested some
mysterious chemical drug courtesy of Lord Dread and woke up in a Machine
World - back to square one?>

My own reservations about CP coming back/being remade/telemovie is that it
will simply not be up to expectations. Mine, yours, the fans. Face it guys,
11 years of waiting has us on the one hand, not ever expecting to see it
come to light on our TV screens again one day, but on the other hand,
expecting it to be damnably good if it does.

And I mean damnably GOOD.

This is actors, writing, story arcs - the SFX of course will probably be
fantastic [JMS incidentally is quoted as having said that the budget on CP
was constantly out of hand - the man is a stickler for budgets he is] even
if its done on the cheap.

> There are many other issues that appear when discussing revamping CP.
> There is the (proposed) change to one-hour episodes.  This would require
> major rewriting of the second season scripts.  Would it be better to
> merely start from scratch for the 2nd season?  Also, after such a long
> hiatus, it would be necessary that the first episode be a good general
> intro to the show and also connect the first season to the new revamped
> second season.  Especially if characters and/or actors change, the first
> episode would be a crucial time to catch everyone up to the new state of
> the show.

The one hour episodes thing won't be too much of a big deal. Most likely,
all the scripts were written to be about 25-27 minutes long - standard for
a 1/2 hour program. They would need to be expanded to about say, 50
minutes. Give it back to the writers and tell them to insert additional
scenes or get it re-written to encompass an hour.The stories  probably can
be expanded. For example, there aren't that many stand alone episodes -
most of them are like 3-5 parters - which can either be compressed into two
parters or expanded to meet the shooting requirements.

They already have a two hour intro movie - that will serve for the 'pilot'
I think.
As for the 1st episode, if they produce LDT's script like its written, it
will be SUPERB. A real get in there kick it to the max opening.

Oh yes, and some people mooted the idea of putting JMS and GG's names. I
wonder if JMS would like to be associated with CP anymore - he doesn't seem
to be that keen on hearing people talk about it - and is pretty begrudging
about the whole thing [although I believe he does think it is good work
from him]. And GG isn't associated with B5.Maybe you're thinking Doug
Netter, who serves as Producer on B5 also worked on CP.

#19 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
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At 02:37 AM 10/3/98 -0700, you wrote:


>From: "Tristan Montano" <tommyclyde@...>


>Like most of us, I'm totally for a revival of the CP series.  I
>seriously doubt any of the old cast would jump in to reprise their roles
>(especially Jessica, from what I gather).   But finding new people to
>fill in their shoes would be tough.  You've got to hand it to the
>casting director of the original series - everyone played their roles
>REALLY well. Aside from the brilliant writing,  I think that was one of
>the reasons why we loved the show so much.


       Well, it may be a bit hard for Jessica since her character's dead.
Personally, I was a bit against the idea of bringing her back as stated as
a possibly digitized idea for the second season.  I think it would cheapen
one of the emotional tags of the first season.  (Yes, even though I wrote a
story where it turned out Jessica was digitized and later reintegrated for
a while... however, it was far better she remained dead... but that's just
my version.)  I thought what they did with a "contrivance," i.e. they had
to do something since Jessica said she'd only do one season.  So, killing
her off was a viable choice.  But, how they went about it , "leading" the
viewers on by taking the conscious effort to put so much character into the
female character, which almost always, sadly, gets ignored.  Investing so
much into her, and thus making us like her so much as a character... all
intending to pull the rug out from underneath us.  Even though her death
was noble in that it stopped Dread, for then, at least, there's also more
behind her death.  The underlying theme of war throughout.  That just
because you're the "good guy" and fire the blue lasers doesn't mean you
won't get hit.  Even the good die in war.  And, often times, it is the ones
who least deserve it.  Who Jessica tried to better her life.  How she
deserved a chance with Power, and Power with her if he'd only been more
open to himself, less like the machines he fought.  Many viewed her death
as the biggest mistake made on the series.  But, I thought it was a
powerful, moving testament to how "real" the show was.  Through stark
example, why we shouldn't fight not just that we shouldn't fight.


      As for the acting, after watching Captain Power, I started paying more
attention when I saw people like Sven and Peter and David showing up in
more roles here and there.  David was probably my favorite.  Even today, I
find the portrayal of Dread frightening to an extent.  (And, in other
Hemblen roles, does the guy EVER smile?  Even when he tells the "Mega Pads"
pun in the outtake real he doesn't crack a smile!  Is he a real machine?!)
Also, for me, a testament to Hemblen's portrayal as Dread was that, for 90%
of his on screen time, all he had to act with was his voice, and the side
of his face.  Occasionally, an arm or a walk.  But, more often than not in
the early parts of the series, puppet arms were used for Dread close ups.
("The Ferryman" is the prime example.)


>I was wondering about how they would start out the new series, seeing
>that it has its roots in a show that's been dead for 11 years now.
>They'd have to start from the beginning, I think, so as to smoothen
>things out better.  Expensive, but it would be less confusing.  As to
>how to bring in new audiences, attaching JMS's and GG's names as
>creators of B5 is a good idea.  Has anyone thought about a CP movie?
>I always thought a CP movie would be a totally awsome comeback, don't
>you??


      Something I thought might work with the current trends in more
mainstream "adult" entertainment animation might be to try for a prime time
animated version, or even general release movie.  The actors can then lend
their voices if they wish to return to the series (David Hemblen's been
almost strictly animation for the past few years now.) without any sort of
loss due to age on the continuity of the series looks.  And, there was some
animation done for the series as we already know, used for the toy target
tapes.  And, while the target tapes were lacking in plot for obvious
reasons, the animation was spot on.  (The armies of Soarons is almost
frightening to contemplate if Soaron was as much trouble as he was on the
series...)

#18 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Oct 3, 1998 11:52 am
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At 06:44 PM 6/3/05 +0800, you wrote:


>Or ever think it was odd how Power had to divorce himself to much from how
>he felt when he was busy do-gooding that it would almost seem as though he
>was as automaton as the best of the Bio-Dredds? Heck, on a good day, even
>Blastarr had more personality than Power [something tells me JMS had a
>field day with Blastarr]


       I think was a sort of conscious effort.  It's oh so easy to
concentrate on the heroes so much since, well, for the most part, they're
"da heroes."  The temptation write them as perfect do-gooders, never make a
mistake, etc.  And, definitely if by the second season the decision to turn
Power into a vigilante type character would be more alone those lines.
"The trouble with fighting monsters is that you have to be wary that you do
not become one yourself in the process.  For, when you stare into the
abyss, the abyss stares back into you."  (And, in this abyss, we will find
a remnant of the U.S. Army waiting for active orders from the President...)


      Blastaar was often times used for effective comic relief.  One of his
shining moments I'll remember is in "The Eden Road" where he's target
practicing and one of his fingers becomes so jammed that he has to pop it
off, shake it clean, then reattach it.  One of the things that adhered me
to the series was how much character, often times even more so was put in
them than the heroes, was put into the villains.   Another interesting
villain interaction was between Blastaar and Soaron and their almost
prodigal sons dichotomy.  Soaron was made by the Overmind where as Blastaar
was more of Dread's pet project, and seems to take more "care" and "pride"
in Blastaar.  Yet, even though he was created by Overmind and had the
"something in his programming that he did not understand" to kill Dread,
apparently, later on, how fiercely loyal and concerned Soaron was for
Dread.  His reaction to Volcania's explosion in "A Summoning Of Thunder
Part 2."  His willingness to, as it turned out futilely, sacrifice himself
to save Volcania.   (He regenerated awfully fast for "Retribution Part 1,"
didn't he?)


>Oh, well, I must have got the US edition then. What re-writes are you
>talking about? Spill it organik - where'd you get this info from? Actually,
>its interesting that you mentioned the regroup at the Passages since this
>is where DiTillio's second season script 'Vendetta' picks up from (whereas
>Retribution 2 doesn't go beyond the 'forest with mist' regroup scene where
>they unpack the bag on the Sky Bike - maybe they'd shot a bit more of that
>into it as a kind of teaser with the hope that if the telemovie did well,
>they would string on for a second season.


       Well, it's not really a rewrite.  It's just the last scene of
"Retribution Part 2" was a bit longer as originally filmed.  Having seen
the U.S. "Retribution Part 2" and the "The Legend Begins..." movie close to
each other (I reviewed them before posting my e-mail for completeness's
sake.)  I noticed there's about 30 extra seconds in the movie before the
Pilot montage.  In it, Power and Hawk walk away from the Sky Bike, and Hawk
asks what they're going to do now.  Power says to regroup back at the
Passages.  In "Retribution Part 2," we see Power and Hawk walk away from
the Sky Bike then immediately fade out cut to a different Pilot montage.
Having gotten the YTV 1996 airings of a few of the episodes, there are some
extra bits, but only fight scenes and model work.  Nothing major.  Mostly
expository edits.


>Hmm - bloody ballet classes were what kept me from rewinding the tapes and
>watching it over and over again. Used to be on at about 7.30pm here in
>Malaysia [right after school] before they switched it over to I think it
>was around 4pm on Saturdays. Its odd - it seems to me like CP is one of the
>earliest shows where fans exhibit abnormally obsessive compulsive behavior
>don't cha think?


       Well, I think abnormally obsessive compulsive behavior is normal
around something that has substance.   And, deep down, you hold this fear
that because it deserves to stick around and survive, you know that it most
likely won't for that reason, i.e. it deserves it so won't likely get it.
(Babylon 5's initial renewal and subsequent fandom take off floored me, but
I'm glad it got what it deserved.)

#17 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 10:44 am
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>      Yeah, I'm an Overunit.  I've been indoctrinated.  There are two
sides
> to every coin.  (Like, maybe it's just me, but I've often wondered if
Power
> et al ever felt odd that they were fighting against machine dominance...
> with machines?)

Or ever think it was odd how Power had to divorce himself to much from how
he felt when he was busy do-gooding that it would almost seem as though he
was as automaton as the best of the Bio-Dredds? Heck, on a good day, even
Blastarr had more personality than Power [something tells me JMS had a
field day with Blastarr]

Urk - what am I doing <SHOOT HIM!>

>       Many also say it was a 1989 series because the 2 hour teleplay was
> copyrighted 1987, 1989 in the end credits.  I still wonder why Soaron's
> lines were completely redubbed.  I'm glad they got rid of the target
> lights, for the most part, but why rewrite, let alone get an entirely
> different actor, for the lines?  But, there is about 2 minutes of footage
> not in the U.S. editions (Assumed teleplay was Canadian mostly because
> that's where I taped it from, YTV.)  The only really noticeable one being
> the small extension at the end of "Retribution Part 2" with Jon and Hawk
> talking about to regroup at the Passages just before the Pilot montage at
> the end.  The rest of the "footage" is just extra model work.  Who knows?

Oh, well, I must have got the US edition then. What re-writes are you
talking about? Spill it organik - where'd you get this info from? Actually,
its interesting that you mentioned the regroup at the Passages since this
is where DiTillio's second season script 'Vendetta' picks up from (whereas
Retribution 2 doesn't go beyond the 'forest with mist' regroup scene where
they unpack the bag on the Sky Bike - maybe they'd shot a bit more of that
into it as a kind of teaser with the hope that if the telemovie did well,
they would string on for a second season.

>      The copyright dates at the end of each episode are "@1987 Captain
> Power Productions, Inc."  And, David C. Stager's episode guide lists the
> date of "Shattered" as the week of September 19th, 1987.  (My faux paus
> there.)  Also, as a testament to Captain Power, this is how good it was:
it
> was the only thing that could tear this then 13 year old from "The Legend
> Of Zelda," which I got new in 1987.  (I didn't even care if I'd saved my
> game yet.  When 3:55 PM rolled around on Saturdays, the game went off,
> regardless, for Captain Power!)

Hmm - bloody ballet classes were what kept me from rewinding the tapes and
watching it over and over again. Used to be on at about 7.30pm here in
Malaysia [right after school] before they switched it over to I think it
was around 4pm on Saturdays. Its odd - it seems to me like CP is one of the
earliest shows where fans exhibit abnormally obsessive compulsive behavior
don't cha think?

>      Well, no, but it's a good idea.  I offer a few little "nitpicking"
> pieces to start off with.  The first about "Fire In The Dark."  I find it
> interesting that February, 1987 saw a Transformers two parter called "The
> Return Of Optimus Prime" co-written by Marv Wolfman, featuring a woman
> named Jessica Morgan injured in a robot battle.  Then, in the next
"season"
> year, Captain Power has "Fire In The Dark" written by Marv Wolfman
> featuring a Jessica Morgan injured by a robot.  And, Marv Wolfman's
> daughter just happens to be named Jessica Morgan Wolfman... Hmmmmm...

Recycling ideas is what being a writer is partly about. :)
Trust me - thinking up of names for characters is like going on the Quest
for the  Holy Grail - its a nightmare.

>      The second is more of a related interest note.  But, Gary Goddard (I
> assume it's the same one.) directed the Masters Of The Universe life
action
> movie.  Now, I may be working too much into the interpretation,
definitely
> if it isn't the same Gary Goddard, but the symbol on Man At Arms' helmet
> looks strangely like the Power Badge to me... and, that the movie came
out
> in 1987, and that Larry DiTillio and JMS, both powerhouses of CP, wrote
for
> both the He-Man and She-Ra cartoons... 'tis a small world, isn't it?

Goddard did direct Masters of the Universe. It was a kind of pet project of
his. IMHO however, the cartoon was infinitely better.

Bernice

#16 From: "Tristan Montano" <tommyclyde@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Oct 3, 1998 2:37 am
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Howdy y'all!

Just thought I'd drop in and add to the fun!

Like most of us, I'm totally for a revival of the CP series.  I
seriously doubt any of the old cast would jump in to reprise their roles
(especially Jessica, from what I gather).   But finding new people to
fill in their shoes would be tough.  You've got to hand it to the
casting director of the original series - everyone played their roles
REALLY well. Aside from the brilliant writing,  I think that was one of
the reasons why we loved the show so much.

I was wondering about how they would start out the new series, seeing
that it has its roots in a show that's been dead for 11 years now.
They'd have to start from the beginning, I think, so as to smoothen
things out better.  Expensive, but it would be less confusing.  As to
how to bring in new audiences, attaching JMS's and GG's names as
creators of B5 is a good idea.  Has anyone thought about a CP movie?
I always thought a CP movie would be a totally awsome comeback, don't
you??

Anyway, I'm rambling.  Gotta get back from Nevernever Land!

-Tristan

#15 From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Fri Oct 2, 1998 11:32 pm
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Good point about the casting issue, Trish.

First of all, even if the show were to be revamped and returned for a
second season, we have to admit that the characters just won't be the
same no matter what.  Even if a number of the original cast returned
they would still be that much older and the chemistry would be
different.

How should the new show be cast?  Should every attempt be made to resign
the original cast members, or should the goal be to start anew?  If some
of the original cast is available should they reprise their roles and
new actors be chosen for the other characters?  Or, if only some of the
actors return should the other characters be written out and new
characters written for the new actors?

There are many other issues that appear when discussing revamping CP.
There is the (proposed) change to one-hour episodes.  This would require
major rewriting of the second season scripts.  Would it be better to
merely start from scratch for the 2nd season?  Also, after such a long
hiatus, it would be necessary that the first episode be a good general
intro to the show and also connect the first season to the new revamped
second season.  Especially if characters and/or actors change, the first
episode would be a crucial time to catch everyone up to the new state of
the show.

Anyway, there are a lot of issues to be solved before CP again sees the
light of day.

~N

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night...through eel infested waters."  Vicini, The Princess Bride

#14 From: "Pat MacDougall" <dollars@xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Wed Sep 16, 1998 2:03 pm
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Hi Nathan, et al

Short but sweet, I totally agree with you in regards to ressurrecting the
series.

It should be adult orientated, an Earth Final Conflict type approach would
be an excellent format.

It should definitely be an hour.  1/2 hour was never long enough.

Skip the toys, but create the videos, including outtakes.

Casting however, has to be done very carefully, since the original
characters may not/will not be doing the series (obviously).  It will be
hard for fans to sit down and watch a new series with different people
playing the characters we love so much.  Kinda like soap operas when the
recast a favorite character, it can make or break the role/show.

I would hate to see them bring back a new CP and cast it badly and then lose
the series again, that would be heartbreaking, and we all know a 3rd attempt
would never happen.

However, with good casting, and the unlimited availability of special FX and
the use of computers, etc.  the show should be absolutely awesome....could
you imagine... the possibilities and storylines are endless!! :)

Anyways, for now, that's my two cents worth, and I totally agree with you.


10+ years is definitely too long.

Trish



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Date: 01 October 1998 10:20
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>From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@...>
>
>
>There was mention (must have been in one of the articles on Bernice's
>page) that for new CP episodes the 'Captain Power' bit should be dropped
>from the title.  The point here would be that 'Soldiers of the Future'
>sounds a bit more adult, more mature, yet still maintains 1) the nature
>of the characters and 2) the appeal of the show to younger age groups.
>Perhaps it isn't quite as flashy as "Captain Power & TSOTF, but it is
>still accurate and may help change the show's image if a second season
>were to be produced.
>
>While on the topic of the show's image and its future, I thought perhaps
>what is needed to make captain power more desireable to sponsors is an
>entire revamping of the show into the adult market.  First season CP
>looked like a kids show but had the depth of an adult show.  Hour-long
>adult science fiction has certainly been popular in recent years with
>the recent star trek series Deep Space Nine & Voyager as well as Babylon
>5, Stargate SG-1, Seaquest, and Earth: Final Contact.
>
>Most of the problems surrounding the original Captain Power series only
>came up because the show was targeted at children audiences.  By
>becoming an emotionally charged SciFi/action/drama per its potential, CP
>could avoid the contreversy it generated during first season.  Also,
>with a more serious sponsor (someone not sponsoring the show to sell
>toys) behind the wheel, much more emphasis could be placed on the plot
>issues to be explored, and the chance of funding being cut because of
>low toy sales would also not be a problem.
>
>Well, that's just me trying to find solutions for my favorite problem.
>What does everyone think?
>
>10+ years is just too long to go without new Captain Power...
>
>~Nathan
>
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#13 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
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At 02:47 PM 6/2/05 +0800, you wrote:


From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@...>


>5, Stargate SG-1, Seaquest, and Earth: Final Contact.


      Anyone else who caught "Earth: Final Conflict" only because David
Hemblen was in it and stuck around because it was good regardless if he was
in it or not?  I only tuned in to see Hemblen back again, and I found
myself pleasantly surprised.


>Most of the problems surrounding the original Captain Power series only
>came up because the show was targeted at children audiences.  By becoming
an >emotionally charged SciFi/action/drama per its potential, CP could
avoid the >contreversy it generated during first season.  Also, with a more
serious >sponsor (someone not sponsoring the show to sell toys) behind the
wheel, much >more emphasis could be placed on the plot issues to be
explored, and the chance >of funding being cut because of low toy sales
would also not be a problem.


      I think is the underlying element behind the series as acceptable,
i.e. its dichotomy.  It depends, I suppose, on the chicken or the egg
principle.  Which came first?  The series credits list the show as created
by Gary Goddard and Tony Christopher.  But, was it created after the toys
were by Mattel or was the idea pitched to Mattel as a toy line to sell the
series from so the series had to be produced?  If it was directly created
by Mattel and the general ideas by Gary et al, then the series will
probably always suffer from the toy stigma.  That no matter how good the
writing (And, it is my opinion that it was the writing rather than anything
inherent in the concept that made the series as solid as it was.) it would
still be a "kids'" show.  Which amazes me, sometimes, why "Beast Wars"
doesn't suffer the same thing?  Yet, Simon Furman's writing on "The
Transformers" comic did.  Oh, well.  Venturing into off topic there, so...


      I guess the question hinges on how much of the series owes to JMS et
al, how much to Gary Goddard and Tony Christopher, and how much, if any, to
Mattel.  Like, who created the whole "holy war" concept behind the bad
guys?  Surely, a toy company wouldn't go into that much detail, i.e.
they're toys, bad guys sell, so they're just out to take over the world and
replace man with machines.  But, as we saw on the series, and I saw the
show before ever seeing the toys, the show took the time to actually
provide a viable reasoning behind the villains: a jihad, for want of a
better term.  Was it Goddard and Christopher who sat down and said, "Okay.
The villains aren't your stereotypical ones.  They believe they are '...the
special ones, working for a holy cause.'"  Or, was it JMS, as head story
editor, and the writers who brainstormed that idea and the images of the
Third Reich, Metropolis, etc.  It may be a question so steeped in the past
that we may never get an answer.


      As much as I hate to say it, seeing as how the series definitely
deserves a second chance, I don't think it will return.  I sure would LIKE
to see that, but I think it would be too hard to sell the idea after all
these years.  (Although Gary's recent words may prove me wrong in future.
If so, good thing!)  One thing that might work is to try the "Babylon 5"
angle.  As has been suggested, make the series 1 hour and definitely focus
of hard issue driven stories with character involvement.  But, also, "tack"
on "from the writers of Babylon 5" if they can and try to get Larry
DiTillio and maybe a few others from the series back.  JMS "left" "kid vid"
after CP for the most part because of Mattel's forcing in characters and
changing story ideas for the sake of selling toys.  But, maybe, if the
series was totally removed from its toy origins, he might want to return.
Even though he'd be involved with "Crusade," who knows?  I'd think "From
the creator of 'Babylon 5' JMS and B5 writer, Larry DiTillio" added on
would give the series more clout and viewers just from the B5 hook.  "When
I escaped from Babylon 5..."  And, if worse came to worst, using a Beast
Wars angle might get children to it.  Do sort of like with Doctor Who,
where both children and adults got into the series.


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       Well, let's ask Morganna first, who never got the chance to try...

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Date: Fri Oct 2, 1998 4:13 pm
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>David, Shame on you! Of course the will of the machine must be denied - we
want a >second season remember?


      Ah, but if the machines rule, surely we'd get it.  After all, that
would be perfect Dread propaganda.  "See how the weakness of the flesh
failed against the will of the machine?!"  Of course, only those within the
light of the divine will would be around to experience it, but, surely,
such a small price to pay...


      Yeah, I'm an Overunit.  I've been indoctrinated.  There are two sides
to every coin.  (Like, maybe it's just me, but I've often wondered if Power
et al ever felt odd that they were fighting against machine dominance...
with machines?)


>>This is the 11th anniversary, actually.  (Week of September 20th, 1987.
>>Syndicated, so dates varied.)  But, that's just for "The Nitpickers'
>>Guide To 'Captain Power And The Soldiers Of The Future.'"  It's still a
>>nice light to see that after all this time people still remember, enjoy,
>>view, and talk about the Captain!  (Boo!  Hiss!  The will of the machine
>>will NOT be denied!)   "Digi-digi-digitize!" until it's 2199!


>Thank you for pointing out that little boo-boo. [hey, even the folks at
>Landmark made the same mistake - I think - lemme go check this info.]


       Many also say it was a 1989 series because the 2 hour teleplay was
copyrighted 1987, 1989 in the end credits.  I still wonder why Soaron's
lines were completely redubbed.  I'm glad they got rid of the target
lights, for the most part, but why rewrite, let alone get an entirely
different actor, for the lines?  But, there is about 2 minutes of footage
not in the U.S. editions (Assumed teleplay was Canadian mostly because
that's where I taped it from, YTV.)  The only really noticeable one being
the small extension at the end of "Retribution Part 2" with Jon and Hawk
talking about to regroup at the Passages just before the Pilot montage at
the end.  The rest of the "footage" is just extra model work.  Who knows?


      The copyright dates at the end of each episode are "@1987 Captain
Power Productions, Inc."  And, David C. Stager's episode guide lists the
date of "Shattered" as the week of September 19th, 1987.  (My faux paus
there.)  Also, as a testament to Captain Power, this is how good it was: it
was the only thing that could tear this then 13 year old from "The Legend
Of Zelda," which I got new in 1987.  (I didn't even care if I'd saved my
game yet.  When 3:55 PM rolled around on Saturdays, the game went off,
regardless, for Captain Power!)


      But, enough nitpicking!  Speaking of which...


>Nitpickers Guide to Captain Power - is that supposed to be a hint to me as
>to what to put all my space on the website to?


      Well, no, but it's a good idea.  I offer a few little "nitpicking"
pieces to start off with.  The first about "Fire In The Dark."  I find it
interesting that February, 1987 saw a Transformers two parter called "The
Return Of Optimus Prime" co-written by Marv Wolfman, featuring a woman
named Jessica Morgan injured in a robot battle.  Then, in the next "season"
year, Captain Power has "Fire In The Dark" written by Marv Wolfman
featuring a Jessica Morgan injured by a robot.  And, Marv Wolfman's
daughter just happens to be named Jessica Morgan Wolfman... Hmmmmm...


      The second is more of a related interest note.  But, Gary Goddard (I
assume it's the same one.) directed the Masters Of The Universe life action
movie.  Now, I may be working too much into the interpretation, definitely
if it isn't the same Gary Goddard, but the symbol on Man At Arms' helmet
looks strangely like the Power Badge to me... and, that the movie came out
in 1987, and that Larry DiTillio and JMS, both powerhouses of CP, wrote for
both the He-Man and She-Ra cartoons... 'tis a small world, isn't it?


      Third, I do believe that it was Neil Patrick "Doogie Howser" Harris in
the commercial for the Power Jet.


      Lastly, one little thing that always leapt out at me and smacked me
around a few times about "Retribution Part 2."  When Scout detects the Sky
Bike signal after Pilot sets it off with the backup of Mentor and the extra
Power Suits, notice his screen when he detects it.  While the Sky Bike on
the screen is right side up... the overlay graphic around it is... upside
down?  The words "LINK" and "ARMS" are clearly written upside down on the
screen and at the top of it rather than at the bottom...


>Resistance is NOT futile - Tell that to Morganna...


      Imagine a sort of alternate 2147 where the Borg arrive on Earth:


           Locutus: "Resistance is futile!  Wait a minute... where are the
carbon based units?!"


           Overunit : "We're all in here!"  <Clangs a metal fist to its chest.>


           Locutus: "BUGGER!"  <Cube flies away>

#11 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Thu Jun 2, 2005 6:47 am
Subject: Gary Goddard and the Gossip
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As you all know, Gary Goddard dropped by the website some time ago and let
his e mail address there. I suspect since then he has been besieged with
e-mail from fans wanting to know what is going on.

Trish sent me a copy of her e mail that she posted to GG, together with his
reply. I just thought that people might be interested in what GG has to say
- especially about NEW CP episodes...[now, DON'T get excited yet....]

GG's Reply:
Dear Trish,  Thanks for your recent eMail. Needless to say I am gratified
to see the response to Captain Power - fans are the most important thing in
getting a new show on the air again, and yes, we HAVE been working on that.
   The landscape for television has changed dramatically since we first
created Captain Power, but we have some support from a number of countried
where the show was a major hit when it first aired.  We are working now on
trying to put together an international group of broacasters to assist us
in getting the new shows made.  We can't begin producing until we have
outlets that will air it.  All the cast has done well -- I am happy to see
them as they move ahead in the careers as well.  With regard to the Videos,
we are preparing to offer them for sale in a 10th anniversary package - so
I am sure you will be able to get every episode you are missing.  Look for
our new website in the next few weeks or so - we will have all the
information there.  And yes, there IS an outtake reel somewhere -- we'll
try to locate that as well.  Thanks for your interest, faith and support
for Captain Power, we really appreciate it!   Gary Goddard

I'll post to the mailing list the moment the Landmark site goes up.
Now people, let's get this list REALLY going...

--------
Bernice Low
Captain Power Website
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213

#10 From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Thu Oct 1, 1998 1:19 pm
Subject: 2nd Season Design
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There was mention (must have been in one of the articles on Bernice's
page) that for new CP episodes the 'Captain Power' bit should be dropped
from the title.  The point here would be that 'Soldiers of the Future'
sounds a bit more adult, more mature, yet still maintains 1) the nature
of the characters and 2) the appeal of the show to younger age groups.
Perhaps it isn't quite as flashy as "Captain Power & TSOTF, but it is
still accurate and may help change the show's image if a second season
were to be produced.

While on the topic of the show's image and its future, I thought perhaps
what is needed to make captain power more desireable to sponsors is an
entire revamping of the show into the adult market.  First season CP
looked like a kids show but had the depth of an adult show.  Hour-long
adult science fiction has certainly been popular in recent years with
the recent star trek series Deep Space Nine & Voyager as well as Babylon
5, Stargate SG-1, Seaquest, and Earth: Final Contact.

Most of the problems surrounding the original Captain Power series only
came up because the show was targeted at children audiences.  By
becoming an emotionally charged SciFi/action/drama per its potential, CP
could avoid the contreversy it generated during first season.  Also,
with a more serious sponsor (someone not sponsoring the show to sell
toys) behind the wheel, much more emphasis could be placed on the plot
issues to be explored, and the chance of funding being cut because of
low toy sales would also not be a problem.

Well, that's just me trying to find solutions for my favorite problem.
What does everyone think?

10+ years is just too long to go without new Captain Power...

~Nathan

#9 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: 10th anniversary?
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David,

Shame on you! Of course the will of the machine must be denied - we want a
second season remember?

>       This is the 11th anniversary, actually.  (Week of September 20th,
> 1987.  Syndicated, so dates varied.)  But, that's just for "The
Nitpickers'
> Guide To 'Captain Power And The Soldiers Of The Future.'"  It's still a
> nice light to see that after all this time people still remember, enjoy,
> view, and talk about the Captain!  (Boo!  Hiss!  The will of the machine
> will NOT be denied!)   "Digi-digi-digitize!" until it's 2199!

Thank you for pointing out that little boo-boo. [hey, even the folks at
Landmark made the same mistake - I think - lemme go check this info.]

Nitpickers Guide to Captain Power - is that supposed to be a hint to me as
to what to put all my space on the website to?

Resistance is NOT futile - Tell that to Morganna...

Bernice

#8 From: David Minter <dminter@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Thu Oct 1, 1998 4:02 pm
Subject: 10th anniversary?
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This is the 11th anniversary, actually.  (Week of September 20th,
1987.  Syndicated, so dates varied.)  But, that's just for "The Nitpickers'
Guide To 'Captain Power And The Soldiers Of The Future.'"  It's still a
nice light to see that after all this time people still remember, enjoy,
view, and talk about the Captain!  (Boo!  Hiss!  The will of the machine
will NOT be denied!)   "Digi-digi-digitize!" until it's 2199!

#7 From: <ami@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Sep 26, 1998 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1
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HI
I am here too.  Just letting it have a little more time.

#6 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Fri May 27, 2005 4:43 pm
Subject: Season two details
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Folks, hopefully, this will give you all something to talk about on the
list! I'm hoping that more people will sign on in the next couple of days
and we can really get it going.

My apologies if this information is repeated to you in e mail. But on with
the news!

Here is the URL for the information on the second season

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213/seasontwo.html

Some of the material is stuff that has been there for a while - like Larry
DiTillio's e interview about the second season and the summary of the
starlog article from the FAQ page. But, I promise you a few of the spoilers
are and have not been revealed. Also, I've managed to put together an
episode guide of HALF of the second season that would have been including a
few plot summaries.

Oh yes,  the 10th Anniversary of CP [it has been that long!] is this week -
I would really appreciate any suggestions or thoughts about how the website
can well, get round to celebrating this anniversary, and anything you'd
like to see more of on the site. I am all open to suggestions please.

--------
Bernice Low
Captain Power Website
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213

#5 From: "Tristan Montano" <tommyclyde@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Fri Sep 25, 1998 7:04 am
Subject: Re: There's Someone Else Here!
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Hola all!

Tristan here.  I'm in the list too so don't worry!  Let's just give it a
little more time.

#4 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Wed May 25, 2005 3:55 pm
Subject: Quiet - too quiet?
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Responding to Nathan's concern that the list is too quiet. Give people  a
little time to sign on. Because this mailing list requires logging onto the
net and going to a website, its a little harder than just sending a
subscribe message.

Feel free to start a topic Nathan - maybe that's what people are waiting
for. And for those of you wondering, yes, I am gonna spring the 2nd season
stuff soon - I'm just waiting on a couple of confirmatory letters,
particularly one from Gary Goddard himself, before saying anything.

--------
Bernice Low
Captain Power Website
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213

#3 From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 1998 11:50 am
Subject: anyone here?
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Just beginning to wonder if anyone else has joined this list yet...

It's quiet...a little *too* quiet...

~N

#2 From: "Nathan Todd" <tenman3@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Sep 20, 1998 7:26 pm
Subject: cp...list
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howdy, everyone!
(not really sure how many ppl 'everyone' includes yet, but oh well)

My name is Nathan, I was involved a bit with the old list and just
wanted to see who all is currently subscribed.  Looking forward to a
whole lotta fun ;)

~N

#1 From: "Bernice Low" <drteong@xx.xxxxxx.xxx
Date: Fri May 20, 2005 2:50 pm
Subject: Test message
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Testing one two three

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Bernice Low
Captain Power Website
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6213

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